Episode VIII Conversations

[Zander]

RIP MADISON

[Zander]

(12:01:33 AM) You have just entered room "chat1194498146175."
(12:01:36 AM) spies4hannah has entered the room.
(12:01:38 AM) spies4Candy has entered the room.
spies4Candy (12:01:45 AM): Whoa OK
spies4hannah (12:01:48 AM): hi
spies4Summer (12:01:48 AM): Hi
spies4Summer (12:01:55 AM): The 4 of us need to talk
spies4hannah (12:01:57 AM): is everyone retarded or is it just me?
spies4Summer (12:02:00 AM): This is really important
spies4Zander (12:02:01 AM): They are
spies4Zander (12:02:06 AM): And I am not fond of this game right now
spies4Summer (12:02:19 AM): Well don't leave
spies4Summer (12:02:27 AM): Okay
spies4Summer (12:02:31 AM): So I talked to Faizah tonight
spies4Zander (12:02:33 AM): my whole fucking first family is gone, Bunni just stayed regardless of what she just said, and my closest friend in the game just kicked the bucket
spies4Summer (12:02:47 AM): I know Zander, I sort of feel the same way
spies4Summer (12:03:00 AM): Madison voted Beverly because I asked her too
spies4Summer (12:03:03 AM): I knew I could trust her
spies4Zander (12:03:03 AM): Like I'm taking this game way too personally
spies4Summer (12:03:18 AM): And right now I need to talk about Candy
spies4Candy (12:03:20 AM): ME
spies4hannah (12:03:27 AM): and i cant believe bunni stayed after her completely inept ability to say anything useful
spies4Candy (12:03:34 AM): She had to go
spies4Candy (12:03:41 AM): She was useless
spies4Candy (12:03:43 AM): And on my spy list
spies4Candy (12:04:01 AM): Anyway what about me?
spies4Zander (12:04:02 AM): Her defense wasn't even a defense
spies4Zander (12:04:19 AM): she couldn't provide a SINGLE thing she's done for this gam
spies4Zander (12:04:20 AM): *game
spies4hannah (12:04:45 AM): anyway what about candy?
spies4Candy (12:04:46 AM): Yeah
spies4Summer (12:04:59 AM): Candy's in huge trouble for this imprisonment
spies4Summer (12:05:08 AM): I've talked about this with Faizah and we have an idea
spies4Zander (12:05:12 AM): Agreed
spies4Summer (12:05:33 AM): But we can't do it without Candy's approval
spies4Summer (12:05:35 AM): And if we do it, we need help
spies4hannah (12:06:03 AM): i cant believe these retarded ppl suspect candy
spies4Summer (12:06:06 AM): There are people saying they want to exile Candy
spies4Summer (12:06:13 AM): Cain
spies4Summer (12:06:14 AM): Masaki
spies4Summer (12:06:18 AM): Bunni
spies4Zander (12:06:19 AM): Summer I know what you're going to say and it's SO RISKY.
spies4Candy (12:06:27 AM): What's risky?
spies4Candy (12:06:29 AM): What's going on?
spies4Zander (12:06:41 AM): You want us to convince people that Candy might be exiled?
spies4Summer (12:06:47 AM): Not actively
spies4Summer (12:06:51 AM): But along those lines, yes
spies4Zander (12:06:56 AM): This is ONLY going to work if we have numbers...
spies4Candy (12:07:03 AM): WTF
spies4Zander (12:07:07 AM): We need to keep Candy in this game as long as possible
spies4Summer (12:07:12 AM): Agreed
spies4Summer (12:07:16 AM): That's why she has to make it through imprisonment
spies4Summer (12:07:22 AM): And she won't unless she's perceived as a target
spies4Candy (12:07:38 AM): But what if I get exiled?
spies4hannah (12:07:39 AM): but she is already percieved as a target isnt she?
spies4Zander (12:07:59 AM): Only by 3 people
spies4Summer (12:08:01 AM): That's why if the idea is floated around in the next 2 days I don't want to actively post against it
spies4Candy (12:08:04 AM): More than 3
spies4Candy (12:08:07 AM): I got a message
spies4Candy (12:08:11 AM): This is what I wanted to tell you about Hannah
spies4Candy (12:08:14 AM): Singe is in on it too
spies4Zander (12:08:17 AM): If we show support for it, it gains ground... We just have to have the push on this
spies4Summer (12:08:29 AM): Didn't he post in the burg today that he didn't suspect you?
spies4Candy (12:08:35 AM): I got a message after he posted that
spies4Candy (12:09:02 AM): Why did you bring Zander and Hannah in here anyway?
spies4Summer (12:09:10 AM): Because the 3 of you voted guilty on Bunni
spies4Summer (12:09:23 AM): And I'm not sure on Bunni.
spies4Zander (12:09:27 AM): Thanks Candy *eyeroll*
spies4Candy (12:09:49 AM): So let me get this straight
spies4Candy (12:09:59 AM): You've posted in my defense before
spies4Candy (12:10:30 AM): You're saying that if it starts up
spies4Candy (12:10:32 AM): You're not going to do that
spies4Summer (12:10:45 AM): Yes
spies4Summer (12:10:55 AM): I want to know who wants to vote you out
spies4Summer (12:11:01 AM): It's in the spies' best interest
spies4Summer (12:11:12 AM): If I was a spy I'd jump on the idea
spies4hannah (12:12:06 AM): i dunno, this could backfire
spies4Summer (12:12:16 AM): I don't mean tell people we suspect her
spies4Summer (12:12:28 AM): But I'm not going to post in her defense until after imprisonment
spies4Candy (12:12:53 AM): I'm willing to risk it
spies4Zander (12:13:08 AM): I'm only going to do it if Candy wants to
spies4Candy (12:13:12 AM): But if they don't go for me, who will they go for?
spies4Candy (12:13:15 AM): Not Cain
spies4Candy (12:13:20 AM): And it's the orthodoxy's turn
spies4Candy (12:13:37 AM): This means they're going to hit a citizen no matter what
spies4Zander (12:13:49 AM): There's a really good chance they'll go for one of the rest of us. I don't like that, but it's better than you going I guess
spies4hannah (12:13:50 AM): hopefully none of us
spies4hannah (12:13:56 AM): :-(
spies4Summer (12:14:17 AM): Okay
spies4Summer (12:14:19 AM): So let's sit it out
spies4Summer (12:14:25 AM): We'll keep watch on who suspects Candy
spies4Summer (12:14:27 AM): Compare notes
spies4hannah (12:14:40 AM): i am just afraid if the candy train gains too much ground we mite be unable to stop it
spies4Zander (12:14:42 AM): Who can we basically ensure votes with us next exile?
spies4Candy (12:14:53 AM): Johan and Abrams
spies4hannah (12:14:59 AM): well no one since everyone else is clearly retarded
spies4Candy (12:15:00 AM): Faizah
spies4Candy (12:15:08 AM): Adelaide probably
spies4Candy (12:15:17 AM): Together that's 8
spies4hannah (12:16:18 AM): and we are how many? 15?
spies4Candy (12:16:48 AM): Yes
spies4Candy (12:16:50 AM): Soon to be 14
spies4hannah (12:17:00 AM): that means we should have the mahority
spies4Summer (12:17:11 AM): Ideally
spies4hannah (12:17:16 AM): *majority
spies4Zander (12:18:12 AM): Well we would be if we had 8
spies4hannah (12:18:20 AM): altho if i defend her no one will prob notice....no one listens to me anyway :-(
spies4Zander (12:18:27 AM): False.
spies4Summer (12:18:28 AM): That's not true
spies4hannah (12:18:36 AM): no i mean aside from u guys
spies4Zander (12:18:40 AM): I don't think I've even seen anyone say they distrust you
spies4Zander (12:18:44 AM): this Bunni thing is different
spies4hannah (12:18:51 AM): alright i suppose
spies4Zander (12:19:04 AM): At least, you've never done a thing to make me not trust you
spies4Zander (12:19:16 AM): *LIKE FREAKING MADISON*
spies4Summer (12:19:18 AM): Your critiques are positive
spies4Candy (12:19:23 AM): Hey don't remind me abotu Madison
spies4Candy (12:19:25 AM): She was on my trusted list
spies4Zander (12:19:48 AM): She wasn't your closest friend in the game
spies4hannah (12:19:57 AM): i never even spoke to her
spies4Candy (12:20:27 AM): Oh great
spies4Candy (12:20:30 AM): Cain's going after me in the main chat
spies4Zander (12:20:45 AM): I can't even deal with those people right now
spies4hannah (12:21:09 AM): i am just baiting him, its making me feel better
spies4Zander (12:21:15 AM): If Cain is successful in turning everyone against Candy I will SHIT myself
spies4Zander (12:21:25 AM): how do you go from most suspected to least suspected with all the evidence against you?
spies4hannah (12:21:51 AM): once again, because these ppl are retarded
spies4hannah (12:22:29 AM): pls tell me we are exiling cain this exile?
spies4hannah (12:24:34 AM): /me stabs cain
spies4Zander (12:24:39 AM): lol
spies4Zander (12:24:56 AM): I really think he and/or Masaki are spies
spies4hannah (12:25:28 AM): me too
spies4hannah (12:25:36 AM): anyway he is pissing me off immesnely
spies4hannah (12:27:40 AM): okay i am going to go punch something now
spies4Zander (12:28:04 AM): If I get Imprisoned... I'd ask you guys to vote for Masaki.
spies4Zander (12:28:14 AM): spies4Zander (12:27:43 AM): At this point I basically want to just run out and ask to be Imprisoned. Like, I am so down
spies4Zander (12:28:21 AM): to Masaki
spies4Zander (12:28:31 AM): To deflect eyes from Candy in some way
spies4Zander (12:29:12 AM): But seriously... Zest for this game = waning at a dangerous rate
spies4Zander (12:31:00 AM): spies4Masaki (12:30:06 AM): Cain, Candy, Leonspies4Masaki (12:30:25 AM): Three people with valid cases against them, though none still are guaranteed Spiesspies4Masaki (12:30:28 AM): Need to look deeper.
spies4Zander (12:31:03 AM): and his main suspects
(12:32:19 AM) spies4hannah has left the room.
spies4Summer (12:34:54 AM): Cain will be exiled
spies4Summer (12:35:03 AM): At least, I hope he will be
spies4Summer (12:35:09 AM): And I thnk it's the likeliest course right now
spies4Zander (12:37:27 AM): I still get the worst vibe from masaki but they're probably both spies
spies4Summer (12:37:33 AM): I do too
spies4Zander (12:45:22 AM): I think I need a break...
spies4Zander (12:45:45 AM): I'll be back after tomorrow... And if I get Imprisoned whenever that is, then good luck...
spies4Summer (12:46:15 AM): Good night Zander

[Zander]

spies4Zander (12:09:58 AM): Hannah is like subtly convincing me to vote to get rid of Bunni...
spies4Zander (12:10:05 AM): and I'm still freaking torn to all hell on this thing
spies4Candy (12:10:11 AM): I thought about this a lot today
spies4Candy (12:10:18 AM): A huge part of me wants to vote guilty
spies4Candy (12:10:25 AM): She's not on my trusted list
spies4Candy (12:10:28 AM): My trusted list is fairly large
spies4Candy (12:10:41 AM): To the point where even if all my suspects went, the citizens would still win
spies4Zander (12:10:42 AM): I just don't think she's helpful or a guaranteed citizen, BUT.... imagine if I were in that situation. It would suck so much
spies4Candy (12:10:44 AM): And Bunni is on the suspect list
spies4Candy (12:10:51 AM): Not the trusted list
spies4Candy (12:10:57 AM): Plus she's an exile vote for me down the line
spies4Candy (12:11:00 AM): So I do want to vote guilty
spies4Zander (12:11:06 AM): Have you voted at all yet?
spies4Candy (12:11:10 AM): Yeah but I can change it
spies4Zander (12:11:38 AM): My problem is that I posted my vote in the burg. Changing now, though I want to... Will just freak everyone out. Although if the spies do know I'm a cleared citizen that could protect me for Imprisonment
spies4Candy (12:11:50 AM): Eh
spies4Candy (12:11:55 AM): It's a tough call
spies4Candy (12:12:03 AM): My trusted list is 8 people long
spies4Candy (12:12:10 AM): My semi-trusted list is 2 people long
spies4Candy (12:12:13 AM): My suspect list has 6
spies4Candy (12:12:26 AM): Mathematically it makes sense for me to take Bunni out
spies4Candy (12:12:30 AM): Not sure if I have the heart to do it
spies4Candy (12:12:57 AM): I don't even know how the votes are going
spies4Zander (12:13:36 AM): Singe seemed to say he was going to keep her
spies4Zander (12:13:38 AM): Johan seems like he will
spies4Candy (12:13:48 AM): Masaki too
spies4Candy (12:13:56 AM): He posted that he already stated his prosecution points in another thread
spies4Candy (12:13:59 AM): Notice that he never actually did?
spies4Zander (12:14:10 AM): Why do I feel like he was pushing so hard for her, saw me turn away and then followed suit?
spies4Candy (12:14:40 AM): Instinct?
spies4Zander (12:15:09 AM): Or wanting to stick to the majority...
spies4Candy (12:15:19 AM): Good piont
spies4Candy (12:16:01 AM): I just changed it 3 times
spies4Candy (12:16:14 AM): I vote innocent then though I really want to vote guilty.
spies4Candy (12:16:18 AM): Whatever. I vote guilty.
spies4Candy (12:16:22 AM): Ugggggghhhhhhh I vote innocent.
spies4Zander (12:17:04 AM): I just voted guilty. If she can't think of any way that she's been helpful, then that does it, I'm pissed off now
spies4Candy (12:17:10 AM): She's USELESS
spies4Zander (12:17:11 AM): she's basically saying "oooh, I don't help. BUT KEEP ME PLEASE."
spies4Zander (12:17:13 AM): FUCK THAT SHIT
spies4Candy (12:17:26 AM): I just changed again
spies4Zander (12:19:13 AM): I don't get it... why is she seriously playing this game if she doesn't want to help?
spies4Candy (11:56:32 PM): This. Fucking. Sucks.
spies4Candy (12:09:40 AM): Asking to see if she knows about Gordy
spies4Zander (12:10:00 AM): Do you trust her?
spies4Candy (12:10:05 AM): Definitely.
spies4Zander (12:10:20 AM): Do you trust Hannah?
spies4Candy (12:10:24 AM): Definitely.
spies4Zander (12:10:31 AM): The fact that she trusts me this much after I voted her says a lot
spies4Zander (12:10:35 AM): I'm guessing you trust me? :-P
spies4Candy (12:10:39 AM): Definitely.
spies4Zander (12:10:55 AM): So then there we are
spies4Zander (12:11:15 AM): You know I trust you the most and I definitely think Hannah is a citizen... And Summer doing this basically absolves her of all guilt I thought she had before
spies4Candy (12:11:37 AM): There are a few other people I trust.
spies4Candy (12:11:47 AM): For various reasons
spies4Zander (12:11:50 AM): Are any of them pushing for you to get exiled? lol
spies4Candy (12:11:53 AM): Nope
spies4Candy (12:11:56 AM): Just the opposite
spies4Candy (12:12:04 AM): Well Kip maybe
spies4Candy (12:12:09 AM): But Kip doesn't know I trust him
spies4Candy (12:46:26 AM): Don't give up on me MAGIC BOY
spies4Candy (12:46:32 AM): Madison's departure is a big downer
spies4Candy (12:46:40 AM): But the game's not over yet
spies4Zander (12:47:19 AM): I know it's just...
spies4Zander (12:47:21 AM): Ugh.
spies4Zander (12:47:31 AM): I want to take a break and re-assess why I'm really here. Obviously I'm playing this too emotionally
spies4Candy (12:47:53 AM): Why are you really here MAGIC BOY
spies4Zander (12:48:35 AM): Obviously to win, but I need to do that without getting my emotions and personal blah blah in the middle of it
spies4Zander (12:48:38 AM): cause clearly it's fucking me up
spies4Candy (12:49:08 AM): Yeah tell me about it
spies4Zander (12:52:34 AM): I'll be back as soon as I can
spies4Candy (12:52:51 AM): Take your time

[Zander]

spies4Masaki (12:23:32 AM): Looks like you're the last man standing from your original family
spies4Zander (12:23:41 AM): Don't even freaking remind me
spies4Zander (12:23:44 AM): I'm beyond upset righ tnow
spies4Zander (12:23:45 AM): *right
spies4Masaki (12:23:50 AM): Really?
spies4Zander (12:24:05 AM): I know I'm taking this too personally and I'm getting too involved in the game but I was SO CLOSE with Madison
spies4Zander (12:24:27 AM): And even when everyone in the game was suspicious of her I defended her cause I knew she was being honest and then she just gets kicked out of the game
spies4Masaki (12:24:56 AM): Well it's not as if you can't talk to her still
spies4Zander (12:25:10 AM): ... I can't until the end of the game
spies4Masaki (12:25:10 AM): Did you talk to her more recently anyway?
spies4Zander (12:25:15 AM): Just a couple days ago
spies4Masaki (12:25:30 AM): Weird, had no idea you were that close to her.
spies4Zander (12:27:04 AM): My family was ridiculously tight right from the start of the game. After Ralph tried to set almost all of us up, and then he and Gordy split off, Madison and I bonded so much for a few weeks
spies4Zander (12:27:14 AM): Then when Ralph went Gordy and I got really close again
spies4Zander (12:27:20 AM): Then he goes
spies4Zander (12:27:22 AM): And now Madison's gone
spies4Zander (12:27:43 AM): At this point I basically want to just run out and ask to be Imprisoned. Like, I am so down
spies4Masaki (12:27:54 AM): Bah don't do that
spies4Masaki (12:28:25 AM): Let's kick some ass
spies4Zander (12:28:47 AM): I've been like that all game and what happens? The people I'm closest to keep leaving
spies4Zander (12:28:49 AM): this is shit
spies4Masaki (12:29:27 AM): Unfortunately it happens, and will continue to do so, until we kill off the Spies
spies4Masaki (12:29:36 AM): We have leads, must follow up on them
spies4Zander (12:30:00 AM): Like who?
spies4Masaki (12:30:06 AM): Cain, Candy, Leon
spies4Masaki (12:30:25 AM): Three people with valid cases against them, though none still are guaranteed Spies
spies4Masaki (12:30:28 AM): Need to look deeper.
spies4Zander (12:46:17 AM): I'm gonna go on a brief haitus...
spies4Masaki (12:46:26 AM): Man
spies4Masaki (12:46:27 AM): Don't
spies4Zander (12:46:28 AM): I should be back after tomorrow, I just need some time to re-assess why I'm really here
spies4Masaki (12:46:38 AM): Zander, come on now
spies4Zander (12:46:40 AM): if I get Imprisoned, do me a favor and win this for us.
spies4Masaki (12:46:43 AM): I know it sucks
spies4Masaki (12:46:57 AM): But you gotta keep your head straight
spies4Masaki (12:47:26 AM): I was in this situation before
spies4Zander (12:47:42 AM): when?
spies4Masaki (12:47:51 AM): In another Spies game
spies4Masaki (12:48:10 AM): Things fell apart when the people I trusted left, but that's because I was unwilling to trust anyone else.
spies4Masaki (12:49:00 AM): But going on hiatus will not help anyone
spies4Masaki (12:49:06 AM): Maybe the Spies, but not the rest of us
spies4Zander (12:49:29 AM): I know it won't, Jack, but clearly I got my emotions too tied into this
spies4Masaki (12:49:41 AM): Heh
spies4Masaki (12:49:44 AM): You have balls
spies4Masaki (12:49:57 AM): Don't tell me Kip told you that shit
spies4Zander (12:50:16 AM): I figured it out in the first or second week
spies4Masaki (12:50:21 AM): Lies
spies4Zander (12:50:24 AM): Truth.
spies4Masaki (12:50:28 AM): I act nothing like I did before!
spies4Zander (12:50:50 AM): Spies 3 - The two people you are trusted the most, Shane and Anneliese, leave. What you just said basically confirms that you're Jack.
spies4Masaki (12:51:18 AM): Not necessarily
spies4Zander (12:51:22 AM): You don't have to say anything about it, man.
spies4Masaki (12:51:25 AM): I could be referring to another Spies game
spies4Masaki (12:51:33 AM): But I ain't going to deny it.
spies4Masaki (12:51:38 AM): Singe already knows thanks to Kip
spies4Zander (12:51:41 AM): If I felt like it made a difference or if I thought you were my biggest suspect, you think I would have accused you by now
spies4Zander (12:52:18 AM): But I had a bond with Madison that you didn't have with Shane or Anneliese... It's just...
spies4Zander (12:52:25 AM): I can't even explain it, I just need a break.
spies4Masaki (12:52:32 AM): Oh
spies4Masaki (12:52:38 AM): So you're obviously one of the people close to Jack then
spies4Masaki (12:52:49 AM): I didn't really associate myself with anyone outside of the circle
spies4Zander (12:53:03 AM): Or I read the game when it was over- that's a good idea too
spies4Masaki (12:53:05 AM): And you are not Reicheru
spies4Masaki (12:53:08 AM): She's already gone
spies4Masaki (12:53:29 AM): (thank god)
spies4Zander (12:53:44 AM): I don't care if you speculate about my identity, I just figured I knew yours
spies4Zander (12:53:53 AM): Anyway, I'll be back soon
spies4Masaki (12:54:00 AM): You better be! :-\
spies4Zander (12:54:07 AM): See ya...
spies4Masaki (12:54:11 AM): Later

[Zander]

spies4Zander (12:03:22 AM): Next plan of action - act beyond emotional about Madison
spies4Faizah (12:03:23 AM): t
spies4Zander (12:03:24 AM): even though I am sad
spies4Faizah (12:03:27 AM): hahah
spies4Faizah (12:03:28 AM): ok
spies4Zander (12:03:30 AM): SUMMER HAS TRUSTED MADISON FOR ROUNDS
spies4Zander (12:03:34 AM): SHE CONVINCED HER TO VOTE BEV IN THE FIRST PLACE
spies4Zander (12:03:38 AM): SHE'S KNOW MADISON WAS A CITIZEN FOR WEEKS
spies4Zander (12:03:41 AM): SHE'S GIVING ME SO MUCH INFO
spies4Faizah (12:03:44 AM): rofl
spies4Zander (12:03:44 AM): ME CANDY HANNAH AND SUMMER
spies4Faizah (12:03:45 AM): awesome
spies4Zander (12:03:52 AM): I think that since the 3 of us voted Bunni guilty, she trusts us
spies4Zander (12:05:27 AM): You talked to Summer and created a plan to keep Candy safe? :-P
spies4Zander (12:05:33 AM): AKA we pick Singe? :-P
spies4Faizah (12:05:38 AM): no, summer TOLD me about her plan
spies4Faizah (12:05:39 AM): haha
spies4Zander (12:05:41 AM): LMAO
spies4Zander (12:05:44 AM): I LOVE how everyone trusts us
spies4Faizah (12:05:48 AM): and I was in full agreeance
spies4Faizah (12:05:49 AM): ok good
spies4Zander (12:05:54 AM): btw, spies = 1/5 of citizens
spies4Faizah (12:05:56 AM): so she is acting like she trusts me right?
spies4Zander (12:05:56 AM): not TOO shabby
spies4Zander (12:06:02 AM): if we get Singe and Cain out this round we're great
spies4Zander (12:06:03 AM): yeah
spies4Zander (12:08:23 AM): We can't Imprison Singe
spies4Zander (12:08:26 AM): Singe wants to exile Candy
spies4Zander (12:08:30 AM): Fuck.
spies4Zander (12:08:35 AM): Who's a like guaranteed citizen?
spies4Zander (12:08:42 AM): That's not in on this plan...
spies4Faizah (12:08:49 AM): ummmmmmmmm
spies4Faizah (12:08:50 AM): Abrams
spies4Zander (12:08:51 AM): YES
spies4Faizah (12:08:52 AM): I would think
spies4Zander (12:08:52 AM): I agree
spies4Zander (12:08:54 AM): It's time
spies4Faizah (12:08:54 AM):
spies4Zander (12:08:59 AM): That was my first thought too
spies4Faizah (12:08:59 AM): Cya you weirdo.
spies4Faizah (12:09:00 AM): haha
spies4Zander (12:09:03 AM): He's never gonna get exiled lol
spies4Faizah (12:09:31 AM): although Summer told me she thought he was 100% a cit
spies4Faizah (12:09:36 AM): so she might think its suspicious
spies4Zander (12:09:40 AM): hmmm...
spies4Zander (12:09:41 AM): Adelaide
spies4Faizah (12:09:49 AM): YES
spies4Zander (12:09:49 AM): It's useless but everyone knows she's a cit.
spies4Faizah (12:09:50 AM): the moron
spies4Faizah (12:09:50 AM): haha
spies4Faizah (12:09:52 AM): exactly
spies4Zander (12:12:04 AM): Candy doesn't trust ANYONE that wants her exiled
spies4Zander (12:12:07 AM): LOVE ITTTTTTT
spies4Zander (12:12:11 AM): she said maybe Kip
spies4Faizah (12:12:11 AM): loooool
spies4Faizah (12:12:14 AM): she trusts me right?
spies4Zander (12:12:18 AM): but Kip doesn't know she trusts him
spies4Zander (12:12:22 AM): she has told me before that she trusts you a lot
spies4Zander (12:12:24 AM): but don't say anything to her
spies4Zander (12:12:28 AM): like... let her approach you
spies4Faizah (12:12:29 AM): i wont
spies4Zander (12:12:34 AM): Oh my God there IS hope
spies4Faizah (12:12:37 AM): im not even starting any convo
spies4Faizah (12:12:38 AM): hahaha
spies4Faizah (12:12:38 AM): YAY
spies4Zander (12:12:40 AM): if Damon or Masaki is the other spy...
spies4Zander (12:12:46 AM): We can keep them around as long as we need
spies4Zander (12:12:53 AM): we just have to not get Imprisoned
spies4Faizah (12:13:19 AM): we need to work with that other spy, damn it
spies4Zander (12:14:24 AM): Hopefully the other spy Imprisons Candy next
spies4Faizah (12:15:29 AM): Sam flat out told me only one group can win
spies4Faizah (12:15:41 AM): I still dont think its a bad start to try and get the one last one out, then WE control all the boots
spies4Zander (12:15:56 AM): Yes but we should try to get the cit numbers down a bit first
spies4Zander (12:15:59 AM): convince that other spy that we need him
spies4Zander (12:16:02 AM): and vice-versa
spies4Zander (12:16:36 AM): Who should we give this fatemaker thing to
spies4Zander (12:16:41 AM): It has to be a spy suspect I think
spies4Faizah (12:17:19 AM): I think maybe Singe
spies4Faizah (12:17:21 AM): rofl
spies4Zander (12:17:23 AM): In that case we could ensure this "Convince people Candy is guilty until after Imprisonment" thing WORKS if Masaki gets it and usese it against Candy
spies4Faizah (12:17:29 AM): then people can use the whole "he is so anti spy HE IS A SPY!"
spies4Faizah (12:17:31 AM): thing
spies4Zander (12:17:34 AM): lol
spies4Faizah (12:17:40 AM): im going to bed
spies4Zander (12:17:46 AM): Fact but I'd be careful, I haven't talked to him in so long
spies4Faizah (12:17:47 AM): I have 2 tests tomorrow and i havent even started studying
spies4Faizah (12:17:53 AM): this game is taking up way too much of my time, damn it.
spies4Zander (12:17:54 AM): Ah! Good luck
spies4Faizah (12:17:54 AM): lol
spies4Zander (12:18:01 AM): Hey at least things are looking up
spies4Faizah (12:18:02 AM): ttyl Z.....post in HQ if you have any big revelations
spies4Faizah (12:18:05 AM): thats true@
spies4Zander (12:18:22 AM): Sure I'll post the group convo
spies4Faizah (12:21:55 AM): stupid question
spies4Faizah (12:22:05 AM): but do we know who gets to save all those damn people from imprisonment?
spies4Faizah is away at 12:22:48 AM.
spies4Zander (12:23:30 AM): I have no clue, it's pissing me off

Auto response from spies4Faizah (12:23:30 AM): gettin' some DIVA rest.

