Episode IX Thoughts - Part 2

[Singe]

spies4Singe: hey
spies4Candy: Hey
spies4Singe: get in that group chat!
spies4Candy: What group chat
spies4Candy: What's the name
spies4Singe: toolshed
spies4Candy signed off at 10:03:34 PM.
spies4Candy signed on at 10:03:42 PM.
spies4Candy: Try again
spies4Candy: So you really want me to say
spies4Candy: "Because Singe has a bullshit role"?
spies4Candy: In a room of 5 people
spies4Singe: dont mention my role
spies4Candy: You want me to give away that you're making a role claim
spies4Singe: no
spies4Candy: Well that's why
spies4Candy: Bitch
spies4Singe: i am trying to cover for me accidentally posting one hint that i have a role
spies4Singe: in the off chance
spies4Candy: You are saing I'm a spy
spies4Singe: that you are not a spy
spies4Candy: And you want me to cover for you
spies4Candy: You can't have it both ways
spies4Singe: ill claim if/when i have to
spies4Singe: but
spies4Candy: Then stop provoking me to say it
spies4Singe: until gordy proves otherwise
spies4Candy: I can clearly keep my mouth shut
spies4Candy: No one knew about Johan from me
spies4Singe: you HAVE to be responsible for johan's death
spies4Candy: I am not
spies4Candy: He trusted me
spies4Candy: I trusted him
spies4Singe: unless there was an inv of his role
spies4Candy: We had a partnership with Gordy
spies4Singe: i am open to all possibilities
spies4Candy: The 3 of us were going to get a spy out
spies4Singe: i DO know that orthos have roles
spies4Candy: And guess what? I still am getting a spy out
spies4Singe: so it's POSSIBLE they inv's johan, weird inv though
spies4Candy: Yeah it is
spies4Candy: But I would never have betrayed Johan
spies4Singe: who are you getting out?
spies4Candy: Not in a million years
spies4Singe: got another candidate besides me? cause i aint a spy
spies4Candy: Singe
spies4Candy: Johan's role was "I get messages"
spies4Candy: OK big deal
spies4Candy: You really think I'd giv eup the chance to exile a threat in order to get someone who "gets messages"?
spies4Candy: Get over it.
spies4Candy: Seriously.
spies4Singe: to exile who?
spies4Candy: Imprison
spies4Candy: Whatever
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: although i think the spies turned in their order before you learned of my role
spies4Candy: Deadlines in other games were 1 hour before imprisonment was posted
spies4Candy: So nope
spies4Candy: Try again
spies4Singe: but you are almost certainly not tonight's killer
spies4Singe: so this is TOTALLY befuddling
spies4Singe: you learned of johan ep 5
spies4Candy: YEAH
spies4Singe: so you could have told the other spy team
spies4Singe: but risky on your part
spies4Candy: HELLO I'm the #1 threat for exile WHY WOULD I GET RID OF SOMEONE WHO TRUSTED ME LIKE THAT
spies4Singe: cause if johan told anyone he told you (he told me kinda)
spies4Singe: true also
spies4Singe: ...
spies4Singe: quit being a jackass and let's talk this through over the next few days
spies4Candy: Because he "gets messages"?
spies4Candy: From people who TRUST ME?
spies4Singe: i know its a lame role
spies4Singe: why did you think i was the last trad?
spies4Candy: Whatever!
spies4Singe: why was i your top exile target
spies4Candy: Not mine dear
spies4Singe: also, do you have all of johan's messages?
spies4Singe: you should consider posting them
spies4Candy: Martha's
spies4Candy: Sherri's
spies4Candy: Lloyd's
spies4Candy: Grace's
spies4Candy: Jeremiah's
spies4Candy: .....
spies4Singe: hmm?
spies4Candy: LL wants you dead
spies4Singe: oh
spies4Candy: All of them
spies4Singe: they think im a spy?
spies4Candy: Every single citizen
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: retards
spies4Candy: Thinks you are a spy
spies4Candy: ALL OF THEM
spies4Singe: you think jeremiah's an idiot
spies4Singe: why listen to him now?
spies4Candy: You're an idiot
spies4Singe: oh?
spies4Candy: You have what, 12 people sharing info freely?
spies4Candy: No one's lying
spies4Candy: And collectively they all suspect you
spies4Candy: And you're going "they're retards"
spies4Singe: they are
spies4Candy: OK
spies4Singe: did any of them find us a spy?
spies4Singe: lloyd gave us ralph
spies4Singe: jeremiah tried to give us you
spies4Singe: grace? please
spies4Singe: martha?
spies4Singe: how do you KNOW they all feel that way
spies4Singe: because Johan sent me the only 2 PMs about me
spies4Singe: wanna revise your lie?
spies4Candy: GORDY
spies4Candy: Jackass
spies4Candy: He's here to represent all of them
spies4Singe: gordy is a MORON
spies4Singe: 100%
spies4Singe: "The second message is not really a message per se, but comes from Gordy, who says to me that in the Loser's Lounge there was a consensus among the citizens that you were the top suspect as a Spy. I will try to find this in my conversations however that will have to be at a later time."
spies4Singe: consensus is not unanimous
spies4Singe: so a majority of them are retarded
spies4Singe: do you trust Zander
spies4Candy: I forgot Johan told him
spies4Singe: i cant believe johan was such a tard
spies4Singe: zander is so not cleared
spies4Singe: not that you were
spies4Singe: or that i was
spies4Singe: but ZANDER?
spies4Singe: still think i was responsible for johan?
spies4Candy: You failed to protect him
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Candy: Mmm
spies4Singe: but i found out about johan's role too late, one sec timeline:
spies4Candy: He PMed you back when he told me
spies4Candy: You've known
spies4Candy: So shut up
spies4Singe: me on nov 11th 8pm (sunday)
spies4Singe: "yeah I noticed :-) and I'll think this through carefully before making my choices tomorrow.

