Post by Beverly on Oct 30, 2007 21:57:06 GMT -5
spies4Beverly (6:28:58 PM): Hey Johan!
spies4Beverly (6:29:05 PM): I wanted to say thank you for not blindsidingme.
spies4Johan (6:29:09 PM): Greetings, Bev
spies4Beverly (6:29:13 PM): It should be a close one.
spies4Beverly (6:29:25 PM): Assuming your voting for me it looks 8-8
spies4Johan (6:29:32 PM): I thank you also for being understanding... It would not be right to hide my vote until the end, of course
spies4Beverly (6:29:39 PM): That's fine.
spies4Beverly (6:29:54 PM): I don't understand why keeping Naomi is more beneficial, but you have your reasons I suppose.
spies4Johan (6:31:08 PM): Yes, trust me, I very much want Naomi gone, I think she is too a spy... It was very tough decision, but, your story to me sounds too convenient and 'right' for this situation... if you're telling the truth, I hope there are no hard feelings, yes? I want to take trust, but this is a hard game in which to do so
spies4Beverly (6:31:20 PM): Absolutely.
spies4Beverly (6:31:24 PM): Can I at least give it a go?
spies4Beverly (6:31:28 PM): I don't want to not try.
spies4Beverly (6:31:43 PM): Because it is a tie right now and I really don't want to use the tiebreaker.
spies4Beverly (6:32:13 PM): Hello?
spies4Johan (6:33:07 PM): Sorry, I still have guests from my mother country, I understand this, I am open to anything you wish to say
spies4Beverly (6:33:12 PM): Ok.
spies4Beverly (6:35:43 PM): You say you think Naomi and I are both spies. Yes? So consider this. When you vote for someone you have to consider "What happens if they are a citizen". If you were given the choice to eliminate Naomi or Me, and were told that we were both confirmed citizens, who would be more valuable to the Burg? I'd hope you say me. I know how to play this game and I already have loads of information I've saved up as Beverly. I do intent to release my theories before the next imprisonment (if I survive exile I think I'll be imprisonment target #1) so that it can get out. Naomi is going to go invisible and you know it! She's so confident she's safe she isn't even on. See how fast she jumped on the "Vote Bev" wagon when Candy posted? I know you suspect her, so I'm not going to tell you why she's suspicious. She's a spy.
spies4Beverly (6:36:51 PM): I'm telling you I'm a citizen who was given a role to challenge me because I have experience in this. I'm a good citizen and I haven't been given much time at all to show who I am and all I'm asking is at least keep me so I can show what I'm worth. If for whatever reason I survive imprisonment, you can exile me if you feel I haven't been helpful at all (or if there just aren't any more suspects). I love this game and I want to try show that I can be helpful.
spies4Beverly (6:37:04 PM): That's all I have to say. I can tell you love mafia, and from one mafia-lover to another, please keep me.
spies4Beverly (6:38:07 PM): If you have any questions let me know and I'll glady answer them. I just wish I had some kind of role inheritted to bargain that I'd be useful to keep around. All I can rally bargain with is that I'm a good player and I've led the citizens to victory before.
spies4Johan (6:39:29 PM): Okay, all of this seems as sound plan, but... I am curious of a few things... trivial questions perhaps, but necessary. Is there anybody in this game that you do trust??
spies4Beverly (6:39:31 PM): You and I both know Naomi isn't going to help.
spies4Beverly (6:39:38 PM): Yes.
spies4Beverly (6:39:40 PM): Gordy and Cain. Fully.
spies4Beverly (6:39:43 PM): Faizah aswell.
spies4Beverly (6:39:47 PM): and Zander.
spies4Beverly (6:40:01 PM): People I don't trust but I'm pretty sure are citizens: Madison and Candy.
spies4Johan (6:40:15 PM): Fully? Then why would you have not told any of them of this role? It is of little threat to spies, and yet you spoke of it to nobody throughout the entire game?
spies4Beverly (6:40:51 PM): I didn't tell anyone because the fact that nobody even game up and said I INVESTIGATED BEVERLY was so strange to me. I figured they were eliminated before they had the chance/felt the time was right.