[Zander]

spies4Summer (11:59:19 PM): Zander, I need you back here

Auto response from spies4Zander (11:59:19 PM): Beyond pissed

spies4Zander (11:59:19 PM): ty
spies4Summer (11:59:22 PM): There's something really important we have to discuss
spies4Zander (11:59:24 PM): sorry
spies4Zander (11:59:28 PM): ugh... seriously?
spies4Summer (11:59:31 PM): Yes
spies4Zander (11:59:37 PM): I'm sorry Summer I'm just really upset right now
spies4Zander (11:59:48 PM): everyonoe I like keeps getting imprisoned or kicked out
spies4Summer (11:59:48 PM): Zander, do you know why Madison voted Beverly?
spies4Summer (11:59:58 PM): And Naomi?
spies4Zander (12:00:03 AM): That was the one vote we basically never talked about - Beverly
spies4Summer (12:00:15 AM): Because I figured out she was a citizen a long time ago and I told her that I trusted her
spies4Zander (12:00:18 AM): Invite me back in then
spies4Summer (12:00:21 AM): And I got her to trust Candy too
spies4Summer (12:00:26 AM): No, this is going to be a separate room
spies4Zander (12:00:29 AM): ok
spies4Zander (12:01:23 AM): So this whole time when I was like "Madison hasn't done anything guilty" and everyone else was like "OMGZ URSPYZ TOGETHER" you didn't speak up...

[Zander]

spies4Zander (11:58:56 PM): Hey
spies4hannah (11:59:10 PM): hey
spies4hannah (11:59:11 PM): :-)
spies4Zander (11:59:46 PM): how have you been?
spies4hannah (12:00:03 AM): not too bad, quite busy. u?
spies4Zander (12:00:14 AM): Pretty good, actually not too busy lol
spies4hannah (12:00:55 AM): i am feeling rather tired tho, i hope we start soon
spies4Zander (12:01:21 AM): I agree
spies4Zander (12:01:24 AM): how did you wind up voting?
spies4hannah (12:01:36 AM): guilty. mainly a gut feeling ive had for a while
spies4hannah (12:01:52 AM): u?
spies4Zander (12:01:55 AM): I think she's going to stay in, I voted innocent
spies4Zander (12:02:23 AM): I just couldn't decide and thought that I'd rather see her speak up in the future than force her to leave when I have no clue on her alignment

spies4hannah (12:02:42 AM): well thats just the thing, she only speaks up when under fire
spies4Zander (12:02:45 AM): I don't think she is innocent per se... I just had a lot of internal conflict about the vote
spies4Zander (12:03:03 AM): No I agree, and if she fails to keep speaking up then she'll pretty much have my vote as soon as she's not safe anymore, pending what happens tonight
spies4hannah (12:03:34 AM): i just think we need to narrow down our suspects
spies4Zander (12:04:12 AM): I'm interested that she even GOT there in the first place. She was not on my list
spies4hannah (12:04:26 AM): she was on mine
spies4Zander (12:05:08 AM): I had Johan Cain and Kip
spies4Zander (12:07:23 AM): Gah I'm so freaking torn
spies4Zander (12:07:38 AM): Do you even think Bunni has enough votes to leave?
spies4hannah (12:07:50 AM): i have no idea
spies4Zander (12:07:58 AM): I know Singe said he voted to keep her
spies4Zander (12:08:00 AM): I think Kip did
spies4hannah (12:08:01 AM): but my personal gut is her going is a good thing
spies4Zander (12:08:11 AM): I'm still undecided.... gahhhhh
spies4Zander (12:08:37 AM): And I know that if I do vote to exile Bunni what I said in the burg will just be turned immediately against me
spies4Zander (12:09:02 AM): For me, it's like... Think about if you were in that situation.
spies4hannah (12:09:06 AM): sigh....well u can post explaining why u changed ur mind if u do change ur mind
spies4Zander (12:09:07 AM): Granted you are more helpful but still...
spies4hannah (12:15:31 AM): "i dont have time" means i didnt make any helpful posts ....
spies4Zander (12:16:48 AM): That's why I cut her off right there
spies4hannah (12:17:36 AM): i dnt know for certain if she is a spy, but she is not a helpful citizen
spies4Zander (12:26:50 AM): I wonder if she knows how incriminating this is
spies4hannah (12:27:00 AM): lol
spies4hannah (12:27:38 AM): omg are we dealing with a third grader here
spies4Zander (12:28:05 AM): Clearly
spies4Zander (12:28:07 AM): that's why she's shy
spies4hannah (12:28:15 AM): lol
spies4hannah (12:29:06 AM): this is hurting my brain
spies4hannah (12:32:14 AM): LOL
spies4hannah (12:32:19 AM): u are entertaining me
spies4Zander (12:32:33 AM): I was going to be like
spies4Zander (12:32:35 AM): One last question
spies4hannah (12:32:42 AM): are u retarded?
spies4Zander (12:32:44 AM): Why the HELL are you playing this game if you're too shy to do shit?
spies4hannah (12:32:49 AM): lol
spies4hannah (12:32:53 AM): i like mine too
spies4hannah (12:33:16 AM): are u in third grade?
spies4hannah (12:33:23 AM): have u grown pubic hair yet?
spies4hannah (12:33:29 AM): any of the above would suffice
spies4Zander (12:33:44 AM): LMAO
spies4Zander (12:33:49 AM): Love you beyond words
spies4hannah (12:34:05 AM): omg Kip joined the game like HOW late
spies4hannah (12:34:10 AM): bunni has been rude before
spies4Zander (12:34:21 AM): lol
spies4Zander (12:34:23 AM): definitely
spies4hannah (12:34:30 AM): and is inept at answering questions
spies4hannah (12:35:50 AM): okay Kip and Bunni can be the first members of the mafia special school
spies4Zander (12:36:02 AM): lmao
spies4hannah (11:39:45 PM): i think we shud all get to answer these questions, i cud have fun with them
spies4Zander (11:40:56 PM): lmao what kind of a question is that from Summer?
spies4hannah (11:47:28 PM): we shud totally get our own board lol
spies4Zander (11:48:08 PM): YES
spies4Zander (11:48:12 PM): But advocating that is awful
spies4Zander (11:48:17 PM): How do you determine who goes into what board
spies4hannah (11:48:23 PM): yeah true
spies4Zander (11:48:25 PM): we wanted to let Bev into our group and that almost turned out fatal
spies4hannah (11:49:07 PM): altho thank god we didnt. altho gordy pretty much told her everything
spies4Zander (11:49:24 PM): yeah
spies4hannah (11:49:46 PM): come on! these ppl are going to let her stay!
spies4Zander (11:50:45 PM): Idk who else voted guilty...
spies4Zander (11:52:03 PM): Did anyone else read what was said here?!
spies4hannah (11:52:14 PM): apparently everyone is retarded
spies4hannah signed off at 12:32:22 AM.

[Zander]

spies4Zander (12:00:43 PM): Hey
spies4Abrams (12:00:52 PM): Hey.
spies4Zander (12:01:02 PM): We haven't talked in a looong time lol
spies4Abrams (12:01:12 PM): Yeah.
spies4Zander (12:01:15 PM): How have you been?
spies4Abrams (12:01:29 PM): Good.
spies4Abrams (12:01:30 PM): You?
spies4Zander (12:01:49 PM): Okay, I guess... I was shaken up over the Madison thing but I'm over it now I guess
spies4Abrams (12:01:59 PM): Yeah.
spies4Abrams (12:02:04 PM): She was cit, right?
spies4Zander (12:02:06 PM): mmhmm
spies4Abrams (12:02:10 PM): I never actually saw the post.
spies4Zander (12:03:19 PM): I'm surprised that so many people voted for Bunni's innocence
spies4Abrams (12:03:29 PM): I know I did.
spies4Abrams (12:03:31 PM): I trust her.
spies4Zander (12:03:55 PM): Well I'd be a hypocrite if I asked why, considering I trusted Madison and she was rarely here and didn't contribute
spies4Zander (12:04:10 PM): but I'm not surprised that I haven't seen Bunni on since that trial
spies4Abrams (12:04:16 PM): Yeah.
spies4Zander (12:04:28 PM): If she didn't blatantly refuse to answer my question at the trial then I wouldn't have voted for her
spies4Abrams (12:04:42 PM): Ah hah.
spies4Zander (12:04:52 PM): and I still don't know whether she's a spy or not, my vote was regarding her helpfulness as a citizen. I'm SICK of people coasting. It's week 8 (I think?)
spies4Abrams (12:05:12 PM): Yeah.
spies4Zander (12:05:44 PM): *Sigh* Talking to you is like talking to an answering machine
spies4Abrams (12:05:56 PM): Sorry.
spies4Zander (12:06:14 PM): Why are you afraid to talk?
spies4Abrams (12:06:21 PM): 'm not.
spies4Zander (12:06:28 PM): (And don't take that the wrong way, because contrary to what you might think, I don't suspect you)
spies4Abrams (12:06:38 PM): Well, thanks for your support.
spies4Abrams (12:06:57 PM): I've noticed that all the people drumming up support for me to be exiled have turned out to be spies.
spies4Abrams (12:07:06 PM): Bev, Ange...
spies4Zander (12:07:19 PM): I was looking back through conversations last night for a classified reason...
spies4Zander (12:08:10 PM): And I noticed like a lot of my conversations with Beverly and Naomi and my latest spy suspect you were brought up (Especially in Episode 1 when you were an exile target) and I kept saying that I thought you were a citizen and they either quickly agreed with me after I said it or blatantly disagreed
spies4Abrams (12:08:42 PM): I'm quickly becoming the scapegoat.
spies4Zander (12:08:50 PM): The only spy I ever talked to that didn't 100% of the time follow and rephrase everything I've said, is Beverly
spies4Zander (12:09:17 PM): Do you really think you're a target for this week?
spies4Abrams (12:09:18 PM): And that's because her character was a loudmouth braggart.
spies4Abrams (12:09:28 PM): I'm thinking Cain is going this week.
spies4Abrams (12:09:34 PM): But then...
spies4Abrams (12:09:36 PM): I dunno.
spies4Abrams (12:09:40 PM): I'd certainly hope not.
spies4Zander (12:09:52 PM): I've heard Candy's name thrown around a lot, but I'm wondering how much substance is really there
spies4Abrams (12:09:58 PM): Many people have told me that they think I'm a cit.
spies4Abrams (12:09:58 PM): Candy.
spies4Zander (12:09:58 PM): Cain seems to be the one doing it from what I hear
spies4Abrams (12:10:04 PM): She's the one perosn I trust the most.
spies4Abrams (12:10:12 PM): Well, he needs to find someone.
spies4Zander (12:10:44 PM): I'm trying to figure out what to do about this family thing
spies4Zander (12:10:49 PM): who do you think you'll join up with?
spies4Abrams (12:11:02 PM): ?
spies4Abrams (12:11:18 PM): ...
spies4Abrams (12:11:19 PM): AGAIN?
spies4Abrams (12:11:22 PM): Jeezus.
spies4Zander (12:11:25 PM): Yeah I know
spies4Zander (12:11:32 PM): Candy and I were bitching about it last night
spies4Abrams (12:11:42 PM): Huh.
spies4Abrams (12:11:49 PM): Well, I dunno, I guess.
spies4Abrams (12:11:55 PM): I was late to the party last time.
spies4Abrams (12:12:04 PM): I got stuck with Bunni and Madi.
spies4Zander (12:12:42 PM): Well I know I'm not joining up with someone I suspect, but then joining up with people I trust the most makes my family a huge target
spies4Abrams (12:13:14 PM): Right.
spies4Abrams (12:13:24 PM): I'll either go for Candy, or someone who I don't really talk to.
spies4Zander (12:13:39 PM): Part of me wanted to join up with someone I suspected because then there was a good chance they wouldn't Imprison me
spies4Abrams (12:13:50 PM): Right.
spies4Abrams (12:13:56 PM): But then you couldn't vote for them.
spies4Zander (12:14:01 PM): Exactly
spies4Zander (12:14:07 PM): almost no matter what I do has drawbacks
spies4Abrams (12:14:33 PM): Well, yeah.
spies4Zander (12:15:04 PM): So, if you trust Candy and don't mind me asking... Who are your suspects right now?
spies4Abrams (12:15:12 PM): Cain...
spies4Abrams (12:15:17 PM): And that's really about it.
spies4Zander (12:15:31 PM): You only have one suspect???
spies4Abrams (12:15:43 PM): ...Yeah?
spies4Zander (12:15:47 PM): Wow
spies4Zander (12:15:50 PM): Sorry I'm just surprised lol
spies4Abrams (12:16:10 PM): There are some I find a little off, but none that really strike me as suspicious.
spies4Zander (12:16:22 PM): that's understandable
spies4Zander (12:17:00 PM): Right now my top 3 are Masaki, Cain, and Leon. Though I'd appreciate if you didnt say anything about that right before Imprisonment lol
spies4Abrams (12:17:10 PM): Sure.
spies4Zander (12:18:18 PM): Who do you think will go tonight?
spies4Abrams (12:18:27 PM): I really dunno.
spies4Abrams (12:18:43 PM): If he's not a spy, and the spies really wanna fuck with us, they'll take out Cain.
spies4Zander (12:19:06 PM): Wow I hadn't even thought of that lol
spies4Abrams (12:19:21 PM): True.
spies4Zander (12:19:29 PM): I'm really afraid it's going to be Candy
spies4Abrams (12:20:00 PM): I hope not.
spies4Zander (12:20:05 PM): And I think the "Exile Candy" thing might be taking flight to keep her safe... or it could be genuine, who knows
spies4Abrams (12:20:22 PM): I dunno.













GRGGHGHGHGHG You are SO DEVOID OF CONTRIBUTION.

[Zander]

