Episode VII Conversations

[Zander]

spies4kip (3:25:46 PM): hello zander
spies4Zander (3:25:52 PM): Hi new Kip
spies4kip (3:25:57 PM): whats up
spies4Zander (3:26:07 PM): Not too much, just trying to recover from staying up way too late
spies4kip (3:26:15 PM): how late was that
spies4Zander (3:26:43 PM): Well, I went to bed fairly early but woke up at 5
spies4Zander (3:26:51 PM): I got about 3 hours of sleep
spies4kip (3:27:08 PM): id say i got a similar amount of sleep, i kept waking up
spies4Zander (3:27:26 PM): then clearly we're both in dire need of a nap lol
spies4kip (3:27:36 PM): haha i got class though
spies4kip (3:28:01 PM): well... if i go that is
spies4Zander (3:28:13 PM): hah
spies4kip (3:29:54 PM): so you enjoying the game?
spies4Zander (3:30:52 PM): So far yeah
spies4Zander (3:31:01 PM): It's just a big commitment sometimes
spies4kip (3:31:04 PM): yeah
spies4kip (3:32:58 PM): but its fun
spies4Zander (3:33:21 PM): Definitely
spies4Zander (3:33:30 PM): I just wish I had more time to give to it
spies4Zander (3:33:38 PM): lately I feel like I've barely been here
spies4kip (3:34:00 PM): well youre here now
spies4Zander (3:34:21 PM): Obviously :-P
spies4kip (3:34:51 PM): haha
spies4kip (3:35:13 PM): you think bunni's guilty?
spies4Zander (3:35:49 PM): Everyone keeps asking me and I'm still torn lol
spies4Zander (3:36:18 PM): I just don't think she's helpful enough to keep her safe... It really comes down to the fact that that's 4 eliminations that I or other people that have been really productive could leave at
spies4Zander (3:36:37 PM): And only now is she really contributing something to the game...
spies4kip (3:36:43 PM): true
spies4Zander (3:36:54 PM): To me I can't tell if it's worth it to keep her here and risk her being a spy
spies4kip (3:36:55 PM): but if you dont think shes a spy, then whats it matter if shes safe from exile?
spies4Zander (3:37:09 PM): At this point I'm not sure if she's either
spies4kip (3:37:14 PM): alright
spies4kip (3:37:30 PM): i just keep reading that people dont want to make her safe for that long
spies4kip (3:37:48 PM): but really... you look around it seems like cain's going be a target at the next exile
spies4Zander (3:37:52 PM): Giving a spy a pass to the endgame is beyond dangerous
spies4Zander (3:38:01 PM): clearing her now will basically clear her in the future
spies4Zander (3:38:10 PM): she just won't be immune at that point
spies4kip (3:38:12 PM): i dont see it as clearing her
spies4Zander (3:38:18 PM): I think some people will
spies4Zander (3:39:09 PM): I have little doubt I'll be taken out before her too if she is given immunity, and honestly I don't want barely active people sailing through to the end, especially after seeing that Emma was a spy... To me I just... I don't know, she needs to do more
spies4kip (3:39:22 PM): she does
spies4kip (3:39:31 PM): and hopefully she comes online today
spies4kip (3:39:42 PM): cuz i wanna talk to her again before i form any verdict
spies4Zander (3:39:51 PM): But that's barely even the point, it's like "Hey Bunni now that you're almost screwed, save yourself, and then after you're safe you'll just disappear again"
spies4Zander (3:39:56 PM): URGH. I hate this trial
spies4Zander (3:40:01 PM): Why can't we just have a normal exile
spies4kip (3:40:08 PM): bunni was a bad target for it too
spies4kip (3:40:39 PM): but id assume that was sams point
spies4kip (3:40:45 PM): get someone like bunni on the stand
spies4Zander (3:41:17 PM): Well obviously, there are a lot of other people it would have been easier to determine one way or another
spies4Zander (3:41:47 PM): What surprises me, though...