Am I correct that I can make 0-8 people immune this episode?"
spies4Candy: And you chose ZERO
spies4Singe: nov 12th 11pm:
spies4Singe: "none immune tonight."
spies4Singe: i talked to Gordy for 2 hrsish the night of nov 12th
spies4Singe: told him my role
spies4Singe: begged him for help
spies4Candy: Yeah right
spies4Candy: You don't beg
spies4Candy: You don't thinkyou need help
spies4Singe: he tried to trap me as a spy
spies4Candy: And you didn't ask for help
spies4Singe: candy
spies4Singe: think about it
spies4Singe: i found out sunday night that my role had a phase 2
spies4Singe: at 6:27 pm
spies4Singe: i caught a plane to LA at 7:30pm that night
spies4Singe: woke up at 6am to go to the client site for my first day on a new job
spies4Candy: YAWN
spies4Singe: went out to dinner after
spies4Candy: Your petty insignificant life bores me
spies4Singe: came home 10ish pm
spies4Singe: and get a message from sam that i have to choose NOW or no one will be immune
spies4Singe: he gave me NO time
spies4Singe: so for 2 hrs i talked to gordy
spies4Singe: and thought about whether to risk making you or anyone else immune
spies4Singe: you, summer, johan, masaki, zander, kip, leon, faizah, abrams, hannah, bunni, damon
spies4Singe: which would YOU have made immune?
spies4Singe: HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO
spies4Candy: ME
spies4Singe: sorry, cant choose yourself
spies4Candy: I can do whatever I want
spies4Singe: no, you cant
spies4Singe: so answer.
spies4Candy: I can't write my name in the snow with my urine
spies4Candy: But I can give birth
spies4Singe: somehow i doubt that
spies4Candy: HAHA
spies4Singe: so tell me, who would you have immuned
spies4Candy: ME
spies4Singe: you cant immune yourself that day
spies4Singe: so who do you choose
spies4Singe: this is a serious question
spies4Candy: People who I consider assets
spies4Candy: I don't toss them out to the wolves
spies4Singe: i will give you one day like sam gave me lol
spies4Singe: so who?
spies4Candy: ALL HAIL KING SINGE AND HIS ONE DAY GENEROSITY
spies4Singe: i will need to buy you a drink someday
spies4Singe: hopefully you dont live too far
spies4Candy signed on at 2:07:58 PM.
spies4Candy signed off at 2:31:04 PM.
spies4Candy signed on at 2:31:09 PM.
spies4Singe: hey bitch
spies4Candy: I have to interview you
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Candy: I'm thinking of questions like
spies4Candy: SO YOU HAVE THIS BULLSHIT ROLE
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: omg
spies4Candy: WHY DON'T YOU TELL US ABOUT IT
spies4Singe:
spies4Singe: that made me laugh
spies4Singe: ok so
spies4Singe: i will just tell you this one more time
spies4Singe: if you try to get me exiled
spies4Singe: it will almost certainly fail but
spies4Singe: if it succeeds
spies4Singe: i am a cit and you will have SO much explaining to do
spies4Singe: i will lay the case out for exiling you beforehand
spies4Singe: so that when i die from exile or impris
spies4Singe: you WILL be next to get exiled, i GUARANTEE it
spies4Singe: so if you are a cit
spies4Singe: use your head
spies4Candy: IF YOU ARE A CIT
spies4Singe: open your mind
spies4Candy: YOU WILL DO WHAT I TELL YOU
spies4Singe: no, just open your damned mind
spies4Candy: Your communication skills are worse than mine
spies4Singe: quit being a blockheaded retard
spies4Candy: I keep telling you not ot say that to me
spies4Candy: You never learn
spies4Singe: see, if you are a spy you're an ortho
spies4Singe: taking the heat for your team
spies4Candy: There you go again
spies4Singe: hoping your partner can oast, cause you KNOW you're dying eventually
spies4Singe: *coast
spies4Candy: You have no idea what's up and what's down
spies4Candy: I have no idea why people think you're great at catching spies
spies4Candy: Who are you going to catch this exile Singe?
spies4Candy: Make it a good one
spies4Singe: i'm voting leon
spies4Candy: Fine
spies4Singe: unless this evidence gathering works out
spies4Singe: i'm scouring the forums, it's worth it to get everything in one place
spies4Singe: the little details like "candy cant really be the trad"
spies4Candy: Right that's why you've posted such great Leon evidence
spies4Singe: people forget that shit over time
spies4Singe: dude, there's very LITTLE leon evidence
spies4Singe: cause he says nothing
spies4Candy: So why are you voting for him?
spies4Singe: because the alternatives are
spies4Singe: you, who i am unsure of
spies4Singe: zander, who i am unsure of
spies4Singe: masaki, who i am unsure of
spies4Singe: faiz abrams i know NOTHING about
spies4Singe: damon who's starting to play but almost as suspicious as leon
spies4Singe: hannah bunni who i have cit vibes from
spies4Singe: kip who im leaning cit on
spies4Singe: i think there's one more
spies4Singe: summer who i suspect a bit but she's also a good player and a terrible exile
spies4Singe: that's my situation
spies4Singe: i HATE exiling good players
spies4Singe: for several reasons
spies4Singe: thus, my complete lack of promoting you as an exile candidate, EVER
spies4Singe: (retard.)
