Post by Kip on Nov 5, 2007 1:54:31 GMT -5
Summer
spies4kip (12:33:55 AM): hello
spies4Summer (12:34:05 AM): Hi Kip
spies4Summer (12:34:08 AM): How are you?
spies4kip (12:34:17 AM): im alright, you?
spies4Summer (12:34:42 AM): Happy
spies4Summer (12:34:44 AM): We got a spy out!!!
spies4kip (12:34:46 AM): yeah i saw!!!
spies4kip (12:34:53 AM): its exciting
spies4Summer (12:34:55 AM): It's great
spies4kip (12:34:59 AM): though i didnt vote for naomi
spies4Summer (12:35:04 AM): I know
spies4kip (12:35:06 AM): well, i couldnt...
spies4Summer (12:35:10 AM): Cain was a legitimate vote though
spies4Summer (12:35:14 AM): Oh right
spies4Summer (12:35:17 AM): Family ties
spies4kip (12:35:21 AM): but i wouldnt have
spies4kip (12:35:23 AM): if i could have
spies4kip (12:35:27 AM): if that makes sense
spies4kip (12:35:43 AM): i wasnt sold on her 100%, though i suspected her
spies4Summer (12:35:50 AM): Well watch out for Adelaide
spies4Summer (12:35:59 AM): Tomorrow she'll make a thread about how you're suspicious for not voting Naomi
spies4Summer (12:36:02 AM): I bet you $10
spies4kip (12:36:04 AM): heh
spies4kip (12:36:13 AM): though she was all gung ho on cain
spies4kip (12:36:34 AM): and i mean, she told me she would never vote naomi before cain
spies4kip (12:36:36 AM): and i quote
spies4Summer (12:36:58 AM): Well we had a group chat today
spies4Summer (12:37:30 AM): Adelaide was there
spies4Summer (12:37:43 AM): And the consensus was that Naomi was as likely a spy as Cain
spies4Summer (12:37:52 AM): And that so long as Naomi was still around, the votes would be fractured
spies4kip (12:37:57 AM): true
spies4kip (12:38:01 AM): i agree with that
spies4Summer (12:38:07 AM): Yes I think Candy made that point
spies4kip (12:38:08 AM): shes been a target for a while
spies4Summer (12:38:13 AM): She's very effective
spies4kip (12:38:22 AM): i dont have a read on cady
spies4kip (12:38:25 AM): candy*
spies4kip (12:38:28 AM): id love to trust her
spies4Summer (12:38:33 AM): You've been in this game for what, a week?
spies4Summer (12:38:36 AM): Less
spies4Summer (12:38:38 AM): Few days
spies4kip (12:38:37 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:38:51 AM): Well it does help clarify a lot
spies4Summer (12:38:57 AM): We have a lot of information now
spies4Summer (12:39:13 AM): Things like how Angelica was telling the truth
spies4Summer (12:39:22 AM): How orthodoxy spies would have wanted to vote Naomi last round
spies4Summer (12:39:41 AM): How a 4th spy wanted Martha out in round 1
spies4kip (12:39:55 AM): yeah, see this is all stuff i dont have the full story on
spies4kip (12:40:01 AM): cuz lots of it is dicussed in AIM
spies4kip (12:40:16 AM): i just feel like im a few pages behind everyone right now
spies4kip (12:41:05 AM): and its annoying when people like cain and leon and others dont talk to me
spies4Summer (12:41:11 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (12:41:11 AM): *rolls eyes*
spies4Summer (12:41:12 AM): Or anyone
spies4kip (12:41:13 AM): yeah
spies4kip (12:41:30 AM): youd think people would want to fill me in
spies4Summer (12:41:36 AM): Okay okay!!
spies4Summer (12:41:38 AM): So in round 1
spies4kip (12:41:37 AM): why have a clueless person around
spies4kip (12:41:41 AM): haha no no
spies4kip (12:41:53 AM): i didnt mean like an entire game summary ><
spies4Summer (12:42:04 AM): No no this is relevant
spies4kip (12:42:06 AM): ok
spies4Summer (12:42:15 AM): In round 1 the votes were split
spies4Summer (12:42:20 AM): Everyone knew Kiyoshi was inactive
spies4Summer (12:42:33 AM): A bunch of people, led by Lloyd and Jeremiah, tried to vote him out
spies4kip (12:42:40 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:42:44 AM): Another bunch of people, led by Beverly, said "Martha is a spy and we should vote her out"
spies4kip (12:42:48 AM): then changed
spies4Summer (12:42:55 AM): No one changed
spies4kip (12:43:14 AM): i meant lloyd and jer did, right?
spies4kip (12:43:19 AM): cuz kiyoshi slipped
spies4kip (12:43:21 AM): and martha went
spies4Summer (12:43:31 AM): It was a tight vote
spies4Summer (12:43:41 AM): With Kiyoshi's self-votes it came down to 15-13 I think
spies4Summer (12:43:57 AM): Very tight
spies4Summer (12:44:07 AM): There were some people who didn't vote for Martha or Kiyoshi
spies4Summer (12:44:11 AM): This is the good part
spies4Summer (12:44:20 AM): Naomi, Leon, and Masaki were in Martha's family
spies4Summer (12:44:25 AM): According to the rules they couldn't vote for her
spies4Summer (12:44:27 AM): BUT
spies4Summer (12:44:34 AM): They didn't vote Kiyoshi to save her
spies4Summer (12:44:45 AM): If they had voted Kiyoshi, the vote would have been 16-15 Kiyoshi-Martha
spies4Summer (12:44:52 AM): Kiyoshi would have been exiled
spies4kip (12:44:59 AM): masaki told me he wanted to save the inactives
spies4Summer (12:45:06 AM): Masaki ....
spies4Summer (12:45:09 AM): We'll talk about him later
spies4kip (12:45:14 AM): figured you had enough people to override the penalty votes
spies4kip (12:45:21 AM): until you were forced to remove them
spies4kip (12:45:35 AM): also went on to say taht raplph organized the martha movement
spies4kip (12:45:38 AM): to be exiled
spies4Summer (12:46:23 AM): I think they're lying
spies4Summer (12:46:24 AM): Look at it
spies4Summer (12:46:26 AM): Emma voted Martha
spies4Summer (12:46:29 AM): Beverly voted Martha
spies4kip (12:46:31 AM): he also said that at first jer wanted bev, then went for abrams, finally settled on kiyoshi
spies4Summer (12:46:32 AM): Angelica voted Martha
spies4Summer (12:46:42 AM): Naomi voted so her vote wouldn't help Martha stay in
spies4kip (12:46:46 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:46:53 AM): That's why tonight was great
spies4Summer (12:46:56 AM): It helped clear that up even more
spies4kip (12:47:09 AM): all spies voted to have martha go
spies4kip (12:47:16 AM): even when they couldnt
spies4kip (12:47:23 AM): just threw the vote away
spies4kip (12:47:24 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:47:38 AM): Well I voted Lloyd and Candy voted Bunni
spies4Summer (12:47:47 AM): But everyone else voted Martha Kiyoshi or in Martha's family's case, Beverly
spies4kip (12:48:48 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:49:07 AM): Also now we understand why Naomi voted Damon last round
spies4Summer (12:49:19 AM): Her group made the decision to sacrifice Naomi and keep Beverly
spies4kip (12:49:32 AM): and it backfired
spies4Summer (12:49:39 AM): So I think that if you look at who voted Martha in round 1 and who voted Naomi in round 5 you'll find your 4th Traditionalist spy
spies4Summer (12:50:03 AM): This is huge
spies4kip (12:50:18 AM): and who does that leave?