spies4Zander (3:41:52 PM): Is that Bunni wasn't even on my list
spies4kip (3:41:58 PM): same
spies4Zander (3:42:03 PM): and somehow she won but so many people are speaking up
spies4Zander (3:42:09 PM): *aren't
spies4kip (3:42:30 PM): it was especially hard for me to pick names of it
spies4kip (3:42:31 PM): for*
spies4Zander (3:42:39 PM): If people are unsure about her it's their duty to come forward and say why
spies4kip (3:43:10 PM): yeah
spies4kip (3:43:19 PM): but those people arent
spies4kip (3:43:30 PM): in fact this vote looks like its gonna be blind
spies4kip (3:43:36 PM): cuz theres not much being posted
spies4kip (3:44:12 PM): in fact, i think bunni will go, based on the immunity
spies4kip (3:44:26 PM): not her spy/cit status
spies4Zander (3:44:28 PM): Well Bunni and Faizah both get double votes so that's 4 to save her and 1 to leave (from Leon) automatically
spies4kip (3:44:36 PM): still
spies4Zander (3:44:40 PM): Bunni can't sit there and say it's illogical to want to vote her out because of that
spies4Zander (3:44:54 PM): But it's completely logical... I'm just having debates constantly about what I should do
spies4kip (3:45:06 PM): do what you feel is right
spies4kip (3:45:30 PM): for everyone its different
spies4Zander (3:45:40 PM): I could easily see someone like Adelaide taking how people vote this round and throwing it all around the place
spies4kip (3:45:45 PM): i dont see myself voting for someone i dont have strong suspicions for
spies4kip (3:46:19 PM): and for bunni, i have no suspicions, but thats mainly cuz ive only talked to her one
spies4Zander (3:46:19 PM): To me, there would be 4 people worth not exiling in this situation, and that's not including myself. Everyone else I would probably say yes to
spies4kip (3:46:31 PM): who?
spies4kip (3:46:34 PM): if you mind sharing
spies4Zander (3:46:49 PM): I don't want to incriminate anyone for Imprisonment or anything
spies4kip (3:46:54 PM): k
spies4kip (3:47:06 PM): i dont have that power anyway
spies4Zander (3:47:16 PM): but Candy, Singe, Hannah, and Abrams
spies4kip (3:47:22 PM): abrams? why?
spies4Zander (3:47:46 PM): Hard to explain, I just don't see much reason to suspect him
spies4Zander (3:47:58 PM): I feel the same about him as I do people like Madison and Faizah
spies4kip (3:48:02 PM): my only concern on him is that he used to post a lot
spies4kip (3:48:04 PM): not so much
spies4kip (3:48:11 PM): and he used to get on people for not posting like hannah did
spies4Zander (3:48:14 PM): Little evidence, probably could be helpful if they tried harder
spies4kip (3:48:19 PM): but hes dropped off lately
spies4kip (3:48:43 PM): but thats just circumstancal in mu opinion
spies4Zander (3:48:50 PM): His name came up in quite a few exiles, so I'm not too surprised
spies4kip (3:48:55 PM): i dont put much stock on board posting
spies4Zander (3:48:58 PM): I am surprised that he hasn't tried harder to not get self votes though lol
spies4Zander (3:49:02 PM): Neither do I
spies4Zander (3:49:07 PM): Though some is at least helpful
spies4kip (3:49:10 PM): yeah
spies4kip (3:49:20 PM): but i dont ride someone for not posting
spies4kip (3:49:23 PM): everyone plays different
spies4kip (3:49:40 PM): over half the game is off the board anyway
spies4kip (3:49:57 PM): only 15% of suspicions are actually posted
spies4Zander (3:50:42 PM): Well the problem is that if you don't take information public, it's easily manipulated
spies4kip (3:50:49 PM): yeah
spies4kip (3:51:04 PM): it can easily manipulated on the board too though
spies4Zander (3:51:12 PM): How? Everyone can see it
spies4Zander (3:51:33 PM): If it's a one on one conversation, then after someone leaves you can edit it to your liking. Or you can just leave bits and pieces out or never tell anyone or something like that
spies4Zander (3:51:49 PM): When it's in the burg, it's evidence, it's something everyone seens and knows
spies4Zander (3:51:58 PM): people afraid of the burg are afraid of something they shouldn't be afraid of
spies4kip (3:52:27 PM): how much of the stuff on the burg do you think is posted in its entirety
spies4Zander (3:52:55 PM): Not much, but I'd rather have 1 cut and paste conversation or suspicion that everyone sees, than 1 full conversation that 2 people see
spies4kip (3:53:15 PM): well yeah
spies4kip (3:53:20 PM): the more people seeing it the better
spies4Zander (3:53:26 PM): If one of those two people is a spy, then bam, you can't trust that info and you generally can't even tell that
spies4kip (3:53:32 PM): thats where trust cmes in though
spies4kip (3:53:42 PM): which is why i say half the game is off the board