spies4Singe: interview me
spies4Candy: You don't do it on the board
spies4Candy: I don't even have questions ready
spies4Candy: Ugh
spies4Singe: Whenever!
spies4Singe: I dont do it behind the scenes.
spies4Singe: Paste me one IM that shows me trying to persuade someone to Exile you
spies4Singe: you cant do it
spies4Singe: cause i never have
spies4Singe: (retard)\
spies4Candy: What are you, 12?
spies4Candy: Grow up
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: just having fun
spies4Singe: like you
spies4Candy: I'll make up some questions later
spies4Singe: better hurry
spies4Candy: You not going to be here for exile?
spies4Singe: but ill be around til 7 central
spies4Singe: then here but preoccupied
spies4Candy signed off at 3:51:31 PM.
spies4Candy signed on at 7:14:11 PM.
spies4Candy: Interview.
spies4Candy: Pardon me
spies4Candy: King Singe, your humble subject requests permission to interview you
spies4Singe: bring it
spies4Candy: Thank you, your highness
spies4Candy: You said last night you wanted to buy me a drink. Who else have you pathetically tried to hit on?
spies4Singe: Well, I think I said I'd buy you a drink except that you have a penis, but the odds of that are slim.
spies4Singe: I think I hit on Bev because I like her style.
spies4Singe: Even though she too has a penis.
spies4Candy: And you don't
spies4Singe: LOL
spies4Candy: Oh sorry I'm asking questions
spies4Candy: Who died and made you king?
spies4Candy: Sorry
spies4Candy: I shouldnt' ask that
spies4Singe: Um, if I were king people would listen to me.
spies4Singe: They seem to listen to you actually.
spies4Singe: And you have a "Fan Club of the Dead"
spies4Candy: How insanely jealous does that make you?
spies4Singe: Like those guys on the couch in Beetlejuice.
spies4Singe: Not terribly, I just want to win.
spies4Singe: As you can tell, approval rating ain't what I'm after.
spies4Candy: I loved this question when Damon asked it to me. I'm gonna forward it to you.
spies4Candy: If you had to name two targets to be the likely ORTHO Spies who would they be and why? Do you think they're working together outwardly or is it a private bond?
spies4Singe: No, I don't think they're working together outwardly you dink.
spies4Singe: Because if they were we'd squash them under one foot.
spies4Singe: Their private bond runs deep however.
spies4Singe: They roam the streets at night hopped up on Mountain Dew and Cheetos.
spies4Candy: Keep typing because you haven't answered the question.
spies4Candy: YAWN
spies4Singe: Um, two people.
spies4Singe: Sorry, I'm leading a raid in Warcraft. *blushes*
spies4Singe: Candy and Leon.
spies4Singe: Next most likely pair: Damon and Summer maybe?
spies4Candy: Keep typing because you haven't answered the question
spies4Candy: YAWN
spies4Singe: Um, Candy and Leon because they've focused on nailing the trad
spies4Singe: and they acted weird together, primarily Leon
spies4Singe: when I accused leon of being a spy with my fake inv
spies4Singe: Damon because he's too conveniently in and out
spies4Singe: Summer because she plays like she has something to hide a lot.
spies4Singe: And she was too focused on Cain as well.
spies4Singe: like you were.
spies4Singe: WOO TRAD DIE TRAD DIE
spies4Candy: I'm stealing this question from Hannah
spies4Candy: What do u think of ppl forming alliances? Would u or have u formed one?
spies4Singe: Never, alliances are inherently bad.
spies4Singe: You should never trust anyone ever and anyone who forms an alliance is probably a spy with that person.
spies4Singe: Great question, next?
spies4Candy: "You should never trust anyone ever"
spies4Candy: Explain then why you keep fucking annoying me with statements like "You really should trust me Candy"
spies4Singe: Because you should be expected to take it as bad as you dish it.
spies4Singe: And you annoy the fuck out of everyone too
spies4Singe: Pity that wasn't Rankings #4
spies4Candy: ANSWER THE QUESTION
spies4Singe: second killing a Bloodwarder Legionairre
spies4Singe: DIE INFIDEL
spies4Singe: ok, so I annoy you by asking you that because I don't see how you can actually suspect me of certain things, cause that implies you don't have a cerebral cortex.
spies4Singe: Like you suspecting me of killing Damon or whatever.
spies4Singe: er Johan
spies4Singe: whatever the fuck the lurker's name was
spies4Candy: What does suspecting you have to do with trusting you?
spies4Candy: I can not suspect you but also not trust you
spies4Candy: Why are you so desperate for my trust?
spies4Candy: In fact
spies4Candy: Why are you so desperate for everyone you talk to to say they trust you?
spies4Singe: In all seriousness
spies4Singe: One way I find spies is cause they overtrust or undertrust
spies4Singe: Based on available evidence
spies4Singe: So I'm gauging you.
spies4Candy: Who overtrusts and who undertrusts?