spies4Summer (12:50:32 AM): Well let's look
spies4Summer (12:50:36 AM): Well it leaves 2 orthodoxy spies
spies4kip (12:50:51 AM): well i meant who voted martha and naomi
spies4kip (12:50:59 AM): thats still here
spies4Summer (12:51:17 AM): Right, let's look
spies4Summer (12:51:22 AM): The voting thread is in the public grounds
spies4kip (12:51:26 AM): MARTHA (14): Emma, Johan, Lise, Zander, Ralph, Beverly, Gordy, Hannah, Angelica, Cain, Kip, Madison, Singe, Faizah
spies4Summer (12:51:27 AM): It doesn't include this round's votes
spies4kip (12:52:16 AM): Johan, Zander, , Hannah, Cain, Kip, Madison, Singe, Faizah
spies4kip (12:52:19 AM): for martha
spies4Summer (12:52:34 AM): Right ... you can take yourself out though
spies4Summer (12:52:39 AM): If you know you're not a spy
spies4Summer (12:52:41 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (12:52:48 AM): Johan, Zander, Hannah, Cain, Madison, Singe, Faizah
spies4kip (12:52:49 AM):
spies4Summer (12:53:21 AM): And last round ...
spies4Summer (12:53:31 AM): NAOMI (7): Cain, Gordy, Leon, Zander, Masaki, Beverly, Faizah
spies4kip (12:53:47 AM): so cain, zander, faizah
spies4Summer (12:53:58 AM): I'm including Masaki
spies4kip (12:54:06 AM): ok
spies4kip (12:54:17 AM): so four names
spies4Summer (12:54:26 AM): His vote could have been for Martha by default, like Naomi's
spies4kip (12:54:31 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:54:34 AM): And note
spies4Summer (12:54:36 AM): Cain is one of them
spies4kip (12:54:40 AM): yes
spies4kip (12:55:17 AM): think is could be zander of faizah?
spies4Summer (12:55:27 AM): Faizah seemed pretty duped by Beverly
spies4Summer (12:55:33 AM): It could have been a clever post-exile ploy
spies4kip (12:55:33 AM): they seemed really close
spies4kip (12:55:47 AM): and i doubt two spies in the same group would make such an apparent closeness
spies4Summer (12:55:51 AM): And it's not to say that Faizah isn't an orthodoxy spy
spies4kip (12:55:52 AM): true
spies4kip (12:55:58 AM): but i dont think shes a trad
spies4kip (12:56:01 AM): cuz of that
spies4Summer (12:56:15 AM): I agree
spies4kip (12:56:22 AM): as for zander... i dunno
spies4kip (12:56:27 AM): i havent spoken to him
spies4Summer (12:56:32 AM): I'm on and off about Zander
spies4kip (12:56:40 AM): he was actually one of my three undecideds
spies4Summer (12:56:47 AM): I don't have anything that ties him to Beverly or Angelica
spies4kip (12:56:50 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:56:52 AM): But that in of itself is weird
spies4Summer (12:56:58 AM): It's 4 weeks in
spies4Summer (12:57:02 AM): There should be something
spies4Summer (12:57:07 AM): Then again Naomi and Beverly ...
spies4kip (12:57:09 AM): you'd want to appear distant, but close to your fellow spies
spies4Summer (12:57:37 AM): It's weird because all I can remember of Naomi-Beverly interaction is Beverly calling Naomi a cunt
spies4kip (12:58:12 AM): think it could possibly be damon? naomi was all over him
spies4kip (12:58:21 AM): as bev and naomi were apart
spies4Summer (12:58:24 AM): Oh right Damon didn't vote in round 1 and was replaced later
spies4Summer (12:58:37 AM): He should be on the list too
spies4kip (12:58:37 AM): he voted bev too
spies4Summer (12:58:40 AM): Well he voted Bev
spies4kip (12:58:42 AM): but still
spies4Summer (12:58:50 AM): No really Kip
spies4kip (12:58:55 AM): when two spies are up, you'd want to split, right?
spies4Summer (12:59:01 AM): No
spies4Summer (12:59:07 AM): Not when the plan is to keep one of them in
spies4Summer (12:59:21 AM): The plan last round, I think, was "Keep Beverly in"
spies4Summer (12:59:28 AM): She knew it was a close vote
spies4Summer (12:59:35 AM): Right before she told me her vote count was 8-8
spies4kip (12:59:46 AM): alright
spies4kip (12:59:54 AM): so damon's off
spies4Summer (1:00:02 AM): For the traditionalists
spies4Summer (1:00:05 AM): Not for the orthodoxy
spies4Summer (1:00:09 AM): Everyone's still on that lsit
spies4kip (1:00:11 AM): which leaves zander, cain and masaki for trads
spies4Summer (1:00:30 AM): All 3 are very tempting
spies4Summer (1:00:32 AM): I can see it being any of them
spies4kip (1:00:34 AM): agreed
spies4Summer (1:00:45 AM): Did you see Masaki's critiques?
spies4kip (1:00:47 AM): but the one thing i cant get over... is the gov files
spies4kip (1:00:56 AM): why would cain make them?
spies4kip (1:01:09 AM): not just cain
spies4kip (1:01:14 AM): why would anyone make them
spies4kip (1:01:19 AM): to appear helpful right?
spies4Summer (1:01:23 AM): Well it is helpful to have it organized that way
spies4Summer (1:01:23 AM): Yes
spies4kip (1:01:28 AM): he goes out of his way
spies4kip (1:01:30 AM): makes them
spies4kip (1:01:33 AM): sam loves the idea
spies4kip (1:01:36 AM): makes a subboard
spies4kip (1:01:48 AM): yet, to this day, name three things cain posted in them
spies4kip (1:01:51 AM): of any value?