spies4Beverly (6:42:12 PM): I was glad because that meant I didn't have to drop my dumb act.
spies4Johan (6:42:12 PM): Yes, but wouldn't it have been a risk for one of your close friends to have possibly gained an investigation unbeknowst to you via prizes or a role? By telling them beforehand, at least one of them, you would have saved yourself much of this by creating someone to vouch for you. You are, of course, very smart, I would think that you would ponder this
spies4Beverly (6:42:29 PM): No, because I already knew I was investigated.
spies4Beverly (6:42:39 PM): So any other investigations on me would have saiid I was a citizen.
spies4Beverly (6:43:19 PM): I didn't trust these people fully either until after Jeremiah's exile (where I was then told I inheritted no role).
spies4Beverly (6:43:27 PM): With no role I had no reason to tell them about this role.
spies4Beverly (6:43:59 PM): "By the way, if you investigated me a few rounds ago I was a spy! I could have inheritted a role but I didn't. Just letting you know!" It would have been pointless.
spies4Johan (6:45:34 PM): Perhaps, and yet what if one of them had investigated you? Would you not be panicking if you knew that someone had investigated you and it had turned up spy for them even though you were truly a citizen? If I were in your shoes I would have been very subtly trying to reassure everyone close to me that I was a citizen, even at the length of telling those I trust of the role. Someone could have been preparing to blindside you the entire time
spies4Beverly (6:46:21 PM): That was obviously in my mind. "Is who I'm close to somehow who thinks I'm a spy and isn't saying?" Low and behold, Candy, a close ally, did just that.
spies4Beverly (6:46:32 PM): The fact was it had gone 2 or 3 rounds without anyone saying a WORD.
spies4Beverly (6:46:42 PM): I figured they had been elimianted before they had the chance.
spies4Beverly (6:47:57 PM): Votes are due in 13 minutes. All I can say is, from your point of view BOTH Naomi and me are spies. So I'm sayin gis I know I'm a citizen, and you have to understand the risk that one of us is a citizen. Naomi, if she was shockingly a citizen, is way less valuable than me. I can really help us, and I have buckets of information that I want to share if I do stay.
spies4Johan (6:48:28 PM): And yet of the three people eliminated after this investigation took place, Ralph, Emma, and Angelica, both Ralph and Emma's exiles were widely known beforehand, and Emma had not been around in ages, so it is doubtful that had she an investigation she would have used it anyway as she had not logged into the forums
spies4Beverly (6:48:29 PM): You know Naomi is just going to go under the radar and try avoid the spotlight. If she's a spy, she's a Traditionalist and she gets to imprison. She has no worries if she stays.
spies4Beverly (6:48:47 PM): I figured it was Lloyd.
spies4Beverly (6:49:03 PM): He was being very strange with me.
spies4Johan (6:49:38 PM): I consider all risks... the risks if one of you is a citizen are real, but think of the risks if one of you is a spy. You are a smart player, you have built close friendships among citizens and are very persuasive... If you are a spy you are a dozen times more dangerous than Naomi is
spies4Beverly (6:49:57 PM): Johan, I'm gone by next exile.
spies4Beverly (6:50:01 PM): You KNOW that.
spies4Beverly (6:50:08 PM): I'm suspect #1
spies4Beverly (6:50:13 PM): If Naomi is out of the picture.
spies4Beverly (6:50:23 PM): and look at how Naomi surivved this exile.
spies4Beverly (6:50:26 PM): (if she does)
spies4Beverly (6:50:29 PM): she's just as dangerous.
spies4Beverly (6:50:34 PM): I lost ALL my friends this round.
spies4Beverly (6:50:39 PM): And its 8-8 right now.
spies4Johan (6:50:58 PM): I do not believe so. If Naomi is exiled as spy I think that you will survive this somehow, at least for an additional round or two, that is the faith I put into your skills at this game
spies4Beverly (6:51:41 PM): Thanks, lol. But all I can say is you're losing a huge helper.
spies4Beverly (6:51:49 PM): At least give me a chance to show how I can be helpful.
spies4Beverly (6:52:06 PM): don't tell her this, but Naomi just told me she's not voting me? What the hell..