spies4Candy: I want names
spies4Singe: faizah voting me is kind of bizarre
spies4Singe: she hasnt asked me a question in weeks
spies4Singe: you'd think you'd be curious about your main suspect
spies4Singe: let's see
spies4Singe: bunni overtrusted then undertrusted then overtrusted
spies4Singe: but i have a good vibe read from her so meh
spies4Singe: zander undertrusts mistaki and overtrusts you
spies4Singe: hannah and summer overtrust you
spies4Singe: masaki is fairly balanced
spies4Singe: you are fairly balanced as far as i can tell
spies4Singe: damon's about right
spies4Candy: Cain, Masaki, and the jury votes and tiebreaker. Discuss.
spies4Singe: huh?
spies4Singe: the switch of those two ortho - trad icks?
spies4Singe: weird, made me suspect the fatemaker data
spies4Singe: looks almost like spies trying to set up cits as spies
spies4Candy: Elaborate
spies4Singe: well, they wanted to make someone look bad
spies4Singe: so they took cain's/mistaki's vote away
spies4Singe: then they wanted to make them look like they were getting a favor from the spies
spies4Singe: ie spies themselves
spies4Singe: weird that it revrersed perfectly
spies4Singe: possible collaboration there
spies4Candy: Ask a question and then answer it
spies4Candy: Make it witty and relevant
spies4Singe: Singe, how are you so sure you're a Cit? I mean, you've fooled people before.
spies4Singe: Um, all you really need to do is read between the lines. If I'm manipulating, I'm a spy.
spies4Singe: If I'm not trying for real, I'm a spy.
spies4Singe: If my behavior smells funky, I'm a spy.
spies4Singe: I smell like strawberries this game, ergo I am a Cit.
spies4Singe: You're busy so I'll ask another.
spies4Singe: What's your take on Leon?
spies4Singe: Singe: "Who?"
spies4Singe: did you vote Masaki or leon?
spies4Candy: Yes
spies4Singe: thanks
spies4Singe: i swear im not the mole
spies4Singe: WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE ME

[Singe]

spies4Singe: so, Candy
spies4Singe: you know I have a role
spies4Singe: yet you choose not to talk to me about your exile plans
spies4Singe: or general strategy
spies4Singe: whatever am I to conclude
spies4Candy: You forget that I think you're a liar
spies4Singe: so what's your plan for dealing with this liar
spies4Candy: One step at a time
spies4Singe: you're so full of shit
spies4Singe: you show fear, not curiosity about my role
spies4Candy: You PMed me everything
spies4Candy: And I fear no one
spies4Singe: yeah you do
spies4Candy: Whatever!
spies4Singe: i smelled your lie right there
spies4Candy: You are such a MALE
spies4Singe: your lies smell like Taco Bell
spies4Singe: seriously, have you told your trusted circle about my role?
spies4Singe: or too scared to?
spies4Candy: Fuck off
spies4Candy: I'm scared of no one
spies4Singe: no, you really are
spies4Singe: 1) when i die as cit you're a dead girl whether you're cit or spy
spies4Singe: because ill tell this tale of you knowing my role
spies4Singe: and not discussing it with me at all even though i prodded you
spies4Singe: 2) you're scared my role will screw up your plans
spies4Candy: I don't need to discuss it
spies4Candy: What's there to discuss? You're lying, you know it, I know it
spies4Singe: ill protect next episode and force the spies to kill you lol
spies4Candy: Right
spies4Candy: You go ahead and do that
spies4Candy: Mr. Orthodoxy spy
spies4Singe: unless you're the ortho
spies4Singe: and then you'll be forced to kill the one remaining person lol
spies4Singe: sealing your fate
spies4Singe: are you allowed to no-kill?
spies4Singe: that might help you out
spies4Candy: I don't know why I even talk to you anymore
spies4Candy: I thought you had a brain
spies4Singe: i recommend that strategy
spies4Candy: Clearly you don't
spies4Singe: no, im reading you every second
spies4Candy: Shut up
spies4Singe: and you're putting off a stench
spies4Candy: If I go forward with you having a role, who gets imprisoned?
spies4Candy: You or me?
spies4Candy: You keep pushing me and I will
spies4Candy: You are immature and obnoxious
spies4Candy: And if you don't grow up I won't put up with you anymore
spies4Candy: You want ot talk game?
spies4Candy: Fine
spies4Candy: Talk game
spies4Candy: You want to be a jackass?
spies4Candy: Go to an arcade
spies4Singe: You have thus far refused to talk game with me
spies4Candy: I'm so over King Singe
spies4Candy: I talk game with everyone who wants to
spies4Candy: You want to play games
spies4Singe: I have a pleasant surprise for you babe
spies4Singe: ready?
spies4Candy: You're fucking annoying
spies4Singe: ready?
spies4Singe: wait for it
spies4Singe: wait for it
spies4Singe: i'm a confirmed cit
spies4Singe: by investigation
spies4Candy: Whatever
spies4Singe: bad news for you i know
spies4Singe: i can afford to tell you this
spies4Singe: because
spies4Singe: if you are a spy
spies4Singe: you will kill me next impris regardless
spies4Singe: so me keeping that secret to YOU makes no sense
spies4Singe: if you are a CIT
spies4Singe: then now you know i am a confirmed cit
spies4Singe: you just don't know WHO confirmed me
spies4Singe: so now let's talk babe
spies4Singe: (10 seconds pass)
spies4Candy: I'm laughing my ass off
spies4Singe: no, you're not
spies4Candy: Oh yes I am
spies4Singe: you're scared
spies4Candy: You are so overconfident
spies4Singe: candy
spies4Singe: keep in mind
spies4Candy: Mmmm
spies4Singe: when you kill me next impris
spies4Singe: this all comes out as truth
spies4Candy: You start up with that again
spies4Singe: including this conversation
spies4Candy: And I block you for the night
spies4Candy: You talk to me like a normal person
spies4Candy: Or we're through
spies4Singe: OK, I'm a confirmed citizen, and I'm thrilled.
