Episode 1: The Silence is Deafening

[Naomi]

Alright so, this is just starting out. I know these will be revealed later, so it's like a documentary behind the scenes DVD of me, lol. First of all, I am a guy, roleplaying a girl for the time being. And I actually am a telemarketer...so yeah.

Ok game-wise, I haven't done anything yet. This was my first stop. I even forgot how many players are here. And I know it's wrong, but I hope I'm spy...

If I can treat this place like a blog of spies where I just spill it, that'll be cool.

[Naomi]

Ha ha, ok first goal of this game, avoid beverly! Soooo annoying!

[Naomi]

I see a lot of people setting up their characters in a way that if they do end up being spies, we won't know a difference in their personalities.

Martha and Masaki for two. Martha is making it to where she'd be a highly unlikely candidate for a spy. Masaki is quiet. Doesn't speak much, and if he's like that now, when he's a spy it'll be no different and I can't call him out on it.

[Naomi]

Apparently my day of searching monster hunter armor on a japanese site in which I could read nothing paid off. The tie breaker game was just what I did then, replace the numbers! A fun and boring game. But I guess I was fast enough to win it. Hooray for the scummyness of me!

[Naomi]

got a family going. It's all good with martha leon and masaki!

[Naomi]

Hmm...I wonder if I'm acting suspicious.

Martha is a very strange character.

[Naomi]

One thing I do like right now, is that we're more or less spread and incognito. It's a good thing, and I apparently am really good at persuasion...

Not to toot my own horn or anything...

*toot**toot*

The convo with sherri today. I find this very incriminating, and well worth it. Especially the part where she's grasping for any reason to kill someone.

[Naomi]