spies4Summer (1:02:27 AM): None
spies4Summer (1:02:30 AM): It's a valid point
spies4Summer (1:02:46 AM): Cain is all around a great suspect
spies4Summer (1:02:52 AM): You look at the thread where he's being accused
spies4Summer (1:02:58 AM): That is excellent analysis
spies4kip (1:03:31 AM): it just appears to me
spies4kip (1:03:40 AM): that cain got this brillant idea to look helpful
spies4kip (1:03:55 AM): but didnt think it through and before he knew it, his creation took on a life of its own
spies4kip (1:04:00 AM): grew so big and was loved
spies4kip (1:04:05 AM): that he was in over his head
spies4Summer (1:04:07 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:04:17 AM): cuz now, he has to make up suspicions
spies4kip (1:04:19 AM): and post them
spies4kip (1:04:58 AM): and they'd be half assed suspicions at best, cuz if hes a spy, he knows who they are (well some of them)
spies4kip (1:05:04 AM): so he'll be bias
spies4kip (1:05:16 AM): its gotta be hard to do that, so he just didnt post
spies4kip (1:05:22 AM): thats what i think on it anyway
spies4kip (1:06:29 AM): now, masaki's critiques... *looks*
spies4Summer (1:06:49 AM): You'll know it when you see it
spies4kip (1:08:10 AM): the fatemaker one?
spies4Summer (1:08:17 AM): Yes
spies4kip (1:08:26 AM): now, im off on this, what exactly is the fate maker
spies4kip (1:08:33 AM): the person who split the groups?
spies4Summer (1:08:35 AM): No one knows
spies4Summer (1:08:39 AM): Well that's apparent
spies4Summer (1:08:52 AM): The critique says that the fatemaka is the schism maka too
spies4Summer (1:09:03 AM): Or Shizzle Maker as Adelaide would call it
spies4kip (1:09:11 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:09:25 AM): Other than that, no idea
spies4Summer (1:09:34 AM): But whoever it is
spies4Summer (1:09:37 AM): They suspect Masaki
spies4kip (1:09:39 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:09:59 AM): And the spies know about the role
spies4Summer (1:10:02 AM): Because Angelica mentioned it
spies4kip (1:10:18 AM): yeah she did
spies4Summer (1:10:44 AM): The other post was interesting too
spies4Summer (1:10:50 AM): The one on how Masaki is a fence sitter and an appeaser
spies4kip (1:11:36 AM): yeah which is a valid critique
spies4kip (1:11:42 AM): cuz he does appear to be doing that
spies4Summer (1:12:35 AM): I agree
spies4Summer (1:12:58 AM): That one's one of my favorites
spies4Summer (1:13:18 AM): It's better than the others that go "I just don't know about you, you sometimes seem like a citizen and sometimes you don't ..."
spies4kip (1:13:32 AM): you'd think spies would send some lame critiques
spies4kip (1:13:38 AM): as to not help people
spies4Summer (1:13:51 AM): Hmmm
spies4kip (1:14:00 AM): one thing to watch though with these...
spies4Summer (1:14:11 AM): Well keep in mind that one group gets to control all the imprisonments once the other is gone
spies4kip (1:14:20 AM): for the critiques that were like "if you're a spy, you need to start..." etc
spies4kip (1:14:32 AM): if someone takes that to heart and acts on it
spies4Summer (1:14:49 AM): *Giggle*
spies4Summer (1:14:51 AM): I didn't think about that
spies4Summer (1:15:10 AM): Kip v.1 got a critique
spies4kip (1:15:15 AM): yeah hehe
spies4Summer (1:15:45 AM): Did they help you clarify any ideas?
spies4kip (1:16:16 AM): kips critique?
spies4Summer (1:16:22 AM): Oh no
spies4Summer (1:16:25 AM): All the critiques
spies4kip (1:16:37 AM): i havent read them all yet
spies4kip (1:16:41 AM): almost finished though
spies4kip (1:17:48 AM): what about you?
spies4Summer (1:17:58 AM): Some have helped a little
spies4Summer (1:19:11 AM): Madison's ...
spies4Summer (1:19:32 AM): Well for one thing it's made me realize just how many quiet people there are
spies4kip (1:19:36 AM): ill skip to hers
spies4Summer (1:19:47 AM): I can summarize Madisons' for you
spies4Summer (1:19:49 AM): "Participate"
spies4Summer (1:19:54 AM): All of them basically say that
spies4Summer (1:20:05 AM): The general trend here though is that the quiet players aren't suspected
spies4Summer (1:20:15 AM): Madison, Johan, Abrams ...
spies4Summer (1:20:21 AM): No one's going "You're a spy"
spies4Summer (1:20:25 AM): They're going "Where are you?"
spies4kip (1:20:28 AM): exactly
spies4kip (1:20:32 AM): and it makes it hard on us
spies4Summer (1:20:38 AM): Completely
spies4Summer (1:20:47 AM): And I've realized I'm in this mindset too
spies4kip (1:20:48 AM): cuz they're never here to incriminate themselves if they are spies
spies4kip (1:20:51 AM): or help if they arent
spies4Summer (1:20:54 AM): Of extending them the benefit of the doubt
spies4Summer (1:21:06 AM): Except for Cain
spies4kip (1:22:10 AM): ok well i have a question for you
spies4Summer (1:22:22 AM): Shoot
spies4kip (1:22:35 AM): if you never talked online, and just read the board, who would you have thought this last vote was going to be for?
spies4kip (1:22:59 AM): for that matter, any of the votes
spies4Summer (1:23:07 AM): I see where you're going
spies4kip (1:23:12 AM): i wouldve thought cain this round, for sure
spies4Summer (1:23:14 AM): Round 1 I would have said Kiyoshi
spies4kip (1:23:19 AM): naomi the off chance
spies4Summer (1:23:22 AM): Round 2 no idea
spies4Summer (1:23:34 AM): Round 3 ... questionable part 1 and Ralph part 2
spies4Summer (1:23:39 AM): Round 4 Angelica for sure
spies4Summer (1:23:44 AM): Round 5 Beverly
spies4Summer (1:23:50 AM): Round 6 Cain
spies4kip (1:24:08 AM): now, for the people who never show up, who knew the vote was for someone else?
spies4Summer (1:24:10 AM): And you know who fits this
spies4Summer (1:24:12 AM): Abrams
spies4Summer (1:24:26 AM): Which works in his favor, sort of
spies4kip (1:24:39 AM): if you're a spy, you know who the vote will be for
spies4Summer (1:24:43 AM): It sort of indicates he's not having spies brief him
spies4kip (1:24:43 AM): im sure they post it
spies4kip (1:24:49 AM): in their little forum or whatever
spies4Summer (1:24:52 AM): Yeah
spies4Summer (1:25:02 AM): But if you ONLY paid attention to the burg ...