spies4Candy: Great
spies4Singe: I won't tell anyone else cause I don't want to add to my already significant risk of being imprisoned.
spies4Candy: I love it
spies4Singe: what's that?
spies4Candy: What's what?
spies4Singe: what do you love?
spies4Candy: Me
spies4Candy: I LOVE me
spies4Singe: are you denying all possibility that I'm telling the truth?
spies4Singe: is it 50-50?
spies4Candy: I'll never tell
spies4Singe: are you EXCITED at the possibility that you, a cit, might have an ally?
spies4Candy: There you go again
spies4Candy: "Trust me Candy"
spies4Singe: remember, i'm posting ALL of this.
spies4Candy: You should reconsider that
spies4Singe: your reaction will be scrutinized
spies4Candy: SO YOU'RE POSTING THAT YOU HAVE A ROLE AND YOU"RE A CONFIRMED CITIZEN?
spies4Candy: That will be my reaction
spies4Singe: I'll post it right before Impris
spies4Candy: I'll play dumb
spies4Singe: If I still think you're a likely spy
spies4Singe: I am a confirmed Citizen.
spies4Candy: Only so long as your investigator is
spies4Singe: Naw
spies4Candy: That doesn't sound very Singe-like to me
spies4Singe: they have a trusted individual or two
spies4Singe: they cant all 3 be spies
spies4Singe: together
spies4Singe: the odds of them jobbing me on this: infintesimal
spies4Candy: If you say so
spies4Singe: If you are a spy and you choose to off me at Impris
spies4Singe: I'll do my best before I go down to make sure people understand your interactions with me
spies4Singe: If someone ELSE kills me to set you up
spies4Candy: You can try
spies4Singe: You'll still be just as fucked...
spies4Candy: Except I'm not a spy
spies4Candy: So you'll be revealing your role for nothing
spies4Singe: Are you listening?
spies4Candy: I am listening
spies4Candy: And you're raving
spies4Singe: What should I do with my role?
spies4Candy: You're convinced I'm a spy and you have to set yourself up to protect yourself from me
spies4Candy: I'm over it
spies4Singe: No, I'm gauging you.
spies4Singe: What's your take on my role
spies4Candy: You're a horrible judge of character
spies4Candy: And you don't listen or you'd already know what I Think
spies4Singe: Do you think there's a protective role in this game?
spies4Candy: No
spies4Candy: I don't
spies4Singe: So your explanation for "cain has this role he protects more and more each ep"
spies4Singe: is what?
spies4Candy: Spy message
spies4Candy: Means 0
spies4Singe: so i hadnt heard about this spy message
spies4Singe: but somehow i matched it dead on with my claim to gordy
spies4Singe: good job candy
spies4Singe: clearly you havent thought this through
spies4Candy: Hello
spies4Singe: (10 seconds pass)
spies4Candy: You and Bev plan the role together
spies4Candy: Bev leaves
spies4Singe: ok, so that's your theory
spies4Candy: Gives the message to plant the idea in the Priest's head that the role exists
spies4Singe: i am the trad
spies4Candy: Then you claim it
spies4Candy: TO THE PRIEST
spies4Candy: Could this be any more convienient?
spies4Singe: no, i claimed it to gordy
spies4Singe: nice try though
spies4Singe: candy, you're looking reeally bad right now
spies4Singe: i am getting very close to posting all this in the burg
spies4Candy: You're looking like an idiot right now
spies4Singe: my role, my confirmed status
spies4Candy: You think I'm a spy
spies4Candy: No one's tried harder than me to kick spy ass
spies4Singe: you havent thought ANY of this through
spies4Candy: I kicked ass in the group challenge
spies4Candy: I kicked ass in the mole game
spies4Candy: I'm an ass kicker
spies4Candy: And you are begging me to kick your ass
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Candy: You could try talking to me like a normal person
spies4Singe: listen, if you're a spy my days are numbered at like 5
spies4Candy: Maybe then I wouldn't be like "God this jackass is such an arrogant asshole"
spies4Singe: i am talking to the cit candy if there is one
spies4Candy: Your personality alone begs for an ass kicking
spies4Singe: i thought i was speaking your language
spies4Candy: I'm a lady
spies4Candy: Treat me as such
spies4Candy: It worked better for you in the beginning of the game
spies4Singe: you call people morons and assholes left and right
spies4Singe: you're no lady
spies4Candy:
spies4Singe: i admire your tactics
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: you're sloppy and you're showing spy around the edges
spies4Candy: Arrogance
spies4Singe: if you were a cit
spies4Candy: Stop
spies4Candy: I've had enough
spies4Candy: Stop
spies4Singe: you would evaluate my role
spies4Candy: I have told you
spies4Candy: Like 80 times
spies4Candy: NOT to tell me
spies4Candy: "IF YOU WERE A CIT YOU WOULD DO _____"
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: i am telling you my evaluation of you
spies4Singe: not telling you what to do
spies4Candy: You haven't learned
spies4Candy: You don't listen to me
spies4Candy: I shouldn't have to tell you 4 times every convo that I hate it when you do that
spies4Candy: Go piss someone else off
spies4Candy: I'm done with you for tonight
spies4Singe: your annoyance is greater than your curiosity?
spies4Candy: We're done.
spies4Singe: if you were Cit that wouldnt be the case
spies4Singe: *cackles*
spies4Candy signed off at 12:52:22 AM.