spies4Zander (3:53:43 PM): I still think the burg is an assett
spies4kip (3:53:46 PM): it is
spies4Zander (3:53:48 PM): if we didn't need it we wouldn't have it
spies4kip (3:54:09 PM): but i guarentee that half the stuff posted there was discussed in private between a couple people before posted
spies4kip (3:54:33 PM): the burg is a huge advantage though
spies4kip (3:54:36 PM): dont get me wrong
spies4Zander (3:55:11 PM): I wouldn't go so far as to say half
spies4Zander (3:55:18 PM): you're making it sound like everything is schemed and plotted
spies4kip (3:55:19 PM): all im saying though is that when someone goes "hey zander, i suspect leon for these reasons"
spies4kip (3:55:25 PM): that doesnt get posted
spies4kip (3:55:30 PM): a majority of the time
spies4Zander (3:55:38 PM): That's true
spies4kip (3:55:43 PM): unless someone already has a leon topic going
spies4kip (3:55:47 PM): then they'll add to it
spies4kip (3:55:59 PM): and
spies4kip (3:56:06 PM): if you look at the burg, and the voting
spies4kip (3:56:28 PM): some voting is completely different than what the burg would have people suggest
spies4Zander (3:56:44 PM): Yes, but that's why the burg is valuable
spies4kip (3:56:44 PM): no one reading the burg had any idea jer was being exiled when he did
spies4Zander (3:56:52 PM): we can compare what people say publically and what they do
spies4Zander (3:56:58 PM): That's how we get a lot of evidence
spies4Zander (3:57:06 PM): Who wouldn't admit to suspecting X but voted X
spies4kip (3:57:11 PM): which is where my theory on inactive players comes from
spies4Zander (3:57:20 PM): And then that's when they need to come and defend themselves
spies4Zander (3:57:25 PM): what is your theory on inactive players
spies4kip (3:57:32 PM): and that theory is, people who dont talk on AIM, and just read the board
spies4kip (3:57:39 PM): and vote based on how the board says to vote
spies4kip (3:57:44 PM): prolly arent spies
spies4kip (3:57:49 PM): but people who dont talk
spies4kip (3:58:03 PM): yet know jer is going, or naomi, and some others
spies4kip (3:58:14 PM): are getting that infomation from somewhere
spies4Zander (3:58:26 PM): Couldn't they both just as equally be getting the info? lol
spies4kip (3:58:36 PM): how so?
spies4Zander (3:58:39 PM): I would imagine spies would be sharing the info to spies regardless
spies4Zander (3:58:45 PM): whether it's on AIM or whatever
spies4kip (3:58:57 PM): no look, if i didnt come on AIM
spies4kip (3:59:04 PM): and just read the board for the last exile
spies4kip (3:59:14 PM): id have voted cain (i sitll voted him, but thats not the point)
spies4Zander (3:59:24 PM): lol
spies4kip (3:59:34 PM): now, if i had voted naomi, wouldn't it be suspicious?
spies4kip (3:59:39 PM): who told me naomi was going?
spies4kip (3:59:52 PM): you thnk a concerned citizen would PM me?
spies4Zander (3:59:55 PM): Yeah but almost nobody doesn't come on AIM at all
spies4Zander (3:59:57 PM): except maybe Madison
spies4kip (4:00:13 PM): i wasnt on before the last exile
spies4Zander (4:00:20 PM): *I didn't notice* :-P
spies4kip (4:00:23 PM): not by choice
spies4kip (4:00:27 PM): i worked
spies4kip (4:00:30 PM): but yeah
spies4Zander (4:00:38 PM): Like you weren't on at all any of those days leading up to it?
spies4Zander (4:00:42 PM): Cause there's a difference
spies4kip (4:00:43 PM): i was
spies4Zander (4:00:51 PM): if you are on the day before you can still know who people are voting for
spies4kip (4:00:54 PM): and all those days, everyone was saying cain
spies4Zander (4:01:01 PM): I lock in my votes usually the day before because I get really busy and I'm usually not her at exiles
spies4kip (4:01:06 PM): naomi was brought up the day of exile
spies4Zander (4:01:22 PM): Not exactly true, but you were probably left out of the loop
spies4kip (4:01:27 PM): maybe
spies4kip (4:01:30 PM): cuz im the new guy
spies4Zander (4:01:39 PM): I had my vote on Naomi that night as did a few of us
spies4Zander (4:01:41 PM): Probably
spies4kip (4:01:51 PM): well i knew naomi would be getting votes
spies4kip (4:02:00 PM): but from where i stood, it was going to be cain going
spies4Zander (4:02:18 PM): I still think both of them were spies
spies4kip (4:02:23 PM): so do i
spies4Zander (4:02:29 PM): Anyway I gotta get going
spies4Zander (4:02:32 PM): class and stuff
spies4kip (4:02:36 PM): alright
spies4kip (4:02:42 PM): talk to you later
spies4Zander (4:02:43 PM): see ya
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[Zander]

spies4Zander (12:49:28 AM): "hey what's up"
spies4Zander (12:49:29 AM): :-P
spies4Candy (12:49:45 AM): Hi Cain
spies4Zander (12:49:56 AM): OMG you know my alter ego? HOW?!