spies4Sherri (10:26:53 PM): Hello Naomi! :-)
spies4Sherri (10:26:59 PM): And congratulations on that win!
spies4Naomi (10:27:24 PM): Ha ha thanks
spies4Naomi (10:27:52 PM): what's up?
spies4Sherri (10:27:45 PM): Spy hunt!
spies4Sherri (10:27:46 PM): :-D
spies4Naomi (10:28:18 PM): lol
spies4Naomi (10:28:19 PM): yeah
spies4Naomi (10:28:41 PM): I heard abrams is being suspected.
spies4Sherri (10:29:28 PM): Oh my? Because of targeting Bev?
spies4Naomi (10:30:02 PM): I guess so
spies4Sherri (10:30:26 PM): I think both of them may just be bringing over a misunderstanding before roles were given.
spies4Naomi (10:32:06 PM): Well it also might be because of a chat earlier
spies4Naomi (10:32:18 PM): apparently Abrams was being a tad overzealous
spies4Naomi (10:32:44 PM): I see that as a newb personality thing
spies4Naomi (10:32:59 PM): but others aren't as happy with it
spies4Sherri (10:34:09 PM): Overzealous with what?
spies4Naomi (10:34:43 PM): I'm not sure, I wan't there.
spies4Naomi (10:34:52 PM): Probably acting more important than he is
spies4Naomi (10:35:02 PM): total noob thing
spies4Sherri (10:34:58 PM): I'm curious as to what he did...
spies4Naomi (10:35:30 PM): ask around...I wasn't sure who was all there either
spies4Sherri (10:36:09 PM): Faiz doesn't know much either
spies4Sherri (10:36:18 PM): except that Abrams apologized to Bev.
spies4Sherri (10:36:23 PM): Which was kinda odd...
spies4Naomi (10:37:19 PM): strange
spies4Naomi (10:37:53 PM): when did he apologize?
spies4Sherri (10:37:47 PM): I don't know either.
spies4Sherri (10:37:51 PM): But Faizah said it best:
spies4Sherri (10:37:59 PM): We should talk to Abrams to find out for sure.
spies4Naomi (10:38:26 PM): yeah
spies4Naomi (10:38:32 PM): I've got nothing against him
spies4Naomi (10:38:48 PM): I wasn't there, and even if I was it sounds more like a personality quirk to me
spies4Naomi (10:39:16 PM): regardless, I don't know what others think of him
spies4Naomi (10:39:27 PM): so I wanted to find out what you thought!
spies4Sherri (10:40:42 PM): I will try to talk to him when I have the chance
spies4Sherri (10:40:48 PM): I really want to get to the bottom of this.
spies4Sherri (10:40:53 PM): Have you talked with Candy?
spies4Naomi (10:41:13 PM): ha ha, good
spies4Naomi (10:41:15 PM): a little
spies4Naomi (10:41:20 PM): but not much game stuff
spies4Naomi (10:42:09 PM): I have dismissed the abrams situation until further notice, but still, I'd like everyone to know personality quirks is not a spy tell
spies4Sherri (10:43:14 PM): Well aside from Abrams...
spies4Sherri (10:43:19 PM): Candy is another notable person
spies4Naomi (10:43:41 PM): ...?
spies4Sherri (10:43:26 PM): for her indifference for the whole game.
spies4Naomi (10:43:46 PM): You know...
spies4Naomi (10:43:51 PM): I was thinking the same thing
spies4Naomi (10:44:06 PM): and she seems really uninformed
spies4Sherri (10:46:53 PM): Uninformed is different from apathetic dearie.
spies4Naomi (10:47:36 PM): hmmm...
spies4Naomi (10:47:50 PM): I think she's both then, lol
spies4Sherri (10:47:37 PM): Candy knows Abrams apologized to Bev last night
spies4Sherri (10:47:40 PM): Therefore
spies4Sherri (10:47:55 PM): Candy And Abrams OR Candy and Bev are in close communication.
spies4Sherri (10:48:15 PM): She may be not uninformed after all.
spies4Naomi (10:48:54 PM): Wow...
spies4Naomi (10:49:13 PM): It's a little early to be assuming that, but it does seem strange.
spies4Sherri (10:49:21 PM): Well that is something to note hon :-)
spies4Naomi (10:49:47 PM): :-)
spies4Sherri (10:51:31 PM): Now she just confused me...
spies4Naomi (10:51:55 PM): ?
spies4Sherri (10:51:44 PM): She told me that both Bev and Abrams told her that they made up.
spies4Sherri (10:51:59 PM): Now that's easy to test if she's lying ;-)
spies4Naomi (10:53:18 PM): lol yeah
spies4Sherri (11:18:24 PM): Still there?
spies4Naomi (11:18:46 PM): of course!
spies4Sherri (11:18:37 PM): Just checking!
spies4Naomi (11:18:56 PM): ha ha
spies4Naomi (11:19:03 PM): did you ask candy?
spies4Naomi (11:19:07 PM): er
spies4Naomi (11:19:18 PM): bev and abrams?
spies4Sherri (11:19:25 PM): I'm asking Bev right now.
spies4Naomi (11:20:14 PM): kk
spies4Sherri (11:21:52 PM): spies4Sherri: But who told you that Abrams apologized to Bev?
spies4Candy: Bev and Abrams
spies4Candy: Fine?
spies4Sherri: Yes yes... fine.
spies4Sherri (1:21:24 PM): SPY
spies4Sherri (11:22:42 PM): spies4Beverly: ANGELICA
spies4Beverly: U
spies4Beverly: LISE
spies4Beverly: JEREMIAH
spies4Beverly: IT SAYS
spies4Beverly: MENTIONED TO ADELAIDE
spies4Beverly: RALPH
spies4Beverly: THATS IT...
spies4Sherri (11:22:46 PM): That;s bev's list
spies4Sherri (11:22:55 PM): dsa
spies4Sherri (11:23:31 PM): Oooo...
spies4Sherri (11:23:35 PM): Bev is defending Candy.
spies4Naomi (11:23:58 PM): Hmm..
spies4Naomi (11:24:06 PM): I think Sherri is on to something
spies4Naomi (11:24:11 PM): though I don't know what
spies4Sherri (11:23:57 PM): Well she does have proof.
spies4Naomi (11:24:26 PM): yeah
spies4Sherri (11:25:12 PM): Wait.
spies4Sherri (11:25:28 PM): This was from Bev.
spies4Sherri (11:25:34 PM): spies4Beverly (8:57:54 PM): WHO IS YOUR FAM
spies4Sherri (11:25:56 PM): spies4Beverly (8:57:54 PM): WHO IS YOUR FAM
spies4Candy (8:58:18 PM): Your #1 fan
spies4Sherri (11:26:17 PM): spies4Beverly (9:03:02 PM): I FEEL BAD THAT I WAS SO RUDE BUT HE SHOULDNT HAVE SAID THINGS HE DID
spies4Sherri (11:26:24 PM): spies4Candy (9:03:43 PM): He's seriously being nice?
spies4Candy (9:03:52 PM): Uh huh
spies4Sherri (11:26:31 PM): spies4Beverly (9:03:54 PM): YA HE THINSK WE GOT OFF
spies4Beverly (9:04:04 PM): ONT HE WRONG FOOT
spies4Sherri (11:26:50 PM): spies4Candy (9:06:19 PM): Only way to tell is to see how he votes, I guess
spies4Sherri (11:26:52 PM): But
spies4Sherri (11:26:58 PM): Bev said that
spies4Naomi (11:27:27 PM): weird
spies4Sherri (11:27:16 PM): "BUT I DONT THINK THAT REALLY QUALIFIES AS TELLING HER ABOUT MY SUSPICIONS
OR THAT WE MADE UP
ALL SHE SHOULD KNOW IS THAT HE TRIED TO MAKE UP"
spies4Sherri (11:27:29 PM): Yes it is!
spies4Naomi (11:29:04 PM): so what do you think?
spies4Sherri (11:29:11 PM): Well it is definately fishy both on Candy's and Bev's part.
spies4Sherri (11:29:16 PM): But moreso on Candy
spies4Sherri (11:29:24 PM): How did she REALLY get the information?
spies4Naomi (11:30:16 PM): perhaps though a small chat of some sort
spies4Naomi (11:30:25 PM): other than that I could only guess
spies4Sherri (11:30:48 PM): But why did Candy have to tell me that she got it from Bev.
spies4Sherri (11:30:55 PM): And Bev would tell me she didn't tell Candy?
spies4Naomi (11:31:47 PM): that is a very incriminating incident
spies4Naomi (11:32:04 PM): obviously they're trying to hide the communication
spies4Naomi (11:32:10 PM): I'd save all of that
spies4Sherri (11:31:56 PM): Yep. :-\
spies4Sherri (11:39:13 PM): Naomi
spies4Sherri (11:39:16 PM): Still there.
spies4Naomi (11:39:34 PM): yes
spies4Sherri (11:39:28 PM): You, Kip, Masaki and Bev know about what happened.
spies4Naomi (11:40:12 PM): that's all?
spies4Naomi (11:40:16 PM): good
spies4Sherri (11:40:02 PM): So far yes.
spies4Naomi (11:40:31 PM): what should we do with it?
spies4Naomi (11:40:37 PM): because I see two routes here
spies4Sherri (11:40:21 PM): I am not sure yet.
spies4Sherri (11:40:24 PM): :-\
spies4Naomi (11:41:12 PM): One: We could bring it up now and go public in the burg. Perhaps it'll sway people to vote for them.
spies4Naomi (11:41:19 PM): Con to that plan is, what if they
spies4Naomi (11:41:26 PM): 're innocent?
spies4Sherri (11:41:24 PM): It is kind of scary!
spies4Sherri (11:41:34 PM): I've never felt so insecure about such a decision!
spies4Sherri (11:41:36 PM): :-\
spies4Naomi (11:42:17 PM): Two: We keep it to ourselves and see if we can use it later after quite a bit of evidence has piled up
spies4Naomi (11:42:56 PM): this will likely have more of an impact and assure ourselves more, because of the simple quantity of the evidence
spies4Sherri (11:42:55 PM): Yep.
spies4Sherri (11:43:19 PM): But the disadvantage of the first one is, we might get imprisoned or even exiled soon. Or it may be too late in the past that nobody would believe it.
spies4Sherri (11:43:25 PM): Especially if they Imprison Bev.
spies4Sherri (11:43:33 PM): They would just tell us that we are making stuff up.
spies4Naomi (11:43:49 PM): yeah
spies4Naomi (11:44:07 PM): but if you think...they probably won't imprison bev
spies4Naomi (11:44:22 PM): she's at least a little suspicious
spies4Sherri (11:45:12 PM): Maybe, but would this story be believable if Bev is still alive!
spies4Naomi (11:45:28 PM): I also don't think we'll get imprisoned or exiled before then, and if one of us do, we'll have the other
spies4Naomi (11:46:48 PM): well, sherri, if bev isn't alive and turns up citizen, what does that say of candy?
spies4Sherri (11:47:02 PM): You got a point there. :-)
spies4Naomi (11:47:22 PM): It would clear her of this evidence.
spies4Sherri (11:47:21 PM): Well, Bev thinks it isn't that serious lot of evidence.
spies4Naomi (11:47:58 PM): Don't get all fanatic on me, just because you caught a lie doesn't mean we won the game
spies4Naomi (11:48:08 PM): we don't know all the information
spies4Sherri (11:48:19 PM): LOL
spies4Sherri (11:48:27 PM): I didn't mean to look that way.
spies4Sherri (11:48:34 PM): Sorry, too much coffee I guess :-P
spies4Naomi (11:48:57 PM): what this does mean however, is that we definitelt need to keep our eyes on them
spies4Sherri (11:48:56 PM): Agreed. :-)

[Naomi]

Ok now I am really scared. It's time to spill on this one.


Martha tripped me up after the roles were given.
Unfortunately I don't have the convo saved, but I'm pretty sure it was incriminating. She after receiving her role, got excited about being a spy and told me it was great to be together and also spies. I was shocked...and then surprised. I think I was coy enough about it to dodge the bullet. But how much did I say?

Today she spoke like it never happened.
What happens next?