[Singe]

spies4Singe: hey
spies4Candy: Hey
spies4Singe: get in that group chat!
spies4Candy: What group chat
spies4Candy: What's the name
spies4Singe: toolshed
spies4Candy signed off at 10:03:34 PM.
spies4Candy signed on at 10:03:42 PM.
spies4Candy: Try again
spies4Candy: So you really want me to say
spies4Candy: "Because Singe has a bullshit role"?
spies4Candy: In a room of 5 people
spies4Singe: dont mention my role
spies4Candy: You want me to give away that you're making a role claim
spies4Singe: no
spies4Candy: Well that's why
spies4Candy: Bitch
spies4Singe: i am trying to cover for me accidentally posting one hint that i have a role
spies4Singe: in the off chance
spies4Candy: You are saing I'm a spy
spies4Singe: that you are not a spy
spies4Candy: And you want me to cover for you
spies4Candy: You can't have it both ways
spies4Singe: ill claim if/when i have to
spies4Singe: but
spies4Candy: Then stop provoking me to say it
spies4Singe: until gordy proves otherwise
spies4Candy: I can clearly keep my mouth shut
spies4Candy: No one knew about Johan from me
spies4Singe: you HAVE to be responsible for johan's death
spies4Candy: I am not
spies4Candy: He trusted me
spies4Candy: I trusted him
spies4Singe: unless there was an inv of his role
spies4Candy: We had a partnership with Gordy
spies4Singe: i am open to all possibilities
spies4Candy: The 3 of us were going to get a spy out
spies4Singe: i DO know that orthos have roles
spies4Candy: And guess what? I still am getting a spy out
spies4Singe: so it's POSSIBLE they inv's johan, weird inv though
spies4Candy: Yeah it is
spies4Candy: But I would never have betrayed Johan
spies4Singe: who are you getting out?
spies4Candy: Not in a million years
spies4Singe: got another candidate besides me? cause i aint a spy
spies4Candy: Singe
spies4Candy: Johan's role was "I get messages"
spies4Candy: OK big deal
spies4Candy: You really think I'd giv eup the chance to exile a threat in order to get someone who "gets messages"?
spies4Candy: Get over it.
spies4Candy: Seriously.
spies4Singe: to exile who?
spies4Candy: Imprison
spies4Candy: Whatever
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: although i think the spies turned in their order before you learned of my role
spies4Candy: Deadlines in other games were 1 hour before imprisonment was posted
spies4Candy: So nope
spies4Candy: Try again
spies4Singe: but you are almost certainly not tonight's killer
spies4Singe: so this is TOTALLY befuddling
spies4Singe: you learned of johan ep 5
spies4Candy: YEAH
spies4Singe: so you could have told the other spy team
spies4Singe: but risky on your part
spies4Candy: HELLO I'm the #1 threat for exile WHY WOULD I GET RID OF SOMEONE WHO TRUSTED ME LIKE THAT
spies4Singe: cause if johan told anyone he told you (he told me kinda)
spies4Singe: true also
spies4Singe: ...
spies4Singe: quit being a jackass and let's talk this through over the next few days
spies4Candy: Because he "gets messages"?
spies4Candy: From people who TRUST ME?
spies4Singe: i know its a lame role
spies4Singe: why did you think i was the last trad?
spies4Candy: Whatever!
spies4Singe: why was i your top exile target
spies4Candy: Not mine dear
spies4Singe: also, do you have all of johan's messages?
spies4Singe: you should consider posting them
spies4Candy: Martha's
spies4Candy: Sherri's
spies4Candy: Lloyd's
spies4Candy: Grace's
spies4Candy: Jeremiah's
spies4Candy: .....
spies4Singe: hmm?
spies4Candy: LL wants you dead
spies4Singe: oh
spies4Candy: All of them
spies4Singe: they think im a spy?
spies4Candy: Every single citizen
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: retards
spies4Candy: Thinks you are a spy
spies4Candy: ALL OF THEM
spies4Singe: you think jeremiah's an idiot
spies4Singe: why listen to him now?
spies4Candy: You're an idiot
spies4Singe: oh?
spies4Candy: You have what, 12 people sharing info freely?
spies4Candy: No one's lying
spies4Candy: And collectively they all suspect you
spies4Candy: And you're going "they're retards"
spies4Singe: they are
spies4Candy: OK
spies4Singe: did any of them find us a spy?
spies4Singe: lloyd gave us ralph
spies4Singe: jeremiah tried to give us you
spies4Singe: grace? please
spies4Singe: martha?
spies4Singe: how do you KNOW they all feel that way
spies4Singe: because Johan sent me the only 2 PMs about me
spies4Singe: wanna revise your lie?
spies4Candy: GORDY
spies4Candy: Jackass
spies4Candy: He's here to represent all of them
spies4Singe: gordy is a MORON
spies4Singe: 100%
spies4Singe: "The second message is not really a message per se, but comes from Gordy, who says to me that in the Loser's Lounge there was a consensus among the citizens that you were the top suspect as a Spy. I will try to find this in my conversations however that will have to be at a later time."
spies4Singe: consensus is not unanimous
spies4Singe: so a majority of them are retarded
spies4Singe: do you trust Zander
spies4Candy: I forgot Johan told him
spies4Singe: i cant believe johan was such a tard
spies4Singe: zander is so not cleared
spies4Singe: not that you were
spies4Singe: or that i was
spies4Singe: but ZANDER?
spies4Singe: still think i was responsible for johan?
spies4Candy: You failed to protect him
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Candy: Mmm
spies4Singe: but i found out about johan's role too late, one sec timeline:
spies4Candy: He PMed you back when he told me
spies4Candy: You've known
spies4Candy: So shut up
spies4Singe: me on nov 11th 8pm (sunday)
spies4Singe: "yeah I noticed :-) and I'll think this through carefully before making my choices tomorrow.