spies4Candy (12:50:01 AM): CHEATER
spies4Zander (12:50:09 AM):
spies4Candy (12:50:20 AM): I'm telling the Judge ....
spies4Zander (12:50:27 AM): So after toiling for a while on the whole situation, I think I decided on my vote...
spies4Candy (12:50:37 AM): Do tell
spies4Zander (12:50:39 AM): It'd be a lot easier if the decision didn't have to be Guilty or Innocent.
spies4Zander (12:50:46 AM): For example, Not Worth It is my favorite option
spies4Candy (12:50:50 AM): HAHA
spies4Zander (12:50:54 AM): I'm locked in on Innocent right now...
spies4Zander (12:51:13 AM): Just because I think the immunity will make her speak up more... I just don't have enough evidence on her one way or another right now
spies4Candy (12:51:34 AM): No one does, really
spies4Candy (12:51:44 AM): It might make her talk more
spies4Candy (12:51:51 AM): Hmmm
spies4Candy (12:51:59 AM): I haven't voted yet
spies4Candy (12:52:17 AM): After exile 5 I put her as a spy on the Orthodoxy side
spies4Candy (12:52:24 AM): Since then I've had other ideas
spies4Zander (12:52:46 AM): I see you've been following the burg outburst that thinks you're an Orthodox spy :-P
spies4Candy (12:53:01 AM): It's pretty sad
spies4Zander (12:53:07 AM): Agreed
spies4Candy (12:53:12 AM): I would make the best spy ever
spies4Candy (12:53:18 AM): But I'm already the best citizen ever
spies4Zander (12:53:22 AM): I never saw a campaign against you getting so much pull lol
spies4Zander (12:53:31 AM): hopefully it's just speculation
spies4Candy (12:53:32 AM): Like I said, 3 spies are peeing in their pants in excitement
spies4Zander (12:53:46 AM): I honestly don't think it will take off
spies4Candy (12:53:50 AM): I hope not
spies4Zander (12:54:00 AM): if eyes fly off of Cain that quickly I will probably go turn Godzilla on people
spies4Candy (12:54:03 AM): HAHA
spies4Candy (12:54:09 AM): SO DOES THIS MEAN U WILL TYPE LIKE THIS
spies4Zander (12:54:21 AM): OMG YES RAWRRR BEVZILLA IS BACK IN A BIG WAY!
spies4Zander (12:54:50 AM): I WILL SMASH THESE FUCKERS WITH MY GIANT LIZARD FEET. FUCK THEM ALL!
spies4Candy (12:54:58 AM): I gotta say though that I'm glad I'm getting some attention
spies4Candy (12:55:01 AM): HAHA
spies4Candy (12:55:05 AM): Not just because I love attention
spies4Candy (12:55:15 AM): But because I think there are some players who aren't getting any attention and this could be the start of a good trend
spies4Zander (12:55:27 AM): Lucky you, meanwhile I just sit here knowing that both spy groups probably know I'm confirmed because of Gordy
spies4Candy (12:55:40 AM): I totally forgot about that
spies4Candy (12:55:43 AM): Yeah we're in the same spot
spies4Zander (12:55:44 AM): If I don't peace out this next Imprisonment I will be SHOCKED
spies4Candy (12:56:05 AM): Don't even
spies4Candy (12:56:08 AM): There's too much to do
spies4Zander (12:56:20 AM): I'm not giving up lol
spies4Zander (12:56:28 AM): I just don't want to deny the inevitable
spies4Candy (12:56:39 AM): Well I got an interesting PM today
spies4Candy (12:56:45 AM): Which is making me think I'm next
spies4Zander (12:56:45 AM): oooh, oooh, from who?