[Naomi]

Ok so, things are going well. I have innocent people swayed to think I am uber good at this game and therefore citizen! If you have time, check this out:

spies4Bunni (9:50:17 PM): Hey, sweetums! How are you?
spies4Naomi (9:50:30 PM): Pretty good.
spies4Naomi (9:50:44 PM): Sifting though this Bev, Martha, Abrams mess
spies4Naomi (9:50:46 PM): you?
spies4Bunni (9:51:09 PM): on no. what happened?
spies4Naomi (9:53:07 PM): not too sure
spies4Naomi (9:53:19 PM): it seems bev and martha had a disagreement about abrams
spies4Naomi (9:53:23 PM): and his exile
spies4Bunni (9:53:37 PM): abrams is acting wierd to me. and i was just saying hi.
spies4Naomi (9:54:01 PM): oh so no game stuff?
spies4Naomi (9:54:16 PM): are you busy or something?
spies4Naomi (9:54:26 PM): cause I was spilling it lol
spies4Bunni (9:55:02 PM): no!
spies4Bunni (9:55:08 PM): game stuff is cool.
spies4Bunni (9:55:18 PM): i just said, "hi" to him and he jumped my case.
spies4Naomi (9:55:26 PM): oh ok I misunderstood
spies4Naomi (9:55:29 PM): anyway
spies4Naomi (9:55:41 PM): martha was saying that she doesn't want abrams to be exiled but there isn't an alternative that is clear right now
spies4Naomi (9:56:00 PM): and bev understood that to mean that martha wanted abrams exiled
spies4Naomi (9:56:14 PM): and bev is very close with abrams now apparently
spies4Naomi (9:56:22 PM): and martha lost her cool with it
spies4Bunni (9:56:27 PM): i don't know martha yet.
spies4Bunni (9:56:31 PM): so i can't really say.
spies4Naomi (9:56:37 PM): so they both looked bad after that
spies4Naomi (9:56:41 PM): imo anyway
spies4Bunni (10:00:51 PM): yeah. fighting this early on doesn't bode well for anyone really.
spies4Bunni (10:01:00 PM): cause who knows if the fights are real or not.
spies4Bunni (10:01:12 PM): they could be trying to make us think that they don't like each other, when really they're working together.
spies4Bunni (10:01:21 PM): as spies or something. but i mean, i don't know at this point.
spies4Naomi (10:01:23 PM): hmmm
spies4Naomi (10:01:31 PM): interesting point
spies4Naomi (10:01:39 PM): a distancing operation?
spies4Naomi (10:01:52 PM): I don't know if the spies would be so obvious about it
spies4Naomi (10:02:00 PM): but that's WIFOM logic so
spies4Bunni (10:02:03 PM): unless they're really STUPID haha
spies4Naomi (10:02:11 PM): ha ha right!
spies4Naomi (10:02:38 PM): my guess is that one or the other is a spy, but I can't say for sure
spies4Bunni (10:02:37 PM): that'd be funny if they're like the dumbest people ever.
spies4Naomi (10:02:50 PM): :-)
spies4Bunni (10:03:07 PM): yes, i agree. i think there's something going on there.
spies4Bunni (10:03:16 PM): anything out of the blue is suspicious now.
spies4Naomi (10:03:30 PM): or a gambit
spies4Naomi (10:08:32 PM): you know sometimes people stir this up to create conversation and see where people stand
spies4Naomi (10:08:50 PM): not because they're spies, but because they're citizens.
spies4Bunni (10:08:54 PM): oh really?
spies4Naomi (10:09:00 PM): and they want to see reactions
spies4Naomi (10:09:04 PM): especially early game
spies4Naomi (10:09:19 PM): for example
spies4Naomi (10:09:31 PM): maybe abrams is acting like a spy on purpose
spies4Naomi (10:09:39 PM): to appear to be an easy target
spies4Bunni (10:09:49 PM): sacrifice?
spies4Naomi (10:09:51 PM): so spies would attack him and support his exile
spies4Naomi (10:09:59 PM): in a sense yes
spies4Bunni (10:10:02 PM): oh. i see where you're headed.
spies4Bunni (10:10:13 PM): try to get the spies to jump on that bandwagon real fast like.
spies4Naomi (10:10:30 PM): then he backs off, seems level-headed, and points out what happened
spies4Naomi (10:11:00 PM): I think that's what's going on, though by now abrams would have backed off a bit
spies4Naomi (10:11:03 PM): and he hasn't
spies4Bunni (10:11:39 PM): hm yeah. if he was a spy, it's unlike he would be acting like that.
spies4Bunni (10:11:49 PM): unless, like i said, he's STUPID
spies4Naomi (10:12:02 PM): ha ha, i'm beginning to suspect that, yes
spies4Naomi (10:12:30 PM): spies in general, tend to lay as low as possible and remain incognito
spies4Bunni (10:13:09 PM): you'd think.
spies4Naomi (10:13:17 PM): the fact that he stands out may be because he's a stupid player or an even smarter player, or a semi intelligent spy
spies4Bunni (10:13:17 PM): unless they suspect us to suspect that.
spies4Naomi (10:13:34 PM): although its really all wifom down that road
spies4Bunni (10:13:33 PM): and are doing this so we'll think, 'oh, he couldn't possibly be one'
spies4Bunni (10:13:41 PM): but they couldn't really count on us to think that.
spies4Bunni (10:13:45 PM): so, yeah.
spies4Naomi (10:13:52 PM): right. That's what WIFOM is
spies4Naomi (10:14:07 PM): the thought that "You'd think I'd do that so I did the opposite"
spies4Naomi (10:14:23 PM): "but you'd think I'd do the opposite so I didn't"
spies4Bunni (10:14:24 PM): oh. i didn't know.
spies4Naomi (10:14:44 PM): basically, logic like that you can never ever use
spies4Bunni (10:14:43 PM): i don't guess i'm the most experienced spy player.
spies4Naomi (10:14:49 PM): ha ha
spies4Naomi (10:14:52 PM): don't worry about it
spies4Naomi (10:14:59 PM): I think you're alright
spies4Bunni (10:15:01 PM): i can give fresh persepctive, i guess. lol
spies4Naomi (10:15:11 PM): definitely
spies4Naomi (10:16:13 PM): anyway, moral of the story: Abrams is either A)Running a gambit for reactions or B)A stupid spy or C)a stupid player.
spies4Naomi (10:16:34 PM): which is why for now I am not voting for him
spies4Naomi (10:16:57 PM): there's just not enough solid "he's a spy" evidence
spies4Naomi (10:17:09 PM): it just all attributes to how he plays
spies4Bunni (10:17:07 PM): yeah. there's not really enough evidence for anyone, though.
spies4Naomi (10:17:14 PM): true
spies4Naomi (10:17:28 PM): so what do you think?
spies4Bunni (10:17:28 PM): apparently, my fam was not invited to a little shindig martha pulled together.
spies4Bunni (10:17:37 PM): so, we're all pretty pissed at her.
spies4Naomi (10:17:39 PM): ?
spies4Naomi (10:17:48 PM): what happened there?
spies4Bunni (10:18:52 PM): bev said martha thinks were stupid or something? and like...she was trying to make a vote and didn't want our imput, so didn't invite us to a chat.
spies4Naomi (10:19:17 PM): wow...
spies4Naomi (10:19:34 PM): I have a bit of trust for martha...but she's been acting weird lately
spies4Bunni (10:19:35 PM): yeah.
spies4Naomi (10:19:43 PM): i can't out her though, she's family
spies4Bunni (10:19:41 PM): so, we're probably gonna vote her.
spies4Naomi (10:19:46 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (10:19:52 PM): understandabl
spies4Naomi (10:19:53 PM): e
spies4Bunni (10:19:54 PM): yeah.
spies4Bunni (10:20:07 PM): i mean, we don't have anything else to go on, and if someone's excluding us, might as well.
spies4Naomi (10:20:30 PM): but I don't really think that's something that attributes a spy
spies4Bunni (10:20:42 PM): no, not particularly.
spies4Naomi (10:20:54 PM): I mean, lloyd is blatantly vulgar about everything
spies4Bunni (10:20:55 PM): but since there's no other evidence.