spies4Zander (6:03:05 PM): tadaa
spies4Candy (6:03:21 PM): Applause or tomatoes?
spies4Candy (6:03:22 PM): Tomatoes
spies4Zander (6:03:28 PM):
spies4Candy (6:03:46 PM): Get my message?
spies4Zander (6:03:50 PM): Obviously
spies4Candy (6:03:55 PM): Good
spies4Zander (6:03:58 PM): I was never thinking about idling out
spies4Candy (6:04:06 PM): Mistaki said you were begging to be imprisoned
spies4Zander (6:04:15 PM): Basically
spies4Zander (6:04:28 PM): I'd rather go than see you go
spies4Zander (6:04:58 PM): Plus if I get Imprisoned it would leave little doubt that he's a spy
spies4Candy (6:05:55 PM): You know, this whole "I'll sacrifice myself for you" thing is making me uncomfortable
spies4Candy (6:06:00 PM): How about NEITHER of us get imprisoned
spies4Zander (6:06:15 PM): Why do you think I tried to disappear for a day to get spy eyes off of me
spies4Zander (6:06:26 PM): and why do you think I told Masaki that I felt like just begging to be Imprisoned publicly
spies4Candy (6:06:28 PM): Oh
spies4Zander (6:06:40 PM): If he's an Orthodox spy, it would be the dumbest move ever for him to Imprison me
spies4Candy (6:06:50 PM): So you're not as dumb as you look
spies4Zander (6:06:59 PM): But, even so, I'm still not happy with this week's outcome
spies4Candy (6:07:10 PM): Same
spies4Candy (6:07:16 PM): Still no idea on what Bunni is, and Madison left
spies4Zander (6:07:26 PM): mmhmm
spies4Candy (6:07:50 PM): I should have pushed for the vote
spies4Zander (6:08:02 PM): But whatever, at least the more I whine the less people focus on eliminating you in some aspects I guess. I don't think either of us will leave this week but I think it's smart for me to divert attention from you
spies4Zander (6:08:45 PM): How is this whole "Exile Candy" thing coming along?
spies4Candy (6:09:54 PM): Here's what confuses me
spies4Candy (6:10:01 PM): People have talked to Mistaki
spies4Candy (6:10:07 PM): He accuses me
spies4Candy (6:10:11 PM): Then people bring up points
spies4Candy (6:10:17 PM): And he goes "Mmm I have to talk to her and ask her"
spies4Candy (6:10:19 PM): He hasn't asked shit
spies4Candy (6:10:28 PM): We just talked for like half an hour
spies4Zander (6:10:34 PM): I'm not surprised
spies4Candy (6:10:41 PM): So I'm guessing he's still on with the plan
spies4Zander (6:10:58 PM): Last night before I signed off I basically told him I knew his identity in some crafty words and he freaked out a little lol
spies4Candy (6:11:12 PM): Do you?
spies4Zander (6:11:20 PM): I'm almost certain
spies4Candy (6:11:37 PM): Don't forget, someone knows yours
spies4Candy (6:11:53 PM): Tossing something like that around might bite you on the ass
spies4Zander (6:11:58 PM): Well, I haven't had to use accusations yet, and I don't plan on it
spies4Candy (6:12:25 PM): Interestingly, Mistaki doesn't want to exile Cain
spies4Candy (6:12:29 PM): Even though he thinks Cain's a spy
spies4Zander (6:12:32 PM): ...
spies4Candy (6:12:43 PM): He wants to try and sic Cain on the Orthodoxy spies
spies4Zander (6:12:44 PM): That's what I LOVE about people in this game. They never want to vote for who they actually suspect
spies4Zander (6:12:58 PM): Except by love it I mean FUCKING HATE IT
spies4Candy (6:13:01 PM): Isn't that bizarre?
spies4Candy (6:13:05 PM): You know what the funniest part is?
spies4Candy (6:13:07 PM): Do you remember in week 1
spies4Candy (6:13:15 PM): The whole "Inactive v active" thing?
spies4Candy (6:13:27 PM): And Mistaki going "Just vote for who you think is a spy. Period"
spies4Candy (6:13:35 PM): I've been thinking about his critiques
spies4Candy (6:13:43 PM): And the one that says he hasn't done that is right
spies4Zander (6:14:09 PM): So what do you think his motive in not doing that is?
spies4Candy (6:14:16 PM): The critique said fence sitting
spies4Candy (6:14:21 PM): And self preservation
spies4Zander (6:15:01 PM): I still suspect him more than Cain... but we'll probably have more pull getting Cain exiled and there's a strong chance they're both spies
spies4Candy (6:15:19 PM): I totally agree
spies4Candy (6:15:24 PM): There is a lot of strong evidence against Mistaki
spies4Zander (6:15:25 PM): Summer does too
spies4Candy (6:15:26 PM): I'm writing it up now
spies4Candy (6:15:43 PM): The difficult part is posting it
spies4Candy (6:15:50 PM): Do I post it before imprisonment?
spies4Zander (6:15:54 PM): NO
spies4Candy (6:15:58 PM): Do I have someone else post it for me? That's also suicide
spies4Candy (6:16:06 PM): It's one thing to stick my own neck out
spies4Candy (6:16:12 PM): It's another to make another player stick theirs out
spies4Candy (6:16:14 PM): Let's face it
spies4Zander (6:16:33 PM): Here's what I think would be smartest
spies4Candy (6:16:37 PM): I have no chance of surviving three consecutive rounds - the minimum I'd need to survive if we got spies out the next 3 exiles
spies4Zander (6:16:52 PM): Send what you have to at least one person in our group thing.. .Whatever chat we had last night
spies4Candy (6:16:52 PM): In other words, I'm not going to win this game
spies4Candy (6:17:09 PM): But then you'd have to post it
spies4Zander (6:17:30 PM): If one of us goes the other posts it, and you already know that I think you're more valuable than I am. If I have to post it to save you then I'll do it
spies4Zander (6:18:15 PM): More people listen to you than listen to me, and I don't mind being the one to put my neck on the line for once - you've done it how many times so far
spies4Candy (6:18:28 PM): You're a strange guy MAGIC BOY
spies4Candy (6:18:34 PM): Don't you care about winning?
spies4Candy (6:18:40 PM): Personal, not which side wins
spies4Zander (6:18:51 PM): I care about the citizens winning. Whether I'm in the end or not, if they win, I win
spies4Candy (6:18:57 PM): HAHA
spies4Candy (6:18:59 PM): Just like Ralph?
spies4Zander (6:18:59 PM): I don't care about Sam's win rule.
spies4Zander (6:19:04 PM): It's BS.
spies4Candy (6:19:09 PM): I think it's BS too
spies4Candy (6:19:25 PM): Ugh which is what makes this so hard
spies4Zander (6:19:34 PM): So if I have to die to help you get rid of the rest of the spies, then whatever, I at least helped unlike half the citizens who have left
spies4Candy (6:19:57 PM): Help me put together this case against Mistaki
spies4Candy (6:20:08 PM): Things you've seen or observed that I haven't
spies4Zander (6:20:10 PM): Will you be on later tonight?
spies4Candy (6:20:16 PM): BRB gotta get the piece of paper I jotted my stuff down on
spies4Candy (6:20:19 PM): And I will be if you want me to be
spies4Zander (6:20:22 PM): I have something going on for a while tonight and I'll be back later to help you do it
spies4Candy (6:20:30 PM): OK
spies4Zander (6:20:35 PM): K, see you later
spies4Zander (12:50:07 AM): hey
spies4Zander (12:50:15 AM): I'm gonna start looking now
spies4Candy (12:50:54 AM): Hey
spies4Candy (12:51:07 AM): Good
spies4Candy (12:51:17 AM): I have an idea I want to bounce off of you
spies4Zander (12:51:32 AM): sure
spies4Candy (12:51:49 AM): At this point there are several people I trust
spies4Candy (12:51:56 AM): For various reasons
spies4Candy (12:52:21 AM): Ugh
spies4Candy (12:52:25 AM): Okay
spies4Zander (12:52:32 AM): lol
spies4Candy (12:52:35 AM): I keep going back and forth on this
spies4Candy (12:52:36 AM): Not on who I trust
spies4Candy (12:52:41 AM): But on whether I should try to unite them
spies4Candy (12:53:34 AM): The plan I've been toying with is to make my PM on Mistaki
spies4Candy (12:53:43 AM): And then PM bits of it to the people I trust
spies4Zander (12:53:45 AM): brb, keep going
spies4Candy (12:53:54 AM): Give one master list on who I've included to someone
spies4Candy (12:54:11 AM): Instruct that if I'm imprisoned, you are all to post your bits
spies4Candy (12:54:27 AM): That way the Mistaki suspicion gets pushed out
spies4Candy (12:54:42 AM): And the people I trust all find out who they should work with
spies4Candy (12:54:54 AM): But it also carries the risk of unnecessarily exposing a few people
spies4Zander (12:59:17 AM): Exposing a few people how? As innocent?
spies4Candy (12:59:25 AM): Yeah
spies4Candy (12:59:42 AM): Right now there are 2 people you should be trusting but you don't know about them
spies4Candy (12:59:47 AM): And they have NO idea on you
spies4Candy (1:00:22 AM): This is in addition to some people you do know about
spies4Zander (1:00:51 AM): It could be dangerous to share all of this info with several people, but... In the event that you do go it could be detrimental if this information is only kept with you...
spies4Zander (1:01:05 AM): (Final Families?)
spies4Candy (1:01:12 AM): I booed at that
spies4Zander (1:01:15 AM): I agree
spies4Zander (1:01:20 AM): What the hell is the point
spies4Candy (1:01:21 AM): Though it does mean I get to vote for Mistaki
spies4Zander (1:01:40 AM): Who do you think it would be smart for me to be in a family with?
spies4Candy (1:02:02 AM): Hmmm
spies4Zander (1:02:05 AM): Going with you would be stupid and dangerous
spies4Zander (1:02:08 AM): maybe Summer
spies4Candy (1:02:18 AM): This is definitely tricky
spies4Candy (1:02:32 AM): There are 6 people I do NOT want to be in a family with because I want to be able to vote for them
spies4Zander (1:02:36 AM): I could try to be in a family with Masaki...
spies4Zander (1:02:41 AM): But then we lose a vote against him
spies4Candy (1:02:42 AM): No because you can't vote for him
spies4Candy (1:02:57 AM): And I am nearly certain he's a spy
spies4Zander (1:03:15 AM): I found some stuff on my early feelings on Masaki
spies4Zander (1:03:24 AM): apparently my family's first three suspects were him, Kip, and Abrams
spies4Zander (1:03:36 AM): after my first chat with him, I said this in my confessional...
spies4Zander (1:03:45 AM): I think Masaki is a piece of crap, to be honest... I have no idea what angle he's going for here, and he's basically just being a jerk... Plus he's targeting Gordy and I won't let that fly."
spies4Candy (1:04:16 AM): OK that's good
spies4Zander (1:04:29 AM): Masaki wanted anyone that wanted inactives gone, gone as well
spies4Zander (1:04:37 AM): spies4Ralph (5:04:15 PM): spies4Ralph (4:01:49 PM): so what are u thikning for first exile vote
spies4Masaki (4:03:37 PM): gordy possibly
spies4Masaki (4:03:52 PM): or anyone who's going hard for the innactive policy.
spies4Zander (1:05:00 AM): spies4Zander (5:05:12 PM): I do not trust Masaki... I talked to him for a little bit and I just did not like what he said (Which was very little to begin with)
spies4Zander (5:05:21 PM): he is probably pushing against going for inactives because he is very quiet
spies4Candy (1:05:18 AM): I'm thinking a different reason
spies4Candy (1:05:20 AM): Wow
spies4Candy (1:05:21 AM): That fits
spies4Candy (1:05:22 AM): That's great
spies4Candy (1:05:30 AM): Two reasons
spies4Candy (1:05:45 AM): 1) Look at who went for the inactive policy
spies4Candy (1:05:56 AM): Lloyd ... Jeremiah ...
spies4Candy (1:06:12 AM): Both citizens
spies4Candy (1:06:52 AM): 2) Fits the spy policy of "Keep inactives in so Sam can throw them out"
spies4Candy (1:07:18 AM): I'm telling you, the spies had a great time last night when they found out Madison was kicked out
spies4Candy (1:07:27 AM): It's one less citizen they need to defeat to get to the end
spies4Zander (1:07:31 AM):
spies4Zander (1:07:35 AM): I found more about Masaki...
spies4Zander (1:08:10 AM): Also in episode one, he went on this big rant telling me about what I missed during the day... I can't tell if this is more against him wanting me to suspect Martha or Abrams or Jeremiah
spies4Zander (1:08:28 AM): spies4Masaki (12:26:59 AM): People have been targetting Abrams because of his arrogrance. It all started yesterday or the day before in a chat room, Jeremiah said he was going ot threaten Beverly if she didn't drop the act with her caps lock. She resisted,and Jeremiah and the others in the room said they wanted Abrams out because he seems to act "more important than he really is" They basically said they thought he was trying to come across as overly important so people would cling to him, rather than suspect him.
spies4Masaki (12:27:29 AM): Well, Martha doesn't buy into the whole thing(neither do I, personally), and has been defending Abrams. Somewhere along the line, she became a target alongside Abrams, and they're both pretty much up for exile from what I hear.
spies4Zander (1:08:43 AM): spies4Zander (12:27:44 AM): about Abrams being full of himself...
spies4Zander (12:28:16 AM): It seems people are already trying to miscontrue (sp?) information
spies4Candy (1:08:59 AM): Misconstrue
spies4Zander (1:09:21 AM): He also confesses having a neutral stance on the exile targets, Martha & Abrams
spies4Candy (1:09:29 AM): Which he did EVERY exile
spies4Zander (1:09:45 AM): I was neutral too only because I had not talked to Martha and Abrams has never really rubbed me the wrong way
spies4Candy (1:09:50 AM): I didn't even think about this until a critique pointed it out
spies4Candy (1:10:11 AM): Yeah ... except I know you're a citizen
spies4Candy (1:10:12 AM): HAHA
spies4Zander (1:10:14 AM): And he claimed to be neutral ONLY AFTER I told him I had no opinion on Martha and I felt like Abrams wasn't spylike
spies4Zander (1:10:38 AM): spies4Zander (12:33:58 AM): I think they were bouth founded as suspects for the wrong reasons...
spies4Masaki (12:38:11 AM): I think someone is blowing this way out of proportions
spies4Zander (1:10:54 AM): Every freaking THING I say in this conversation he restates in different terms
spies4Candy (1:11:19 AM): Oh wow
spies4Candy (1:11:20 AM): Does he?
spies4Candy (1:11:24 AM): I would love to see if he does that in my convos
spies4Zander (1:11:36 AM): OOOH
spies4Zander (1:11:41 AM): Bingo
spies4Zander (1:12:05 AM): spies4Naomi (12:54:51 AM): and I think I have a few people in mind
spies4Naomi (12:55:02 AM): you first
spies4Zander (12:55:04 AM): Do you mind if I ask who you are thinking?
spies4Zander (12:55:07 AM): hah
spies4Naomi (12:55:10 AM):
spies4Naomi (12:55:14 AM): beat ya
spies4Zander (1:12:16 AM): spies4Zander (12:56:02 AM): I find Masaki to be suspicious, to be honest... I think he shares little of his own mind. I also see Emma on but don't see her contributing much, and that makes me a bit concerned... Those are really my biggest eye raisers so far, but I have nothing completely solid
spies4Naomi (12:56:15 AM): hmm...
spies4Naomi (12:56:38 AM): I seem to be finding myself discussing a lot with masaki, but that may be the family thing
spies4Zander (1:12:21 AM): LOOK AT THAT
spies4Zander (1:12:46 AM): spies4Naomi (12:57:00 AM): as of emma, she's a little under the radar.
spies4Naomi (12:57:06 AM): yeah
spies4Naomi (12:57:39 AM): well those are fairly reasonable
spies4Zander (12:57:42 AM): How about yours?
spies4Naomi (12:57:51 AM): mine happen to be beverly and candy
spies4Zander (1:12:58 AM): spies4Zander (12:58:35 AM): Beverly, really?
spies4Naomi (12:58:38 AM): beverly is mostly based on, who is she fooling? It's an act and it's obvious. So what does she have to hide?
spies4Zander (1:13:07 AM): Why would she call out her spy partner so early on?
spies4Candy (1:13:13 AM): She voted for her
spies4Zander (1:13:21 AM): And how ironic is it that I nailed one spy to a spy on the same team lol
spies4Zander (1:13:29 AM): Possibly even two spies to a spy on the same team
spies4Candy (1:13:32 AM): You want to see coincidence?
spies4Zander (1:13:39 AM): sure lol
spies4Candy (1:13:47 AM): Angelica's list:
Ralph is my #1, assuming he isn't Exiled this round. But if he is...
1. Naomi
2. Masaki
3. Leon
4. Zander
5. Madison
spies4Candy (1:13:56 AM): Naomi at #1
spies4Candy (1:14:06 AM): 2 citizens
spies4Candy (1:14:11 AM): Then Masaki and Leon
spies4Candy (1:14:13 AM): Leon's list:
Leon
Naomi
Gordy
Beverly
Candy
spies4Candy (1:14:24 AM): Gordy, Beverly, Candy
spies4Candy (1:14:28 AM): Naomi at #1 if you take Leon himself out
spies4Candy (1:14:42 AM): Mistaki:
spies4Candy (1:14:42 AM): Gordy
Beverly
Candy
spies4Candy (1:14:52 AM): Whoops
spies4Candy (1:14:53 AM): Masaki's investigation list:
Naomi
Candy
Beverly
spies4Candy (1:14:56 AM): Naomi at #1
spies4Candy (1:15:00 AM): Candy and Beverly
spies4Zander (1:15:09 AM): You're so popular :-P
spies4Candy (1:15:14 AM): Remember how the orthodoxy spies knew about Naomi?
spies4Candy (1:15:19 AM): All 3 of these guys have her at sot #1
spies4Candy (1:15:20 AM): slot
spies4Zander (1:15:32 AM): Masaki, Leon, and Angelica?
spies4Candy (1:15:36 AM): Yeah
spies4Zander (1:15:58 AM): That is epic
spies4Zander (1:16:02 AM): I found even more from Naomi
spies4Zander (1:16:23 AM): Me on Bev
spies4Zander (1:16:23 AM): spies4Zander (12:58:57 AM): Yes, that is true, but I find it to seem more of a citizen defense than anything else... She also acted that way pre-game
spies4Zander (1:16:40 AM): spies4Zander (12:59:13 AM): I'm interested in your suspicion of Candy, as I don't have much to go on with her either, but she certainly doesn't seem helpful
spies4Naomi (1:00:29 AM): remember the applications. Beverly must have told sam she'd enjoy playing spy and had an idea for it. I have no way of seeing that act as a citizen defense, regardless of whether she acted like that pre game or not.
spies4Naomi (1:00:56 AM): Although, I can see it being a citizen hiding a role of some sort
spies4Zander (1:16:48 AM): spies4Naomi (1:01:03 AM): on candy...
spies4Naomi (1:01:34 AM): Some things I discussed with sherri before she left made me suspect both of them
spies4Naomi (1:01:58 AM): obviously if sherri was a citizen, I can trust what she told me
spies4Zander (1:17:03 AM): spies4Naomi (1:02:13 AM): but it seems sherri caught candy in a lie
spies4Naomi (1:02:21 AM): I haven't told anyone else this btw
spies4Zander (1:03:35 AM): Really? Would you mind telling me what it was?
spies4Naomi (1:03:54 AM): ah...
spies4Naomi (1:04:11 AM): I think it was something about beverly telling candy something
spies4Zander (1:17:29 AM): spies4Naomi (1:04:26 AM): and then candy lied about where she got the information to sherri
spies4Naomi (1:04:41 AM): beverly told sherri where candy got the info
spies4Naomi (1:05:00 AM): honestly, I think either beverly or candy is a spy
spies4Candy (1:18:20 AM): I know what she's talking about
spies4Candy (1:18:22 AM): It was stupid
spies4Candy (1:18:31 AM): I told Sherri that Bev and Abrams had stopped fighting
spies4Candy (1:18:37 AM): She said "Yeah who told you?"
spies4Candy (1:18:39 AM): I said "Bev and Abrams"
spies4Candy (1:18:53 AM): She said she didn't like my attitude and that I was probably a spy
spies4Zander (1:19:08 AM): lol
spies4Zander (1:21:30 AM): Jesus I should go through old conversations more often
spies4Candy (1:22:15 AM): It's excellent
spies4Candy (1:22:16 AM): It really is
spies4Candy (1:24:21 AM): Oh one thing you need to know
spies4Candy (1:24:23 AM): Sorry before I forget
spies4Candy (1:24:30 AM): Mistaki wants to NOT exile Cain
spies4Candy (1:24:37 AM): He wants to try and sic Cain on the Orthodoxy spies
spies4Candy (1:24:43 AM): You need to make sure this does not happen
spies4Candy (1:24:50 AM): Because the last traditionalist spy knows you're a confirmed citizen
spies4Candy (1:25:02 AM): If you can get the traditionalist spy out this exile, they can't imprison you next
spies4Zander (1:25:04 AM): How certain are we that Cain is a traditionalist?
spies4Zander (1:25:25 AM): There's also a chance that the orthodoxy knows too
spies4Zander (1:25:35 AM): Depending on when Gordy found out this information he could have told Angelica
spies4Candy (1:25:40 AM): Oh right
spies4Candy (1:25:42 AM): Angelica
spies4Candy (1:25:43 AM): Shit
spies4Zander (1:26:03 AM): Whoa this is weird...
spies4Candy (1:26:07 AM): Well we are speculating that the orthodoxy spies know
spies4Candy (1:26:15 AM): We are pretty sure the traditionalist spies know
spies4Zander (1:26:18 AM): Masaki is like trying to get me to wonder why there was an Imprisonment delay
spies4Candy (1:26:26 AM): He did that to you too huh?
spies4Zander (1:26:29 AM): yeah
spies4Zander (1:26:45 AM): He actually told me Imprisonment was the night before it actually was, too
spies4Zander (1:27:31 AM): Is that as weird as I think it is?
spies4Candy (1:28:16 AM): Show
spies4Zander (1:28:44 AM): Gah I just navigated away
spies4Zander (1:28:45 AM): Hold up
spies4Zander (1:31:37 AM): spies4Masaki (7:30:29 PM): Hey Z
spies4Zander (7:30:32 PM): Hey Masaki
spies4Zander (7:30:34 PM): how are you doing?
spies4Masaki (7:30:39 PM): Not bad, you?
spies4Zander (1:31:48 AM): spies4Zander (7:30:54 PM): I'm okay I guess...
spies4Masaki (7:30:59 PM): Worried about tonight?
spies4Zander (7:31:04 PM): Something's tonight?
spies4Masaki (7:31:11 PM): Yeah Imprisonment
spies4Zander (1:31:59 AM): spies4Masaki (7:31:36 PM): Hopefully it tells us something at least.

[Zander]

spies4Zander (7:32:25 PM): True, but there aren't that many Imprisonments that would do so I think
spies4Zander (7:32:50 PM): The spies will probably pick someone that's a bit quieter but still a threat to them
spies4Masaki (7:33:03 PM): I hope that isn't me
spies4Zander (1:32:11 AM): spies4Masaki (7:33:07 PM): I'm definitely not the most vocal
spies4Zander (7:33:07 PM): I agree
spies4Zander (7:33:36 PM): I've tried to become more vocal after Exile to keep myself safe from Imprisonment, but that appears to have just made me a possible exile target or something, hah
spies4Masaki (7:41:55 PM): thus begins the never-ending cycle
spies4Zander (1:32:21 AM): spies4Zander (7:42:15 PM): The never-ending cycle that sucks
spies4Masaki (7:42:53 PM): yeah
spies4Masaki (7:43:07 PM): a lot of people took it too far last season
spies4Zander (7:43:25 PM): Yeah, I saw that hah
spies4Candy (1:32:57 AM): Not seeing anything there to be honest
spies4Zander (1:33:19 AM): Hold on, I want to doublecheck something
spies4Candy (1:33:25 AM): I am coming across the part where Mistaki's saying I'm the fatemaker
spies4Candy (1:33:33 AM): Has he said this to you?
spies4Zander (1:33:56 AM): I don't recall, I'll have to look
spies4Zander (1:34:01 AM): I'm focused on other stuff right now
spies4Candy (1:34:55 AM): OK when you're not, remind me about this
spies4Candy (1:35:00 AM): Because this is a crucial part of my argument
spies4Zander (1:37:22 AM): OKAY, I got it.
spies4Zander (1:37:31 AM): I posted that conversation at this time in my conversations thing...
spies4Zander (1:37:32 AM): Reply #8 on Oct 13, 2007, 10:38am »
spies4Zander (1:37:40 AM): The Imprisonment from Sam was posted at this time
spies4Zander (1:37:55 AM): « Thread Started on Oct 13, 2007, 6:05pm »
spies4Zander (1:38:08 AM): But the Imprisonment was fully posted that next morning
spies4Zander (1:38:18 AM): And the conversation with Masaki was on the night of the 12th
spies4Zander (1:38:44 AM): So what am I saying?
spies4Candy (1:38:48 AM): Not sure
spies4Zander (1:39:46 AM): Is it possible Masaki accidentally confused the time his Imprisonment choice was due with the real time of the Imprisonment? I'm trying to look at past seasons to reference this
spies4Zander (1:40:04 AM): I remember thinking this earlier in the game and it was driving me nuts cause I couldn't remember who told me Imprisonment was a day before it actually was
spies4Candy (1:40:56 AM): No idea MAGIC BOY
spies4Zander (1:41:23 AM): I HAVE IT.
spies4Zander (1:42:15 AM): spies3.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=spyhq9384&action=display&thread=1178905626
spies4Zander (1:42:31 AM): spies3.proboards81.com/index.cgi?board=fac35355&action=display&thread=1179099024
spies4Zander (1:42:39 AM): They had their decision in the day before that Imprisonment
spies4Zander (1:42:47 AM): or is that just circumstance?
spies4Candy (1:43:08 AM): You'd have to check deadlines with postings
spies4Candy (1:43:15 AM): If I had to guess though I'd say same day to allow them time to change
spies4Zander (1:43:32 AM): fuck. Well it was worth a shot
spies4Candy (1:43:51 AM): Damn did these people post a lot
spies4Zander (1:45:58 AM): Did Masaki ever tell you he suspected Madison?
spies4Zander (1:46:01 AM): Specifically in week 3?
spies4Zander (1:46:04 AM): Or 2
spies4Candy (1:46:23 AM): He told someone that a few days ago
spies4Candy (1:46:27 AM): But I'll check
spies4Zander (1:46:37 AM): spies4Masaki (2:10:50 PM): What did you think about the Madison vote?
spies4Zander (2:11:16 PM): Honestly, I still do NOT think Madison is a spy and I thought her basically being blindsided was BS
spies4Zander (2:11:30 PM): Her being a target just seems too easy to me
spies4Masaki (2:13:56 PM): Good
spies4Masaki (2:13:59 PM): That's how I feel as well
spies4Candy (1:47:37 AM): He's repeating it back to you
spies4Zander (1:47:50 AM): mmhmm. again.
spies4Zander (1:48:20 AM): Urgh I'm getting so depressed skipping over these conversations with Madison
spies4Candy (1:48:31 AM): You see Sam's away message?
spies4Zander (1:48:42 AM): no
spies4Candy (1:48:50 AM): It says "Deal with it!"
spies4Candy (1:48:57 AM): I said I liked to be quoted
spies4Candy (1:49:05 AM): So he quoted me from a convo I had with Mistaki earlier today
spies4Candy (1:49:11 AM): You need to deal with it.
spies4Zander (1:49:15 AM): lol
spies4Candy (1:49:28 AM): You'll see her at the end of the game
spies4Zander (1:49:32 AM): Well... I'm doing my best
spies4Zander (1:49:52 AM): Not too much I could find in Episode 3
spies4Zander (1:52:08 AM): Masaki also tried to tell me in Week 6 that if the Orthodoxy spies knew about Naomi, they would vote to exile Beverly... not surprising or anything but he really pushed the idea
spies4Zander (1:52:46 AM): And Masaki started defending Cain in Week 6 from what I can see
spies4Zander (1:52:55 AM): he says the Orthodoxy was probably the group pushing for Cain's exile
spies4Candy (1:53:24 AM): No week 6 is important
spies4Candy (1:53:26 AM): Very important
spies4Candy (1:53:35 AM): This is the week he started to build his case up against me
spies4Candy (1:53:42 AM): Look at what he's insinuating
spies4Zander (1:53:47 AM): Masaki thinks Hannah Johan or Adelaide or Orthodoxy spies in this conversation
spies4Zander (1:53:57 AM): spies4Masaki (1:31:40 AM): I think the Orthodoxy took Beverly out
spies4Masaki (1:31:47 AM): I don't think Candy is a Spy
spies4Candy (1:54:24 AM): So why is he trying to get people to think I'm lying about how I knew about Bev?
spies4Candy (1:54:32 AM): I actually know the answer to this question
spies4Zander (1:54:44 AM): lol which is?
spies4Candy (1:55:02 AM): He thinks I'm the fatemaker
spies4Candy (1:55:18 AM): spies4Masaki: You're the fatemaker.
spies4Masaki: Aren't you?
spies4Candy: No
spies4Candy (1:55:25 AM): spies4Masaki: I can't see why there'd be three investigations in this game
spies4Zander (1:55:28 AM): He says nothing to me about a fatemaker that I can see
spies4Candy (1:55:41 AM): spies4Masaki: This is the episode after Angelica claimed someone called the fatemaker got an investigation
spies4Candy: I got mine at the end of round 2
spies4Candy (1:55:59 AM): He posted it publically
spies4Zander (1:56:07 AM): I'm confused at why he believes absolutely everything Angelica claimed
spies4Zander (1:56:27 AM): Not to say she was lying one way or another, but that's pretty 1) Stupid and 2) Ballsy
spies4Candy (1:56:48 AM): Does he?
spies4Zander (1:57:01 AM): I keep hearing about that Fatemaker thing
spies4Candy (1:57:02 AM): He knows that Angelica told the truth on Naomi because Naomi actually did turn up as a spy
spies4Zander (1:57:06 AM): and he seems so hung up on it
spies4Candy (1:57:13 AM): He is
spies4Candy (1:57:18 AM): This is a huge part of my case
spies4Candy (1:57:33 AM): He knows more than he shold
spies4Candy (1:57:38 AM): There is something going on there.
spies4Zander (1:57:41 AM): So why are we in a chat with him now? lol
spies4Candy (1:57:48 AM): Because I'm curious
spies4Zander (1:59:15 AM): *yawn*. Clearly this won't go anywhere
spies4Candy (1:59:29 AM): Probably
spies4Zander (2:00:11 AM): Okay, I'm going to sleep. I have to give blood early tomorrow... Let me know if anything productive comes up.
spies4Candy (2:00:20 AM): Kickass
spies4Candy (2:00:28 AM): Thanks for your help MAGIC BOY
spies4Zander (2:00:46 AM): No problem. Like I said let me know if you find anything else out
spies4Zander (2:00:57 AM): night
spies4Candy (2:01:02 AM): Night
spies4Candy signed off at 3:21:41 AM.