spies4Candy (12:56:54 AM): I'm going to keep the source quiet for now
spies4Candy (12:57:00 AM): But it said that someone's going around saying I have a role
spies4Zander (12:57:01 AM): gotcha
spies4Zander (12:57:12 AM): Probably Adelaide lol
spies4Candy (12:57:14 AM): No
spies4Candy (12:57:18 AM): One of my spy suspects
spies4Candy (12:57:29 AM): And I'm thinking he's covering his ass for when he DOES imprison me
spies4Candy (12:57:43 AM): "Well I told X and Y that Candy had a role so they must have wanted to imprison her"
spies4Zander (12:57:45 AM): Now I want to take guesses or something lol
spies4Candy (12:57:52 AM): Keep it quiet?
spies4Zander (12:57:56 AM): Duh
spies4Candy (12:58:00 AM): I don't want anything said yet but I want someone else to know
spies4Zander (12:58:04 AM): Mistaki
spies4Candy (12:58:05 AM): Yep
spies4Zander (12:58:11 AM): That wasn't hard to guess at all
spies4Candy (12:58:13 AM): Remember his obsession with the fatemaker?
spies4Zander (12:58:23 AM): Not surprising after he suddenly helps Cain start a campaign to suspect you
spies4Candy (12:58:31 AM): And how Angelica said that the fatemaker had an investigation?
spies4Zander (12:58:34 AM): So he thinks you're the fatemaker? lol
spies4Candy (12:58:39 AM): He thinks that's how I found Bev out
spies4Candy (12:58:47 AM): Now it's one thing to think that
spies4Zander (12:58:48 AM): Then what the hell would your mystery prize be
spies4Candy (12:58:49 AM): Keep your options open
spies4Candy (12:58:55 AM): It's another thing to actually tell multiple people
spies4Zander (12:59:07 AM): Yeah, there has to be something else going on there
spies4Candy (12:59:10 AM): Yeah
spies4Candy (12:59:16 AM): My mystery prize is what I said it is
spies4Candy (12:59:24 AM): But if he thinks I'm the fatemaker
spies4Candy (12:59:25 AM): And he's a spy
spies4Candy (12:59:33 AM): Well it's the Orthodoxy's turn next isn't it
spies4Candy (12:59:37 AM): Bye bye Candy
spies4Candy (12:59:44 AM): And pin the blame on the people Mistaki told
spies4Zander (12:59:51 AM): I'm confused though, why would you being the fatemaker even make you aware of Bev's identity?
spies4Candy (1:00:01 AM): Because Angelica said the fatemaker got an investigation
spies4Candy (1:00:03 AM): I got an investigation
spies4Candy (1:00:07 AM): Therefore I must be the fatemaker
spies4Zander (1:00:12 AM): oh
spies4Candy (1:00:17 AM): He's fixated on the idea
spies4Zander (1:00:20 AM): so we're still taking her word for gospel truth?
spies4Candy (1:00:27 AM): Yeah - exactly
spies4Candy (1:00:35 AM): But there's one thing about this that bothers me
spies4Candy (1:00:44 AM): Until Angelica said anything, did you know there was a fatemaker?
spies4Zander (1:00:56 AM): No
spies4Candy (1:01:00 AM): Neither did I
spies4Zander (1:01:03 AM): as far as I recall someone said something about schism maker
spies4Zander (1:01:07 AM): that was as much as I knew
spies4Candy (1:01:11 AM): Yeah
spies4Zander (1:01:17 AM): I think Gordy said he was the schism maker or something lol
spies4Zander (1:01:24 AM): just randomly
spies4Candy (1:01:32 AM): Adelaide thought he said he was
spies4Candy (1:01:39 AM): She also thought he was someone from spies 3
spies4Candy (1:01:43 AM): And Gordy told me no to both
spies4Candy (1:01:50 AM): Um Baby or something
spies4Zander (1:01:51 AM): She also has cracked out theories that keep getting worse
spies4Zander (1:02:09 AM): I wish she would realize that like... The more she goes "OH AND I HAVE INTENSE PROOF COMING UP LATER", the more I want to kill her
spies4Candy (1:02:14 AM): HAHA
spies4Candy (1:02:20 AM): It's like
spies4Zander (1:02:26 AM): If you think you have something why not freakin post it, instead of advertising you have secrets
spies4Candy (1:02:35 AM): A cliffhanger for Rocky and Bullwinkle
spies4Candy (1:02:44 AM): Where you know it's going to be something REALLY OBVIOUS anyway
spies4Zander (1:03:02 AM): "JOHAN DIDN'T VOTE FOR ANGELICA!!!!!"