spies4Naomi (10:20:57 PM): and I don't like it
spies4Naomi (10:21:04 PM): but that doesn't make him a spy
spies4Bunni (10:21:04 PM): he is a bit abrasive.
spies4Bunni (10:21:09 PM): but he's in my fam, so.
spies4Naomi (10:21:17 PM): hah a
spies4Naomi (10:21:57 PM): Idk, just be sure about your vote and be confident. Defend it if necessary, and back down if reasonable.
spies4Bunni (10:23:37 PM): yeah.
spies4Naomi (10:23:52 PM): If you follow that, you'll be fine
spies4Naomi (10:24:35 PM): and everything isn't as they seem. A lot of people are being coy and hiding things in plain sight. Moral of that: don't be gullible
spies4Bunni (10:24:49 PM): i'm trying not to be.
spies4Naomi (10:24:55 PM): ha ha good
spies4Bunni (10:25:21 PM): i think once i get to know everyone, i'll have a better feel for what's truth and what isn't.
spies4Naomi (10:25:55 PM): I think so too
spies4Bunni (10:27:31 PM): this early, with this many people....it's like a circus
spies4Naomi (10:28:29 PM): ha ha
spies4Naomi (10:28:40 PM): I've never thought of it that way
spies4Bunni (10:28:59 PM): but i'm right, right? haha
spies4Bunni (10:29:09 PM): people are going crazy in every direction without a sense of up or down.
spies4Naomi (10:29:13 PM): very much so
spies4Bunni (10:29:25 PM): it's grab what you can and make something of it before someone does the same to you.
spies4Naomi (10:30:03 PM): or do like some of them are doing
spies4Naomi (10:30:05 PM): and sit back
spies4Naomi (10:30:29 PM): Cain, damon, kip...
spies4Naomi (10:30:37 PM): not very active
spies4Bunni (10:30:35 PM): i know none of them.
spies4Naomi (10:30:43 PM): doing bare minimum
spies4Naomi (10:30:46 PM): EXACTLY
spies4Naomi (10:30:51 PM): none of us know them
spies4Bunni (10:30:52 PM): keeps them out of the spotlight.
spies4Naomi (10:30:59 PM): right
spies4Naomi (10:31:07 PM): which for the spies are good
spies4Bunni (10:31:11 PM): we need to make a note of that and see if they change in upcoming rounds.
spies4Naomi (10:31:18 PM): and is rarely good for us
spies4Naomi (10:31:25 PM): I agree
spies4Naomi (10:31:59 PM): think: If they are spies, no one suspects them. They aren't even around to gather suspicion!
spies4Bunni (10:32:09 PM): right!
spies4Bunni (10:32:28 PM): they aren't involved in teh drama. they knew something would probably happen, so they're letting it take its toll.
spies4Naomi (10:32:38 PM): and if they are citizens, then not contrubuting is hurting us as well, and making us think they are spies because of previous logic
spies4Bunni (10:32:41 PM): if they come in later and start being more active...well, that puts a big sign on them.
spies4Naomi (10:32:57 PM): yeah
spies4Bunni (10:33:04 PM): but, then, it could be that they're just really busy right now.
spies4Bunni (10:33:14 PM): ongoing activity will play a role in this.
spies4Naomi (10:33:43 PM): ultimately, those people that lurk(don't post or participate) are the citizen's worst
spies4Naomi (10:33:47 PM): yeah true
spies4Naomi (10:34:00 PM): but if that were the case, wouldn't they tell us that!?
spies4Naomi (10:34:20 PM): if they really cared, they'd let us know they'd be out and about, not able to be here
spies4Naomi (10:34:26 PM): in which case they are pardoned
spies4Bunni (10:34:27 PM): you'd think.
spies4Bunni (10:34:49 PM): but i can't believe that there's not some spies egging on all these little arguments.
spies4Bunni (10:34:59 PM): putting tears in the cit fabric.
spies4Naomi (10:35:07 PM): oh I'm sure there are too
spies4Naomi (10:35:22 PM): but we only know that there are four or more spies
spies4Naomi (10:36:07 PM): so maybe two are lurking and three are inciting riots! or maybe 4 are out and about stirring up trouble and 2 kicking back
spies4Naomi (10:36:29 PM): best case senario, 4 of them are all active and participating.
spies4Naomi (10:36:56 PM): and hoping there are only four
spies4Bunni (10:37:06 PM): mmhm.
spies4Naomi (10:37:08 PM): though with a game of this size, I can only guess
spies4Bunni (10:37:14 PM): i think sam said there were 4.
spies4Naomi (10:37:20 PM): no
spies4Naomi (10:37:30 PM): sam said there could be four in a family
spies4Naomi (10:37:40 PM): meaning there is a minimum of four spies
spies4Bunni (10:37:40 PM): ohhhhh
spies4Bunni (10:37:42 PM): i see.
spies4Bunni (10:37:45 PM): i must have misread that.
spies4Naomi (10:37:52 PM): so did abrams
spies4Naomi (10:38:01 PM): and now he's getting crucified for it, lol
spies4Naomi (10:38:13 PM): I'm glad I could save you from that
spies4Naomi (10:38:30 PM): someone else would have totally taken that and exiled you for it
spies4Naomi (10:38:43 PM): especially since abrams has already been called out on it
spies4Bunni (10:39:26 PM): omg.
spies4Bunni (10:39:29 PM): that's insane.
spies4Bunni (10:39:34 PM): thanks for looking out for me.
spies4Bunni (10:39:45 PM): people really will jump on anything, won't they?
spies4Naomi (10:39:54 PM): no problem. I think you're a citizen.
spies4Naomi (10:39:57 PM): yeah
spies4Naomi (10:40:03 PM): especially early game
spies4Bunni (10:40:14 PM): crazy stuff.
spies4Naomi (10:40:19 PM): after awhile though, they'll build up a bit of tolerance to mistakes
spies4Bunni (10:40:28 PM): i hope i last that long. lol
spies4Naomi (10:41:03 PM): basically, if you said there were four, then they'd think "How'd she know there were four unless she's a spy? We weren't told how many there were!"
spies4Naomi (10:41:12 PM): you see?
spies4Bunni (10:41:49 PM): oh. yeah.
spies4Bunni (10:41:55 PM): i wouldn't even thought of that.
spies4Bunni (10:42:06 PM): i just thought it was a common knowledge, but...
spies4Bunni (10:42:08 PM): lol
spies4Bunni (10:42:13 PM): i'm going to have to watch myself.
spies4Naomi (10:42:41 PM): don't have too many inhibitions though, they'll think you're hiding something
spies4Naomi (10:42:50 PM): it's a really hard game now that I look at it
spies4Naomi (10:42:52 PM): :-)
spies4Bunni (10:42:58 PM): so i'm noticing.
spies4Bunni (10:43:02 PM): scary!
spies4Bunni (10:43:03 PM): lol
spies4Naomi (10:43:27 PM): well, the key is to have a lot of evidence on someone, not just, "Well...she seems like she's hiding something."
spies4Naomi (10:43:36 PM): so don't sweat the small stuff
spies4Bunni (10:43:42 PM): mmhm
spies4Bunni (10:43:56 PM): but how do you do that in these early rounds?
spies4Bunni (10:44:02 PM): you just gotta go on what you have, right?
spies4Naomi (10:44:30 PM): you gotta be observant.
spies4Naomi (10:44:36 PM): and not follow a crowd
spies4Bunni (10:45:01 PM): mmhm
spies4Bunni (10:48:01 PM): ahhh, i'm sleepy. i'm going to bed.
spies4Bunni (10:48:07 PM): thanks for all the help. i really do appreciate it.
spies4Naomi (10:48:10 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (10:48:14 PM): no problem
spies4Bunni (10:48:13 PM): good talk. :-)
spies4Naomi (10:48:19 PM): we have to stick together!
spies4Bunni (10:48:20 PM): i'll see you tomorrow?
spies4Naomi (10:48:24 PM): yeah
spies4Bunni (10:48:25 PM): most definitely.
spies4Naomi (10:48:28 PM): night bunni
spies4Bunni (10:48:29 PM): night, luv.
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[Judge Sam]