spies4kip (1:25:18 AM): so people who just follow THE BURG
spies4kip (1:25:22 AM): are prolly not spies
spies4Summer (1:25:35 AM): Abrams voted Kiyoshi, Ralph, Angelica, Beverly and Cain
spies4Summer (1:25:37 AM): No joke
spies4Summer (1:25:55 AM): Weird
spies4Summer (1:25:58 AM): I never even thought about that
spies4Summer (1:26:27 AM): This is what annoys me the most about Abrams
spies4Summer (1:26:35 AM): There are so many things working in his favor right now
spies4Summer (1:26:48 AM): The way he's voted, who's voted for him, who's accused him ...
spies4Summer (1:27:00 AM): But he himself is not doing anything to either prove he's a citizen or to catch spies
spies4Summer (1:27:09 AM): On paper, he's the perfect citizen
spies4Summer (1:27:13 AM): In reality, he does nothing
spies4Summer (1:27:27 AM): Does this make sense?
spies4kip (1:27:28 AM): yeah
spies4kip (1:27:50 AM): now anyway, my point is that the "inactives" that just blindly follow the burg with no knowledge are prolly not spies
spies4kip (1:27:57 AM): yes theyre useless
spies4kip (1:28:01 AM): but not spies
spies4Summer (1:28:10 AM): I'll agree with you there
spies4Summer (1:28:14 AM): Well
spies4Summer (1:28:16 AM): Except for Emma
spies4Summer (1:28:17 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:28:17 AM): thus, in my eyes, not worth an exile.... yet
spies4Summer (1:28:28 AM): Weirdest spy ever.
spies4kip (1:28:29 AM): haha
spies4kip (1:28:30 AM): yeah
spies4kip (1:28:39 AM): and that brings me to this point...
spies4kip (1:28:45 AM): say you have an idler spy
spies4kip (1:28:54 AM): they show up, vote, but dont really talk
spies4kip (1:29:01 AM): when the active spies do end up going
spies4kip (1:29:05 AM): they'll come out
spies4kip (1:29:08 AM): gaurenteed
spies4kip (1:29:21 AM): look at spies one, you had 3 spies, 2 super active, and one not
spies4Summer (1:29:33 AM): All right
spies4kip (1:29:38 AM): the two actives got pegged and went, so mercedes steps up, way suspicious, and boom
spies4Summer (1:30:07 AM): So you think we'll see more from Cain if he is a spy?
spies4Summer (1:30:12 AM): Because now he's responsible for himself?
spies4kip (1:30:13 AM): yeah
spies4kip (1:30:17 AM): if hes the lone trad
spies4kip (1:30:45 AM): i mean, if he never talks how will he kno who are threats to him?
spies4kip (1:30:53 AM): reading isnt everythng
spies4Summer (1:30:56 AM): So true
spies4kip (1:30:59 AM): half the game is off the board
spies4Summer (1:31:18 AM): Sometimes more than that
spies4kip (1:31:21 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:31:23 AM): This round was pretty much off the board
spies4kip (1:31:25 AM): totally
spies4Summer (1:31:32 AM): That's why you didn't know who to vote for
spies4Summer (1:31:35 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:31:46 AM): had i been here this afternoon, i wouldve known
spies4kip (1:31:51 AM): but sundays are my bad days
spies4Summer (1:32:15 AM): From what I've seen so far, the most noteworthy stuff happens on exile days
spies4kip (1:32:21 AM): appears so
spies4kip (1:32:32 AM): which is why im bumming about wednesday
spies4kip (1:32:34 AM): i work
spies4kip (1:32:52 AM): i work nights
spies4Summer (1:33:11 AM): So do I
spies4Summer (1:33:20 AM): Well, I work veyr late
spies4Summer (1:33:26 AM): I mean
spies4Summer (1:33:31 AM): I study late ....
spies4Summer (1:33:33 AM):
spies4Summer (1:33:45 AM): I think that's the first time I've broken character
spies4Summer (1:33:59 AM): Sigh
spies4kip (1:34:01 AM): haha
spies4kip (1:34:02 AM): its fine
spies4kip (1:34:14 AM): in my opinion
spies4kip (1:34:19 AM): accusations are a waste
spies4kip (1:34:27 AM): im not going to tell anyone who i am, but still
spies4Summer (1:34:32 AM): Martha's exile almost relied on her accusation vote
spies4kip (1:34:37 AM): which sets me off
spies4Summer (1:34:41 AM): Yes
spies4Summer (1:34:48 AM): Lloyd accused players for fun
spies4kip (1:34:58 AM): if accusations are used to get people out
spies4kip (1:35:06 AM): you can almost alays trace them back to a spy
spies4Summer (1:35:14 AM): Well if I had to guess I would say they're used for more important things
spies4Summer (1:35:28 AM): Finding out who is behind a character means you have a better idea of how they work
spies4kip (1:35:34 AM): yeah that too
spies4Summer (1:35:53 AM): And that can be very beneficial when figuring out how to manipulate someone
spies4Summer (1:36:05 AM): You know what motivates them, how to get on their good side, etc.
spies4kip (1:36:11 AM): why would you need to though
spies4kip (1:36:15 AM): unless they were a spy
spies4kip (1:36:17 AM): or you were
spies4Summer (1:36:22 AM): Not necessarily
spies4Summer (1:36:26 AM): Beverly was exiled on a 8-7 vote
spies4kip (1:36:30 AM): or if its your ass
spies4Summer (1:36:51 AM): Someone who really wanted to push a spy out would need to know how to jumpstart the people on the fence
spies4Summer (1:37:01 AM): Right, or if it's your ass
spies4kip (1:37:14 AM): but look at it this way
spies4kip (1:37:20 AM): say its you for the vote
spies4kip (1:37:23 AM): and you know someone
spies4kip (1:37:30 AM): so you want to use the extra votes to get them out
spies4kip (1:37:36 AM): who knows, maybe they're a spy
spies4Summer (1:37:45 AM): Sure, you could do that too
spies4kip (1:37:46 AM): but
spies4kip (1:37:51 AM): you're no good alone
spies4Summer (1:38:03 AM): Right, two votes won't exile someone
spies4kip (1:38:05 AM): you'd need more
spies4kip (1:38:11 AM): so you ask people
spies4kip (1:38:23 AM): now, a spy would know if your target was a spy, in a normal game
spies4kip (1:38:38 AM): if they knew said person wasnt a spy, they'd be all over your idea
spies4kip (1:38:44 AM): cuz that gets them out, wasted exile
spies4kip (1:38:48 AM): and you look horrible
spies4kip (1:38:58 AM): now in this game you got three groups
spies4Summer (1:39:03 AM): Right
spies4kip (1:39:12 AM): so one group knows your target isnt in their group
spies4kip (1:39:23 AM): and if it gets the other group awesome
spies4Summer (1:39:27 AM): Yes
spies4kip (1:39:28 AM): a cit, even better
spies4kip (1:39:33 AM): cuz you still look bad
spies4kip (1:39:42 AM): in this game, youd have both groups jump on the idea
spies4kip (12:33:55 AM): hello
spies4Summer (12:34:05 AM): Hi Kip
spies4Summer (12:34:08 AM): How are you?