spies4Candy (1:03:07 AM): That was myf avorite
spies4Zander (1:03:19 AM): Whoever said she came up with her theory in the shower is one of my all-time favorite players. I laughed so hard
spies4Candy (1:03:29 AM): YES!
spies4Zander (1:03:54 AM): I can definitely picture someone just being like "lah lah lah... lather... rinse... lah lah lah... OMG JOHAN VOTED FOR DUR DUR!"
spies4Candy (1:04:04 AM): My second favorite was when she was like "I didn't put this in another topic because we need mroe threads"
spies4Zander (1:04:15 AM): haha, yesssssss!
spies4Zander (1:04:22 AM): She's so weird
spies4Candy (1:04:24 AM): "STOP MAKING NEW THREADS ABOUT THIS YOU ALREADY MADE LIKE 12 SHUT UP!!!!!"
spies4Candy (1:04:34 AM): But
spies4Candy (1:04:40 AM): She voted Bev and Naomi so she's useful
spies4Zander (1:04:44 AM): I called her a douchebag and that's ALL she talked about on my critique
spies4Candy (1:04:52 AM): Two critiques
spies4Zander (1:04:56 AM): That said the same thing
spies4Zander (1:05:03 AM): I'm flattered I'm on her mind so much
spies4Candy (1:05:15 AM): Oh my third favorite was
spies4Zander (1:05:19 AM): Even though she didn't know she needed 6 critiques.
spies4Candy (1:05:22 AM): "How many critiques do we need?"
spies4Zander (1:05:22 AM): four times in a row.
spies4Candy (1:05:23 AM): YES
spies4Zander (1:05:25 AM): YES HAHA
spies4Candy (1:05:44 AM): "Still 6. The answer hasn't changed. You still need to do 6. Same as it was 5 minutes ago."
spies4Zander (1:05:56 AM): I wish Gordy left his chainsaw behind
spies4Candy (1:06:01 AM): I DON'T
spies4Candy (1:06:08 AM): He LOVED to talk about chainsawing me
spies4Zander (1:06:14 AM): lol
spies4Zander (1:06:22 AM): he came to me really serious one day
spies4Zander (1:06:34 AM): he was really upset that like... Sam called him a perv and said he never should have let him in the game
spies4Candy (1:06:52 AM): That is kinda harsh
spies4Zander (1:06:53 AM): I mean yeah he took it way overboard but... That's really harsh and like... personal
spies4Zander (1:07:03 AM): He implied that Sam called him a sex offender or something too
spies4Candy (1:07:10 AM): For real?
spies4Candy (1:07:13 AM): That sucks
spies4Zander (1:07:17 AM): Yeah, but I don't know if he definitely did or not
spies4Candy (1:07:27 AM): Gordy's perception of reality ... yeah
spies4Candy (1:07:33 AM): But he did tone it down, to his credit
spies4Zander (1:07:38 AM): About as good as Adelaide's...
spies4Candy (1:07:59 AM): Let's make 3 threads about it
spies4Zander (1:08:32 AM): Today I was talking to Kip (I think) about like, the only people who I would immediately vote Innocent if they were on the trial, just because of helpfulness or my trust in them or stuff like that
spies4Zander (1:08:50 AM): I threw Abrams on there for the hell of it, to see what he would say, and he was basically thrown for a loop lol.
spies4Candy (1:09:00 AM): There are definitely a few people I'd vote innocent for automatically
spies4Candy (1:09:06 AM): What'd Kip say?