[Zander]

spies4Singe (5:40:32 PM): Got any leads?
spies4Singe (5:40:57 PM): I'm about to go over the totality of Cain info and see if I really think he's NOT the last Trad
spies4Singe (5:41:05 PM): which is how i'm leaning at present
spies4Zander (5:43:43 PM): Hey sorry about that
spies4Zander (5:43:47 PM): I took a little Guitar Hero break :-P
spies4Singe (5:43:53 PM): what song?
spies4Zander (5:43:57 PM): Stellar
spies4Singe (5:44:00 PM): love that game
spies4Zander (5:44:01 PM): I just bought Guitar Hero 1
spies4Singe (5:44:09 PM): oh nice, that's the only one i have right now
spies4Zander (5:44:13 PM): I'm fairly new to it but I'm already on Expert Career
spies4Singe (5:44:22 PM): nice
spies4Zander (5:44:24 PM): I bought 2 but I want to beat 1 before I start it
spies4Zander (5:44:25 PM): yeah
spies4Zander (5:44:34 PM): Anyway, I agree with you there, if Cain is a spy I don't think he's the Traditionalist.
spies4Singe (5:44:38 PM): ok
spies4Zander (5:44:42 PM): I'm almost completely certain that Masaki is a spy
spies4Singe (5:44:44 PM): so if it bears out
spies4Zander (5:44:47 PM): and I really think he's the traditionalist
spies4Singe (5:44:49 PM): we need to start the campaing
spies4Singe (5:45:00 PM): oh really?
spies4Singe (5:45:02 PM): wow
spies4Singe (5:45:22 PM): the things that would lead me to believe that
spies4Singe (5:45:29 PM): 1) his fake fights with bev and naomi
spies4Zander (5:45:53 PM): I looked at almost conversation I've had with him in the entire game... He takes everything I say and agrees with it. But his actions reflect differently. He also attacked Angelica's claim to defend Naomi, which I found really suspicious after Naomi did turn out to be a spy
spies4Singe (5:46:08 PM): interesting
spies4Zander (5:46:10 PM): He's afraid to state his own opinions, and when he does it seems that he was defending Naomi. I don't quite get why
spies4Singe (5:46:15 PM): ill need to go back and look at that
spies4Zander (5:46:31 PM): I also looked at Naomi conversations and she seemed to try to turn my eyes away from Masaki
spies4Zander (5:46:44 PM): I had actually forgotten that I talked to her a lot early on lol
spies4Zander (5:47:07 PM): Who are you feeling right now?
spies4Singe (5:47:27 PM): it depends on how the first of leon/candy to die comes up
spies4Singe (5:47:47 PM): because when i confronted leon with a fake inv result
spies4Singe (5:47:56 PM): his reaction was WAY weird
spies4Singe (5:48:06 PM): and he ran straight to candy
spies4Singe (5:48:14 PM): which is also weird
spies4Singe (5:48:23 PM): so it's hard for me to see past that
spies4Zander (5:48:31 PM): mmhmm
spies4Singe (5:48:33 PM): but that's only possible if they're the last two orthos
spies4Zander (5:48:43 PM): (Leon Cain and Masaki are all my Top 3 suspects)
spies4Singe (5:48:47 PM): masaki has been a bit sketchy
spies4Singe (5:48:51 PM): cain huh
spies4Zander (5:48:54 PM): although the way that Cain acts like he doesn't really care makes me want to not suspect him as much
spies4Singe (5:48:56 PM): so you DON'T think he's the trad
spies4Singe (5:49:05 PM): but think he's an ortho
spies4Zander (5:49:09 PM): I think he could be an Orthodox, that's what I implied earlier lol
spies4Singe (5:49:13 PM): interesting
spies4Singe (5:49:26 PM): i thought at one point i'd seen something pointing to him NOT being an ortho
spies4Singe (5:49:30 PM): i forget what
spies4Zander (5:49:35 PM): I still think the spies are working together even though they're on different teams
spies4Singe (5:49:35 PM): reading his posts right now though
spies4Singe (5:49:39 PM): oh?
spies4Singe (5:49:41 PM): how so?
spies4Singe (5:49:47 PM): sam said they couldnt
spies4Zander (5:49:49 PM): Think about it - why haven't spies Imprisoned other spies yet?
spies4Singe (5:49:55 PM): think he changed the rules?
spies4Zander (5:50:06 PM): Sam's infamous for holding out information - I wouldn't be surprised
spies4Singe (5:50:07 PM): because they didnt have to--they knew the burg would do the lifting
spies4Singe (5:50:18 PM): the burg is desperate to hang anyone
spies4Zander (5:50:24 PM): Except Bunni
spies4Singe (5:50:28 PM): look at it this way
spies4Singe (5:50:34 PM): if cain were proclaimed innocent
spies4Singe (5:50:41 PM): who would be the next exile target?
spies4Singe (5:50:50 PM): is there even a backup suspicion?
spies4Zander (5:50:59 PM): Not amongst the majority, I'm sure
spies4Singe (5:51:14 PM): so if there's a suspicion out there like there was with bev or naomi
spies4Singe (5:51:18 PM): and ang
spies4Zander (5:51:20 PM): Every exile I've voted for who I suspect the most and who I genuinely think is a spy. I don't care what other people think, that's not going to change how I play
spies4Singe (5:51:29 PM): the spies can just wait til the cits axe them
spies4Singe (5:51:47 PM): i actually posted early in the game
spies4Singe (5:51:55 PM): that we SHOULDNT always axe known spies
spies4Zander (5:52:00 PM): That's why everyone has to start speaking up. In a 15 person game half the people should not be barely active
spies4Singe (5:52:05 PM): that we should make the spies do their share with imprisses
spies4Singe (5:52:20 PM): yeah i know jack shit about 7-8 players
spies4Zander (5:52:25 PM): I just wonder if they ever really would. Keeping known spies in the game is SO dangerous
spies4Singe (5:52:27 PM): including to some extent you
spies4Zander (5:52:46 PM): Well we haven't talked for about 3 or 4 weeks :-P
spies4Singe (5:52:52 PM): yeah
spies4Singe (5:52:54 PM): get this:
spies4Zander (5:52:57 PM): I was wondering when you'd IM me, I didn't want to break the ice lol
spies4Singe (5:53:01 PM): "Sam I am curious how the minor spies had no idea that there was another group of spies after the second imprisonment. Did you make them choose from a select few for imprisonment? How did they not know there was another group of spies? Or did you tell them that there were two players who knew they were getting imprisoned first?"
spies4Singe (5:53:16 PM): does that sound liek a phony question?
spies4Singe (5:53:28 PM): or does it sound like a person with no knowledge
spies4Zander (5:53:51 PM): The former, although I wouldn't rule the second one completely out
spies4Zander (5:53:59 PM): People in this game don't seem to be terribly intelligent
spies4Singe (5:54:00 PM): so it sounds a bit phony?
spies4Zander (5:54:04 PM): A bit, yes
spies4Singe (5:54:08 PM): ok, it's Cain
spies4Singe (5:54:19 PM): so that would add to your ortho suspicions of him
spies4Zander (5:54:36 PM): Well it would technically add to both
spies4Singe (5:54:46 PM): sure
spies4Zander (5:54:48 PM): That question is a "divert attention from my knowledge" question
spies4Zander (5:54:58 PM): but like I said before, not feeling him being the traditionalist, mostly cause I think that's Masaki
spies4Zander (5:55:13 PM): Although I haven't told Masaki this yet cause I want to see if I can get more evidence out of him
spies4Singe (5:55:46 PM): i wont tell him you said so
spies4Singe (5:55:53 PM): i told him yesterday i suspected him
spies4Singe (5:56:04 PM): then I told himn I knew his identity
spies4Zander (5:56:09 PM): NO WAY
spies4Zander (5:56:15 PM): I told him I knew his identity right after the Trial lol
spies4Singe (5:56:15 PM): yeah way
spies4Zander (5:56:19 PM): He freaked out
spies4Singe (5:56:23 PM): heh
spies4Zander (5:56:27 PM): I've known all game
spies4Singe (5:56:30 PM): he must be paranoid now lol
spies4Singe (5:56:33 PM): how did you know?
spies4Zander (5:56:36 PM): but I figured it was time to tell him so I can gather more evidence
spies4Singe (5:56:37 PM): style?
spies4Zander (5:56:55 PM): That, yes... Trust me, when the game is over you'll understand why
spies4Singe (5:57:00 PM): i was told by another player
spies4Zander (5:57:11 PM): I see no reason to accuse anyone though
spies4Singe (5:57:13 PM): so that means three players alive know his ID
spies4Zander (5:57:29 PM): Getting someone exiled via accusation is like cheating
spies4Singe (5:57:33 PM): well, i was more worried about him as a spy killing me for my knowledge
spies4Singe (5:57:44 PM): but now that you know as well
spies4Singe (5:57:54 PM): he'd have to axe all three and that's not practical
spies4Zander (5:58:16 PM): I have a feeling I'm going tonight anyway
spies4Singe (5:58:19 PM): really?
spies4Zander (5:58:21 PM): Yeah
spies4Singe (5:58:21 PM): i doubt it
spies4Singe (5:58:31 PM): i'd guess Candy or Summer
spies4Singe (5:58:34 PM): mabe me
spies4Zander (5:58:43 PM): I'm almost 90% sure it's me or Candy
spies4Singe (5:58:52 PM): because of your identity?
spies4Zander (5:58:57 PM): Candy for obvious reasons, me for reasons that aren't so obvious
spies4Singe (5:59:01 PM): people know you're a better player than you're letting on?
spies4Zander (5:59:18 PM): Lol, it's not that I'm a better player, it's just that I'm vocal
spies4Zander (5:59:24 PM): And more vocal than I'm letting on
spies4Singe (5:59:28 PM): you've held back
spies4Singe (5:59:37 PM): yeah, does masaki know who you are?
spies4Zander (5:59:44 PM): Could be.
spies4Singe (5:59:52 PM): he thinks you're a quality player
spies4Singe (5:59:58 PM): capable of leading in a way you havent thus far
spies4Zander (6:00:09 PM): He has taken a guess at how I know who he is but I don't believe he truly knows
spies4Singe (6:00:15 PM): that's good
spies4Zander (6:00:34 PM): Well I've always followed my gut, I just haven't had time to shine up to this point I guess. And now that our most outspoken are gone, it's time for me to step up whatever those repercussions will be
spies4Singe (6:00:42 PM): yup
spies4Singe (6:00:54 PM): the next few exiles/imprisses should be:
spies4Singe (6:01:07 PM): you, me, candy, masaki, leon, cain
spies4Singe (6:01:19 PM): 4 smart players, 2 suspicious people
spies4Zander (6:01:22 PM): mmhmm
spies4Singe (6:01:36 PM): so we really need to give the lazy final 9 a lot to work with
spies4Zander (6:01:40 PM): Hopefully Summer can then win it for us. I have no expectations to make it to the endgame
spies4Singe (6:01:43 PM): basically map it all out for them lol
spies4Singe (6:01:51 PM): oh, add summer to that 6
spies4Zander (6:01:56 PM): I think Hannah and Summer can carry through a win, pending they're both citizens
spies4Singe (6:01:57 PM): she's vulnerable too
spies4Singe (6:02:06 PM): hannah is clever but not really a rallier
spies4Zander (6:02:10 PM): If Hannah and I survive through tonight I'm going to be in a family with her
spies4Singe (6:02:15 PM): ah, cool
spies4Zander (6:02:20 PM): That would still make her more productive than the remaining players
spies4Singe (6:02:33 PM): abrams, johan, kip, damon
spies4Singe (6:02:37 PM): they all owe us so much more
spies4Singe (6:02:47 PM): bunni as well
spies4Zander (6:02:48 PM): I talked to Abrams today and it was the most boring moment of the game for me
spies4Singe (6:02:51 PM): lol
spies4Zander (6:02:53 PM): He said "yeah. yeah. yeah." to everything
spies4Singe (6:02:55 PM): haha
spies4Singe (6:02:58 PM): fucking spy
spies4Zander (6:03:02 PM): I even told him it was painful to talk to him
spies4Zander (6:03:11 PM): I actually don't suspect him thought. That's why it's odd.
spies4Zander (6:03:27 PM): I looked back through the game conversations I've had too, and I've always thought he wasn't a spy...
spies4Zander (6:03:54 PM): Course I never really thought Bev was a spy either and look how wrong I was.
spies4Singe (6:03:56 PM): i think bev's fights with cain and masaki both looked terribly fake
spies4Zander (6:04:21 PM): I talked to Kip the other day about how it's USELESS to post conversations with eliminated players in the burg because that information is easily edited and manipulated
spies4Zander (6:04:24 PM): then look what Cain does
spies4Singe (6:04:28 PM): heh
spies4Singe (6:04:41 PM): well
spies4Singe (6:04:43 PM): put it this way
spies4Singe (6:04:52 PM): if you post a LOOOONG discussion between you and bev
spies4Singe (6:05:04 PM): i will be somewhat less likely to consider you two partners
spies4Singe (6:05:14 PM): because of the difficulty involved in the forgery
spies4Zander (6:06:02 PM): True, but in Spies 3 there were a couple of forged conversations if I remember correctly
spies4Singe (6:06:24 PM): short ones?
spies4Singe (6:06:30 PM): before the angelica guilty result:
spies4Zander (6:06:33 PM): or the spies had long fake conversations with one another
spies4Singe (6:06:33 PM): "I would have investigated Abrams, Angelica or Summer."
spies4Singe (6:06:39 PM): that's Cain speaking
spies4Zander (6:07:03 PM): Doesn't seem too suspicious to me - all of them were laying fairly low at that point
spies4Singe (6:07:07 PM): right
spies4Singe (6:07:24 PM): that's either him including his ortho partner in his list
spies4Singe (6:07:29 PM): or expressing genuine suspiciojn
spies4Singe (6:07:37 PM): i lean towards cain as cit so far
spies4Zander (6:07:40 PM): I think most eyes are on Cain right now cause he's given us the most to work with. But I've gone after quiet people for a long time and I got yelled at a few times for it
spies4Zander (6:07:50 PM): Also, some random irony I found in a conversation I had with Naomi
spies4Zander (6:07:59 PM): She asked me very early on who I suspected, in Week 1, like the 2nd day
spies4Zander (6:08:03 PM): My answers:
spies4Zander (6:08:05 PM): Emma and Masaki
spies4Singe (6:08:07 PM): lol
spies4Zander (6:08:20 PM): If Masaki turns out to be a traditionalist, I will shit myself with how right I was. telling a traditionalist spy two of her partners
spies4Singe (6:08:21 PM): how much do you trust me?
spies4Zander (6:08:42 PM): PLUS Naomi told me that Beverly was on her spy list over and over again. That conversation would be the epitome of irony
spies4Zander (6:09:05 PM): I think you're more likely a citizen than you are a spy but my trust of you has gone down a bit and you're not at the top of my list, to be honest
spies4Singe (6:09:15 PM): if i were a spy, which side and why?
spies4Zander (6:09:17 PM): Still, I don't "suspect" you
spies4Singe (6:09:19 PM): or both equally?
spies4Zander (6:09:22 PM): both equally
spies4Singe (6:09:25 PM): k
spies4Zander (6:09:30 PM): how about me? :-P
spies4Singe (6:09:34 PM): because i've given you no signs of association
spies4Singe (6:09:40 PM): i suppose
spies4Zander (6:09:51 PM): You seem distant from everyone in the game, the only person who I ever figured you were close with was like... kip
spies4Singe (6:09:52 PM): you? i need to talk to you more to know
spies4Singe (6:10:01 PM): nope not close with kip lol
spies4Zander (6:10:07 PM): New Kip or old Kip? :-P
spies4Singe (6:10:10 PM): neither
spies4Singe (6:10:18 PM): but he trusted me for some odd reason
spies4Zander (6:10:26 PM): I guess that's why I figured you were close
spies4Zander (6:10:40 PM): Well lots of people trusted you early on. You seem to have the genuinity about you
spies4Singe (6:10:42 PM): i consistently list you in people i have no good read on
spies4Singe (6:11:00 PM): because i know you're sharp and I know you're playing the subtle game
spies4Singe (6:11:11 PM): and if you're a spy you'll be doing things artfully
spies4Zander (6:11:21 PM): That's true, I guess...
spies4Singe (6:11:29 PM): so it'd take a lot for me to clear you
spies4Zander (6:11:40 PM): I dunno, lately I feel like I've just being going on my own accord, and it's been pissing people off lol
spies4Singe (6:11:42 PM): just like on other sites, i hold certain players to a MUCH higher standard
spies4Singe (6:11:49 PM): nah you SHOULD go off
spies4Singe (6:11:54 PM): we'll be dead soon enough
spies4Zander (6:11:57 PM): Fact.
spies4Singe (6:11:57 PM): live it up
spies4Singe (6:12:12 PM): my only hope is that the spies see me as Citty
spies4Singe (6:12:20 PM): because I do still think they're gunning for spies
spies4Zander (6:12:32 PM): I've already told Candy that basically if I have to die to keep her safe I have no problem with it. She's more help to this game than I am, and if the citizens win then regardless of Sam's rule I'll feel like I won too
spies4Singe (6:12:40 PM): i dont buy that
spies4Zander (6:12:48 PM): don't buy what?
spies4Singe (6:12:51 PM): candy > you
spies4Singe (6:12:53 PM): why
spies4Singe (6:13:04 PM): and you assume she's a Cit?
spies4Zander (6:13:40 PM): Look at everything she's contributed to so far. People trust her, I know she's smarter and a better player than I am (regardless of what facade you think I have, that's the truth), and I'd just rather know I protected someone who helped us won than see her go
spies4Singe (6:14:05 PM): what if she's an ortho spyhunting cop
spies4Zander (6:14:08 PM): Candy is absolutely a citizen. I have no doubt at all in my mind.
spies4Singe (6:14:12 PM): no shit?
spies4Singe (6:14:13 PM): wow
spies4Zander (6:14:23 PM): BUT DON'T IMPRISON HER!
spies4Singe (6:14:23 PM): i hope you're right
spies4Zander (6:14:27 PM): lol
spies4Singe (6:14:33 PM): if i was a spy
spies4Singe (6:14:46 PM): she'd be targeted UNLESS i was concerned about protection
spies4Zander (6:14:48 PM): If Candy was a spy I wouldn't be here right now. Guaranteed.
spies4Singe (6:14:56 PM): and i think we have evidence of protection of some kind
spies4Zander (6:15:29 PM): She has shared information about me that she never needed to - she could have Imprisoned / pushed to exile me and I never would have been any wiser. But she came to me and talked about it instead of eliminating me.
spies4Singe (6:15:42 PM): like what?
spies4Zander (6:16:01 PM): Good try but I don't trust anyone enough to talk about that
spies4Singe (6:16:03 PM): i cant get my head around that
spies4Singe (6:16:10 PM): well, obviously you trusted someone
spies4Zander (6:16:14 PM): Candy
spies4Singe (6:16:15 PM): but ok
spies4Zander (6:16:23 PM): It's not something I ever told anyone
spies4Singe (6:16:34 PM): she had info about you that you didnt give her
spies4Zander (6:16:38 PM): mmhmm
spies4Singe (6:16:40 PM): k
spies4Singe (6:16:43 PM): ...
spies4Zander (6:16:58 PM): If I told you, think about how dangerous that would be
spies4Singe (6:17:02 PM): sure
spies4Zander (6:17:13 PM): any of this information getting to the public or in spies hands is basically giving them a huge shot at winning
spies4Zander (6:17:33 PM): That's why I need to keep Candy in at all costs, I know she knows more about more players
spies4Singe (6:17:54 PM): interesting
spies4Zander (6:18:10 PM): and to be honest since everyone else is playing for self-preservation, it's time I changed the game
spies4Singe (6:18:40 PM): got a phone call here but i cna still type a bit
spies4Zander (6:18:46 PM): k
spies4Zander (6:19:00 PM): I'll play guitar hero quick while you're on the phone :-P
spies4Singe (6:42:07 PM): back
spies4Singe (6:42:33 PM): i'm trying to figure out whether or not to try to understand what you're hinting at there
spies4Singe (6:42:42 PM): with regards to you, candy, and info
spies4Zander (6:42:50 PM): lol
spies4Zander (6:42:55 PM): I'm not hinting at anything
spies4Singe (6:42:56 PM): you're not stupid
spies4Zander (6:43:01 PM): I'm telling you why I trust her.
spies4Zander (6:43:09 PM): You can interpret whatever she knows in whichever way you want
spies4Singe (6:43:12 PM): and i know you wouldnt tell me anything that would put someone you KNOW is a cit in danger
spies4Singe (6:43:40 PM): so i'm not going to waste my time, and i'll guess that you're jerking my chain
spies4Zander (6:43:48 PM): Think what you wish
spies4Singe (6:43:58 PM): if you turn up dead one of these days
spies4Singe (6:44:02 PM): any advice to me?
spies4Zander (6:44:06 PM): It's best for people to think on their own regardless in this game lol
spies4Singe (6:44:11 PM): as the cit I am
spies4Zander (6:44:15 PM): :-P
spies4Zander (6:44:31 PM): Keep your eyes on Masaki, Leon, Cain, and make Damon speak up more.
spies4Zander (6:44:45 PM): Don't give Bunni the free ride like she already has, and listen to Candy.
spies4Singe (6:44:48 PM): ok
spies4Singe (6:44:54 PM): if I die
spies4Singe (6:45:03 PM): keep the Leon+Candy thing in mind
spies4Singe (6:45:16 PM): not obsessively but as a possibility, at least Leon is suspicious in that mess
spies4Singe (6:45:31 PM): get EVERYONE on the record
spies4Singe (6:45:49 PM): i think at this point we need to start organizing lynch mobs
spies4Singe (6:45:53 PM): to THREATEN people into talking
spies4Singe (6:46:06 PM): as in, "Abrams, the six of us are pissed, and we have a rope"
spies4Zander (6:46:07 PM): Bunni was threatened into talking and still said nothing and everyone let her go
spies4Singe (6:46:11 PM): well
spies4Singe (6:46:15 PM): that's what im saying
spies4Singe (6:46:28 PM): we need to give it our best with each one of them
spies4Zander (6:46:32 PM): I'm sorry I'm taking NO sympathy to that type of mindframe when you too voted Innocent when she didn't say anything on several occasions
spies4Zander (6:46:36 PM): you're just as guilty in that respect as the rest.
spies4Singe (6:46:37 PM): some wont yield fruit
spies4Singe (6:46:53 PM): i had a mild Cit read on Bunni
spies4Singe (6:46:57 PM): from early in the game
spies4Singe (6:47:13 PM): and then i left town for two weeks and she said basically nothing while i was gone
spies4Zander (6:47:20 PM): You gave a non-productive QUESTIONABLY CITIZEN person a free ride for two rounds... I haven't even seen her online since the trial
spies4Singe (6:47:34 PM): and so the choice is: do I vote to essentially VIG my #6 or #7ish suspect
spies4Zander (6:47:53 PM): If you call her a suspect at all, the answer is yes.
spies4Zander (6:48:03 PM): Most certainly if you included her in your unsure list.
spies4Singe (6:48:09 PM): i talked to her for about 25 minutes
spies4Singe (6:48:17 PM): on i think tuesday
spies4Singe (6:48:26 PM): and she came across very naturally
spies4Singe (6:48:32 PM): not defensive
spies4Singe (6:48:34 PM): unconcerned
spies4Singe (6:48:41 PM): not manipulative
spies4Singe (6:48:51 PM): so my conclusion was: "lazy Cit"
spies4Zander (6:49:06 PM): Why would someone up for an elimination be unconcerned, and why would they not be able to say three things they've done to contribute to this game
spies4Singe (6:49:17 PM): because she's a terrible player
spies4Singe (6:49:22 PM): could be an emma
spies4Singe (6:49:24 PM): i suppose
spies4Zander (6:49:28 PM): She uses SHY as a wall
spies4Zander (6:49:31 PM): Shy people don't play this game
spies4Singe (6:49:35 PM): i dont see her as shy
spies4Zander (6:49:39 PM): And terrible players should NEVER MAKE THE ENDGAME
spies4Zander (6:49:47 PM): she said herself that she was just shy, that's why she doesn't talk
spies4Singe (6:49:47 PM): i see her as "i wanted to be a spy, im not so im not gonna try"
spies4Zander (6:50:00 PM): I see her as coasting. I hate that.
spies4Singe (6:50:15 PM): same here but I just wasnt feeling the vote
spies4Singe (6:50:26 PM): so unless you think she and I are the orthos
spies4Singe (6:50:32 PM): it's a genuine read