spies4Johan (6:52:58 PM): I know that you would be very helpful as a citizen, but is that worth the risk? I am unsure of this. And Naomi would be crazy to do so
spies4Beverly (6:53:24 PM): I have pages and pages of information I want to post in the burg
spies4Beverly (6:53:42 PM): I swear my role is real... and it sucks i cant say
spies4Beverly (6:53:48 PM): I CAN INVESTIGATE PEOPLE
spies4Beverly (6:53:48 PM): or
spies4Beverly (6:53:55 PM): YOU CANT EXILE ME THIS ROUND
spies4Beverly (6:54:06 PM): ALl I can bargain with is my skill, adn as a citizen I'm way more helpful than Naomi.
spies4Beverly (6:54:11 PM): Naomi is a spy, and a spy is a spy.
spies4Beverly (6:54:49 PM): You won't regret keeping me an extra round.
spies4Johan (6:54:54 PM): Yes, Naomi is a spy, I agree here. And yet you say that she is not voting for you? Were she a spy she would most likely be fighting for her life right now
spies4Beverly (6:55:07 PM): She's lying to me.
spies4Beverly (6:55:10 PM): Is what I'm getting at.
spies4Beverly (6:55:29 PM): She told people she's voting me yet she's telling me she isn't voting me?
A spy would want me to throw my vote..
spies4Johan (6:56:13 PM): I think anyone would want to throw your vote off of themselves, spy or citizen, though
spies4Beverly (6:56:26 PM): She didn't know I was voting her.
spies4Beverly (6:56:35 PM): I didn't tell many people how I was voting.
spies4Johan (6:58:41 PM): Well, under the circumstances I think it was more or less a given
spies4Beverly (6:58:53 PM): Vote for me. It's a mistake. Oh well.
spies4Beverly (6:59:00 PM): It's your ass when I'm revealed a citizen.
spies4Beverly (6:59:09 PM): Don't say I didn't warn you.
spies4Johan (7:00:06 PM): I'll consider myself warned, then However if you are a citizen, I offer many apologies... And I will but then only perservere to get rid of Naomi next time. I am only doing what my heart tells me to be best
spies4Beverly (6:29:05 PM): I wanted to say thank you for not blindsidingme.
spies4Johan (6:29:09 PM): Greetings, Bev
spies4Beverly (6:29:13 PM): It should be a close one.
spies4Beverly (6:29:25 PM): Assuming your voting for me it looks 8-8
spies4Johan (6:29:32 PM): I thank you also for being understanding... It would not be right to hide my vote until the end, of course
spies4Beverly (6:29:39 PM): That's fine.
spies4Beverly (6:29:54 PM): I don't understand why keeping Naomi is more beneficial, but you have your reasons I suppose.
spies4Johan (6:31:08 PM): Yes, trust me, I very much want Naomi gone, I think she is too a spy... It was very tough decision, but, your story to me sounds too convenient and 'right' for this situation... if you're telling the truth, I hope there are no hard feelings, yes? I want to take trust, but this is a hard game in which to do so
spies4Beverly (6:31:20 PM): Absolutely.
spies4Beverly (6:31:24 PM): Can I at least give it a go?
spies4Beverly (6:31:28 PM): I don't want to not try.
spies4Beverly (6:31:43 PM): Because it is a tie right now and I really don't want to use the tiebreaker.
spies4Beverly (6:32:13 PM): Hello?
spies4Johan (6:33:07 PM): Sorry, I still have guests from my mother country, I understand this, I am open to anything you wish to say
spies4Beverly (6:33:12 PM): Ok.
spies4Beverly (6:35:43 PM): You say you think Naomi and I are both spies. Yes? So consider this. When you vote for someone you have to consider "What happens if they are a citizen". If you were given the choice to eliminate Naomi or Me, and were told that we were both confirmed citizens, who would be more valuable to the Burg? I'd hope you say me. I know how to play this game and I already have loads of information I've saved up as Beverly. I do intent to release my theories before the next imprisonment (if I survive exile I think I'll be imprisonment target #1) so that it can get out. Naomi is going to go invisible and you know it! She's so confident she's safe she isn't even on. See how fast she jumped on the "Vote Bev" wagon when Candy posted? I know you suspect her, so I'm not going to tell you why she's suspicious. She's a spy.