spies4kip (12:34:17 AM): im alright, you?
spies4Summer (12:34:42 AM): Happy
spies4Summer (12:34:44 AM): We got a spy out!!!
spies4kip (12:34:46 AM): yeah i saw!!!
spies4kip (12:34:53 AM): its exciting
spies4Summer (12:34:55 AM): It's great
spies4kip (12:34:59 AM): though i didnt vote for naomi
spies4Summer (12:35:04 AM): I know
spies4kip (12:35:06 AM): well, i couldnt...
spies4Summer (12:35:10 AM): Cain was a legitimate vote though
spies4Summer (12:35:14 AM): Oh right
spies4Summer (12:35:17 AM): Family ties
spies4kip (12:35:21 AM): but i wouldnt have
spies4kip (12:35:23 AM): if i could have
spies4kip (12:35:27 AM): if that makes sense
spies4kip (12:35:43 AM): i wasnt sold on her 100%, though i suspected her
spies4Summer (12:35:50 AM): Well watch out for Adelaide
spies4Summer (12:35:59 AM): Tomorrow she'll make a thread about how you're suspicious for not voting Naomi
spies4Summer (12:36:02 AM): I bet you $10
spies4kip (12:36:04 AM): heh
spies4kip (12:36:13 AM): though she was all gung ho on cain
spies4kip (12:36:34 AM): and i mean, she told me she would never vote naomi before cain
spies4kip (12:36:36 AM): and i quote
spies4Summer (12:36:58 AM): Well we had a group chat today
spies4Summer (12:37:30 AM): Adelaide was there
spies4Summer (12:37:43 AM): And the consensus was that Naomi was as likely a spy as Cain
spies4Summer (12:37:52 AM): And that so long as Naomi was still around, the votes would be fractured
spies4kip (12:37:57 AM): true
spies4kip (12:38:01 AM): i agree with that
spies4Summer (12:38:07 AM): Yes I think Candy made that point
spies4kip (12:38:08 AM): shes been a target for a while
spies4Summer (12:38:13 AM): She's very effective
spies4kip (12:38:22 AM): i dont have a read on cady
spies4kip (12:38:25 AM): candy*
spies4kip (12:38:28 AM): id love to trust her
spies4Summer (12:38:33 AM): You've been in this game for what, a week?
spies4Summer (12:38:36 AM): Less
spies4Summer (12:38:38 AM): Few days
spies4kip (12:38:37 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:38:51 AM): Well it does help clarify a lot
spies4Summer (12:38:57 AM): We have a lot of information now
spies4Summer (12:39:13 AM): Things like how Angelica was telling the truth
spies4Summer (12:39:22 AM): How orthodoxy spies would have wanted to vote Naomi last round
spies4Summer (12:39:41 AM): How a 4th spy wanted Martha out in round 1
spies4kip (12:39:55 AM): yeah, see this is all stuff i dont have the full story on
spies4kip (12:40:01 AM): cuz lots of it is dicussed in AIM
spies4kip (12:40:16 AM): i just feel like im a few pages behind everyone right now
spies4kip (12:41:05 AM): and its annoying when people like cain and leon and others dont talk to me
spies4Summer (12:41:11 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (12:41:11 AM): *rolls eyes*
spies4Summer (12:41:12 AM): Or anyone
spies4kip (12:41:13 AM): yeah
spies4kip (12:41:30 AM): youd think people would want to fill me in
spies4Summer (12:41:36 AM): Okay okay!!
spies4Summer (12:41:38 AM): So in round 1
spies4kip (12:41:37 AM): why have a clueless person around
spies4kip (12:41:41 AM): haha no no
spies4kip (12:41:53 AM): i didnt mean like an entire game summary ><
spies4Summer (12:42:04 AM): No no this is relevant
spies4kip (12:42:06 AM): ok
spies4Summer (12:42:15 AM): In round 1 the votes were split
spies4Summer (12:42:20 AM): Everyone knew Kiyoshi was inactive
spies4Summer (12:42:33 AM): A bunch of people, led by Lloyd and Jeremiah, tried to vote him out
spies4kip (12:42:40 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:42:44 AM): Another bunch of people, led by Beverly, said "Martha is a spy and we should vote her out"
spies4kip (12:42:48 AM): then changed
spies4Summer (12:42:55 AM): No one changed
spies4kip (12:43:14 AM): i meant lloyd and jer did, right?
spies4kip (12:43:19 AM): cuz kiyoshi slipped
spies4kip (12:43:21 AM): and martha went
spies4Summer (12:43:31 AM): It was a tight vote
spies4Summer (12:43:41 AM): With Kiyoshi's self-votes it came down to 15-13 I think
spies4Summer (12:43:57 AM): Very tight
spies4Summer (12:44:07 AM): There were some people who didn't vote for Martha or Kiyoshi
spies4Summer (12:44:11 AM): This is the good part
spies4Summer (12:44:20 AM): Naomi, Leon, and Masaki were in Martha's family
spies4Summer (12:44:25 AM): According to the rules they couldn't vote for her
spies4Summer (12:44:27 AM): BUT
spies4Summer (12:44:34 AM): They didn't vote Kiyoshi to save her
spies4Summer (12:44:45 AM): If they had voted Kiyoshi, the vote would have been 16-15 Kiyoshi-Martha
spies4Summer (12:44:52 AM): Kiyoshi would have been exiled
spies4kip (12:44:59 AM): masaki told me he wanted to save the inactives
spies4Summer (12:45:06 AM): Masaki ....
spies4Summer (12:45:09 AM): We'll talk about him later
spies4kip (12:45:14 AM): figured you had enough people to override the penalty votes
spies4kip (12:45:21 AM): until you were forced to remove them
spies4kip (12:45:35 AM): also went on to say taht raplph organized the martha movement
spies4kip (12:45:38 AM): to be exiled
spies4Summer (12:46:23 AM): I think they're lying
spies4Summer (12:46:24 AM): Look at it
spies4Summer (12:46:26 AM): Emma voted Martha
spies4Summer (12:46:29 AM): Beverly voted Martha
spies4kip (12:46:31 AM): he also said that at first jer wanted bev, then went for abrams, finally settled on kiyoshi
spies4Summer (12:46:32 AM): Angelica voted Martha
spies4Summer (12:46:42 AM): Naomi voted so her vote wouldn't help Martha stay in
spies4kip (12:46:46 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:46:53 AM): That's why tonight was great
spies4Summer (12:46:56 AM): It helped clear that up even more
spies4kip (12:47:09 AM): all spies voted to have martha go
spies4kip (12:47:16 AM): even when they couldnt
spies4kip (12:47:23 AM): just threw the vote away
spies4kip (12:47:24 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:47:38 AM): Well I voted Lloyd and Candy voted Bunni
spies4Summer (12:47:47 AM): But everyone else voted Martha Kiyoshi or in Martha's family's case, Beverly
spies4kip (12:48:48 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:49:07 AM): Also now we understand why Naomi voted Damon last round
spies4Summer (12:49:19 AM): Her group made the decision to sacrifice Naomi and keep Beverly
spies4kip (12:49:32 AM): and it backfired
spies4Summer (12:49:39 AM): So I think that if you look at who voted Martha in round 1 and who voted Naomi in round 5 you'll find your 4th Traditionalist spy
spies4Summer (12:50:03 AM): This is huge
spies4kip (12:50:18 AM): and who does that leave?