[Zander]

spies4Zander (6:50:50 PM): I don't think you're necessarily working together, but I condemn everyone that voted her as Innocent without giving her a second thought.
spies4Singe (6:51:03 PM): i gave it as much thought as I could to be honest
spies4Zander (6:51:09 PM): I'm very sure that at least two spies were in that Innocent voting block, and I made that UNSURE thread to figure out who and why
spies4Singe (6:51:10 PM): a long, solid chat
spies4Singe (6:51:22 PM): i need to see if i posted that in my confessional, i hope i did
spies4Zander (6:51:25 PM): I'm not saying you didn't put thought into it, i just think many that voted Innocent did not
spies4Singe (6:53:00 PM): did you read Cain's post of his convo with Bev carefully?
spies4Singe (6:53:07 PM): or pretty much dismiss it?
spies4Zander (6:53:14 PM): I skimmed it.
spies4Zander (6:53:28 PM): Only because when I was reading it I was a bit busy
spies4Zander (6:53:35 PM): I try to go back and reread everything I miss or don't have time for
spies4Singe (6:54:09 PM): "spies4Cain (7:41:34 PM): well you knew that you were investigated right?
spies4Beverly (7:41:36 PM): Yes, but no one stepped up."
spies4Singe (6:54:26 PM): did her roleclaim involve knowledge of incoming investigations?
spies4Zander (6:54:57 PM): It seems like it revolved around there being more than one investigation
spies4Zander (6:55:11 PM): To frame the investigators as spies if more than one person did choose her
spies4Zander (6:55:26 PM): The timing of those investigations, I have no clue on
spies4Singe (6:56:25 PM): cain's post looks legit
spies4Singe (6:56:42 PM): i'll be surprised if he and bev are partners
spies4Singe (6:56:50 PM): and yet candy seems so sure of it
spies4Singe (6:56:54 PM): what do you think of that?
spies4Zander (6:57:37 PM): I dunno, I think Candy is just sure that Cain is a spy...
spies4Singe (6:57:48 PM): her arguments fall so flat with me
spies4Singe (6:58:14 PM): 1) Cain voted to keep Bev
spies4Singe (6:58:19 PM): big deal, so did 6 others
spies4Zander (6:58:52 PM): Voting history does reveal a lot though
spies4Singe (6:58:52 PM): 2) Cain voted Martha
spies4Singe (6:59:03 PM): big deal, like 12 people voted MArtha
spies4Singe (6:59:21 PM): 3) Cain wanted ralph to be investigated
spies4Singe (6:59:49 PM): borderline decent point
spies4Singe (7:00:10 PM): 4) Cain's top 7 suspects dont include Bev, Emma or Naomi
spies4Singe (7:00:26 PM): doesnt every spy in history try to distance from at least ONE of their partners?
spies4Zander (7:01:28 PM): Every argument has a counter-argument, but I think Candy's arguments are stronger than those counters
spies4Zander (7:01:32 PM): Just being honest.
spies4Zander (7:01:54 PM): Are you defending Cain because you find him innocent or because you think Candy's reasons are just circumstantial?
spies4Singe (7:02:47 PM): 5) Cain passed the tiebreaker
spies4Singe (7:02:52 PM): too dangerous for a spy to do
spies4Singe (7:02:55 PM): one sec phone
spies4Singe (7:04:55 PM): ok so
spies4Singe (7:05:27 PM): i got back and adelaide's shouting "SINGE UR DUMB CAIN IS THE PLAY"
spies4Singe (7:05:45 PM): so the obvious move is to check out the contrarian argument
spies4Singe (7:06:01 PM): and cain's not NEARLY as obvious a play as people are making him out to be
spies4Zander (7:06:02 PM): lol @ Adelaide saying that
spies4Singe (7:06:10 PM): they're tacking on all this extraneous crap
spies4Singe (7:06:17 PM): "you r being mean n unhelpful"
spies4Zander (7:06:42 PM): I know, that never = spyishness
spies4Zander (7:06:52 PM): I still don't even know if Cain's getting my vote this round.
spies4Zander (7:07:11 PM): Mean and unhelpful are personalities most of the time, not alignment factors
spies4Singe (7:07:24 PM): so anyhow, i realized Cain's going to go unless someone reads carefully and decides otherwise AND makes the case
spies4Singe (7:07:36 PM): so i read, and I've decided for the most part
spies4Singe (7:07:51 PM): and i think it's my duty to make the case, which necessarily also involves finidng an alternative
spies4Singe (7:08:04 PM): also, candy's smart
spies4Singe (7:08:07 PM): and her case is not
spies4Singe (7:08:12 PM): which is mildly suspicious
spies4Singe (7:10:54 PM): oh also
spies4Singe (7:10:59 PM): damon being replaced
spies4Singe (7:11:05 PM): kiyoshi being expelled
spies4Singe (7:11:21 PM): still makes me very suspicious of damon as an ortho
spies4Singe (7:11:45 PM): because the logical explanation is that expelling an ortho spy with powers would have been too unbalancing
spies4Singe (7:11:53 PM): so keep that in hte back of your head
spies4Zander (7:12:08 PM): I said that right away and it got so much backlash it's not even funny
spies4Singe (7:12:14 PM): meh
spies4Singe (7:12:18 PM): it's dirty pool, for sure
spies4Singe (7:12:26 PM): but if it comes down to it, i'd use the info
spies4Singe (7:12:40 PM): damon's fights with bev were fake-ish too
spies4Zander (7:13:08 PM): I'll take a deep look into it if I'm still here tonight.
spies4Zander (7:13:11 PM): I gotta get going though
spies4Singe (7:13:19 PM): orthos have 13 to choose from?
spies4Singe (7:13:26 PM): 1/13 shot
spies4Singe (7:13:31 PM): not too optimistic about tonight
spies4Singe (7:13:36 PM): take care, seeya round
spies4Zander (7:13:57 PM): :-P
spies4Zander (7:14:02 PM): See ya later

[Zander]

spies4Zander (5:09:50 PM): Hannah and I are gonna be in a family
spies4Zander (5:09:58 PM): if we make it past this Imprisonment
spies4Zander (5:12:29 PM): Wake up sleepy face
spies4Candy (5:12:41 PM): Sleepy face?
spies4Candy (5:12:46 PM): You mean "gorgeous"
spies4Zander (5:12:51 PM): Clearly
spies4Zander (5:12:59 PM): Do you know who you're going to be in a family with?
spies4Candy (5:13:08 PM): One step at a time
spies4Zander (5:13:20 PM): Surviving Imprisonment?
spies4Candy (5:13:23 PM): That's first!
spies4Zander (5:13:39 PM): That's tonight right
spies4Candy (5:13:46 PM): I'm also unsure about Mistaki now - I went back and looked at past posts and I forgot about how he passed on the tiebreaker and how he nailed Angelica for lying
spies4Candy (5:14:16 PM): Though the Angelica lie thing could've been staged to make him look good
spies4Candy (5:14:19 PM): Grrrrr
spies4Zander (5:14:20 PM): When did he have the tiebreaker and who did he pass it to?
spies4Candy (5:14:27 PM): Naomi had it in episode 1
spies4Candy (5:14:31 PM): She asked him if he wanted it
spies4Candy (5:14:33 PM): He said no
spies4Zander (5:14:42 PM): Also catching Angelica lying makes sense if he is a Traditionalist
spies4Candy (5:14:47 PM): Yeah
spies4Zander (5:14:55 PM): Cause he defended Naomi when he did that, if I recall
spies4Candy (5:15:07 PM): He as usual admitted it could go either way
spies4Zander (5:15:08 PM): That was something that made me slightly intrigued after Naomi got exiled
spies4Candy (5:15:39 PM): Well the people who voted Naomi in exile 5 still need to be watched
spies4Candy (5:15:47 PM): The last traditionalist spy is in that group, I bet money on it
spies4Candy (5:15:50 PM): Leon, Cain, Mistaki
spies4Candy (5:15:51 PM): One of those 3
spies4Zander (5:16:53 PM): I'm pretty sure today that I told Abrams those were my top 3 suspects lol
spies4Zander (5:16:56 PM): ironyyyyyy
spies4Candy (5:17:01 PM): Logic!
spies4Zander (5:17:22 PM): I meant ironic that I wasn't thinking about the Naomi votes when I said it, that's just how my gut feels
spies4Candy (5:18:06 PM): Good
spies4Candy (5:18:56 PM): Shiiiiit
spies4Zander (5:19:02 PM): hm?
spies4Candy (5:19:02 PM): Chauffer picking me up
spies4Candy (5:19:06 PM): I have like 2 minutes left in this game
spies4Zander (5:19:18 PM): You don't know that for sure
spies4Zander (5:19:36 PM): If I'm gone or you're gone tonight, it was fun playing with you. And I'll pick up where you left off if you go. If I go, do the same for me
spies4Candy (5:20:34 PM): Absolutely
spies4Candy (5:20:38 PM): Get Leon Mistaki and cain
spies4Zander (5:21:01 PM): Likewise
spies4Zander (5:21:28 PM): Also trust Abrams, Hannah, Summer, and Faizah
spies4Candy (5:21:33 PM): Johan
spies4Zander (5:21:38 PM): Abrams is quiet but I'm almost 99.9% sure he's safe
spies4Candy (5:21:39 PM): Be careful on Faizah
spies4Zander (5:21:55 PM): What should I look for?
spies4Zander (5:22:09 PM): She seems to clear out for me beyond just the realms of self-preservation that she seems to be playing by
spies4Candy (5:22:27 PM): Gotta go
spies4Candy (5:22:28 PM): So sorry
spies4Zander (5:23:00 PM): Good luck
spies4Candy signed off at 5:24:59 PM.

[Zander]

spies4hannah (4:46:56 PM): hey :-)
spies4Zander (4:47:00 PM): Hey
spies4hannah (4:47:15 PM): wats up?
spies4Zander (4:47:33 PM): Not too much
spies4hannah (4:48:09 PM): i really hope none of the ppl i trust get impruisoned :-(
spies4hannah (4:50:04 PM): so wat are ur thoughts?
spies4Zander (4:50:09 PM): On what?
spies4Zander (4:50:14 PM): Imprisonment
spies4Zander (4:50:21 PM): I really, REALLY think it's going to be me or Candy
spies4hannah (4:50:27 PM): just on stuff in general
spies4Zander (4:50:28 PM): I've been doing my best to divert attention from her
spies4hannah (4:50:43 PM): to be honest i am also feeling at risk
spies4hannah (4:52:04 PM): i wish there was an immunity challenge or something
spies4Zander (4:53:59 PM): I agree...
spies4Zander (4:54:12 PM): But again, I don't mind going if it means people like you and Candy are still here
spies4Zander (4:54:22 PM): Sam's win rule is BS in my book like I told Candy last night
spies4hannah (4:54:25 PM): :-( but we will miss u if that happens
spies4Zander (4:54:28 PM): If the citizens win, I consider myself a winner
spies4hannah (4:54:34 PM): yeah i agree
spies4Zander (4:54:47 PM): If I go you still have a solid group of 3 that can still get the spies out in the next 3 rounds. That's what matters
spies4hannah (4:55:05 PM): yeah i know, but i still hope someone else goes
spies4Zander (4:55:18 PM): I just honestly don't see who else the spies would take out...
spies4Zander (4:55:37 PM): Although if the spies did leave us in I wouldnt be surprised... We could be exile targets after our Guilty Bunni vote
spies4hannah (4:55:56 PM): yeah, but i think that would be the spies doing
spies4Zander (4:56:33 PM): With how dumb these people are I would NOT be surprised if it got support
spies4hannah (4:56:43 PM): yeah thats true
spies4hannah (4:56:55 PM): it feels like we are playing with complete idiots
spies4hannah (4:59:01 PM): anyway, so holding thumbs u are not imprisoned, u want to be in a family?
spies4Zander (5:03:40 PM): Absolutely
spies4hannah (5:03:47 PM): yay
spies4hannah (5:03:48 PM): :-)
spies4Zander (5:03:53 PM): Candy and I talked about it strategically last night
spies4hannah (5:04:00 PM): and?
spies4Zander (5:04:04 PM): I'm sure it's no surprise to you that I absolutely trust her the most in the game
spies4hannah (5:04:14 PM): yeah i trust her too
spies4Zander (5:05:14 PM): but figuring one of us will probably be Imprisoned and the fact that I think people know we trust each and being in a family just makes us HUGE targets
spies4hannah (5:05:29 PM): hmmmm, well not necessarily
spies4hannah (5:05:36 PM): altho i get what u mean
spies4Zander (5:05:44 PM): That's at least how we thought of it last night
spies4Zander (5:05:54 PM): her big thing was not being in a family with someone we suspect cause then we lose votes on them
spies4Zander (5:06:15 PM): So I was like "uhhhhhhh... Then who should I be with" and we couldn't think of anything
spies4Zander (5:06:30 PM): I was thinking Abrams but I talked to him today and I don't think he's a spy but I hate him personality wise so blah
spies4Zander (5:06:48 PM): I've gotten something productive out of every family I've been in and I don't want to stop now
spies4Zander (5:07:13 PM): On a sidenote, I'm doing these rankings right now and it's hard to even remember who's in the game with all these inactives lol
spies4hannah (5:07:43 PM): lol
spies4hannah (5:07:48 PM): yeah i did my rankings today too
spies4hannah (5:08:14 PM): erg its actually bed time for me
spies4hannah (5:08:25 PM): i sincerely hope i get to see both u and candy tomorrow
spies4Zander (5:08:43 PM): Aww Me too... (You and Candy I mean)
spies4hannah (5:08:51 PM): so good night
spies4Zander (5:08:53 PM): If I don't see you... It was so much fun playing and kick ass for me
spies4hannah (5:08:53 PM): :-)
spies4Zander (5:08:55 PM):
spies4hannah (5:08:58 PM): u too :-)
spies4hannah (5:09:07 PM): and we will definitely chat after the game :-)
spies4Zander (5:09:16 PM): Hopefully sooner!
spies4hannah signed off at 5:09:38 PM.

[Zander]

spies4Zander (7:37:26 PM): DO NOT vote for Masaki this coming exile. I will post this again in the Spy HQ to stress this

Auto response from spies4Faizah (7:37:27 PM): workin workin workin!


Auto response from spies4Zander (7:37:27 PM): I'm not letting you talk me out of this. Not again.

spies4Faizah returned at 11:25:22 PM.
spies4Faizah (11:25:39 PM): what???

Auto response from spies4Zander (11:25:39 PM): I'm not letting you talk me out of this. Not again.

spies4Faizah (11:25:45 PM): talk you out of what
spies4Faizah is away at 12:37:57 AM.
spies4Faizah returned at 10:52:35 AM.
spies4Faizah (10:52:40 AM): OMG YOU JERK
spies4Faizah (10:52:42 AM): hahahaha
spies4Faizah (10:53:03 AM): Candy either trusts me completely, or is trying to trick me with the whole Masaki PM
spies4Faizah (10:59:07 AM): ZANDDDDEEERRRRRR
spies4Faizah (10:59:07 AM): lol
spies4Zander (11:25:36 AM): I'm back
spies4Zander (11:25:41 AM): She sent it to me too
spies4Zander (11:25:43 AM): I knew she would
spies4Zander (11:27:14 AM): But she did flat out tell me to be careful around you
spies4Zander (11:27:48 AM): Oh also if the rest of the group is voting Masaki, you voting for Masaki is not out of the question
spies4Faizah (11:43:36 AM): damn Candy
spies4Faizah (11:43:40 AM): she is going to ruin everything
spies4Faizah (11:43:43 AM): maybe she does need to go
spies4Zander (11:44:26 AM): If Masaki's not the traditionalist, then he can do it
spies4Zander (11:44:30 AM): if he's the traditionalist, then we can do it
spies4Zander (11:44:38 AM): She'll never get exiled unless they exile Cain this week and mis-hit
spies4Zander (11:45:21 AM): Damn what a hangover
spies4Zander (11:45:23 AM): will you be around today?
spies4Faizah (11:45:50 AM): probably not
spies4Faizah (11:45:52 AM): until later
spies4Zander (11:45:58 AM): Okay, me too
spies4Zander (11:46:01 AM): I'll talk to you later then
spies4Faizah (11:46:03 AM): k
spies4Zander (7:05:25 PM): So now I guess Cain is going
spies4Zander (7:05:30 PM): fuck.
spies4Zander (7:05:35 PM): i really don't think he's the trad.
spies4Zander (7:05:54 PM): but I guess it's a good thing... Although I'm SO getting Imprisoned lol. I hope that person who has that safe-net role sticks around.
spies4Zander (7:07:59 PM): COME BACK SUGARTITS
spies4Faizah (7:23:49 PM): im back!
spies4Faizah (7:23:50 PM): haha
spies4Zander (7:23:59 PM): woo!
spies4Zander (7:24:21 PM): Part of me really hopes Cain goes and the other part hopes he doesn't
spies4Zander (7:24:40 PM): If he doesn't and masaki does, we're the last spies left. If he does go, then I could be Imprisoned lol
spies4Faizah (7:25:32 PM): thats true
spies4Faizah (7:25:37 PM): either way I think we will be ok
spies4Faizah (7:25:39 PM): and Masaki will still go
spies4Zander (7:26:00 PM): fact... but I'm just not sure about his Impris. choice
spies4Zander (7:26:08 PM): did you know right now it's 1 spy vs. 2 spies vs. 11 citz.
spies4Zander (7:26:12 PM): If Cain is a cit...
spies4Zander (7:26:16 PM): and Masaki Imprisons a cit...
spies4Zander (7:26:22 PM): Spies = 1/3 of citizens.
spies4Faizah (7:26:26 PM): ooh
spies4Zander (7:26:38 PM): Then it's our Imprisonment choice again, and one more mis-exile and we're golden. lol
spies4Faizah (7:26:38 PM): im almost sure Cain is cit.
spies4Zander (7:26:40 PM): me too
spies4Zander (7:26:45 PM): I love how everyone is setting him up
spies4Faizah (7:26:53 PM): I think that Bev convo is 100% legit
spies4Zander (7:26:55 PM): I refuse to vote for him though, and doing so would be stupid
spies4Zander (7:27:05 PM): I do too, I love how everyone only finds fault with shit he does but nobody else lol
spies4Faizah (7:28:22 PM): god, I will love it
spies4Faizah (7:28:31 PM): only thing, we will need it to be someone else besides masaki going
spies4Faizah (7:28:36 PM): (after all this)
spies4Faizah (7:28:40 PM): and that could be hard to pull off
spies4Zander (7:28:56 PM): It couuuuuuuuuuuuuld be Candy...
spies4Zander (7:28:57 PM): maybe.
spies4Zander (7:29:04 PM): How do we get Singe imprisoned? lol
spies4Faizah (7:29:39 PM): honestly
spies4Faizah (7:29:45 PM): theres nothing proving Singe is a 100% citizen
spies4Faizah (7:29:52 PM): he could get the Naomi treatment
spies4Zander (7:29:55 PM): There isn't, that's a good point. Candy too. Maybe we can use that.
spies4Faizah (7:30:02 PM): and people could think he is just overly playing his "citizen" hand when he is really a spy
spies4Zander (7:30:03 PM): He seemed to trust Naomi a lot early on
spies4Zander (7:30:06 PM): though that's speculation
spies4Faizah (7:30:23 PM): you could even say for evidence that the whole vacation was non existent
spies4Zander (7:30:24 PM): Wow can you seriously believe we've made it to Week eight?
spies4Faizah (7:30:27 PM): and he is only back now to defend his ass
spies4Faizah (7:30:31 PM): something along those lines
spies4Faizah (7:30:32 PM): NO
spies4Faizah (7:30:38 PM): and no one suspects us like alot, you know
spies4Zander (7:30:41 PM): And we'll definitely make it to week 9...
spies4Faizah (7:30:46 PM): Im sure I am suspected, but not as much as alot of people.
spies4Zander (7:30:51 PM): I know! lol. I don't understand how nobody suspects me.
spies4Zander (7:30:53 PM): Like at all.
spies4Zander (7:31:02 PM): I never hear my name or see my name, even in conversations people show me.
spies4Faizah (7:31:04 PM): well what you have working for you is Candy is on your side now
spies4Zander (7:31:09 PM): And it's not like I'm never here
spies4Zander (7:31:13 PM): that's why I want her to stick around
spies4Faizah (7:31:16 PM): she is such a bitch though, I cant wait to see who she really is
spies4Zander (7:31:17 PM): Cain goes, I don't vote for him, Cit.
spies4Faizah (7:31:20 PM): yea, but I dont think she likes me.
spies4Zander (7:31:23 PM): Candy leaves, she trusted me, cit.
spies4Zander (7:31:31 PM): Candy is DC
spies4Zander (7:31:35 PM): Aka Bebe
spies4Faizah (7:31:38 PM): Im still coming off as the person who votes with the majority
spies4Zander (7:31:43 PM): I'm almost certain. I gave her an acc. vote for that just in case
spies4Faizah (7:31:47 PM): but if I dont vote Cain or Masaki, people will go nuts.
spies4Zander (7:31:50 PM): true lol
spies4Zander (7:31:53 PM): You have to vote Cain
spies4Zander (7:31:57 PM): don't vote Masaki
spies4Faizah (7:32:00 PM): im not
spies4Zander (7:32:05 PM): or vote anyone besides Masaki lol
spies4Zander (7:32:18 PM): At this point it'll be like me and Leon and maybe Cain voting masaki
spies4Zander (7:32:23 PM): or Cain may be voting Candy
spies4Faizah (7:32:25 PM): omg, do you watch US Big Brother?
spies4Zander (7:32:32 PM): sometimes...
spies4Zander (7:32:36 PM): but I work during summers so not always
spies4Faizah (7:32:38 PM): they are doing a winter one this year!
spies4Faizah (7:32:44 PM): to offset the writers strike!
spies4Zander (7:33:04 PM): NICEEEEEEEEE
spies4Faizah (7:33:08 PM): im stoked.
spies4Zander (7:33:12 PM): Now I can finally watch a full season
spies4Zander (7:33:17 PM): I havent seen a full season since the first one
spies4Zander (7:33:20 PM): I think 3 is still my favorite
spies4Faizah (7:33:27 PM): 6 is my fav
spies4Zander (7:33:29 PM): I basically loved everyone in the Final... 5 I think
spies4Faizah (7:33:31 PM): followed closely by 3
spies4Faizah (7:33:36 PM): Janelle = jesus.
spies4Zander (7:33:39 PM): And I'm not so secretly in love with JANELLE
spies4Faizah (7:33:47 PM): rofl
spies4Zander (7:33:57 PM): I love people who dominate the competition in general, but like... She's amazing
spies4Faizah (7:34:46 PM): she is
spies4Faizah (7:34:53 PM): she is the ideal female reality contestant
spies4Faizah (7:35:00 PM): you need to watch BBUK
spies4Faizah (7:35:06 PM): It is 500 times better than any US season
spies4Zander (7:35:15 PM): If only I had like access to it
spies4Faizah (7:35:33 PM): You do!
spies4Faizah (7:35:39 PM): You just download the torrents
spies4Faizah (7:35:47 PM): takes like 10 minutes to download an hour long episode!
spies4Zander (7:35:54 PM): ugh my college would rape me
spies4Zander (7:36:00 PM): it's close to impossible to download anything here
spies4Faizah (7:36:02 PM): hahaha....yea, they are weird about that.
spies4Zander (7:36:07 PM): especially SU
spies4Zander (7:36:17 PM): they've had so many kids have lawsuits against them.
spies4Zander (7:36:45 PM): the university basically like rats out kids who download to executvies in music industry and move industry so that the university makes more money
spies4Faizah (7:37:35 PM): thats LAME
spies4Zander (7:37:54 PM): It's SO OBVIOUS Masaki is the other spy
spies4Zander (7:38:01 PM): this traditionalist is clearly obsessed with the fatemaker
spies4Zander (7:38:10 PM): and last round he bluffed and said that he knew our identities
spies4Zander (7:38:16 PM): Yet now he wants us to reveal
spies4Faizah (7:38:17 PM): yea RIGHT
spies4Faizah (7:38:17 PM): haha
spies4Zander (7:38:19 PM): false. false all OVER.
spies4Zander (7:38:24 PM): We know it's Masaki and he's got SHIT
spies4Faizah (7:38:31 PM): I would honestly rather be in control of all the imprisonments...and work with just you
spies4Faizah (7:38:39 PM): than depending on someone whos GOAL in the game is to beat us.
spies4Faizah (7:38:40 PM): you know?
spies4Zander (7:38:47 PM): I agree, even if our odds are lower, it's more PRACTICAL for us to win like that
spies4Zander (7:38:58 PM): <3 Faizah lol
spies4Zander (7:40:39 PM): Have you seen the latest post he made? in the spy thinger
spies4Faizah (7:40:55 PM): no
spies4Zander (7:41:08 PM): Do you think we should agree and then not reveal? like let him go with his Imprisonment and not choose us, and then when we say we'll reveal, we DON'T lol
spies4Zander (7:41:12 PM): he'd be soooooooooo pissed
spies4Faizah (7:41:32 PM): I say we DICTATE his imprisonment
spies4Faizah (7:41:36 PM): then dont follow through
spies4Faizah (7:41:38 PM): then get him exiled.
spies4Zander (7:41:42 PM): Yep
spies4Zander (7:41:44 PM): that's what I mean
spies4Faizah (7:41:44 PM):
spies4Zander (7:41:55 PM): Who should we tell him to get Imprisoned though?
spies4Faizah (7:42:02 PM): Abrams
spies4Faizah (7:42:19 PM): the non suspect.
spies4Zander (7:43:43 PM): Haha i love us
spies4Zander (7:43:44 PM): we're so evil
spies4Faizah (7:43:58 PM):
spies4Faizah (7:44:07 PM): Hey
spies4Faizah (7:44:12 PM): we are THE spies to beat, lets face it
spies4Zander (7:44:17 PM): RIP Angelica, but we're still here (even though I dunno how)
spies4Zander (7:44:19 PM): OMG we are
spies4Zander (7:44:30 PM): Underdogs
spies4Zander (7:44:39 PM): That just shows how much Singe's initial "simulation" sucks
spies4Zander (7:44:44 PM): we had like the lowest chance of winning haha
spies4Zander (7:44:47 PM): now we have the best
spies4Faizah (7:45:02 PM): im nervous though
spies4Faizah (7:45:05 PM): After Masaki and Cain
spies4Faizah (7:45:09 PM): I become a prime suspect maybe.
spies4Zander (7:45:16 PM): Maybe but it is still avoidable...
spies4Faizah (7:45:18 PM): and you cant defend me, you will have to agree with it
spies4Zander (7:45:30 PM): The basic trust block is... Hannah, Summer, me, Candy
spies4Zander (7:45:35 PM): Candy trusts Johan
spies4Zander (7:45:38 PM): doesn't mean I have to
spies4Zander (7:45:43 PM): (I still think that Johan bitch is the fatemaker)
spies4Faizah (7:45:53 PM): I think Summer trusts me 100%
spies4Faizah (7:45:55 PM): now a days.
spies4Zander (7:45:57 PM): And after this group of losers mis-exiles with Cain
spies4Zander (7:46:02 PM): they'll probably be more inclined to follow me
spies4Zander (7:46:05 PM): when I'm right about Mistaki
spies4Zander (7:46:09 PM): they'll definitely follow me
spies4Zander (7:46:13 PM): and then I mis-exile before you leave
spies4Zander (7:46:16 PM): think of the #s at that point
spies4Zander (7:46:35 PM): 6 eliminations of our accord before you could even go
spies4Zander (7:47:12 PM): exile (Cain), impris (Abrams), exile (Masaki) impris (Singe?) exile (Whoever I pick) impris (someone....)
spies4Faizah (7:47:22 PM): ooooh that is right
spies4Zander (7:47:26 PM): which would bring it to... 6 citizens, 2 spies.
spies4Faizah (7:47:34 PM): I know its retarted, but sometimes I forget HALF the boots we get to choose single handidly.
spies4Zander (7:47:38 PM): at that point Candy would probably still be in. She trusts me to death.
spies4Zander (7:47:50 PM): We could easily get rid of Summer or Hannah
spies4Zander (7:47:53 PM): we could exile Leon
spies4Zander (7:47:57 PM): who is A HUGE suspect
spies4Zander (7:48:11 PM): Then citz. = 5
spies4Faizah (7:48:13 PM): Leon, Masaki, Damon are all VERY exile-able
spies4Faizah (7:48:16 PM): brb
spies4Zander (7:48:24 PM): We Imprison someone... like Kip
spies4Faizah is away at 7:48:27 PM.
spies4Zander (7:48:32 PM): Then we exile Damon! and WIN.