spies4Beverly (6:36:51 PM): I'm telling you I'm a citizen who was given a role to challenge me because I have experience in this. I'm a good citizen and I haven't been given much time at all to show who I am and all I'm asking is at least keep me so I can show what I'm worth. If for whatever reason I survive imprisonment, you can exile me if you feel I haven't been helpful at all (or if there just aren't any more suspects). I love this game and I want to try show that I can be helpful.
spies4Beverly (6:37:04 PM): That's all I have to say. I can tell you love mafia, and from one mafia-lover to another, please keep me.
spies4Beverly (6:38:07 PM): If you have any questions let me know and I'll glady answer them. I just wish I had some kind of role inheritted to bargain that I'd be useful to keep around. All I can rally bargain with is that I'm a good player and I've led the citizens to victory before.
spies4Johan (6:39:29 PM): Okay, all of this seems as sound plan, but... I am curious of a few things... trivial questions perhaps, but necessary. Is there anybody in this game that you do trust??
spies4Beverly (6:39:31 PM): You and I both know Naomi isn't going to help.
spies4Beverly (6:39:38 PM): Yes.
spies4Beverly (6:39:40 PM): Gordy and Cain. Fully.
spies4Beverly (6:39:43 PM): Faizah aswell.
spies4Beverly (6:39:47 PM): and Zander.
spies4Beverly (6:40:01 PM): People I don't trust but I'm pretty sure are citizens: Madison and Candy.
spies4Johan (6:40:15 PM): Fully? Then why would you have not told any of them of this role? It is of little threat to spies, and yet you spoke of it to nobody throughout the entire game?
spies4Beverly (6:40:51 PM): I didn't tell anyone because the fact that nobody even game up and said I INVESTIGATED BEVERLY was so strange to me. I figured they were eliminated before they had the chance/felt the time was right.
spies4Beverly (6:42:12 PM): I was glad because that meant I didn't have to drop my dumb act.
spies4Johan (6:42:12 PM): Yes, but wouldn't it have been a risk for one of your close friends to have possibly gained an investigation unbeknowst to you via prizes or a role? By telling them beforehand, at least one of them, you would have saved yourself much of this by creating someone to vouch for you. You are, of course, very smart, I would think that you would ponder this
spies4Beverly (6:42:29 PM): No, because I already knew I was investigated.
spies4Beverly (6:42:39 PM): So any other investigations on me would have saiid I was a citizen.
spies4Beverly (6:43:19 PM): I didn't trust these people fully either until after Jeremiah's exile (where I was then told I inheritted no role).
spies4Beverly (6:43:27 PM): With no role I had no reason to tell them about this role.
spies4Beverly (6:43:59 PM): "By the way, if you investigated me a few rounds ago I was a spy! I could have inheritted a role but I didn't. Just letting you know!" It would have been pointless.
spies4Johan (6:45:34 PM): Perhaps, and yet what if one of them had investigated you? Would you not be panicking if you knew that someone had investigated you and it had turned up spy for them even though you were truly a citizen? If I were in your shoes I would have been very subtly trying to reassure everyone close to me that I was a citizen, even at the length of telling those I trust of the role. Someone could have been preparing to blindside you the entire time
spies4Beverly (6:46:21 PM): That was obviously in my mind. "Is who I'm close to somehow who thinks I'm a spy and isn't saying?" Low and behold, Candy, a close ally, did just that.
spies4Beverly (6:46:32 PM): The fact was it had gone 2 or 3 rounds without anyone saying a WORD.
spies4Beverly (6:46:42 PM): I figured they had been elimianted before they had the chance.
spies4Beverly (6:47:57 PM): Votes are due in 13 minutes. All I can say is, from your point of view BOTH Naomi and me are spies. So I'm sayin gis I know I'm a citizen, and you have to understand the risk that one of us is a citizen. Naomi, if she was shockingly a citizen, is way less valuable than me. I can really help us, and I have buckets of information that I want to share if I do stay.