spies4Zander (1:09:09 AM): I felt like the Maddy thing everyone already knows I trust her anyway
spies4Zander (1:09:24 AM): He was definitely shocked but didn't push on it too hard, just asked why Abrams but not why anybody else
spies4Zander (1:09:31 AM): We actually had a pretty cool in depth talk
spies4Candy (1:09:41 AM): I like new Kip
spies4Zander (1:09:42 AM): about how I think posting things publicly is more helpful and he doesn't
spies4Zander (1:09:46 AM): I agree
spies4Zander (1:10:00 AM): much better than the vague be-all-know-all one that he originally was
spies4Candy (1:10:01 AM): I'd vote innocent for him, looking at what he had to say about old Kip
spies4Candy (1:10:22 AM): He's like "yeah Kip had exactly 2 conversations every round but the first one. He labeled them convo 1, convo 2"
spies4Zander (1:10:39 AM): I'd throw him in the Bunni boat, just cause I'd have to think about it for a while
spies4Zander (1:10:46 AM): but I definitely lean towards citizen for him, at least for now
spies4Candy (1:11:02 AM): Maybe I'm getting too excited about this
spies4Candy (1:11:07 AM): But like everything he said pointed citizen
spies4Zander (1:11:25 AM): I still want to know why old Kip just died
spies4Candy (1:11:42 AM): spies4kip: he has one post where he says he has a list of citizens
spies4Candy: I'm guessing Bev was on there a lot and I wasn't
spies4kip: but he wont post who and why cuz sam was in a mafiascum? game with him

spies4Candy (1:11:54 AM): spies4kip: and he didnt want sam to kno his reasons for trusting people
spies4kip: >
spies4Zander (1:12:15 AM): How does that make sense? lol
spies4Candy (1:12:33 AM): spies4kip: over the entire tim ehe was here
spies4kip: no confessionals
spies4Candy: Wow
spies4Candy: He left youwith nothing
spies4kip: and his reasons were minimum
spies4kip: "i think shes a spy"
spies4kip: etc
spies4kip: no whys
spies4Zander (1:12:41 AM): I don't understand why you'd be afraid of letting the HOST know why you suspect people
spies4Candy (1:12:53 AM): OK from talking to Adelaide and Naomi I think I get that part
spies4Candy (1:13:05 AM): Adelaide said that at the mafiascum part they analyze EVERYTHING you say
spies4Candy (1:13:23 AM): new Kip said Sam played a game there
spies4Candy (1:13:28 AM): So old Kip wouldn't want Sam to know how he thinks
spies4Candy (1:13:36 AM): Which would also explain the no confessionals
spies4Zander (1:13:52 AM): Ah, that definitely makes sense
spies4Zander (1:14:00 AM): Random thought: where the hell is Damon?
spies4Candy (1:14:22 AM): As was stated in your very own "I'm not going to be here...EVER" thread, WE DON'T CARE.
spies4Zander (1:14:48 AM): lol
spies4Candy (1:14:54 AM): Anyway if this old Kip person was a mafiascum person and he was since he was like "Guys let's have an all mafiascum family" he probably got bored since he wasn't a spy
spies4Candy (1:14:56 AM): That's my guess
spies4Zander (1:15:17 AM): I can definitely see that happening
spies4Candy (1:15:25 AM): That's why I'm thinking new Kip is a citizen
spies4Candy (1:15:29 AM): Anyway back to Abrams
spies4Zander (1:15:29 AM): Would you put Damon in the same boat though?
spies4Candy (1:15:31 AM): Sorry to interrupt
spies4Candy (1:15:36 AM): No I wouldn't because old Damon did nothing
spies4Zander (1:15:44 AM): old Kip barely did anything lol
spies4Zander (1:15:52 AM): Except throw out the most random ass votes
spies4Candy (1:15:54 AM): Enough to make it clear he was disinterested
spies4Zander (1:15:59 AM): True...
spies4Zander (1:16:03 AM): Yeah anyway back to Abrams lol
spies4Candy (1:16:28 AM): And posting things publically
spies4Zander (1:16:45 AM): He says he's concerned that Abrams used to post all the time and now he doesn't
spies4Zander (1:17:03 AM): but he did say that was circumstantial
spies4Zander (1:17:16 AM): and then we immediately jumped into how he doesn't hold stuff against people for not posting on the boards
spies4Zander (1:17:30 AM): and how IMs are just as helpful but I think they arent because they're far more easy to manipulate
spies4Zander (1:17:50 AM): It was boring but at least the most enthralling conversation I've had with any Kip this whole game
spies4Candy (1:18:15 AM): HAHA
spies4Candy (1:18:45 AM): Yeah ... I mean it's good to think about that stuff now and then ... but it's BORIGN
spies4Candy (1:19:03 AM): You do have a point about manipulation in IMs probably being easier
spies4Candy (1:19:05 AM): I mean look at Bev
spies4Zander (1:19:10 AM): FACT
spies4Candy (1:19:11 AM): She did a great job of that
spies4Zander (1:19:25 AM): Not even that like...
spies4Candy (1:19:25 AM): People voted to keep her just because they liked her and bonded with her
spies4Zander (1:19:28 AM): If you have an IM with someone
spies4Zander (1:19:29 AM): and they leave
spies4Zander (1:19:38 AM): it's SO EASY to paste what makes you look better, whether you're a spy or citizen
spies4Zander (1:20:02 AM): Maybe I'm just gullible but I think taking info public asap helps the most
spies4Zander (1:20:21 AM): Not everything needs to be taken public either, but like genuine suspicions and stuff like that unless you're attempting a blindside
spies4Candy (1:20:30 AM): What you mean editing convos with imprisoned and exiled players?
