Episode Eight - Vote

[Candy]

My vote is for Cain.

Summarizing:
- He voted for Martha
- He staged a fake hate for Bev
- He wanted to exile Abrams and investigate Ralph in episode 3 (which eliminates the Abrams "threat", keeps the investigation off of a spy, and kisses up to Gordy)
- His spy suspect list doesn't list any Traditionalist spies and doesn't mention anyone from Gord's family
- He passed the tiebreaker to Bev and had no hesitations about giving an investigated spy the means to save herself
- He voted Naomi over Bev which is something a Traditionalist would do
- His only attempt at defense was to post conversations, to tell us "you're making a mistake" and to tell people they need to IM him
- Once I IMed him his only comment was "waaaaaa you're so mean Candy why are you so rude" (DEAL WITH IT!). This helps me believe that he's too stupid to come up with a good case for himself so he's sitting back.





Something that makes me hesitate:
spies4Beverly (00:35:24): I trust Cain.
spies4Beverly (00:35:33): For reasons I can't disclose.
spies4Beverly (00:35:36): At least not yet.

The Traditionalists chose to role block CAIN for my fatemaking decision. But they want me to give him the tiebreaker/extra vote so something's going on here.

[Beverly]

OWNED by Bev.

Rule #1; when a Spy is probably eliminated, what they say is usually against a citizen.

Rookie mistake

[Singe]

DC's no rookie, and she thought Cain was definitely a spy as well. I'd chalk Cain's lynch up to a combination of great spy manipulation and Cain coming to his own defense too little too late.

[Martha]

I don't get why so many people suspected Cain so much - you could make a similar list to Candy's, above, about half the citizens in the game. (Look at my reasons for suspecting Hannah and Singe, for example.) Other than that, though, there didn't seem to be much pointing towards him as a spy. It all seems to come down to various personal clashes or issues people have had with him. Was his personality so shady that people were eager to find suspicious things about him?

[Candy]

Martha-Man we DID find Hannah suspicious, remember? We exiled her!

And I DID find Singe suspicious.

But I ALSO found Cain suspicious because he fit the pattern of a Traditionalist, and his complete lack of a defense. And exiled him.

[Zander]

Not like it really matters, but from an Ortho. point of view I don't recall ever suspecting Cain at all. He was like Madison for me, just kinda helpless citizens that were easily manipulated by Spies. Maybe it's cause I had such a good read on Masaki and didn't think the two could be spy partners. But it's a lot easier to figure out the spies when you're one of them.

[Candy]

But the Orthodoxy also had a process of elimination that made it more helpful.

They knew the last Traditionalist wasn't Adelaide, Gordy, Hannah, Faizah, Zander or Singe.

Yeah that made things way easier.

Not to mention that Zander was a previous player who was tight with Masaki in the last game and could read him like that. I could only take his word for it when he told me.

[Martha]

There was a lot more evidence against Madison being a spy - specifically, that both groups had apparently made her a serious target in episode 2. (But Summer put that in a better - and far more brief - way than I ever could, so I won't go into it. )

On Hannah - I'm annoyed with myself. I had a HUGE piece of evidence in her favour that nobody else had (I knew how much she had undermined Faizah and Angelica by telling everyone that I'd accused Angie in the first round, when Faizah was trying to make out that I'd gone around accusing everybody in turn) and I completely ignored it. Ego again (always my greatest weakness) - I wanted my early Orthodoxy suspicions (Angie, Faizah, Hannah) to be correct, so I ignored a prime piece of evidence that showed that they weren't.

And on Zander - I'm fascinated by how sure he always was of Masaki in his spy convos and confessionals. I wasn't at all (I was sure there was a spy in my family (Leon, Naomi, Masaki) early on because of the Bev votes, but when Naomi was revealed I took it for granted that she was responsible for that and lost sight of her partner) and I'd like to know why he was so certain that Masaki was scum.

[Zander]

You know how like... You talk to someone a lot and you kinda get to know how they are? Through completely odd circumstance in Spies 3, Jack and I actually became really close and talked a lot even though I never intended to talk to him. So I just noticed a lot about how he talked and how he played in that game...

Take that and transpose it to Spies 4 where I almost immediately recognized Masaki as either Jack or Arthur (Pretty soon after the start I knew it wasn't Arthur), and I basically knew that even though he was Jack, his playstyle was off and there was something incredibly odd about him. I figured it'd be good to not say anything, considering I was a spy and didn't wanna get imprisoned by the trads (my greatest fear in any game regardless of my alignment, go figure), so I tried to get in close with him and make him trust me and just keep seeing subtle differences between how he and Jack played the game. And they were there. There were also tells that he was Jack like his little "Heh"s and stuff that Jack always did... So, I dunno, intuition or something but it was dead on in knowing it was him and then seeing the odd void between how he played this game and last game was just a tell for me.

By Week 4 when he fully tore down Angelica's reveal of Naomi, alongside Naomi, I knew 100% he was a spy. Faizah found Beverly. The only one we hadn't found was Emma and she had axed herself... So we knew very early on who we were hunting for... And the investigations we got really weren't that useful, except for confirming Naomi who we only wanted to investigate cause we didn't want to use all of our things and we moreso wanted to find out for sure about Gordy, Adelaide, and Singe as citizen or the 4th spy (Who turned up to be Emma)

So, in sum... I was Annie and he was JACK ATTACK!... How could I have not known?