spies4Johan (6:48:28 PM): And yet of the three people eliminated after this investigation took place, Ralph, Emma, and Angelica, both Ralph and Emma's exiles were widely known beforehand, and Emma had not been around in ages, so it is doubtful that had she an investigation she would have used it anyway as she had not logged into the forums
spies4Beverly (6:48:29 PM): You know Naomi is just going to go under the radar and try avoid the spotlight. If she's a spy, she's a Traditionalist and she gets to imprison. She has no worries if she stays.
spies4Beverly (6:48:47 PM): I figured it was Lloyd.
spies4Beverly (6:49:03 PM): He was being very strange with me.
spies4Johan (6:49:38 PM): I consider all risks... the risks if one of you is a citizen are real, but think of the risks if one of you is a spy. You are a smart player, you have built close friendships among citizens and are very persuasive... If you are a spy you are a dozen times more dangerous than Naomi is
spies4Beverly (6:49:57 PM): Johan, I'm gone by next exile.
spies4Beverly (6:50:01 PM): You KNOW that.
spies4Beverly (6:50:08 PM): I'm suspect #1
spies4Beverly (6:50:13 PM): If Naomi is out of the picture.
spies4Beverly (6:50:23 PM): and look at how Naomi surivved this exile.
spies4Beverly (6:50:26 PM): (if she does)
spies4Beverly (6:50:29 PM): she's just as dangerous.
spies4Beverly (6:50:34 PM): I lost ALL my friends this round.
spies4Beverly (6:50:39 PM): And its 8-8 right now.
spies4Johan (6:50:58 PM): I do not believe so. If Naomi is exiled as spy I think that you will survive this somehow, at least for an additional round or two, that is the faith I put into your skills at this game
spies4Beverly (6:51:41 PM): Thanks, lol. But all I can say is you're losing a huge helper.
spies4Beverly (6:51:49 PM): At least give me a chance to show how I can be helpful.
spies4Beverly (6:52:06 PM): don't tell her this, but Naomi just told me she's not voting me? What the hell..
spies4Johan (6:52:58 PM): I know that you would be very helpful as a citizen, but is that worth the risk? I am unsure of this. And Naomi would be crazy to do so
spies4Beverly (6:53:24 PM): I have pages and pages of information I want to post in the burg
spies4Beverly (6:53:42 PM): I swear my role is real... and it sucks i cant say
spies4Beverly (6:53:48 PM): I CAN INVESTIGATE PEOPLE
spies4Beverly (6:53:48 PM): or
spies4Beverly (6:53:55 PM): YOU CANT EXILE ME THIS ROUND
spies4Beverly (6:54:06 PM): ALl I can bargain with is my skill, adn as a citizen I'm way more helpful than Naomi.
spies4Beverly (6:54:11 PM): Naomi is a spy, and a spy is a spy.
spies4Beverly (6:54:49 PM): You won't regret keeping me an extra round.
spies4Johan (6:54:54 PM): Yes, Naomi is a spy, I agree here. And yet you say that she is not voting for you? Were she a spy she would most likely be fighting for her life right now
spies4Beverly (6:55:07 PM): She's lying to me.
spies4Beverly (6:55:10 PM): Is what I'm getting at.
spies4Beverly (6:55:29 PM): She told people she's voting me yet she's telling me she isn't voting me?
A spy would want me to throw my vote..
spies4Johan (6:56:13 PM): I think anyone would want to throw your vote off of themselves, spy or citizen, though
spies4Beverly (6:56:26 PM): She didn't know I was voting her.
spies4Beverly (6:56:35 PM): I didn't tell many people how I was voting.
spies4Johan (6:58:41 PM): Well, under the circumstances I think it was more or less a given
spies4Beverly (6:58:53 PM): Vote for me. It's a mistake. Oh well.
spies4Beverly (6:59:00 PM): It's your ass when I'm revealed a citizen.
spies4Beverly (6:59:09 PM): Don't say I didn't warn you.
spies4Johan (7:00:06 PM): I'll consider myself warned, then However if you are a citizen, I offer many apologies... And I will but then only perservere to get rid of Naomi next time. I am only doing what my heart tells me to be best