Auto response from spies4Faizah (7:48:32 PM): brb

spies4Zander (7:48:33 PM): lol
spies4Zander (9:46:13 PM): Wanna know something funny?

Auto response from spies4Faizah (9:46:14 PM): brb


Auto response from spies4Zander (9:46:14 PM): Eternal sighs all around.

Practicing some slight of hand to feel better.

spies4Zander (9:46:43 PM): Cain basically can't be the last Trad. Did you see the post in the Meeting Ground?
spies4Zander (9:46:55 PM): It was made today. He said he'd be gone all weekend.
spies4Faizah returned at 9:51:43 PM.
spies4Faizah (10:11:47 PM): I need candy to trust me
spies4Faizah (10:11:53 PM): the convo is going good, but I need some advice
spies4Zander (10:12:14 PM): You don't want to force ANYTHING
spies4Zander (10:12:23 PM): she'll come around to trust you, just stay consistent. She sees every flaw
spies4Faizah (10:12:58 PM): shes so tricky
spies4Faizah (10:13:01 PM): you have to stroke her ego
spies4Faizah (10:13:03 PM): but not too hard.
spies4Zander (10:13:26 PM): lol
spies4Zander (10:13:47 PM): Just don't fully follow what she says, and don't say too much that reflects my thoughts.
spies4Zander (10:14:02 PM): In fact it's a dumb idea to mention me at all. You and i need to have a fake conversation SOON.
spies4Zander (10:14:10 PM): People will start asking why we have no chat logs

[Zander]

Sorin the Seeker (10:36:21 PM): Hey everyone! It doesn't look like AIM chat is working for anybody at the moment. I'm looking for a solution, please sit tight. :-) If you know of anything we could do, please tell me.
Sorin the Seeker (10:47:15 PM): Go to the front page of the board for a chat :-) Change your name to your Spies name and let's get this started!
Sorin the Seeker (11:00:56 PM): I'm posting the votes here: spies4.proboards52.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=theburg88ajv&thread=1194840065 Keep an eye there and on the chat.
spies4Zander (11:11:02 PM): please tell me spies have not shared info about fellow spies int he losers lounge
Sorin the Seeker (11:12:52 PM): Thanks for withstanding that hellishness. :-) To Summarize: Cain Exiled, Citizen. Gordy has been resurrected for one episode. You can talk to him on AIM and he will vote at Exile IX. After that he will leave. Imprisonment will be Tuesday night, non-live. See posts in Burg which I will make soon. Thanks again!
spies4Zander (11:18:23 PM): spies4Zander (11:11:02 PM): please tell me spies have not shared info about fellow spies int he losers lounge
Sorin the Seeker (11:21:38 PM): spies dont go to the citizen losers lounge
Sorin the Seeker (11:21:40 PM): you have your own :-)
spies4Zander (11:21:52 PM): THANK GOD
spies4Zander (11:21:57 PM): whewwww lol
spies4Zander (11:22:08 PM): the only season I played in only had one losers lounge cause the spies were so good :-P
Sorin the Seeker (11:22:35 PM): poor angelica has been stuck with a bunch of trads for awhile haha
spies4Zander (11:23:20 PM): Well I'm sorry but she's a trooper and she'll have to be alone for a little while longer
spies4Zander (11:23:25 PM): is she keeping up and being active though?
spies4Zander (11:23:30 PM): I hope she's out there cheering for us
Sorin the Seeker (11:23:56 PM): of course she is =)
spies4Zander (11:26:02 PM): We miss her. But I hope we're making her proud. We came from being down one and are now the TRUE spy threat
spies4Zander (11:31:48 PM): Ah I feel like I'm so good, I nailed a spy. FOR ONCE HAHAHA
Sorin the Seeker (11:33:15 PM): lol?
Sorin the Seeker (11:33:27 PM): you nailed a citizen that seemed to be a hard thing to accomplish the previous 3 times =)
spies4Zander (11:33:35 PM): Masaki :-P You don't have to acknowledge that lol
spies4Zander (11:33:42 PM): I nailed no citizens
spies4Zander (11:33:46 PM): I voted the Traditionalist
spies4Zander (11:33:53 PM): There's no room for teamwork here. That biotch needs to go
spies4Zander (11:34:10 PM): When Faizah and I are fully in control then I'll be happy :-P
Sorin the Seeker (11:34:24 PM): why not vote her out too then you can make all the decisions
spies4Zander (11:34:45 PM): I like her too much :-P
spies4Zander (11:34:49 PM): We get along more than you think lol
spies4Zander (11:35:16 PM): Someone's mocking me on getting rid of spies :-P
spies4Zander (11:35:30 PM): ooooh new leaderboard...
Sorin the Seeker (11:36:11 PM): gordy is back in it =)
spies4Zander (11:36:22 PM): I saw
spies4Zander (11:36:39 PM): I'm glad Johan brought back someone who told people I was 100% a citizen. I just hope he didn't change his mind since then lol
spies4Zander (11:36:55 PM): Either way it's peace out Masaki, even if I get Imprisoned

[Zander]

spies4Zander (10:17:23 PM): hey Faiz
spies4Faizah (10:17:28 PM): hey
spies4Zander (10:17:31 PM): long time no talk haha
spies4Zander (10:17:38 PM): how's it going?
spies4Faizah (10:17:44 PM): fine
spies4Faizah (10:17:46 PM): you
spies4Zander (10:17:50 PM): I'm good I guess
spies4Zander (10:17:52 PM): you seem quiet
spies4Faizah (10:18:52 PM): sorry, just alot of convos goin' I guess
spies4Faizah (10:18:56 PM): Can I ask you a question
spies4Zander (10:19:06 PM): Sure
spies4Faizah (10:19:11 PM): why are you so nice to me in IM
spies4Faizah (10:19:13 PM): and not on the board?
spies4Faizah (10:19:18 PM): Its like you are totally out to get me
spies4Zander (10:19:24 PM): I'm not out to get you lol
spies4Zander (10:19:34 PM): I don't know, you aren't miss princess on the boards to me either
spies4Faizah (10:19:42 PM): and sorry about saying the thing about the PM....but I was really pissed
spies4Zander (10:19:44 PM): I just wish you would speak up more because I really don't find you to be that suspect
spies4Zander (10:20:03 PM): It's fine, I think the spies already knew about the group anyway so keeping the information low-key didn't really matter
spies4Zander (10:20:39 PM): So yeah... Sorry if I got you mad
spies4Faizah (10:20:42 PM): For a second, I did think you might be a spy
spies4Faizah (10:20:47 PM): and trying to just make me look bad
spies4Faizah (10:20:50 PM): But I dont think so now
spies4Faizah (10:21:02 PM): and I understand about the Hannah thing, she probably trusted me more than you did
spies4Zander (10:21:10 PM): mmhmm
spies4Zander (10:21:21 PM): no offense or anything
spies4Faizah (10:21:27 PM): I figured, lol
spies4Zander (10:22:18 PM): So any thoughts on exile tonight?
spies4Faizah (10:22:32 PM): I think Cain is going
spies4Faizah (10:22:34 PM): and I hope he is a spy
spies4Faizah (10:22:45 PM): but if not (hell, even if yes) I think Masaki is a spy too
spies4Zander (10:23:46 PM): I'm honestly torn on Cain, I think it's just an easy setup
spies4Zander (10:23:53 PM): I'm sticking to my guns on Masaki.
spies4Zander (10:24:02 PM): Last time I let someone talk me out of them being a spy, she turned up to be one
spies4Faizah (10:24:12 PM): DITTO
spies4Faizah (10:24:13 PM): lol
spies4Faizah (10:24:18 PM): Cnady and I were just talking about that
spies4Faizah (10:24:21 PM): the whole Bev debacle
spies4Faizah (10:24:25 PM): She was a smoooooooth talker.
spies4Zander (10:24:32 PM): Always told you what you wanted to hear.
spies4Faizah (10:24:40 PM): Well, not only that
spies4Faizah (10:24:48 PM): she had me convinced we were going to be friends outside of this game
spies4Zander (10:24:57 PM): I try not to play this game being TOO close-minded but I'm not letting my suspects try to talk their way out of evidence anymore
spies4Faizah (10:24:59 PM): And I just thought, wow, no one woud ever go THAT far just to trick someone.
spies4Faizah (10:25:03 PM): But.....I guess maybe so
spies4Zander (10:25:17 PM): She was desperate. You can't discount what desperate people might do.
spies4Zander (10:26:16 PM): I think cain is definitely going tonight... I just hope everyone is right about him
spies4Faizah (10:27:03 PM): I really think he is
spies4Faizah (10:27:09 PM): but if not, he still isnt a very helpfull cit.
spies4Zander (10:30:06 PM): No but we have much less helpful *COUGH DAMON ABRAMS* players
spies4Faizah (10:30:21 PM): Im not to worried about them
spies4Faizah (10:30:29 PM): I think they are prime targets for imprisonment
spies4Faizah (10:30:46 PM): The spies are screwed, and they have to imprison the people with NO evidence surrounding them
spies4Faizah (10:30:51 PM): I think Abrams is completely gone
spies4Zander (10:42:33 PM): How?
spies4Zander (10:42:39 PM): (The chat invite isn't working for me...)
spies4Faizah (10:42:46 PM): How what
spies4Zander (10:42:53 PM): how is Abrams completely gone?
spies4Faizah (10:43:05 PM): I think the spies will imprison him asap
spies4Zander (10:43:11 PM): Is the chat working for you?
spies4Faizah (10:43:13 PM): Becasue he has little evidence on him
spies4Faizah (10:43:14 PM): yea
spies4Zander (10:43:22 PM): can you invite me?
spies4Zander (10:43:33 PM): you really think the spies would imprison him though?
spies4Zander (10:43:41 PM): I mean they imprisoned Adelaide so it makes sense
spies4Zander (10:44:14 PM): What the heck, it's not working lol
spies4Faizah (10:44:25 PM): Apparently its an AIM issue
spies4Zander (10:44:32 PM): That's what Sam IMed me saying
spies4Faizah (11:02:42 PM): why would Candy vote Masaki
spies4Faizah (11:02:57 PM): after she PMd her "people" to vote Cain???
spies4Faizah (11:03:04 PM): (this is now a new convo btw) haha
spies4Zander (11:03:12 PM): :-P
spies4Faizah (11:03:24 PM): if she did, that is
spies4Zander (11:03:35 PM): I don't think she did lol
spies4Zander (11:03:44 PM): OMG why didn't someone tell me they accused Masaki
spies4Zander (11:03:47 PM): I would have done it too lol
spies4Zander (11:09:42 PM): Sam's bringing Lloyd back
spies4Zander (11:09:45 PM): Lloyd knows I'm a spy
spies4Zander (11:09:55 PM): bad ideas all around lol
spies4Faizah (11:10:04 PM): why in the FUCK would there be a bring back in a SPIES game
spies4Faizah (11:10:07 PM): just let the cits win now
spies4Faizah (11:10:08 PM): jesus
spies4Faizah (11:10:11 PM): honestly, this is bullshit
spies4Zander (11:10:30 PM): He brought back Gordy.
spies4Zander (11:10:32 PM): AMEN.
spies4Zander (11:10:38 PM): Gordy said I was 100% cit. lol
spies4Zander (11:22:19 PM): GOOD NEWS
spies4Zander (11:22:24 PM): Spies and Citizens have DIFFERENT LOSER LOUNGES
spies4Zander (11:22:48 PM): BTW Candy super trusts Johan, now Johan basically trusts me too. Guess what he just did.
spies4Zander (11:22:53 PM): brought back a citizen
spies4Zander (11:23:01 PM): Guess who the fatemaker is.
spies4Zander (11:23:05 PM): I CALLED IT LIKE WEEK 2
spies4Zander (11:27:22 PM): lol what if we got Mistaki to Imprison Gordy
spies4Faizah signed off at 11:29:12 PM.
spies4Faizah signed on at 9:43:34 PM.
spies4Zander (9:43:46 PM): Hey
spies4Faizah (9:43:50 PM): hey

Auto response from spies4Zander (9:43:50 PM): Alakazam, I'm not wearing pants!

spies4Zander (9:43:59 PM): Idea - don't post anything in the neutral territory anymore lol
spies4Faizah (9:44:04 PM): why
spies4Zander (9:44:11 PM): we don't need to work with Masaki and we don't need to confirm his imprisonment choice
spies4Faizah (9:44:19 PM): why though
spies4Zander (9:44:22 PM): and if we reveal ourselves, then we suck and why would we ever do that
spies4Zander (9:44:32 PM): because telling him how we feel about summer one way or another lets him know our identities probably
spies4Faizah (9:45:03 PM): who said anything about Summer
spies4Zander (9:45:06 PM): Basically if we just pretend like we haven't checked there, who cares
spies4Zander (9:45:10 PM): Check the Neutral Territory
spies4Zander (9:45:15 PM): he says he wants to Imprison Summer
spies4Zander (9:45:25 PM): so let him, and don't let him know how we feel one way or another
spies4Zander (9:45:36 PM): basically it helps us in no way to talk to him
spies4Faizah (9:46:36 PM): right
spies4Faizah (9:46:41 PM): then just imprison him
spies4Zander (9:47:26 PM): We're going to exile him lol
spies4Zander (9:47:28 PM): not imprison him
spies4Zander (9:48:00 PM): It's either Leon or Masaki getting exiled this week - if Leon goes it'll be great because the Summer imprisonment frames him AND we have another week where the spies have numbers
spies4Faizah (9:48:33 PM): I was thinking of doing a faux role
spies4Zander (9:49:42 PM): that's so risky
spies4Faizah (9:49:53 PM): I know
spies4Zander (9:50:14 PM): and how perfect to claim after the fatemaker gets a role investigation lol
spies4Faizah (9:50:24 PM): thats rue
spies4Faizah (9:50:27 PM): true*
spies4Zander (9:53:40 PM): I really just want you to sit down and think about it before you make it
spies4Zander (9:53:52 PM): it puts you so far out there and it's up to you if you want to do it before we eliminate the other spy
spies4Faizah (9:54:22 PM): nah
spies4Faizah (9:54:25 PM): im not, it was just an idea
spies4Faizah (9:54:25 PM): haha
spies4Faizah (9:54:35 PM): im just afraid of whats going to happen when MISTAKI goes
spies4Faizah (9:54:39 PM): then Leon
spies4Faizah (9:54:44 PM): then its almost like we are out of suspectsd.
spies4Faizah (10:36:22 PM): I almost want to tell just summer

Auto response from spies4Zander (10:36:22 PM): Alakazam, I'm not wearing pants!

spies4Faizah (10:36:29 PM): not that I have a role, but something that confirms me as cit
spies4Faizah (10:36:35 PM): but where I would have to trust her to tell it
spies4Faizah (10:36:40 PM): like she could only know, type of thing
spies4Faizah is away at 11:18:24 PM.

[Zander]

spies4Zander (10:11:03 PM): ABRACADABRA, MUTHAFUCKA!!!
spies4Johan (10:11:20 PM): Ah, greetings magic man, how are you?
spies4Zander (10:11:29 PM): hahaha... I'm great Johan, how are you?
spies4Zander (10:11:43 PM): Sorry, I was chatting with candy and I typed that and thought it'd be the perfect way to greet you :-P
spies4Johan (10:12:52 PM): Yes well I think I am in agreement, there, it was colorful I am... about to lose my mind! I might be weird foreigner in game, but out of game I am busy writing papers Much confusion
spies4Zander (10:13:23 PM): Ah! I feel you there
spies4Johan (10:13:59 PM): you understand the dreadful curse of college then, yes?
spies4Zander (10:14:48 PM): Indeed.
spies4Zander (10:14:54 PM): It hit me hard recently
spies4Johan (10:15:52 PM): For this I give my sincere condolences then, my friend. Let us both hope that we may work past these maladic papers and find spies, no?
spies4Zander (10:16:57 PM): It's like my night job :-P
spies4Johan (10:17:51 PM): Well, you are very succesful at your night job then, I hope
spies4Zander (10:18:13 PM): Well we're more than halfway to getting rid of all of them
spies4Johan (10:20:02 PM): Yes, and after tonight we will be even closer, yes?
spies4Zander (10:20:17 PM): well... I have a bad feeling about this exile.
spies4Johan (10:21:12 PM): Really? Is it something you can share??
spies4Zander (10:21:36 PM): I just really suspect Masaki a lot more than Cain... But it's still all up in the air.
spies4Zander (10:21:44 PM): I just know regardless Cain is pretty much leaving tonight.
spies4Zander (10:22:09 PM): If I'm wrong about him being setup, then I apologize... but my gut truly tells me it is a setup
spies4Johan (10:22:44 PM): Well, I can see where you're coming from... It almost seems to convenient for it to be possible, and yet... I think Cain is just a bad spy. I hope so, anyway... But I am in agreement over Masaki, actually
spies4Zander (10:23:04 PM): Many people seem to be
spies4Zander (10:23:27 PM): there's a lot of sentiment saying "oh Zander, I agree with you, but we have to get Cain out first"... And I'm not going to compromise how I feel just to go with the majority
spies4Johan (10:24:22 PM): Well, you should not I respect you more for not doing so, in fact. If there were any chance at Masaki I would gladly vote him first as I think Cain is a Traditional spy if anything and that it would be beneficial to keep him in to fight the Orthos
spies4Zander (10:25:58 PM): I just think you should always vote your top suspect, which is what I try to do. And i genuinely see more damning evidence on Masaki but I guess we'll see...
spies4Johan (10:27:45 PM): Speaking of the devil... or should I say spy? I am 97% sure that both are spies, so for me it is of little consequence. It is just as the Beverly/Naomi vote... I felt certain both were spies so I didn't really care which one was out as I wanted them both out just the same... But... things will not always be this simple
spies4Zander (10:29:30 PM): Clearly I need to talk to you more lol. Apparently you're pretty good at nailing spies then...
spies4Zander (10:29:53 PM): I'm almost fully sure that Masaki is a spy. I wish I was as certain with Cain, but I'm not going to lie, I do suspect him... just not that much.
spies4Johan (10:31:07 PM): Ah well, I have special advantages But being on AIM often is definitely not one of them, so it is my fault we do not talk more often most unfortunately and yes, well, perhaps you will receive a pleasant surprise tonight? and a pleasant expectation next exile
spies4Zander (10:43:57 PM): I hope so :-P
spies4Zander (10:44:26 PM): Can you invite me to the chat?
spies4Johan (10:45:08 PM): Yes, yes of course
spies4Johan (10:49:20 PM): So Zander, before the exile truly begins, I have a question I would like to ask you.. if you do not mind of course
spies4Zander (10:49:57 PM): surely
spies4Johan (10:50:43 PM): How would you feel if we were able to talk to a previous citizen and gain information from them? Do you think that such a thing could be the turning point in this game?
spies4Zander (10:51:08 PM): I'd be for it
spies4Zander (10:51:21 PM): although I think some people might think it was like cheating or something...
spies4Johan (10:52:31 PM): Well, if it were not cheating, then, it would be very fun, yes? Sometimes having a little fun is good for the Burg. Just something to think about I can have idea of how this may happen which is all okay with Sam, but please speak nothing of this for now
spies4Zander (10:52:47 PM): Sure thing
spies4Zander (10:52:52 PM): but yeah if you can do it I want to
spies4Zander (10:53:01 PM): It will probably help us a crapload
spies4Johan (10:54:02 PM): Well, then that I can help with Perhaps together we may change this game, if you are willing, although it will be risky for both of us in terms of spies imprisoning us, but it may be that we may have a former citizen to talk to very soon, and you are one of 2 people I have a good feeling about enough to give heads up on it
spies4Zander (10:55:00 PM): Awesome! Thanks for letting me know
spies4Zander (10:55:11 PM): I'm guessing the other one is Candy :-P
spies4Zander (10:55:31 PM): And I obviously don't care about sticking my neck out... I've already done it enough this week lol
spies4Johan (10:55:42 PM): Yes, of course, good perception on that and well, that may be for the best then
spies4Zander (10:56:17 PM): Well, she seems to trust both of us very much and even though I had you in my radar for a while, she seems very adamant about your innocence lol
spies4Zander (10:56:29 PM): Though she really won't come right out and say it a lot :-P
spies4Zander (10:56:38 PM): She keeps saying "There are people you don't know about that you can trust"
spies4Johan (10:57:05 PM): Yes.. she says very similar things to me also, actually, perhaps she referse to the both of us to each other? This could be possible
spies4Zander (10:57:15 PM): That's what I thought :-P
spies4Johan (11:01:04 PM): Yes, as did I we may only hope that good things are to come, then
spies4Zander (11:01:26 PM): If we're the right people of course :-P
spies4Johan (11:04:08 PM): Well, with that we may only trust each other I guess, although trust in this game is one step short of insanity
spies4Zander (11:26:56 PM): You picked Gordy? :-P
spies4Johan (11:27:44 PM): Picked? Why whatever do you mean? Yes, well, it would make sense to bring back someone who has close ties with many different people, yes?
spies4Zander (11:28:00 PM): Including revealed spies. I love it
spies4Zander (11:28:10 PM): I mean I would have loved to see Madison come back, but Gordy's just as good :-P
spies4Zander (11:28:24 PM): You picked someone active
spies4Johan (11:29:02 PM): Yes exactly And that was the plan... Someone active enough to make a big impact in a short time..
spies4Zander (11:29:35 PM): Did Candy have anything to do with your decision?
spies4Zander (11:30:26 PM): So you have a role that brings people back from the dead? Are you Jesus? Or the grave-digger? lol
spies4Johan (11:31:45 PM): We talked about it, yes I actually was considering bringing back Angelica just to really confuse the spies, but that would not have helped... and of course I am Jesus, you didn't know you were playing with diety, yes? And alas, but no, I have no true role of which to speak, and this won't be happening again... so it must be used to our advantage while we have it
spies4Zander (11:32:09 PM): lol
spies4Zander (11:32:14 PM): So you just got a gift or something?
spies4Zander (11:32:46 PM): It's so random that you got to do it lol
spies4Johan (11:33:52 PM): Basically yes, and it was very quite random, I was not at all expecting it when Sam posted it... However I would still like it if nobody knew this was my doing, besides you, Candy, and Gordy, at least not until after this episode, then I won't care as much, but as for now... It is my duty to learn as much as I can
spies4Zander (11:34:33 PM): No problem, I wouldn't want to put you in that risk anyway lol
spies4Johan (11:35:40 PM): I thank you for this Risk it not my strong point, at least not in this game. I try to lurk as it lets me learn things without people knowing that I learn them
spies4Zander (11:36:06 PM): It's respectable as long as you are active in your own way
spies4Zander (11:36:17 PM): I figure I'll get Imprisoned this round, but oh well :-P
spies4Johan (11:37:07 PM): Yes, I like to think of it as such I call it... inactively active. And why do you believe this??
spies4Zander (11:37:25 PM): Well everyone seems to think I'm right about Masaki, especially now lol
spies4Zander (11:37:51 PM): Whether it's his choice or other spies or whatever, I think I'll get Imprisoned to frame someone or just to get me out
spies4Johan (11:38:40 PM): Hmm, this could be, however I think they will only do this if it seems that Masaki is for certain the one to go, as they could then imprison you and let it be blamed all on him, rather than someone else who might be linked to another spy
spies4Zander (11:39:02 PM): That's what I'm kinda worried about
spies4Zander (11:39:21 PM): Hopefully I stay around though. I'm having fun and I really think I'm right on this one
spies4Johan (11:40:05 PM): Yes, I think you are also, Masaki has to be a spy.. Let us hope you remain to see him go, no?
spies4Zander (11:46:26 PM): Absolutely.
spies4Johan signed off at 1:06:45 AM.
spies4Johan signed on at 11:33:20 PM.