spies4Summer (12:50:32 AM): Well let's look
spies4Summer (12:50:36 AM): Well it leaves 2 orthodoxy spies
spies4kip (12:50:51 AM): well i meant who voted martha and naomi
spies4kip (12:50:59 AM): thats still here
spies4Summer (12:51:17 AM): Right, let's look
spies4Summer (12:51:22 AM): The voting thread is in the public grounds
spies4kip (12:51:26 AM): MARTHA (14): Emma, Johan, Lise, Zander, Ralph, Beverly, Gordy, Hannah, Angelica, Cain, Kip, Madison, Singe, Faizah
spies4Summer (12:51:27 AM): It doesn't include this round's votes
spies4kip (12:52:16 AM): Johan, Zander, , Hannah, Cain, Kip, Madison, Singe, Faizah
spies4kip (12:52:19 AM): for martha
spies4Summer (12:52:34 AM): Right ... you can take yourself out though
spies4Summer (12:52:39 AM): If you know you're not a spy
spies4Summer (12:52:41 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (12:52:48 AM): Johan, Zander, Hannah, Cain, Madison, Singe, Faizah
spies4kip (12:52:49 AM):
spies4Summer (12:53:21 AM): And last round ...
spies4Summer (12:53:31 AM): NAOMI (7): Cain, Gordy, Leon, Zander, Masaki, Beverly, Faizah
spies4kip (12:53:47 AM): so cain, zander, faizah
spies4Summer (12:53:58 AM): I'm including Masaki
spies4kip (12:54:06 AM): ok
spies4kip (12:54:17 AM): so four names
spies4Summer (12:54:26 AM): His vote could have been for Martha by default, like Naomi's
spies4kip (12:54:31 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:54:34 AM): And note
spies4Summer (12:54:36 AM): Cain is one of them
spies4kip (12:54:40 AM): yes
spies4kip (12:55:17 AM): think is could be zander of faizah?
spies4Summer (12:55:27 AM): Faizah seemed pretty duped by Beverly
spies4Summer (12:55:33 AM): It could have been a clever post-exile ploy
spies4kip (12:55:33 AM): they seemed really close
spies4kip (12:55:47 AM): and i doubt two spies in the same group would make such an apparent closeness
spies4Summer (12:55:51 AM): And it's not to say that Faizah isn't an orthodoxy spy
spies4kip (12:55:52 AM): true
spies4kip (12:55:58 AM): but i dont think shes a trad
spies4kip (12:56:01 AM): cuz of that
spies4Summer (12:56:15 AM): I agree
spies4kip (12:56:22 AM): as for zander... i dunno
spies4kip (12:56:27 AM): i havent spoken to him
spies4Summer (12:56:32 AM): I'm on and off about Zander
spies4kip (12:56:40 AM): he was actually one of my three undecideds
spies4Summer (12:56:47 AM): I don't have anything that ties him to Beverly or Angelica
spies4kip (12:56:50 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:56:52 AM): But that in of itself is weird
spies4Summer (12:56:58 AM): It's 4 weeks in
spies4Summer (12:57:02 AM): There should be something
spies4Summer (12:57:07 AM): Then again Naomi and Beverly ...
spies4kip (12:57:09 AM): you'd want to appear distant, but close to your fellow spies
spies4Summer (12:57:37 AM): It's weird because all I can remember of Naomi-Beverly interaction is Beverly calling Naomi a cunt
spies4kip (12:58:12 AM): think it could possibly be damon? naomi was all over him
spies4kip (12:58:21 AM): as bev and naomi were apart
spies4Summer (12:58:24 AM): Oh right Damon didn't vote in round 1 and was replaced later
spies4Summer (12:58:37 AM): He should be on the list too
spies4kip (12:58:37 AM): he voted bev too
spies4Summer (12:58:40 AM): Well he voted Bev
spies4kip (12:58:42 AM): but still
spies4Summer (12:58:50 AM): No really Kip
spies4kip (12:58:55 AM): when two spies are up, you'd want to split, right?
spies4Summer (12:59:01 AM): No
spies4Summer (12:59:07 AM): Not when the plan is to keep one of them in
spies4Summer (12:59:21 AM): The plan last round, I think, was "Keep Beverly in"
spies4Summer (12:59:28 AM): She knew it was a close vote
spies4Summer (12:59:35 AM): Right before she told me her vote count was 8-8
spies4kip (12:59:46 AM): alright
spies4kip (12:59:54 AM): so damon's off
spies4Summer (1:00:02 AM): For the traditionalists
spies4Summer (1:00:05 AM): Not for the orthodoxy
spies4Summer (1:00:09 AM): Everyone's still on that lsit
spies4kip (1:00:11 AM): which leaves zander, cain and masaki for trads
spies4Summer (1:00:30 AM): All 3 are very tempting
spies4Summer (1:00:32 AM): I can see it being any of them
spies4kip (1:00:34 AM): agreed
spies4Summer (1:00:45 AM): Did you see Masaki's critiques?
spies4kip (1:00:47 AM): but the one thing i cant get over... is the gov files
spies4kip (1:00:56 AM): why would cain make them?
spies4kip (1:01:09 AM): not just cain
spies4kip (1:01:14 AM): why would anyone make them
spies4kip (1:01:19 AM): to appear helpful right?
spies4Summer (1:01:23 AM): Well it is helpful to have it organized that way
spies4Summer (1:01:23 AM): Yes
spies4kip (1:01:28 AM): he goes out of his way
spies4kip (1:01:30 AM): makes them
spies4kip (1:01:33 AM): sam loves the idea
spies4kip (1:01:36 AM): makes a subboard
spies4kip (1:01:48 AM): yet, to this day, name three things cain posted in them
spies4kip (1:01:51 AM): of any value?