I read that, it's good. Thank you for posting your thoughts - they are really illuminating and I enjoy reading them. It really shows the game from your perspective.


Any updates on what happened with Martha? Do you know if she did it to anyone else? That was before you knew who the Spies were for sure right?

[Naomi]

Nothing from martha, she's playing it completely like we never had that conversation. I don't know if she did that to anyone else, and if I ask, I'll put myself in danger. I'm just hoping for the best and crossing my fingers!

[Naomi]

Not much to say here. I guess Bev's got these guys whipped!

Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:46 PM): Hey there.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:52 PM): I do believe we're neighbors.
spies4Naomi (3:47:15 PM): Oh hey
spies4Naomi (3:47:24 PM): I don't think we've talked yet!
spies4Naomi (3:47:30 PM): what's up?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:26 PM): We have not had that chance.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:40 PM): Well, I wanted to ask your reasoning about Martha and Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:51 PM): Personally, I don't suspect either of them, but why don't you?
spies4Naomi (3:48:52 PM): Ah
spies4Naomi (3:48:59 PM): I'm ready for that now lol
spies4Naomi (3:49:14 PM): it's because all of abrams tells are not spy tells
spies4Naomi (3:49:17 PM): they're noob tells
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:14 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:21 PM): That's what I've been telling everyone.
spies4Naomi (3:49:33 PM): overzealousness, poor word choice...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:30 PM): He may be an idiot, but idiot =! spy.
spies4Naomi (3:49:39 PM): right
spies4Naomi (3:49:42 PM): martha...
spies4Naomi (3:49:48 PM): well I can't vote her anyway
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:48 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:52 PM): Families and all.
spies4Naomi (3:50:01 PM): even if I could I'd give it a while first
spies4Naomi (3:50:15 PM): she's said spy like things, but not enough yet
spies4Naomi (3:50:24 PM): and it's all through the grapevine!
spies4Naomi (3:50:33 PM): I haven't had her trip up on me
spies4Naomi (3:50:39 PM): and I know her pretty well
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:50:48 PM): Ah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:04 PM): You mean you know who she is outside of the game?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:10 PM): Or just through talking.
spies4Naomi (3:51:53 PM): though talking
spies4Naomi (3:52:27 PM): what about you though?
spies4Naomi (3:52:34 PM): going for martha?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:37 PM): I've been thinking about it.
spies4Naomi (3:52:45 PM): you know there are 23 others to vote for
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:48 PM): However, I hate easy votes.
spies4Naomi (3:52:55 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:56 PM): It's why I don't want to vote Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:06 PM): Personally, I don't like Cain.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:11 PM): He does basically nothing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:26 PM): Also, the only post I've seen him make was to try and incriminate Abrams.
spies4Naomi (3:53:42 PM): I see it as all of cain martha and abrams are easy votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:00 PM): But at the same time, I don't want to make a throwaway vote.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:14 PM): Honestly, I think I'm leaning towards Cain for exile.
spies4Naomi (3:54:28 PM): I try and justify something on my own and seek out a different reason to vote someone other than the popular reasonings
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:33 PM): Yeah, same here.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:40 PM): Which is why I'm voting for Cain.
spies4Naomi (3:54:51 PM): I think cain would be a good safe bet. I doubt he's voted for someone
spies4Naomi (3:55:15 PM): and that you bring up that he tries to incriminate abrams is unique
spies4Naomi (3:55:19 PM): and good reasoning
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:31 PM): I'm going to wait for a couple hours to vote, but I'm pretty sure he's my choice.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:47 PM): Above all else, I just want to make sure Martha and Abrams don't get offed.
spies4Naomi (3:56:10 PM): good choice, I agree
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:13 PM): If you can talk to your family, I can talk to mine and Ralph's.
spies4Naomi (3:56:38 PM): ralph in particular has a 'gut feeling' about abrams...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:52 PM): I'm suspicious of Ralph too, though.
spies4Naomi (3:56:57 PM): we're not voting for abrams, I can tell you that
spies4Naomi (3:57:03 PM): why?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:59 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:11 PM): Well, first off, Ralph has been a bit dodgy.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:24 PM): First, he wanted to MAKE SURE that I had his back in voting and stuff.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:44 PM): Second, when I brought up not voting for Abrams, he got really touchy.
spies4Naomi (3:57:54 PM): (misspelling and typos are a sign of someone hiding something, fyi)
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:57 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:04 PM): It means people are hasty and scattered.
spies4Naomi (3:58:14 PM): Ralph does it a lot
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:13 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:24 PM): I'm going to go talk to Ralph about the whole thing.
spies4Naomi (3:58:31 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (3:58:36 PM): I talked to him last night
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:36 PM): Wait... when'd he log off?
spies4Naomi (3:58:41 PM): about it
spies4Naomi (3:58:46 PM): idk
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:41 PM): Damn.
spies4Naomi (3:58:51 PM): he'll be back I'm sure
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:56 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:38 PM): Then explain it to me.
spies4Naomi (4:18:49 PM): Alright
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:46 PM): Why Beverly, and not Cain.
spies4Naomi (4:19:01 PM): Let's think a moment
spies4Naomi (4:19:23 PM): Beverly is acting...hmm...very noticable.
spies4Naomi (4:19:26 PM): right?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:19:25 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:19:31 PM): and cain, not so mcuh
spies4Naomi (4:19:34 PM): *much
spies4Naomi (4:19:46 PM): so with just that on hand, right cain would be perfect!
spies4Naomi (4:19:55 PM): but lets analyze further
spies4Naomi (4:20:13 PM): beverly set herself up to be able to hide something in plain sight.
spies4Naomi (4:20:25 PM): not a very citizen like move
spies4Naomi (4:21:12 PM): cain, is doing one of two things, he is either a spy who thinks it's best to remove himself, or a citizen who doesn't have a chance to participate yet.
spies4Naomi (4:21:23 PM): either way, you could put that one off
spies4Naomi (4:21:38 PM): because it's not like he's swaying anyone's opinion
spies4Naomi (4:21:46 PM): save it for later you know?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:21:47 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:22:05 PM): But with beverly, look how much influence she's garnered already!
spies4Naomi (4:22:14 PM): just by acting stupid!
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:11 PM): Right.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:21 PM): She's managed to get a rather large backing.
spies4Naomi (4:22:26 PM): she's a genius
spies4Naomi (4:22:57 PM): she knew that it would be the last thing to think of, thereby being my first to consider
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:06 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:23:37 PM): she is becoming too huge of a person, with too unstable of opinions, and it's not safe for us
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:39 PM): I think the whole Abrams making nice thing was to attempt to avoid being offed because of early suspicion.
spies4Naomi (4:23:53 PM): she has a mob now. and they follow her
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:15 PM): And the thing with her telling only a couple people about the Abrams thing was that she wanted to try and stir up the Abrams bandwagon.
spies4Naomi (4:24:32 PM): now do you see my point?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:43 PM): Indeed.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:52 PM): However, I need to remember one thing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:13 PM): As valid a point as it is, your fear of her could come from you being a spy, and scared of her voting power.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:30 PM): I'm not accusing you, just remarking that it's something that could come up.
spies4Naomi (4:26:03 PM): no, that's not what I'm worried about
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:07 PM): No, that's what I'M worried about.
spies4Naomi (4:26:29 PM): what I am concerned for is random spats she has with people, and the war that comes after it
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:26 PM): When random voting is going down, a character like Beverly is a HUGE problem for the spies.
spies4Naomi (4:26:44 PM): I will say this
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:54 PM): I think her random fights are her way of trying to figure out personalities.
spies4Naomi (4:27:02 PM): you are right, beverly puts a huge amount of pressure on the spies
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:01 PM): She's trying to get people to slip up.
spies4Naomi (4:27:09 PM): right
spies4Naomi (4:27:12 PM): I do like that
spies4Naomi (4:27:28 PM): but it only furthers my point that SHE'S NOT DUMB
spies4Naomi (4:27:43 PM): and if she's not dumb she's acting, and hiding something
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:59 PM): Personally, I thnk we benefit from having her around, at least in the short term
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:28:45 PM): Especially since the "random feuds" she keeps having could make certain people slip up and reveal something.
spies4Naomi (4:29:22 PM): or making innocent people suspicious
spies4Naomi (4:29:29 PM): remember abrams
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:34 PM): But it's day goddamn one.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:43 PM): Of course shit is going to go down that makes people suspicious.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:52 PM): But she provokes discussion that can give us clues.
spies4Naomi (4:30:13 PM): anyone can do that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:27 PM): Right, but they aren't.
spies4Naomi (4:30:41 PM): the fact that it's a clear as day suspect isn't helping though
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:49 PM): Here's my belief on why her feuds jump around.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:06 PM): Once she has seen or heard enough to clear a person, she moves on.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:23 PM): Once it became semi-clear that Abrams wasn't a spy, she droped that.
spies4Naomi (4:33:37 PM): well, just because of an apology?
spies4Naomi (4:33:44 PM): martha did that as well
spies4Naomi (4:40:00 PM): adelaide has a point
spies4Naomi (4:40:22 PM): it does create separation amongst us as well as pressure on the specific person
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:40:43 PM): Yeah.
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[Naomi]