Am I correct that I can make 0-8 people immune this episode?"
spies4Candy: And you chose ZERO
spies4Singe: nov 12th 11pm:
spies4Singe: "none immune tonight."
spies4Singe: i talked to Gordy for 2 hrsish the night of nov 12th
spies4Singe: told him my role
spies4Singe: begged him for help
spies4Candy: Yeah right
spies4Candy: You don't beg
spies4Candy: You don't thinkyou need help
spies4Singe: he tried to trap me as a spy
spies4Candy: And you didn't ask for help
spies4Singe: candy
spies4Singe: think about it
spies4Singe: i found out sunday night that my role had a phase 2
spies4Singe: at 6:27 pm
spies4Singe: i caught a plane to LA at 7:30pm that night
spies4Singe: woke up at 6am to go to the client site for my first day on a new job
spies4Candy: YAWN
spies4Singe: went out to dinner after
spies4Candy: Your petty insignificant life bores me
spies4Singe: came home 10ish pm
spies4Singe: and get a message from sam that i have to choose NOW or no one will be immune
spies4Singe: he gave me NO time
spies4Singe: so for 2 hrs i talked to gordy
spies4Singe: and thought about whether to risk making you or anyone else immune
spies4Singe: you, summer, johan, masaki, zander, kip, leon, faizah, abrams, hannah, bunni, damon
spies4Singe: which would YOU have made immune?
spies4Singe: HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO
spies4Candy: ME
spies4Singe: sorry, cant choose yourself
spies4Candy: I can do whatever I want
spies4Singe: no, you cant
spies4Singe: so answer.
spies4Candy: I can't write my name in the snow with my urine
spies4Candy: But I can give birth
spies4Singe: somehow i doubt that
spies4Candy: HAHA
spies4Singe: so tell me, who would you have immuned
spies4Candy: ME
spies4Singe: you cant immune yourself that day
spies4Singe: so who do you choose
spies4Singe: this is a serious question
spies4Candy: People who I consider assets
spies4Candy: I don't toss them out to the wolves
spies4Singe: i will give you one day like sam gave me lol
spies4Singe: so who?
spies4Candy: ALL HAIL KING SINGE AND HIS ONE DAY GENEROSITY
spies4Singe: i will need to buy you a drink someday
spies4Singe: hopefully you dont live too far
spies4Candy signed on at 2:07:58 PM.
spies4Candy signed off at 2:31:04 PM.
spies4Candy signed on at 2:31:09 PM.
spies4Singe: hey bitch
spies4Candy: I have to interview you
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Candy: I'm thinking of questions like
spies4Candy: SO YOU HAVE THIS BULLSHIT ROLE
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: omg
spies4Candy: WHY DON'T YOU TELL US ABOUT IT
spies4Singe:
spies4Singe: that made me laugh
spies4Singe: ok so
spies4Singe: i will just tell you this one more time
spies4Singe: if you try to get me exiled
spies4Singe: it will almost certainly fail but
spies4Singe: if it succeeds
spies4Singe: i am a cit and you will have SO much explaining to do
spies4Singe: i will lay the case out for exiling you beforehand
spies4Singe: so that when i die from exile or impris
spies4Singe: you WILL be next to get exiled, i GUARANTEE it
spies4Singe: so if you are a cit
spies4Singe: use your head
spies4Candy: IF YOU ARE A CIT
spies4Singe: open your mind
spies4Candy: YOU WILL DO WHAT I TELL YOU
spies4Singe: no, just open your damned mind
spies4Candy: Your communication skills are worse than mine
spies4Singe: quit being a blockheaded retard
spies4Candy: I keep telling you not ot say that to me
spies4Candy: You never learn
spies4Singe: see, if you are a spy you're an ortho
spies4Singe: taking the heat for your team
spies4Candy: There you go again
spies4Singe: hoping your partner can oast, cause you KNOW you're dying eventually
spies4Singe: *coast
spies4Candy: You have no idea what's up and what's down
spies4Candy: I have no idea why people think you're great at catching spies
spies4Candy: Who are you going to catch this exile Singe?
spies4Candy: Make it a good one
spies4Singe: i'm voting leon
spies4Candy: Fine
spies4Singe: unless this evidence gathering works out
spies4Singe: i'm scouring the forums, it's worth it to get everything in one place
spies4Singe: the little details like "candy cant really be the trad"
spies4Candy: Right that's why you've posted such great Leon evidence
spies4Singe: people forget that shit over time
spies4Singe: dude, there's very LITTLE leon evidence
spies4Singe: cause he says nothing
spies4Candy: So why are you voting for him?