spies4Summer (1:02:27 AM): None
spies4Summer (1:02:30 AM): It's a valid point
spies4Summer (1:02:46 AM): Cain is all around a great suspect
spies4Summer (1:02:52 AM): You look at the thread where he's being accused
spies4Summer (1:02:58 AM): That is excellent analysis
spies4kip (1:03:31 AM): it just appears to me
spies4kip (1:03:40 AM): that cain got this brillant idea to look helpful
spies4kip (1:03:55 AM): but didnt think it through and before he knew it, his creation took on a life of its own
spies4kip (1:04:00 AM): grew so big and was loved
spies4kip (1:04:05 AM): that he was in over his head
spies4Summer (1:04:07 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:04:17 AM): cuz now, he has to make up suspicions
spies4kip (1:04:19 AM): and post them
spies4kip (1:04:58 AM): and they'd be half assed suspicions at best, cuz if hes a spy, he knows who they are (well some of them)
spies4kip (1:05:04 AM): so he'll be bias
spies4kip (1:05:16 AM): its gotta be hard to do that, so he just didnt post
spies4kip (1:05:22 AM): thats what i think on it anyway
spies4kip (1:06:29 AM): now, masaki's critiques... *looks*
spies4Summer (1:06:49 AM): You'll know it when you see it
spies4kip (1:08:10 AM): the fatemaker one?
spies4Summer (1:08:17 AM): Yes
spies4kip (1:08:26 AM): now, im off on this, what exactly is the fate maker
spies4kip (1:08:33 AM): the person who split the groups?
spies4Summer (1:08:35 AM): No one knows
spies4Summer (1:08:39 AM): Well that's apparent
spies4Summer (1:08:52 AM): The critique says that the fatemaka is the schism maka too
spies4Summer (1:09:03 AM): Or Shizzle Maker as Adelaide would call it
spies4kip (1:09:11 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:09:25 AM): Other than that, no idea
spies4Summer (1:09:34 AM): But whoever it is
spies4Summer (1:09:37 AM): They suspect Masaki
spies4kip (1:09:39 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:09:59 AM): And the spies know about the role
spies4Summer (1:10:02 AM): Because Angelica mentioned it
spies4kip (1:10:18 AM): yeah she did
spies4Summer (1:10:44 AM): The other post was interesting too
spies4Summer (1:10:50 AM): The one on how Masaki is a fence sitter and an appeaser
spies4kip (1:11:36 AM): yeah which is a valid critique
spies4kip (1:11:42 AM): cuz he does appear to be doing that
spies4Summer (1:12:35 AM): I agree
spies4Summer (1:12:58 AM): That one's one of my favorites
spies4Summer (1:13:18 AM): It's better than the others that go "I just don't know about you, you sometimes seem like a citizen and sometimes you don't ..."
spies4kip (1:13:32 AM): you'd think spies would send some lame critiques
spies4kip (1:13:38 AM): as to not help people
spies4Summer (1:13:51 AM): Hmmm
spies4kip (1:14:00 AM): one thing to watch though with these...
spies4Summer (1:14:11 AM): Well keep in mind that one group gets to control all the imprisonments once the other is gone
spies4kip (1:14:20 AM): for the critiques that were like "if you're a spy, you need to start..." etc
spies4kip (1:14:32 AM): if someone takes that to heart and acts on it
spies4Summer (1:14:49 AM): *Giggle*
spies4Summer (1:14:51 AM): I didn't think about that
spies4Summer (1:15:10 AM): Kip v.1 got a critique
spies4kip (1:15:15 AM): yeah hehe
spies4Summer (1:15:45 AM): Did they help you clarify any ideas?
spies4kip (1:16:16 AM): kips critique?
spies4Summer (1:16:22 AM): Oh no
spies4Summer (1:16:25 AM): All the critiques
spies4kip (1:16:37 AM): i havent read them all yet
spies4kip (1:16:41 AM): almost finished though
spies4kip (1:17:48 AM): what about you?
spies4Summer (1:17:58 AM): Some have helped a little
spies4Summer (1:19:11 AM): Madison's ...
spies4Summer (1:19:32 AM): Well for one thing it's made me realize just how many quiet people there are
spies4kip (1:19:36 AM): ill skip to hers
spies4Summer (1:19:47 AM): I can summarize Madisons' for you
spies4Summer (1:19:49 AM): "Participate"
spies4Summer (1:19:54 AM): All of them basically say that
spies4Summer (1:20:05 AM): The general trend here though is that the quiet players aren't suspected
spies4Summer (1:20:15 AM): Madison, Johan, Abrams ...
spies4Summer (1:20:21 AM): No one's going "You're a spy"
spies4Summer (1:20:25 AM): They're going "Where are you?"
spies4kip (1:20:28 AM): exactly
spies4kip (1:20:32 AM): and it makes it hard on us
spies4Summer (1:20:38 AM): Completely
spies4Summer (1:20:47 AM): And I've realized I'm in this mindset too
spies4kip (1:20:48 AM): cuz they're never here to incriminate themselves if they are spies
spies4kip (1:20:51 AM): or help if they arent
spies4Summer (1:20:54 AM): Of extending them the benefit of the doubt
spies4Summer (1:21:06 AM): Except for Cain
spies4kip (1:22:10 AM): ok well i have a question for you
spies4Summer (1:22:22 AM): Shoot
spies4kip (1:22:35 AM): if you never talked online, and just read the board, who would you have thought this last vote was going to be for?
spies4kip (1:22:59 AM): for that matter, any of the votes
spies4Summer (1:23:07 AM): I see where you're going
spies4kip (1:23:12 AM): i wouldve thought cain this round, for sure
spies4Summer (1:23:14 AM): Round 1 I would have said Kiyoshi
spies4kip (1:23:19 AM): naomi the off chance
spies4Summer (1:23:22 AM): Round 2 no idea
spies4Summer (1:23:34 AM): Round 3 ... questionable part 1 and Ralph part 2
spies4Summer (1:23:39 AM): Round 4 Angelica for sure
spies4Summer (1:23:44 AM): Round 5 Beverly
spies4Summer (1:23:50 AM): Round 6 Cain
spies4kip (1:24:08 AM): now, for the people who never show up, who knew the vote was for someone else?
spies4Summer (1:24:10 AM): And you know who fits this
spies4Summer (1:24:12 AM): Abrams
spies4Summer (1:24:26 AM): Which works in his favor, sort of
spies4kip (1:24:39 AM): if you're a spy, you know who the vote will be for
spies4Summer (1:24:43 AM): It sort of indicates he's not having spies brief him
spies4kip (1:24:43 AM): im sure they post it
spies4kip (1:24:49 AM): in their little forum or whatever
spies4Summer (1:24:52 AM): Yeah
spies4Summer (1:25:02 AM): But if you ONLY paid attention to the burg ...