The Birth of a New Union - Naomi and Jeremiah

Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:46 PM): Hey there.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:52 PM): I do believe we're neighbors.
spies4Naomi (3:47:15 PM): Oh hey
spies4Naomi (3:47:24 PM): I don't think we've talked yet!
spies4Naomi (3:47:30 PM): what's up?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:26 PM): We have not had that chance.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:40 PM): Well, I wanted to ask your reasoning about Martha and Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:51 PM): Personally, I don't suspect either of them, but why don't you?
spies4Naomi (3:48:52 PM): Ah
spies4Naomi (3:48:59 PM): I'm ready for that now lol
spies4Naomi (3:49:14 PM): it's because all of abrams tells are not spy tells
spies4Naomi (3:49:17 PM): they're noob tells
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:14 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:21 PM): That's what I've been telling everyone.
spies4Naomi (3:49:33 PM): overzealousness, poor word choice...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:30 PM): He may be an idiot, but idiot =! spy.
spies4Naomi (3:49:39 PM): right
spies4Naomi (3:49:42 PM): martha...
spies4Naomi (3:49:48 PM): well I can't vote her anyway
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:48 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:52 PM): Families and all.
spies4Naomi (3:50:01 PM): even if I could I'd give it a while first
spies4Naomi (3:50:15 PM): she's said spy like things, but not enough yet
spies4Naomi (3:50:24 PM): and it's all through the grapevine!
spies4Naomi (3:50:33 PM): I haven't had her trip up on me
spies4Naomi (3:50:39 PM): and I know her pretty well
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:50:48 PM): Ah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:04 PM): You mean you know who she is outside of the game?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:10 PM): Or just through talking.
spies4Naomi (3:51:53 PM): though talking
spies4Naomi (3:52:27 PM): what about you though?
spies4Naomi (3:52:34 PM): going for martha?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:37 PM): I've been thinking about it.
spies4Naomi (3:52:45 PM): you know there are 23 others to vote for
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:48 PM): However, I hate easy votes.
spies4Naomi (3:52:55 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:56 PM): It's why I don't want to vote Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:06 PM): Personally, I don't like Cain.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:11 PM): He does basically nothing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:26 PM): Also, the only post I've seen him make was to try and incriminate Abrams.
spies4Naomi (3:53:42 PM): I see it as all of cain martha and abrams are easy votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:00 PM): But at the same time, I don't want to make a throwaway vote.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:14 PM): Honestly, I think I'm leaning towards Cain for exile.
spies4Naomi (3:54:28 PM): I try and justify something on my own and seek out a different reason to vote someone other than the popular reasonings
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:33 PM): Yeah, same here.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:40 PM): Which is why I'm voting for Cain.
spies4Naomi (3:54:51 PM): I think cain would be a good safe bet. I doubt he's voted for someone
spies4Naomi (3:55:15 PM): and that you bring up that he tries to incriminate abrams is unique
spies4Naomi (3:55:19 PM): and good reasoning
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:31 PM): I'm going to wait for a couple hours to vote, but I'm pretty sure he's my choice.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:47 PM): Above all else, I just want to make sure Martha and Abrams don't get offed.
spies4Naomi (3:56:10 PM): good choice, I agree
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:13 PM): If you can talk to your family, I can talk to mine and Ralph's.
spies4Naomi (3:56:38 PM): ralph in particular has a 'gut feeling' about abrams...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:52 PM): I'm suspicious of Ralph too, though.
spies4Naomi (3:56:57 PM): we're not voting for abrams, I can tell you that
spies4Naomi (3:57:03 PM): why?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:59 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:11 PM): Well, first off, Ralph has been a bit dodgy.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:24 PM): First, he wanted to MAKE SURE that I had his back in voting and stuff.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:44 PM): Second, when I brought up not voting for Abrams, he got really touchy.
spies4Naomi (3:57:54 PM): (misspelling and typos are a sign of someone hiding something, fyi)
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:57 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:04 PM): It means people are hasty and scattered.
spies4Naomi (3:58:14 PM): Ralph does it a lot
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:13 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:24 PM): I'm going to go talk to Ralph about the whole thing.
spies4Naomi (3:58:31 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (3:58:36 PM): I talked to him last night
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:36 PM): Wait... when'd he log off?
spies4Naomi (3:58:41 PM): about it
spies4Naomi (3:58:46 PM): idk
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:41 PM): Damn.
spies4Naomi (3:58:51 PM): he'll be back I'm sure
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:56 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:38 PM): Then explain it to me.
spies4Naomi (4:18:49 PM): Alright
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:46 PM): Why Beverly, and not Cain.
spies4Naomi (4:19:01 PM): Let's think a moment
spies4Naomi (4:19:23 PM): Beverly is acting...hmm...very noticable.
spies4Naomi (4:19:26 PM): right?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:19:25 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:19:31 PM): and cain, not so mcuh
spies4Naomi (4:19:34 PM): *much
spies4Naomi (4:19:46 PM): so with just that on hand, right cain would be perfect!
spies4Naomi (4:19:55 PM): but lets analyze further
spies4Naomi (4:20:13 PM): beverly set herself up to be able to hide something in plain sight.
spies4Naomi (4:20:25 PM): not a very citizen like move
spies4Naomi (4:21:12 PM): cain, is doing one of two things, he is either a spy who thinks it's best to remove himself, or a citizen who doesn't have a chance to participate yet.
spies4Naomi (4:21:23 PM): either way, you could put that one off
spies4Naomi (4:21:38 PM): because it's not like he's swaying anyone's opinion
spies4Naomi (4:21:46 PM): save it for later you know?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:21:47 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:22:05 PM): But with beverly, look how much influence she's garnered already!
spies4Naomi (4:22:14 PM): just by acting stupid!
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:11 PM): Right.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:21 PM): She's managed to get a rather large backing.
spies4Naomi (4:22:26 PM): she's a genius
spies4Naomi (4:22:57 PM): she knew that it would be the last thing to think of, thereby being my first to consider
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:06 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:23:37 PM): she is becoming too huge of a person, with too unstable of opinions, and it's not safe for us
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:39 PM): I think the whole Abrams making nice thing was to attempt to avoid being offed because of early suspicion.
spies4Naomi (4:23:53 PM): she has a mob now. and they follow her
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:15 PM): And the thing with her telling only a couple people about the Abrams thing was that she wanted to try and stir up the Abrams bandwagon.
spies4Naomi (4:24:32 PM): now do you see my point?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:43 PM): Indeed.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:52 PM): However, I need to remember one thing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:13 PM): As valid a point as it is, your fear of her could come from you being a spy, and scared of her voting power.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:30 PM): I'm not accusing you, just remarking that it's something that could come up.
spies4Naomi (4:26:03 PM): no, that's not what I'm worried about
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:07 PM): No, that's what I'M worried about.
spies4Naomi (4:26:29 PM): what I am concerned for is random spats she has with people, and the war that comes after it
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:26 PM): When random voting is going down, a character like Beverly is a HUGE problem for the spies.
spies4Naomi (4:26:44 PM): I will say this
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:54 PM): I think her random fights are her way of trying to figure out personalities.
spies4Naomi (4:27:02 PM): you are right, beverly puts a huge amount of pressure on the spies
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:01 PM): She's trying to get people to slip up.
spies4Naomi (4:27:09 PM): right
spies4Naomi (4:27:12 PM): I do like that
spies4Naomi (4:27:28 PM): but it only furthers my point that SHE'S NOT DUMB
spies4Naomi (4:27:43 PM): and if she's not dumb she's acting, and hiding something
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:59 PM): Personally, I thnk we benefit from having her around, at least in the short term
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:28:45 PM): Especially since the "random feuds" she keeps having could make certain people slip up and reveal something.
spies4Naomi (4:29:22 PM): or making innocent people suspicious
spies4Naomi (4:29:29 PM): remember abrams
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:34 PM): But it's day goddamn one.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:43 PM): Of course shit is going to go down that makes people suspicious.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:52 PM): But she provokes discussion that can give us clues.
spies4Naomi (4:30:13 PM): anyone can do that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:27 PM): Right, but they aren't.
spies4Naomi (4:30:41 PM): the fact that it's a clear as day suspect isn't helping though