[Zander]

spies4Candy (9:54:47 PM): You call me sugartits again and I castrate you
spies4Zander (9:54:53 PM): YOU LOVE IT.
spies4Candy (9:55:02 PM): You love not having balls?
spies4Zander (9:55:16 PM): Wouldn't you like to know
spies4Zander (9:55:17 PM): hey oh!
spies4Candy (9:55:20 PM): HAHA
spies4Candy (9:55:22 PM): What's up
spies4Zander (9:55:30 PM): Um, by the way, I'm not voting Cain. This is a severe setup. I can just feel it.
spies4Candy (9:55:49 PM): You do what you have to do
spies4Zander (9:55:50 PM): He's getting exiled anyway, and I'm not changing my "ideals" right now to vote for someone I don't see the most evidence against.
spies4Candy (9:55:56 PM): Fine with me
spies4Zander (9:56:02 PM): Just wanted to let you know ahead of time.
spies4Candy (9:56:05 PM): If your vote meant keeping me in or something then I'd harass you
spies4Candy (9:56:15 PM): But if no one I trust is in danger then we're fine
spies4Zander (9:56:19 PM): Last time I let people talk me out of who I thought I should vote, I didn't vote Beverly
spies4Zander (9:56:22 PM): Yeah you're fine.
spies4Zander (9:56:35 PM): Leon is apparently voting Masaki cause he can't vote Cain
spies4Candy (9:56:44 PM): Excellent
spies4Zander (9:56:46 PM): I have no clue who Singe is voting for, but I think he told me... Oh, he's voting Leon
spies4Candy (9:56:49 PM): Probably Leon
spies4Candy (9:56:50 PM): Yeah
spies4Zander (9:56:54 PM): Kip's voting Cain. Everyone and their mom is voting Cain.
spies4Candy (9:57:07 PM): Not Leon
spies4Candy (9:57:11 PM): HAHA
spies4Zander (9:57:12 PM): So if he turns up a citizen, I'm just going to deal with life and not bitch for once
spies4Candy (9:57:16 PM): GOOD
spies4Zander (9:57:18 PM): :-P
spies4Zander (9:57:28 PM): I still think it's Masaki successfully setting Cain up
spies4Candy (9:57:45 PM): Masaki is next.
spies4Zander (9:57:54 PM): He got everyone to focus their attention on Cain so much that now people like Kip are saying regardless we need to exile Cain because we HAVE to know his alignment or something
spies4Candy (9:58:11 PM): Mistaki before was AGAINST the idea of voting Truman
spies4Zander (9:58:15 PM): I think you just want him exiled so you don't have to deal with that CANDYCAIN thing anymore
spies4Zander (9:58:16 PM): Yep
spies4Zander (9:58:25 PM): He CONSTANTLY flops
spies4Candy (9:58:27 PM): He seemed to change after the announcement that the 2 spy groups communicate
spies4Zander (9:58:31 PM): before last week he didn't suspect Cain at all apparently
spies4Zander (9:58:34 PM): now he thinks he's a trad.
spies4Candy (9:58:35 PM): Wait wait wait wait wait
spies4Zander (9:58:46 PM): mmhmm
spies4Candy (9:58:47 PM): You think I'm after Mistaki for personal reasons?
spies4Zander (9:58:52 PM): No lol
spies4Candy (9:58:58 PM): After Cain for personal reasons?
spies4Zander (9:59:00 PM): And you mean Cain
spies4Zander (9:59:02 PM): and I was joking!
spies4Candy (9:59:03 PM): OK
spies4Zander (9:59:06 PM): Sheesh haha
spies4Zander (9:59:25 PM): Anyway yeah
spies4Candy (9:59:33 PM): I'm PUMPED MAGIC BOY
spies4Zander (9:59:34 PM): I just don't understand Masaki's "theories" unless he's a spy
spies4Candy (9:59:38 PM): He is
spies4Candy (9:59:40 PM): And he's next
spies4Candy (9:59:42 PM): BOOYA
spies4Zander (9:59:45 PM): <3 you
spies4Zander (9:59:55 PM): But not like this <33333333333333333333333333333333
spies4Candy (10:00:03 PM): I'd throw up
spies4Zander (10:00:14 PM): ew.
spies4Zander (10:00:18 PM): I threw a party in my apartment last night.
spies4Zander (10:00:25 PM): Someone, my roommate's friend, vomited in my sink.
spies4Candy (10:00:25 PM): You live in a cardboard box
spies4Zander (10:00:31 PM): YOU ARE JEALOUS OF MY SICK CARDBOARD PAD
spies4Candy (10:00:51 PM): Your cardboard pad doesn't even compare to my McMansion
spies4Zander (10:01:02 PM): You mean your McWhoreHouse
spies4Candy (10:01:07 PM): Stuff it
spies4Zander (10:01:18 PM): I'm glad I learned to get over hating you. Now you just make me laugh. Good times.
spies4Zander (10:01:43 PM): I kept thinking Exile was at 9CST
spies4Zander (10:01:45 PM): not 9:30
spies4Zander (10:02:12 PM): Now I have to wait an extra hour to see Cain turn up innocent like I think he will.
spies4Candy (10:02:17 PM): Half hour
spies4Candy (10:02:18 PM): Well
spies4Candy (10:02:18 PM): Yeah
spies4Candy (10:02:22 PM): Sam and his suspense
spies4Zander (10:02:29 PM): At this point if I'm wrong, I'm basically prepared to get raped by the bandwagon lol
spies4Zander (10:02:49 PM): Ugh I know. He should just have like... Exile pre-games. And then at the scheduled time he just reveals it.
spies4Candy (10:02:59 PM): I like the idea of toying with you
spies4Candy (10:03:02 PM): That sounded wrong
spies4Zander (10:03:08 PM): bow chicka bow wowwwwww
spies4Zander (10:03:23 PM): I mean... Bow chicka sig line...
spies4Candy (10:03:31 PM): You wouldn't
spies4Zander (10:04:15 PM): I just did.
spies4Candy (10:04:21 PM): You're going down
spies4Zander (10:04:32 PM): Bow chicka bow wowwwwww
spies4Candy (10:05:48 PM): You did
spies4Candy (10:06:00 PM): What's Johan going to say?
spies4Zander (10:06:38 PM): He'll get over it.
spies4Zander (10:06:45 PM): He doesn't shave. That can't be comfortable
spies4Candy (10:08:12 PM): He's going to beat you up
spies4Zander (10:10:24 PM): He can try
spies4Zander (10:10:32 PM): I'll presto his ass to next week
spies4Zander (10:10:45 PM): ABRACADABRA, MUTHAFUCKA!!!
spies4Zander (10:11:11 PM): lol I IMed him just saying that
spies4Candy (10:11:16 PM): Oh my god
spies4Candy (10:11:17 PM): Chill
spies4Candy (10:11:19 PM): HAHA
spies4Zander (10:11:21 PM): I'm laughing so hard haha
spies4Zander (10:11:55 PM): <3 life.
spies4Candy (10:12:19 PM): I really had this exchange with Singe today
spies4Candy (10:12:20 PM): spies4Singe: that's why in their guts people know im a cit
spies4Candy: You know what's in your gut?
spies4Candy: The things you're going to poop out later
spies4Singe: true, but my poop smells like strawberries
spies4Candy: Future shit
spies4Candy: Only the extremely arrogant think their shit doesn't stink

spies4Zander (10:12:38 PM): lol
spies4Candy (10:12:43 PM): What is his problem
spies4Zander (10:12:48 PM): Clearly your shit is flowery
spies4Zander (10:12:49 PM): :-P
spies4Zander (10:13:08 PM): I don't know, if he is a spy I will be shocked but he's very good at playing the super-citizen type
spies4Candy (10:13:35 PM): HA
spies4Candy (10:13:41 PM): He thinks he's very good at playing that type
spies4Candy (10:13:42 PM): spies4Singe: i am NOT a spy
spies4Candy: If you say so
spies4Singe: you really should know my alignment by now
spies4Singe: 95%
spies4Candy: Oh of course
spies4Candy: King Singe
spies4Candy: The Citizen
spies4Candy: Let me bow

spies4Zander (10:14:35 PM): lmao
spies4Zander (10:14:43 PM): I think people to eager to trust anyone is always dangerous
spies4Candy (10:15:08 PM): spies4Singe: let's say it's you, me, zander
spies4Singe: will you know me so well after two months that you'll be able to confidently vote Zander?
spies4Singe: the correct answer is no, cause i could fool you if i had to

spies4Candy (10:15:14 PM): I wanted to smack him
spies4Zander (10:15:46 PM): Wait, what? lol
spies4Candy (10:16:00 PM): He's trying to teach me how to play the game
spies4Candy (10:16:02 PM): How nice of him
spies4Zander (10:16:32 PM): So he's saying that you don't know him well enough to vote me but at the same time he says you wouldn't vote me... gah confused again
spies4Candy (10:16:41 PM): He's saying
spies4Candy (10:16:44 PM): That he's smarter than me
spies4Candy (10:16:48 PM): OK?
spies4Zander (10:17:10 PM): Got it, and I disagree, but let him think that then
spies4Candy (11:09:45 PM): We're taking Mistaki out next. No question.
spies4Zander (11:11:32 PM): I had such a strong feeling about this
spies4Candy (11:11:51 PM): I can't believe I wasted so much time on THE BIGGEST IDIOT I'VE EVER MET
spies4Zander (11:17:44 PM): :-P
spies4Candy (11:17:57 PM): You were also right
spies4Candy (11:18:03 PM): I should've kept the vote for Mistaki
spies4Candy (11:18:05 PM): EVERYONE said Cain
spies4Candy (11:18:07 PM): Except you
spies4Candy (11:18:12 PM): No one said no to Mistaki
spies4Candy (11:18:17 PM): But they all said "Cain first"
spies4Zander (11:18:36 PM): lol yeah that's the overwhelming feeling I got tonight
spies4Candy (11:42:59 PM): This is the part where huge feelings of guilt sink in
spies4Candy (11:43:16 PM): We needed the last Traditionalist out before his/her turn to imprison
spies4Candy (11:43:24 PM): I blew it
spies4Zander (11:46:39 PM): Don't worry about it
spies4Zander (11:46:47 PM): You had just as much a chance of being right as I did.
spies4Zander (11:46:55 PM): Did YOU want Cain or Masaki more?
spies4Zander (11:47:03 PM): Cause if you voted for who you wanted, you did nothing wrong
spies4Candy (11:47:04 PM): I initially said "Vote Mistaki"
spies4Candy (11:47:14 PM): And then I changed ...
spies4Candy (11:47:26 PM): Before I sent out that PM I prevoted Cain
spies4Zander (11:47:30 PM): In the end did you vote how you wanted. Not necessarily how others wanted
spies4Candy (11:47:31 PM): So I don't really know what I wanted
spies4Candy (11:47:38 PM): Yeah I voted the way I wanted. Cain had to go.
spies4Zander (11:47:45 PM): Then you have nothing to feel bad about
spies4Zander (11:47:49 PM): if I go then, whatever lol
spies4Candy (11:47:50 PM): It was the WRONG CHOICE
spies4Zander (11:48:00 PM): YOU VOTED FOR WHO YOU SUSPECTED THE MOST SO DON'T FEEL GUILTY
spies4Zander (11:48:05 PM): That's all I'm saying
spies4Zander (11:48:35 PM): Oh well, at least Gordy is back
spies4Candy (11:48:40 PM): Which is so kickass
spies4Zander (11:48:46 PM): and AMAZING
spies4Zander (11:48:52 PM): props to Johan for bringing him back :-P
spies4Zander (11:49:18 PM): He and I had a nice chat about how we are probably the other person you constantly say should be trusted but don't always name :-P
spies4Zander (11:49:35 PM): And he randomly told me he got to bring someone back. But not to tell anyone besides you or him :-P
spies4Candy (11:49:48 PM): Okay I just talked to him
spies4Candy (11:49:53 PM): So I can say yeah I knew
spies4Zander (11:50:01 PM): lol
spies4Candy (11:50:05 PM): As if I would betray him
spies4Zander (11:50:30 PM): So for not naming names you made it fairly obvious I could trust Johan lol
spies4Zander (11:50:37 PM): any specific reason, or are you hiding that from us still? :-P
spies4Candy (11:50:57 PM): This is why I told Johan to bring Gordy back
spies4Candy (11:51:03 PM): Because he has to verify something for me
spies4Candy (11:51:19 PM): I thought I understood his message clearly
spies4Candy (11:51:28 PM): But then someone said something that made me go "OK maybe I don't"
spies4Zander (11:51:29 PM): *dies from vagueness*
spies4Candy (11:51:34 PM): Look
spies4Candy (11:51:39 PM): Gordy confirmed 2 citizens
spies4Candy (11:51:41 PM): But
spies4Candy (11:51:49 PM): If he did, why doesn't the other know about you?
spies4Candy (11:51:57 PM): And why don't you know about the other one?
spies4Zander (11:52:09 PM): Yeah that doesn't really make sense...
spies4Candy (11:52:12 PM): Exactly
spies4Candy (11:52:15 PM): That's why we have to talk
spies4Candy (11:52:30 PM): And this stays quiet
spies4Candy (11:52:32 PM): I'm telling Johan now
spies4Zander (11:52:33 PM): Well I'm hoping it's just that he got lazy lol
spies4Candy (11:52:38 PM): But this stays silent.
spies4Zander (11:52:47 PM): I gotcha
spies4Zander (11:54:02 PM): Jeez I'm a lot more tired than I thought I would be
spies4Candy (11:54:07 PM): Exile wipes you out
spies4Zander (11:54:08 PM): Ive been going nonstop like all day
spies4Candy (11:54:11 PM): HAHA
spies4Zander (11:54:29 PM): I already punched in my vote for this round lol!
spies4Candy (11:54:44 PM): GOOD
spies4Zander (11:55:29 PM): gurgh... I'm gonna go to bed.
spies4Zander (11:55:38 PM): Night Sugartits
spies4Candy (11:55:42 PM): You're going down
spies4Candy (11:55:45 PM): Not tnight
spies4Candy (11:55:56 PM): But you're going to be singing falsetto later
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spies4Candy signed off at 5:38:03 PM.

[Zander]

spies4Singe (9:00:08 PM): hey zander, made up your mind for tionight?
spies4Zander (9:00:14 PM): I made up my mind days ago.
spies4Singe (9:00:21 PM): masaki?
spies4Singe (9:00:30 PM): or cain?
spies4Zander (9:00:33 PM): Masaki
spies4Zander (9:00:41 PM): Why would I not vote for the person I have the most evidence against lol
spies4Zander (9:00:50 PM): It's useless, I already know he's not leaving
spies4Singe (9:00:55 PM): the evidece isn't SUPER convincing
spies4Zander (9:01:05 PM): people have been telling me "OH Zander I suspect Masaki too. But wait til after I BANDWAGON"
spies4Zander (9:01:11 PM): I find it more compelling than the Cain evidence
spies4Singe (9:01:12 PM): but i understand the gut feel you get off him
spies4Singe (9:01:20 PM): Leon
spies4Zander (9:01:28 PM): and others
spies4Singe (9:01:31 PM): im voting leon, sorry, lapop's being weird
spies4Zander (9:01:42 PM): oh I thought you were guessing who was telling me that lol
spies4Zander (9:01:49 PM): Leon Cain and Masaki are my top 3 anyway
spies4Zander (9:02:00 PM): Leon told me he's voting Masaki with me because he can't vote Cain
spies4Zander (9:02:06 PM): I pretty much said I didn't care.
spies4Singe (9:02:08 PM): intereting
spies4Zander (9:02:19 PM): I don't know why everything's pissing me off lately.
spies4Zander (9:02:31 PM): If you look at that thread I had the huge debate with Masaki... THere's a lot he leaves unaddressed
spies4Zander (9:02:45 PM): instead he makes huge points about a couple of things to make it seem like he covers more than he does
spies4Singe (9:02:53 PM): ill read it in detail tonioght
spies4Zander (9:02:57 PM): what is his justification for the Angelica vs. Cain thing. I really really want to know
spies4Zander (9:03:01 PM): and he hasn't provided an actual reason.
spies4Singe (9:03:11 PM): what's the ang-cain thing again?
spies4Zander (9:03:16 PM): If you don't want to keep an Ortho spy around, why do you want to keep someone you think is a Traditionalist spy around?
spies4Zander (9:03:27 PM): I really think it's to protect himself.
spies4Zander (9:03:49 PM): When angelica was running around making claims, Naomi and Masaki immediately went to work to find lies she was telling. basically stopping her before she could spread info
spies4Zander (9:03:53 PM): look what she said though...
spies4Zander (9:03:55 PM): Naomi = Spy.
spies4Zander (9:04:01 PM): Adelaide = Cit.
spies4Zander (9:04:05 PM): both turned out to be true so far.
spies4Zander (9:04:42 PM): I'm interested in why Masaki helped Naomi tear apart whatever Angelica had to say, there could have been more to learn from her. But beyond this, now he says Cain is the final traditionalist but he wants to keep Cain around to learn more about the trads.
spies4Zander (9:04:56 PM): See the differing opinion?
spies4Zander (9:05:04 PM): If he is a traditionalist, it doesn't surprise me that he wants to do this.
spies4Zander (9:05:15 PM): It saves him for about 3 exiles, guaranteed.
spies4Zander (9:05:41 PM): I mean maybe I'm taking this overboard but I don't see anything else that screams spy behavior as much.
spies4Singe (9:05:51 PM): keep cain around to lean more about the trads?
spies4Zander (9:05:56 PM): Everything he does just makes my instincts scream spy
spies4Singe (9:05:57 PM): is that really what he's saying?
spies4Zander (9:06:00 PM): Orthos
spies4Zander (9:06:03 PM): he says Cain is a trad
spies4Zander (9:06:09 PM): he wants to use Cain to find the orthos
spies4Zander (9:06:35 PM): Why didn't he use Angelica to find evidence against Orthos and Trads... And why won't he actually address that point? It makes sense if he's a Trad.
spies4Singe (9:07:51 PM): i dont think cain would help find jack shit
spies4Singe (9:07:57 PM): trads have no powers
spies4Singe (9:08:02 PM): and cain isnt insightful
spies4Zander (9:08:12 PM): and I don't think Cain is the traditionalist.
spies4Zander (9:08:52 PM): This whole plan Masaki had just, at least to me, is clear that he is trying to keep whoever the traditionalist actually is, in the game longer. Which makes me want to think that Masaki is that Traditionalist. Especially since it's his plan, eyes would not go towards him.
spies4Zander (9:09:22 PM): And you know that if Cain did point eyes to Masaki, Masaki would instantly say it was a terrible idea and blame other people on it... But that's more personal stuff than spy behavior
spies4Singe (9:09:32 PM): did you see my post about candy, where she said IF cain comes up Cit she'll look into masaki and leon?
spies4Zander (9:10:23 PM): I think I did...
spies4Zander (9:10:31 PM): She's been really Cain driven lately anyway
spies4Zander (9:10:55 PM): She wanted me to vote for him. Oh well - I'm not voting for someone I don't suspect the most or have strong reason to vote for, and I really think it's a setup.
spies4Singe (9:11:04 PM): plane boarding, more later, take care
spies4Zander (9:12:10 PM): See ya lol
spies4Singe (9:12:10 PM): [System Message] User is not available.
spies4Singe signed off at 9:20:53 PM.
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[Zander]

spies4Zander (7:08:58 PM): Did you receive a PM this round?
spies4Zander (7:09:06 PM): *Random I know lol*
spies4Bunni (7:09:18 PM): lol lemme look.
spies4Bunni (7:09:29 PM): nope
spies4Bunni (7:09:37 PM): why?
spies4Zander (7:09:37 PM): ok lol
spies4Zander (7:09:47 PM): Someone PMed me and I was wondering if they PMed anyone else
spies4Bunni (7:09:56 PM): nah.
spies4Zander (7:09:57 PM): It was weird and unimportant and I'm not listening to them anyway lol
spies4Bunni (7:10:03 PM): oh really? what was it?
spies4Zander (7:10:09 PM): They wanted me to vote for someone
spies4Zander (7:10:18 PM): I have no intentions of changing from my biggest suspect.
spies4Zander (7:10:21 PM): Even if he won't go.
spies4Zander (7:10:28 PM): I know he's a spy
spies4Bunni (7:10:31 PM): who'd they want you to vote for?
spies4Zander (7:10:40 PM): The obvious vote this round
spies4Zander (7:10:42 PM): Cain
spies4Bunni (7:10:51 PM): oh. yeah.
spies4Zander (7:10:55 PM): I suspect him yes, but definitely not more than MISTAKi
spies4Bunni (7:11:03 PM): and they felt like they had to pm you that? haha
spies4Zander (7:11:08 PM): I know lol
spies4Bunni (7:11:25 PM): ah phone brb
spies4Zander (7:11:30 PM): I told them right away I wasn't changing my vote unless I had absolutely commanding reason to
spies4Bunni (7:14:55 PM): bk
spies4Bunni (7:15:16 PM): yeah. i don't blame you for sticking to your guns if you really think masaki is a spy.
spies4Bunni (7:15:28 PM): because that's the best thing you can do for the burg.
spies4Bunni (7:20:37 PM): haha kip seems to get in a lot of arguments on the board. haha
spies4Zander (7:20:59 PM): Well I m ean like I said I've always voted for who I suspected the most, and I'm not just gonna sit here and stop because he finds "fault" with a lot of what I said
spies4Zander (7:21:22 PM): Really all he did was argue against one of my points, the others he had no argument with and quickly skimmed them. And if you look at everything I said and everything he defended, there's a lot he had nothing to say about
spies4Bunni (7:21:37 PM): masaki finds fault in what you say, or the person who pmed you?
spies4Zander (7:21:39 PM): Every time he only picked two or three things I mentioned and "defended" himself
spies4Zander (7:21:44 PM): Masaki finds fault in what I say lol
spies4Bunni (7:21:58 PM): oh, okay. i got ya.
spies4Zander (7:22:55 PM): Do you think you know how you'll vote tonight?
spies4Bunni (7:23:04 PM): i think i'm going to go with cain.
spies4Bunni (7:23:31 PM): did you see those convos he faked?
spies4Bunni (7:23:42 PM): that just puts the icing on the cake, really.
spies4Bunni (7:23:56 PM): or at least, he tampered with them.
spies4Zander (7:24:03 PM): yeah lol
spies4Bunni (7:24:27 PM): i just hope i'm right.
spies4Bunni (7:24:47 PM): so, are you thinking masaki is the trad or an ortho?
spies4Zander (7:25:19 PM): I really think Masaki is the trad.
spies4Zander (7:25:29 PM): but either way I'm most certain he's a spy
spies4Bunni (7:25:48 PM): mmhm.
spies4Bunni (7:26:18 PM): i looked through some of my convos with him. haven't found anything very incriminating yet, though.
spies4Bunni (7:27:20 PM): i wonder if anyone else will vote m.
spies4Zander (7:28:15 PM): Probably not
spies4Zander (7:28:20 PM): It seems like Cain's going.
spies4Zander (7:28:40 PM): But oh well, if I don't think he's the biggest spy suspect then that's me. And if I'm wrong and everyone and their mom is right, then kudos.
spies4Bunni (7:29:06 PM): mmhm. i don't fault people for voting their own way.
spies4Bunni (7:29:39 PM): maybe cain and masaki are both spies.
spies4Bunni (7:37:24 PM): i'm going to go watch the amazing race. i'll see you at exile, if not before. :-)
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[Zander]

spies4Damon (10:54:17 AM): I haven't ment to coast, Zander. It's simply been a hectic time for me. I agreed to play as a sub only because Sam is a friend.
spies4Damon (10:54:25 AM): I'll do my best to become more vocal.
spies4Zander (11:26:35 AM): It just sucks for everyone. And the only reason I'm calling you out is because you have one thing you like to solidly claim
spies4Zander (11:26:54 AM): but if you WERE right about Bev, obviously you're very perceptive and stepping up and being more vocal could help us catch the rest
spies4Zander (11:26:57 AM): that's why I'm riding your ass
spies4Damon (11:27:33 AM): It's fine but can you just say that next time?
spies4Zander (11:28:09 AM): If I took public every single thing I was thinking / hoping to do, it wouldn't work
spies4Zander (11:28:14 AM): The Masaki thing was weeks in the making.
spies4Zander (11:28:26 AM): And quite frankly there's not much evidence he's been able to block, he is more arguing than disproving anything
spies4Zander (11:28:47 AM): Seeing people's gut reactions is HUGE in a game like this. Which is why you never reveal your hand until the poker game is done.
spies4Zander (11:29:12 AM): Because if nobody knows that you're trying to get something from them, how can they protect themselves?
spies4Damon (11:30:46 AM): I see what you say but sometimes gut reactions are significant proof - if you can place trust in the person who's feeling it. And the only person I trusted to be 100% Cit was Imprisoned last round.
spies4Zander (11:31:50 AM): I hate using "100%"s
spies4Damon (11:32:00 AM): I rarely use it.
spies4Zander (11:32:01 AM): unless you have an investigation, nothing besides your own identity is 100%
spies4Damon (11:32:19 AM): I don't but I trustd her enough. That's all I'm saying.
spies4Zander (11:33:56 AM): I gotcha
spies4Zander (11:34:00 AM): There are people I trust just as much
spies4Damon (11:34:53 AM): I don't have anyone anymore. :-(
spies4Zander (11:35:30 AM):
spies4Zander (11:35:36 AM): That's how I felt when Madison left lol
spies4Damon (11:36:04 AM): Well if you cared enough for her you should've been harassing her to do more
spies4Zander (11:36:36 AM): I did, actually
spies4Zander (11:36:42 AM): I rarely saw her in her last two weeks though
spies4Zander (11:36:48 AM): But I sent her PMs
spies4Zander (11:36:55 AM): and the conversations we did have were awesome
spies4Zander (11:36:56 AM): I miss her
spies4Damon (11:37:17 AM): It's too bad she couldn't pull through for you then.
spies4Zander (11:37:34 AM): It's too bad she couldn't pull through for her
spies4Zander (11:37:43 AM): I was as sure as anyone could be in this game that she was a citizen
spies4Zander (11:37:49 AM): I defended her for weeks and weeks and weeks
spies4Zander (11:38:05 AM): So the person I bonded with best and basically knew I could share info with left lol
spies4Zander (11:38:16 AM): but there are others. So you learn to cope and recoop.
spies4Damon (11:38:40 AM): Yup. Day by day afterall. I really do have company that I'm neglecting so I have to go. Talk to you later Zander.
spies4Zander (11:38:54 AM): Sorry to tie you up
spies4Zander (11:38:57 AM): See ya
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spies4kip (9:51:43 PM): Boo.