spies4kip (1:25:18 AM): so people who just follow THE BURG
spies4kip (1:25:22 AM): are prolly not spies
spies4Summer (1:25:35 AM): Abrams voted Kiyoshi, Ralph, Angelica, Beverly and Cain
spies4Summer (1:25:37 AM): No joke
spies4Summer (1:25:55 AM): Weird
spies4Summer (1:25:58 AM): I never even thought about that
spies4Summer (1:26:27 AM): This is what annoys me the most about Abrams
spies4Summer (1:26:35 AM): There are so many things working in his favor right now
spies4Summer (1:26:48 AM): The way he's voted, who's voted for him, who's accused him ...
spies4Summer (1:27:00 AM): But he himself is not doing anything to either prove he's a citizen or to catch spies
spies4Summer (1:27:09 AM): On paper, he's the perfect citizen
spies4Summer (1:27:13 AM): In reality, he does nothing
spies4Summer (1:27:27 AM): Does this make sense?
spies4kip (1:27:28 AM): yeah
spies4kip (1:27:50 AM): now anyway, my point is that the "inactives" that just blindly follow the burg with no knowledge are prolly not spies
spies4kip (1:27:57 AM): yes theyre useless
spies4kip (1:28:01 AM): but not spies
spies4Summer (1:28:10 AM): I'll agree with you there
spies4Summer (1:28:14 AM): Well
spies4Summer (1:28:16 AM): Except for Emma
spies4Summer (1:28:17 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:28:17 AM): thus, in my eyes, not worth an exile.... yet
spies4Summer (1:28:28 AM): Weirdest spy ever.
spies4kip (1:28:29 AM): haha
spies4kip (1:28:30 AM): yeah
spies4kip (1:28:39 AM): and that brings me to this point...
spies4kip (1:28:45 AM): say you have an idler spy
spies4kip (1:28:54 AM): they show up, vote, but dont really talk
spies4kip (1:29:01 AM): when the active spies do end up going
spies4kip (1:29:05 AM): they'll come out
spies4kip (1:29:08 AM): gaurenteed
spies4kip (1:29:21 AM): look at spies one, you had 3 spies, 2 super active, and one not
spies4Summer (1:29:33 AM): All right
spies4kip (1:29:38 AM): the two actives got pegged and went, so mercedes steps up, way suspicious, and boom
spies4Summer (1:30:07 AM): So you think we'll see more from Cain if he is a spy?
spies4Summer (1:30:12 AM): Because now he's responsible for himself?
spies4kip (1:30:13 AM): yeah
spies4kip (1:30:17 AM): if hes the lone trad
spies4kip (1:30:45 AM): i mean, if he never talks how will he kno who are threats to him?
spies4kip (1:30:53 AM): reading isnt everythng
spies4Summer (1:30:56 AM): So true
spies4kip (1:30:59 AM): half the game is off the board
spies4Summer (1:31:18 AM): Sometimes more than that
spies4kip (1:31:21 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:31:23 AM): This round was pretty much off the board
spies4kip (1:31:25 AM): totally
spies4Summer (1:31:32 AM): That's why you didn't know who to vote for
spies4Summer (1:31:35 AM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:31:46 AM): had i been here this afternoon, i wouldve known
spies4kip (1:31:51 AM): but sundays are my bad days
spies4Summer (1:32:15 AM): From what I've seen so far, the most noteworthy stuff happens on exile days
spies4kip (1:32:21 AM): appears so
spies4kip (1:32:32 AM): which is why im bumming about wednesday
spies4kip (1:32:34 AM): i work
spies4kip (1:32:52 AM): i work nights
spies4Summer (1:33:11 AM): So do I
spies4Summer (1:33:20 AM): Well, I work veyr late
spies4Summer (1:33:26 AM): I mean
spies4Summer (1:33:31 AM): I study late ....
spies4Summer (1:33:33 AM):
spies4Summer (1:33:45 AM): I think that's the first time I've broken character
spies4Summer (1:33:59 AM): Sigh
spies4kip (1:34:01 AM): haha
spies4kip (1:34:02 AM): its fine
spies4kip (1:34:14 AM): in my opinion
spies4kip (1:34:19 AM): accusations are a waste
spies4kip (1:34:27 AM): im not going to tell anyone who i am, but still
spies4Summer (1:34:32 AM): Martha's exile almost relied on her accusation vote
spies4kip (1:34:37 AM): which sets me off
spies4Summer (1:34:41 AM): Yes
spies4Summer (1:34:48 AM): Lloyd accused players for fun
spies4kip (1:34:58 AM): if accusations are used to get people out
spies4kip (1:35:06 AM): you can almost alays trace them back to a spy
spies4Summer (1:35:14 AM): Well if I had to guess I would say they're used for more important things
spies4Summer (1:35:28 AM): Finding out who is behind a character means you have a better idea of how they work
spies4kip (1:35:34 AM): yeah that too
spies4Summer (1:35:53 AM): And that can be very beneficial when figuring out how to manipulate someone
spies4Summer (1:36:05 AM): You know what motivates them, how to get on their good side, etc.
spies4kip (1:36:11 AM): why would you need to though
spies4kip (1:36:15 AM): unless they were a spy
spies4kip (1:36:17 AM): or you were
spies4Summer (1:36:22 AM): Not necessarily
spies4Summer (1:36:26 AM): Beverly was exiled on a 8-7 vote
spies4kip (1:36:30 AM): or if its your ass
spies4Summer (1:36:51 AM): Someone who really wanted to push a spy out would need to know how to jumpstart the people on the fence
spies4Summer (1:37:01 AM): Right, or if it's your ass
spies4kip (1:37:14 AM): but look at it this way
spies4kip (1:37:20 AM): say its you for the vote
spies4kip (1:37:23 AM): and you know someone
spies4kip (1:37:30 AM): so you want to use the extra votes to get them out
spies4kip (1:37:36 AM): who knows, maybe they're a spy
spies4Summer (1:37:45 AM): Sure, you could do that too
spies4kip (1:37:46 AM): but
spies4kip (1:37:51 AM): you're no good alone
spies4Summer (1:38:03 AM): Right, two votes won't exile someone
spies4kip (1:38:05 AM): you'd need more
spies4kip (1:38:11 AM): so you ask people
spies4kip (1:38:23 AM): now, a spy would know if your target was a spy, in a normal game
spies4kip (1:38:38 AM): if they knew said person wasnt a spy, they'd be all over your idea
spies4kip (1:38:44 AM): cuz that gets them out, wasted exile
spies4kip (1:38:48 AM): and you look horrible
spies4kip (1:38:58 AM): now in this game you got three groups
spies4Summer (1:39:03 AM): Right
spies4kip (1:39:12 AM): so one group knows your target isnt in their group
spies4kip (1:39:23 AM): and if it gets the other group awesome
spies4Summer (1:39:27 AM): Yes
spies4kip (1:39:28 AM): a cit, even better
spies4kip (1:39:33 AM): cuz you still look bad
spies4kip (1:39:42 AM): in this game, youd have both groups jump on the idea