spies4Zander (1:20:38 AM): and in that case at least two other people should at least know what you're doinig so that you can't get stuff framed against you from a spy
spies4Zander (1:20:39 AM): Yeah
spies4Candy (1:20:44 AM): Didn't think about that
spies4Candy (1:21:02 AM): Ha
spies4Candy (1:21:07 AM): I've been trying to do that last part
spies4Candy (1:21:10 AM): Cain grilled me on it last night
spies4Candy (1:21:14 AM): I was glad I had answers
spies4Zander (1:21:16 AM): Like for example, how do you even know I'm telling the truth about what Bev told me? You don't cause I didn't save the convo
spies4Zander (1:21:31 AM): I could just be making the whole damn thing up - that's how easily it could be manipulated
spies4Candy (1:21:38 AM): So true
spies4Zander (1:21:56 AM): Although I'd be pretty dumb to say that if I was lol
spies4Candy (1:22:05 AM): Right this convo is all a lie
spies4Zander (1:22:11 AM): YOU'RE ALL A LIE
spies4Zander (1:22:22 AM): get drunk again so we can talk about lying and you can forget what we're talking about
spies4Zander (1:22:23 AM): lol
spies4Candy (1:22:24 AM): You'll edit that later to say "You're a spy" so you can say you've known I was a spy all along
spies4Zander (1:22:32 AM): FACT
spies4Candy (1:22:38 AM): Get drunk again
spies4Candy (1:22:40 AM): Excellent idea
spies4Zander (1:22:43 AM): haha
spies4Candy (1:22:55 AM): I'm still shaking my head in disbelief
spies4Candy (1:22:57 AM): Poor Madison
spies4Zander (1:22:57 AM): I think we need to get drunk at the same time and have a wild AIM conversation
spies4Zander (1:23:06 AM): You were pissing her off so much lol
spies4Candy (1:23:11 AM): HAHA
spies4Candy (1:23:15 AM): I was so apologetic about it too
spies4Zander (1:23:31 AM): you hobag
spies4Candy (1:23:39 AM): Chainsaws
spies4Zander (1:23:49 AM): Anyway... I'm tired from being up since 5am
spies4Zander (1:23:54 AM): so I want sleep
spies4Candy (1:23:55 AM): WTF
spies4Candy (1:24:01 AM): Were you trying to see the sunrise?
spies4Zander (1:24:03 AM): I had to write that paper
spies4Zander (1:24:20 AM): I decided sleeping earlier and waking up to do it was more important than staying up all night and sleeping at like 8
spies4Candy (1:24:30 AM): Great now I can spend quality time with Truman and Mistaki
spies4Zander (1:24:39 AM): YOU LOVE IT
spies4Zander (1:24:43 AM): Abrams is on too
spies4Candy (1:24:45 AM): I live for it
spies4Zander (1:24:45 AM): Singe too
spies4Candy (1:24:48 AM): All my men
spies4Zander (1:24:54 AM): And Sam!
spies4Candy (1:25:01 AM): On the plus side at least one's a citizen for sure
spies4Zander (1:25:01 AM): Now if only Damon was here...
spies4Zander (1:25:10 AM): lol!
spies4Candy (1:25:17 AM): Whatever!
spies4Zander (1:25:32 AM): I know you're secretly in love with him
spies4Candy (1:25:32 AM): See you at the trial
spies4Zander (1:25:36 AM): in both of his inactive forms
spies4Candy (1:25:37 AM): No
spies4Candy (1:25:40 AM): Johan and I were meant to be
spies4Zander (1:25:46 AM): I think Sam should re-replace him to be another inactive player
spies4Zander (1:25:51 AM): Anyway... yeah, see you later lol
spies4Candy (1:25:59 AM): You dont' want to hear me talk about Johan
spies4Candy (1:26:02 AM): Bye
spies4Candy (1:26:05 AM): jealous MAGIC BOY
spies4Zander (1:26:08 AM): But he's so... FOREIGN!
spies4Candy (1:26:13 AM): He's a dreamboat.

Auto response from spies4Zander (1:26:13 AM): Night bitches

spies4Zander (1:26:19 AM): He's hairy and gross
spies4Candy (1:26:28 AM): Jealous.
spies4Candy (1:26:29 AM): Bye
spies4Candy signed off at 1:35:38 AM.