Auto response from spies4Zander (9:51:43 PM): I'm not letting you talk me out of this. Not again.

spies4Zander (9:52:06 PM): Hey sexy
spies4kip (9:52:14 PM): whats cookin'
spies4Zander (9:52:26 PM): Nothing really
spies4Zander (9:52:30 PM): to answer your most recent question
spies4Zander (9:52:36 PM): I'm obviously on, but I refuse to talkt o Masaki
spies4kip (9:52:42 PM): hes not there
spies4Zander (9:52:44 PM): last time I talked to someone after they were pretty much outed as a spy...
spies4kip (9:52:45 PM): as i IMed him as well
spies4Zander (9:52:55 PM): I talked to her for 3 hours and wound up not voting for her, and she was lying
spies4kip (9:53:05 PM): ah
spies4kip (9:53:14 PM): best not let it happen again
spies4Zander (9:53:19 PM): And my buddy list says he's on...
spies4Zander (9:53:23 PM): It says he's been on all day
spies4kip (9:53:30 PM): but yeah, i misread that cain part, i figured you did suspect him
spies4kip (9:53:37 PM): he is on
spies4Zander (9:53:40 PM): I do, but definitely not more than Masaki
spies4kip (9:53:41 PM): just not there
spies4Zander (9:53:48 PM): I think he's being framed as the traditionalist, I guess I should say
spies4kip (9:53:51 PM): hes like singe
spies4kip (9:53:53 PM): they disappear
spies4Zander (9:53:54 PM): if he is a spy, I'm fairly sure he's ortho
spies4kip (9:54:04 PM): if masaki is a spy 100% ortho
spies4Zander (9:54:24 PM): Wait you think Masaki is ortho or if Masaki is a spy then Cain is ortho?
spies4kip (9:54:31 PM): cain = trad
spies4kip (9:54:46 PM): but
spies4kip (9:54:52 PM): if cain is trad
spies4Zander (9:54:56 PM): Mmm, I still think Masaki is the trad...
spies4kip (9:54:59 PM): why would masaki want him around still
spies4Zander (9:55:06 PM): That's what I'm asking.
spies4Zander (9:55:11 PM): And he says to get info from Orthos
spies4Zander (9:55:13 PM): that doesn't check out
spies4kip (9:55:16 PM): yeah
spies4Zander (9:55:17 PM): he didn't use Angelica for information
spies4kip (9:55:21 PM): i dont think both are spies
spies4kip (9:55:23 PM): one might be
spies4kip (9:55:26 PM): but not both
spies4Zander (9:55:29 PM): he's full of shit.
spies4Zander (9:55:53 PM): Well mark my words, if Cain does get exiled, which he probably will, I still think Masaki is a spy.
spies4Zander (9:56:23 PM): I have a feeling no matter what side of spy-dom Masaki is on, I'll get Imprisoned next after calling him out and stuff lol. It's a good setup / attack either way
spies4kip (9:57:03 PM): i dunno
spies4kip (9:57:10 PM): i didnt see adeliade last time
spies4kip (9:57:14 PM): and i dont see you next
spies4Zander (9:57:22 PM): I don't think anyone saw Adelaide
spies4kip (9:57:30 PM): leon did
spies4Zander (9:57:33 PM): Anyway I'm throwing a party. I gotta get going
spies4kip (9:57:39 PM): he said it made sense for addy to go
spies4Zander (9:57:55 PM): If Angelica was telling the truth, it does make sense in a way I guess
spies4kip (9:58:01 PM): yeah
spies4Zander (9:58:04 PM): I definitely didn't suspect her
spies4Zander (9:58:08 PM): I definitely thought she'd make the endgame
spies4kip (9:58:16 PM): but no one really took angelicas comment about addy for 100% truth
spies4Zander (9:58:19 PM): And I think there was more to offer than she let on. A front similar to one that Beverly had
spies4kip (9:58:20 PM): cuz she lied about other stuff
spies4Zander (9:58:50 PM): At this point it seems that most of what Angelica said has turned out to be true, though. Which is why Masaki's relationship to Naomi in destroying Angelica's claim interests me.
spies4Zander (9:59:01 PM): Adelaide was indeed a citizen, and Naomi was indeed a spy.
spies4kip (9:59:06 PM): yeah
spies4Zander (9:59:09 PM): Whether Angelica's claimed ability was true, who knows...
spies4Zander (9:59:16 PM): but she was telling the truth on that...
spies4kip (9:59:26 PM): it seems angelica was the double voter
spies4Zander (9:59:29 PM): And I think there was more to learn from it, and I wonder why Naomi and Masaki tore it to shreds before she could tell us more
spies4kip (9:59:36 PM): singes theory on that makes a lot of sense
spies4Zander (9:59:40 PM): mmhmm
spies4Zander (9:59:42 PM): Okay I gotta go
spies4Zander (9:59:44 PM): I'll talk to you later
spies4kip (9:59:45 PM): alright
spies4kip (9:59:48 PM): ttyl
spies4kip (10:00:14 PM): and for the record, i do suspect masaki, just not as much as others right now
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spies4kip (9:04:20 PM): hey zander
spies4Zander (9:05:21 PM): hey
spies4kip (9:05:44 PM): whats up?
spies4Zander (9:06:38 PM): not too much
spies4kip (9:07:04 PM): same here basically, just exile chats and what not
spies4kip (9:07:45 PM): still planning on voting masaki?
spies4Zander (9:07:59 PM): yup
spies4kip (9:08:04 PM): thought so
spies4kip (9:08:18 PM): im open to him for next exile... but tonight im voting cain
spies4Zander (9:09:29 PM): Another one.
spies4Zander (9:09:37 PM): If Cain is a spy, then I concede and y'all are amazing
spies4Zander (9:09:58 PM): But I think it's a setup... I really, really do.
spies4kip (9:10:00 PM): theres more to it for me as well
spies4kip (9:11:37 PM): which is, the longer cain stays the worse off we are
spies4kip (9:11:55 PM): if hes not the trad and he stays, then we're blind to the real one, especially if it isnt masaki
spies4kip (9:12:07 PM): cuz a lot of people wrote cain off as the trad
spies4Zander (9:12:08 PM): ...
spies4kip (9:12:16 PM): so we have to kno what he is
spies4kip (9:12:26 PM): we need to kno if we were wrong and have to look deeper
spies4kip (9:12:37 PM): and if he is the trad (which is ithnk he is)
spies4Zander (9:12:42 PM): I already think I do know what he is - Ortho or, the one I'm kinda leaning to after talking to everyone this week, SETUP CITIZEN
spies4kip (9:12:49 PM): then we can focus on imprisonments revealing more information
spies4Zander (9:13:19 PM): I dunno, I respect your ideas and you could be just as right as I am. And if I'm right I'm not going to run around like a moron and say it, but my gut just tells me this is all wrong...
spies4kip (9:13:29 PM): and yeah, it could be a setup
spies4kip (9:13:34 PM): which we also need to kno
spies4kip (9:13:40 PM): so we can pinpoint who set him up
spies4Zander (9:14:09 PM): I'm still getting too personally involved in this game. I hate seeing things go against people I think are innocent. No Cain's not the best person but he's earned his place here more than a couple other people and if he is a citizen then this SUCKS. Then masaki weaseled his way out like he wanted. And I won't stop til I get him out, because I just know he's a spy.
spies4kip (9:14:31 PM): he very well could be
spies4kip (9:14:46 PM): hes on my suspect list
spies4kip (9:14:51 PM): not as high as cain though
spies4Zander (9:14:55 PM): I'm just tired of everyone saying "Oh Zander I think Masaki is a suspect too but I'd rather bandwagon this week"
spies4Zander (9:15:02 PM): nothing against you...
spies4Zander (9:15:07 PM): *Sigh...* I'm gonna take a break until exile
spies4Zander (9:15:12 PM): I'll see you there, right?
spies4kip (9:15:17 PM): if cain isnt a spy, im more than willing to vote masaki next time
spies4kip (9:15:26 PM): just right now, i have to kno
spies4Zander (9:15:33 PM): I respect that.
spies4kip (9:15:37 PM): i have some thoeries cooking, but they depend on the results
spies4kip (9:15:46 PM): and the actions others take regarding them
spies4Zander (9:15:50 PM): You vote for who you need to vote for. That's much more respectable than voting for who you think other people want you to vote for.
spies4Zander (9:16:19 PM): And since I feel the most evidence is on Masaki (Particularly because I've been following him all game), I have to vote for him.
spies4Zander (9:16:27 PM): I'll see you later
spies4kip (9:16:40 PM): ttyl
spies4kip (9:16:46 PM): and vote for your suspicions
spies4kip (9:16:56 PM): i dont fault you for suspecting masaki over cain
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spies4kip (11:24:39 PM): i guess you're right
spies4Zander (11:25:21 PM): It's a talent I guess
spies4Zander (11:25:38 PM): But I was wrong about Beverly so don't cream your pants just yet
spies4kip (11:25:46 PM): i'd never
spies4Zander (11:26:05 PM): lol
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[Zander]

spies4Leon (1:11:14 PM): genius
spies4Leon (1:11:16 PM): haha
spies4Zander (1:11:19 PM): Thank Candy.
spies4Zander (1:11:37 PM): She told me to look back through everything I've gone over in the game
spies4Zander (1:11:44 PM): but I've been watching him since Week 1
spies4Zander (1:11:54 PM): And I've almost always known in the back of my head he was a spy
spies4Zander (1:12:03 PM): in weeks 2 3 4 I tried to get as close to him as possible
spies4Leon (1:12:25 PM): well this makes perfect sense
spies4Leon (1:12:52 PM): back in the original families, Naomi was quick to agree with what he had to say
spies4Leon (1:13:38 PM): and as I said in my post, during exile 3.1, he blatently lied to me about who he was voting for no reason
spies4Leon (1:14:03 PM): ive never gotten straight answers from him so i agree with you 100%
spies4Zander (1:15:13 PM): I blocked him;
spies4Leon (1:15:18 PM): lol
spies4Zander (1:15:21 PM): Beverly talked me out of voting for her last time, I won't let him do it to me now
spies4Leon (1:15:37 PM): smart
spies4Leon (1:17:24 PM): btw, when did Sam tell us Madison was expelled?
spies4Zander (1:17:34 PM): Right after the trial
spies4Leon (1:17:39 PM): ah
spies4Zander (1:17:42 PM): I basically exploded into sadness and ran away for 2 days
spies4Leon (1:17:50 PM): I had no clue that happened haha
spies4Leon (1:17:54 PM): until like an hour ago
spies4Zander (1:18:05 PM): But I kinda re-assessed why I wanted to play in the first place. Relationships shouldn't have anything to do with that
spies4Zander (1:18:09 PM): so I'm back and ready to kick ass
spies4Leon (1:18:31 PM): yeah, relationships are un-needed in this game
spies4Zander (1:18:36 PM): Anyway I'll be around but I got some stuff I want to get done, so hopefully I'll chat to you in a few...
spies4Leon (1:18:47 PM): ok, ttyl
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spies4Leon (8:42:26 PM): Hey
spies4Zander (8:47:21 PM): Howdy
spies4Leon (8:47:59 PM): So, are you still gunnin for Masaki?
spies4Zander (8:48:12 PM): I guess you could say that lol
spies4Zander (8:48:20 PM): I still think he is a spy, so yes, he has my vote.
spies4Leon (8:48:49 PM): yeah, I would've voted Cain, but since I got him as a default family, I voted Mistaki
spies4Zander (8:48:53 PM): He's pretty much not leaving tonight anyway. But I suspect him more than Cain so I don't see why I should vote for the popular candidate when it contradicts how I feel.
spies4Zander (8:48:56 PM): :-P
spies4Leon (8:49:04 PM): lol
spies4Zander (8:49:38 PM): Tonight will be interesting...
spies4Leon (8:49:44 PM): yeah
spies4Zander (8:49:53 PM): My gut just tells me that Cain isn't a spy, but if I'm wrong then kudos to everyone
spies4Zander (8:50:14 PM): I suspect him, yes, but something inside of me just keeps saying that this exile is wrong...
spies4Leon (8:50:30 PM): yeah i get what you mean
spies4Zander (8:50:34 PM): Me and my damn internal conflict lol
spies4Leon (8:50:58 PM): i think Cain will turn up a spy
spies4Leon (8:51:07 PM): i just think Masaki is more likely
spies4Zander (8:51:08 PM): Then I hope you're right lol
spies4Leon (8:51:15 PM): think about it
spies4Leon (8:51:26 PM): why would he do so much work to say "oh, we can get rid of Cain"
spies4Leon (8:51:33 PM): after his name was brought up
spies4Zander (8:51:35 PM): I'm like beyond a reasonable doubt sure that Masaki is a spy... That's why I think he has earned my vote. Cain is in the middle
spies4Leon (8:51:51 PM): Masaki was incredibly panicky though
spies4Zander (8:51:54 PM): He has no consistency
spies4Leon (8:51:58 PM): the instant i posted my thoughts in your thread
spies4Leon (8:52:00 PM): he came running at me
spies4Zander (8:52:04 PM): did you notice how he super defended himself and din't go offline at ALL the whole two days?
spies4Leon (8:52:10 PM): *exactly
spies4Zander (8:52:14 PM): beyond that, he just like... skipped the points he couldn't defend himself against
spies4Zander (8:52:24 PM): and only pointed out those he had some type of argument against
spies4Leon (8:52:33 PM): yeah
spies4Leon (8:52:35 PM): he persudeded me to vote Cain
spies4Leon (8:52:44 PM): but since I can't, i voted him
spies4Zander (8:52:55 PM): lol
spies4Zander (8:53:43 PM): I just love how there is nothing constant with him. "I think Cain's the traditionalist, so let's keep him. Oh wait I'm at risk? Get rid of him, NOW. Even though two weeks ago I could swear he was a cit!"
spies4Zander (8:53:48 PM): Lying fucking spywhore
spies4Zander (8:54:11 PM): And I hate how everyone's like "Oh Zander, I believe you! Masaki IS suspicious. Just wait til after I bandwagon!"
spies4Zander (8:54:25 PM): I'm not waiting to exile someone I think is a spy. Sorry.
spies4Leon (8:54:34 PM): yeah
spies4Leon (11:03:54 PM): was that by you?
spies4Zander (11:04:02 PM): NO
spies4Zander (11:04:06 PM): I'm surprised as all hell
spies4Leon (11:04:09 PM): lol
spies4Zander (11:04:09 PM): I thought about doing it too lol
spies4Leon (11:04:18 PM): why, do you know who he is?
spies4Zander (11:04:34 PM): I pretty much told him I did, and I think I do lol
spies4Leon (11:04:38 PM): who?
spies4Zander (11:04:51 PM): I'm not telling you :-P
spies4Leon (11:04:58 PM): why?
spies4Leon (11:05:02 PM): ()
spies4Zander (11:05:04 PM): I don't need an accusation vote to exile someone I think is a spy. That's dirty play
spies4Leon (11:05:20 PM): i wouldnt accuse lol
spies4Leon (11:05:24 PM): i just want to know
spies4Leon (11:05:27 PM): i didnt accuse Lloud
spies4Leon (11:05:30 PM): Lloyd*
spies4Zander (11:05:37 PM): Well, perhaps when you're older :-P
spies4Zander (11:05:42 PM): I didn't either even though he thought I did lol
spies4Zander (11:05:46 PM): but I knew his ID too
spies4Leon (11:06:03 PM): well, wjayever lol
spies4Leon (11:06:06 PM): what&
spies4Zander (11:06:26 PM): lol
spies4Leon (11:08:23 PM): Masaki = spy
spies4Leon (11:08:28 PM): def.
spies4Zander (11:08:33 PM): I called both of these things lol...
spies4Leon (11:08:49 PM): yeah, i didnt think it would happen
spies4Leon (11:08:52 PM): but hes a cit...
spies4Leon (11:08:57 PM): its gotta be Masaki
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[Zander]

spies4Masaki (1:10:14 PM): Zander!
spies4Zander (1:10:19 PM): Yo
spies4Masaki (1:10:30 PM): You wench, how can you say I said that? That's bogus
spies4Zander (1:10:40 PM): It's not bogus Masaki
spies4Masaki (1:10:42 PM): I'm reading the entire conversation we had last night
spies4Zander (1:10:44 PM): I've been watching you for weeks now
spies4Zander (1:10:52 PM): This isn't just an overnight thing
spies4Masaki (1:10:55 PM): And not once did I said I had no suspicions
spies4Zander (1:11:04 PM): I've gone over everything I've talked to you about the whole game
spies4Zander (1:11:13 PM): I know that's wrong, and if I had the conversation saved I could prove you wrong
spies4Masaki (1:11:31 PM): Oh? So your accusation then is that I've never had a suspicion this entire game.
spies4Masaki (1:11:40 PM): Naomi? Candy? Cain?
spies4Masaki (1:11:50 PM): I've been fairly vocal about all three of my theories regarding them
spies4Masaki (1:12:05 PM): And I know for a fact I've spoken up about Candy and Naomi with you
spies4Masaki (1:12:15 PM): If you really want me to post the logs, then I'm going to
spies4Zander (1:12:19 PM): It's not taht you've never had a suspicion in this game
spies4Zander (1:12:36 PM): I have nothing to hide Masaki. The chat logs are not just mine, they are what other people have found as well
spies4Masaki (1:12:38 PM): then why are you lying?
spies4Masaki (1:12:40 PM): "
Aren't you the one that talked to me yesterday and said you basically had no suspicions right now?"
spies4Zander (1:12:40 PM): you're afraid, and I want to know why
spies4Masaki (1:12:42 PM): That is what you said
spies4Masaki (1:12:47 PM): And that is 100% false.
spies4Zander (1:12:51 PM): I asked you what your thoughts were and you pretty much said you had none
spies4Zander (1:13:02 PM): You didn't even tell me who you thought should be exiled
spies4Zander (1:13:04 PM): THAT'S not fake
spies4Masaki (1:13:09 PM): You never asked.
spies4Zander (1:13:11 PM): And you said you thought Cain was a spy but wanted to save him
spies4Zander (1:13:13 PM): OH hell yes I did
spies4Zander (1:13:29 PM): TRY and manipulate the conversation, you spy. I dare you.
spies4Masaki (1:13:31 PM): Zander, did you forget the entire part where I theorized on the pluses and minuses of exiling Cain?
spies4Masaki (1:13:46 PM): My conclusion was that Cain should go
spies4Zander (1:13:51 PM): BY TRYING TO SAVE SOMEONE YOU THOUGHT COULD BE A SPY SO YOU GET A FREE RIDE FOR 3 EXILES
spies4Masaki (1:14:00 PM): *sigh*
spies4Zander (1:14:01 PM): You're completely contradictory
spies4Masaki (1:14:11 PM): You aren't even listening
spies4Zander (1:14:12 PM): You want to use Cain to your advantage when you think he's a spy, and yet you didn't want to use Angelica.
spies4Zander (1:14:19 PM): I don't need to, I listened to Bev and she talked me out of it
spies4Masaki (1:14:22 PM): I argued both sides
spies4Masaki (1:14:27 PM): Showing the PLUSES and MINUSES
spies4Zander (1:14:28 PM): I'm not listening now, I have all the evidence I need
spies4Masaki (1:14:30 PM): That's how COURT CASES WORK
spies4Masaki (1:14:33 PM): You listen to both sides
spies4Zander (1:14:35 PM): YOU WANTED IT DONE OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SUGGESTED IT
spies4Masaki (1:14:35 PM): And you make a decision
spies4Masaki (1:14:41 PM): You don't ignore one side and just pick one
spies4Masaki (1:14:46 PM): You have to hear out both sides before you decide
spies4Zander (1:14:52 PM): You're right Masaki, YOU NEVER PICK A SIDE
spies4Masaki (1:14:55 PM): Just because I said tehre were pluses does NOT mean I thought it was the best course of action
spies4Zander (1:14:55 PM): YOU PICK WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR
spies4Zander (1:14:57 PM): Not this time.
spies4Zander (1:14:59 PM): Game over.
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spies4Masaki (2:49:55 PM): I responded, Zander,

Auto response from spies4Zander (2:49:55 PM): I'm not letting you talk me out of this. Not again.

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spies4Masaki (10:45:29 PM): Everyone, go to the Spies 4 forum, there is a chat box at the top of the page.
spies4Zander (10:45:43 PM): gotcha
spies4Masaki (11:15:50 PM): I thought accusations weren't tools to be used for getting people out. ;-)
spies4Masaki (11:15:54 PM): Oh well, I expected it
spies4Zander (11:18:45 PM): I honestly didn't do it.
spies4Zander (11:18:50 PM): I know you don't buy that but I didn't
spies4Zander (11:19:02 PM): If I wanted you exiled I'd do it properly.
spies4Masaki (11:19:10 PM): Hmmm
spies4Masaki (11:19:14 PM): If you didn't, then who did?
spies4Zander (11:19:25 PM): Your guess is honestly as good as mine
spies4Zander (11:19:32 PM): but I'm not shitting you here, I did not accuse you
spies4Masaki (11:19:41 PM): Doesn't matter
spies4Masaki (11:19:51 PM): Just thought it would be funny if you did so after giving me that speech
spies4Zander (11:20:00 PM): It would be but I'm not a jackass :-P
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