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:49 PM): Here's my belief on why her feuds jump around.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:06 PM): Once she has seen or heard enough to clear a person, she moves on.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:23 PM): Once it became semi-clear that Abrams wasn't a spy, she droped that.
spies4Naomi (4:33:37 PM): well, just because of an apology?
spies4Naomi (4:33:44 PM): martha did that as well
spies4Naomi (4:40:00 PM): adelaide has a point
spies4Naomi (4:40:22 PM): it does create separation amongst us as well as pressure on the specific person
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:40:43 PM): Yeah.
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Spies4 Jeremiah (9:17:25 PM): You're the Tiebreaker, correct?
spies4Naomi (9:17:38 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:17:41 PM): Who'd you vote?
spies4Naomi (9:18:07 PM): beverly
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:06 PM): I'm just trying to get a sense, just because I don't want Martha going down in a tie, when there's no need for it to happen.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:08 PM): Oh, okay.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:27 PM): If it came down to Martha and Kiyoshi, who would you cast your vote for?
spies4Naomi (9:18:38 PM): ouch
spies4Naomi (9:18:40 PM): martha
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:38 PM): Why?
spies4Naomi (9:19:00 PM): because she has said really really spy-sounding things
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:19:00 PM): Honestly, we need to be able to remove the inactives, so that we have the full power of our voting for the next days.
spies4Naomi (9:19:09 PM): let me get back to you
spies4Naomi (9:23:22 PM): Ok
spies4Naomi (9:23:42 PM): the way sam has this little game rigged...inactives will clear themselves
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:23:45 PM): No.
spies4Naomi (9:23:51 PM): the vote on inactive is a waste
spies4Naomi (9:24:00 PM): how not?
spies4Naomi (9:24:05 PM): now I will give you this
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:05 PM): They get SELF-VOTES.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:23 PM): Meaning that the round in which an inactive ejects himself is a wasted exile day due to being voted out by himself.
spies4Naomi (9:24:41 PM): if kiyoshi voted! And did NOT recieve self votes, then he is my biggest suspect
spies4Naomi (9:24:43 PM): no no no
spies4Naomi (9:24:49 PM): well, kinda
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:48 PM): Yes.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:25:11 PM): Self votes will destroy our voting power in later days until he is removed.
spies4Naomi (9:25:23 PM): look, the goal then is to get more votes on someone else for that exile then, and remember after the third one, they just get removed
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:25:35 PM): No, did you read what sam said in the inactive penalties.
spies4Naomi (9:25:58 PM): "No I completely ignored that~?~" OF COURSE I DID
spies4Naomi (9:26:06 PM): we just see it differently
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:06 PM): they would get 5,000 self-votes at the next Exile and be eliminated then.
spies4Naomi (9:26:20 PM): *sigh*
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:16 PM): See, only one person gets voted out in an exile.
spies4Naomi (9:26:26 PM): you're not understanding
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:27 PM): No, I am.
spies4Naomi (9:26:39 PM): at the third time they don't vote, they're simply removed
spies4Naomi (9:26:46 PM): no wasted exile
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:00 PM): There's no chance it'll get to that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:13 PM): The second day that he does nothing, he gets fourteen self-votes.
spies4Naomi (9:27:24 PM): what?
spies4Naomi (9:27:24 PM): no
spies4Naomi (9:27:28 PM): he gets 10
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:34 PM): Plus the four for not posting conversations.
spies4Naomi (9:27:46 PM): hmm
spies4Naomi (9:27:50 PM): that's true...
spies4Naomi (9:27:52 PM): ok jere
spies4Naomi (9:27:59 PM): this is what I'll do
spies4Naomi (9:28:06 PM): you bring up a good point
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:03 PM): Honestly, if it wasn't like this, I wouldn't be pushing for his removal.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:08 PM): I don't like voting inactives.
spies4Naomi (9:28:20 PM): but I really think that we can wait until after this exile
spies4Naomi (9:28:24 PM): then we'll do his
spies4Naomi (9:28:31 PM): there's no reason for it now
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:27 PM): But when they have the ability to ruin later votes, they become huge problems.
spies4Naomi (9:28:51 PM): He's only got that one exile to ruin votes
spies4Naomi (9:28:55 PM): after that he's gone
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:29:08 PM): Yes, but that's still one more exile than I care to waste.
spies4Naomi (9:30:50 PM): why waste this one?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:30:58 PM): We have dick for evidence right now.
spies4Naomi (9:31:18 PM): *sigh* turue
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:15 PM): First Votes are always wasted.
spies4Naomi (9:31:20 PM): *true
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:22 PM): Why waste a second one when we can help it?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:42 PM): Besides, either he voted, in which case WTF, he's done, or he gets eight self-votes and is fucked.
spies4Naomi (9:31:50 PM): I honestly think kiyoshi can just be replaced.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:57 PM): Probably not going to happen.
spies4Naomi (9:32:08 PM): sam wouldn't screw the cits like that!
spies4Naomi (9:32:18 PM): he'll try at least
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:32:25 PM): Given the large number of players, and the fact that Sherri had to take an early imprisonment, I'd say that there aren't any replacements around.
spies4Naomi (9:32:35 PM): and I think that's better than a dead citizen...because chances are that he is
spies4Naomi (9:33:00 PM): ah...this sucks
spies4Naomi (9:33:04 PM): I'm gonna have to say
spies4Naomi (9:33:26 PM): ok, I see your logic, but I'm watching those on that wagon carefully
spies4Naomi (9:33:39 PM): kiyoshi is the easiest vote right now
spies4Naomi (9:33:46 PM): and a wagon will form
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:45:52 PM): Down to you, girl.
spies4Naomi (9:46:12 PM): oh.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:46:13 PM): Martha is the bandwagon right now, and Kiyoshi was my plan to get her saved.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:46:20 PM): Emma voted for Kiyoshi.
spies4Naomi (9:47:21 PM): my stomach hurts...
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:47:33 PM): Holy shit.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:47:37 PM): HO
spies4Naomi (9:56:50 PM): ugh...
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:56:54 PM): You guys screwed the pooch.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:56:56 PM): Big time.
spies4Naomi (9:57:04 PM): I would've gone kiyoshi
spies4Naomi (9:57:07 PM): had it been a tie
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:12 PM): Yes, but that doesn't matter.
spies4Naomi (9:57:19 PM): you convinced me there
spies4Naomi (9:57:27 PM): it was close jere, very
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:41 PM): IT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSE WHEN SOMEONE RACKS UP SEVEN GOD DAMN SELF VOTES.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:59 PM): Especially when someone made the mistake of telling someone that he didn't trust them.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:11 PM): In all honesty, this is Beverly's fault.
spies4Naomi (9:58:40 PM): what?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:38 PM): She blew this the hell up, and she is the reason we offed a citizen.
spies4Naomi (9:59:20 PM): well...I told you that she creates that rift
spies4Naomi (9:59:25 PM): but forget it
spies4Naomi (9:59:31 PM): it wouldn't have mattered
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:37 PM): Nah, I understand.
spies4Naomi (9:59:48 PM): that really stressed me out
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:56 PM): I fucked up in that sense, but there's no way we could have offed Beverly today.
spies4Naomi (10:00:05 PM): it's just a game, yet I am having trouble breathing...
spies4Naomi (10:00:14 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:00:25 PM): Now we have to beat god damn twelve to fourteen self votes just to actually get a decent god damn exile.
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:00:31 PM): Tomorrow is fucked.
spies4Naomi (10:00:39 PM): no no
spies4Naomi (10:00:50 PM): let's put our heads together on something
spies4Naomi (10:00:55 PM): we'll find something, ok?
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:01:09 PM): I'm going to petition sam to instantly remove Kiyoshi without self-votes if he doesn't vote tomorrow.
spies4Naomi (10:01:49 PM): if we find evidence on someone, very incriminating evidence, then those votes won't matter
spies4Naomi (10:02:10 PM): and we'll have the first spies game to beat the second time around self votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:02:09 PM): But if shit gets fractured, then Kiyo gets to control the vote through inactivity.
spies4Naomi (10:02:34 PM): I can see this happening; we won't let it fracture
spies4Naomi (10:02:44 PM): I'll work something up ok jere? You with me?
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:02:53 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (10:03:18 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (10:03:24 PM): I'll think of something
spies4Naomi (10:03:32 PM): we need unity to get through the next exile
spies4Naomi (10:03:37 PM): and I got just the idea
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:03:39 PM): Yeah?
spies4Naomi (10:04:12 PM): remember Sherri. She said we have to stick together. I can use her dying words to fix this
spies4Naomi (10:04:30 PM): she obviously knew something, she had a deal with the moderator
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:04:28 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:04:53 PM): In the meantime, I'm going to try to talk to Sam and see if he can help us prevent a ruined vote by inactivity.
spies4Naomi (10:05:08 PM): ok jere
spies4Naomi (10:05:22 PM): I think we can get through the next one man
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:05:24 PM): Yeah.

[Naomi]

I am exhausted! This exile stressed me out considerably! And after writing the f***ing citizen manifesto I can't take much more.

spies4.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=theburg88ajv&action=display&thread=1192074378&page=1#1192074378


there it is. It's a monster, and I'm proud of it. Even if I were really a citizen, I'd feel this way. *sigh* It's a great piece.

[Martha]

admin said:

I read that, it's good. Thank you for posting your thoughts - they are really illuminating and I enjoy reading them. It really shows the game from your perspective.


Any updates on what happened with Martha? Do you know if she did it to anyone else? That was before you knew who the Spies were for sure right?

I think I did it to half a dozen people, but as a joke. If I'd known I'd actually got a genuine spy I would've had it circulating between Abrams, Faizah, Hannah and others faster than you could say Jack Rabbit Slims...

[Masaki]

oh my god I forgot about he Martha thing! That could've been bad if you slipped up.

See, we didn't get a list of who was in our group like in typical Mafia games. Sam just said "Reveal yourselves to your fellow Spies"

[Beverly]

He does that every season, Mistaki.

[Masaki]

He must've spared me last time, then!

[Naomi]

Well apparently to martha, me doing the complete opposite of what a citizen would do proved my innocence... lol

[Martha]

naomi said:

Well apparently to martha, me doing the complete opposite of what a citizen would do proved my innocence... lol

Eh? Wassat? I was amazed when you turned out to be a spy, but that had nothing to do with anything that was "the complete opposite of what a citizen would do" as far as I can recall...?

[Ralph]

LOVE URE THOUGHT

[Naomi]

LOVE MAI RALPH!

No Martha, about that convo after roles. I was a total noob but you didn't know. I was totally conspiring with you and it came off as sarcasm because you assumed I was a citizen. THAT'S what I was referring too.

[Martha]

naomi said:

LOVE MAI RALPH!

No Martha, about that convo after roles. I was a total noob but you didn't know. I was totally conspiring with you and it came off as sarcasm because you assumed I was a citizen. THAT'S what I was referring too.

It didn't make any impression on me one way or the other. I wasn't assuming anything based on it. [FYI, in my first Loser's Lounge post, which was the day after I'd posted my "final words" and when I'd had a chance to really think about my exile, I posted a top suspect list of six people, four of whom (you, Masaki, Angie and Faizah) were spies. But after that I briefly switched from Angie to Adelaide (until after Ralph's exile, when it became really obvious Angie was a spy) and became less and less suspicious of you, so my spy picks actually went downhill for a while.]

As amazing as it seems now, I assumed for the entire course of the game that you were Blake (Bev)!

Oh, and LOVE MOI RALPH too. Who, thanks to the Loser's Lounge, is now Martha's adopted son.