spies4Singe: because the alternatives are
spies4Singe: you, who i am unsure of
spies4Singe: zander, who i am unsure of
spies4Singe: masaki, who i am unsure of
spies4Singe: faiz abrams i know NOTHING about
spies4Singe: damon who's starting to play but almost as suspicious as leon
spies4Singe: hannah bunni who i have cit vibes from
spies4Singe: kip who im leaning cit on
spies4Singe: i think there's one more
spies4Singe: summer who i suspect a bit but she's also a good player and a terrible exile
spies4Singe: that's my situation
spies4Singe: i HATE exiling good players
spies4Singe: for several reasons
spies4Singe: thus, my complete lack of promoting you as an exile candidate, EVER
spies4Singe: (retard.)
spies4Singe: interview me
spies4Candy: You don't do it on the board
spies4Candy: I don't even have questions ready
spies4Candy: Ugh
spies4Singe: Whenever!
spies4Singe: I dont do it behind the scenes.
spies4Singe: Paste me one IM that shows me trying to persuade someone to Exile you
spies4Singe: you cant do it
spies4Singe: cause i never have
spies4Singe: (retard)\
spies4Candy: What are you, 12?
spies4Candy: Grow up
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: just having fun
spies4Singe: like you
spies4Candy: I'll make up some questions later
spies4Singe: better hurry
spies4Candy: You not going to be here for exile?
spies4Singe: but ill be around til 7 central
spies4Singe: then here but preoccupied

[Singe]

spies4Singe: did you vote Masaki or leon?
spies4Candy: Yes
spies4Singe: thanks
spies4Singe: i swear im not the mole
spies4Singe: WHY DONT YOU BELIEVE ME
spies4Singe: so, Candy
spies4Singe: you know I have a role
spies4Singe: yet you choose not to talk to me about your exile plans
spies4Singe: or general strategy
spies4Singe: whatever am I to conclude
spies4Candy: You forget that I think you're a liar
spies4Singe: so what's your plan for dealing with this liar
spies4Candy: One step at a time
spies4Singe: you're so full of shit
spies4Singe: you show fear, not curiosity about my role
spies4Candy: You PMed me everything
spies4Candy: And I fear no one
spies4Singe: yeah you do
spies4Candy: Whatever!
spies4Singe: i smelled your lie right there
spies4Candy: You are such a MALE
spies4Singe: your lies smell like Taco Bell
spies4Singe: seriously, have you told your trusted circle about my role?
spies4Singe: or too scared to?
spies4Candy: Fuck off
spies4Candy: I'm scared of no one
spies4Singe: no, you really are
spies4Singe: 1) when i die as cit you're a dead girl whether you're cit or spy
spies4Singe: because ill tell this tale of you knowing my role
spies4Singe: and not discussing it with me at all even though i prodded you
spies4Singe: 2) you're scared my role will screw up your plans
spies4Candy: I don't need to discuss it
spies4Candy: What's there to discuss? You're lying, you know it, I know it
spies4Singe: ill protect next episode and force the spies to kill you lol
spies4Candy: Right
spies4Candy: You go ahead and do that
spies4Candy: Mr. Orthodoxy spy
spies4Singe: unless you're the ortho
spies4Singe: and then you'll be forced to kill the one remaining person lol
spies4Singe: sealing your fate
spies4Singe: are you allowed to no-kill?
spies4Singe: that might help you out
spies4Candy: I don't know why I even talk to you anymore
spies4Candy: I thought you had a brain
spies4Singe: i recommend that strategy
spies4Candy: Clearly you don't
spies4Singe: no, im reading you every second
spies4Candy: Shut up
spies4Singe: and you're putting off a stench
spies4Candy: If I go forward with you having a role, who gets imprisoned?
spies4Candy: You or me?
spies4Candy: You keep pushing me and I will
spies4Candy: You are immature and obnoxious
spies4Candy: And if you don't grow up I won't put up with you anymore
spies4Candy: You want ot talk game?
spies4Candy: Fine
spies4Candy: Talk game
spies4Candy: You want to be a jackass?
spies4Candy: Go to an arcade
spies4Singe: You have thus far refused to talk game with me
spies4Candy: I'm so over King Singe
spies4Candy: I talk game with everyone who wants to
spies4Candy: You want to play games
spies4Singe: I have a pleasant surprise for you babe
spies4Singe: ready?
spies4Candy: You're fucking annoying
spies4Singe: ready?
spies4Singe: wait for it
spies4Singe: wait for it
spies4Singe: i'm a confirmed cit
spies4Singe: by investigation
spies4Candy: Whatever
spies4Singe: bad news for you i know
spies4Singe: i can afford to tell you this
spies4Singe: because
spies4Singe: if you are a spy
spies4Singe: you will kill me next impris regardless
spies4Singe: so me keeping that secret to YOU makes no sense
spies4Singe: if you are a CIT
spies4Singe: then now you know i am a confirmed cit
spies4Singe: you just don't know WHO confirmed me
spies4Singe: so now let's talk babe
spies4Singe: (10 seconds pass)
spies4Candy: I'm laughing my ass off
spies4Singe: no, you're not
spies4Candy: Oh yes I am
spies4Singe: you're scared
spies4Candy: You are so overconfident
spies4Singe: candy
spies4Singe: keep in mind
spies4Candy: Mmmm
spies4Singe: when you kill me next impris
spies4Singe: this all comes out as truth
spies4Candy: You start up with that again
spies4Singe: including this conversation
spies4Candy: And I block you for the night
spies4Candy: You talk to me like a normal person
spies4Candy: Or we're through
spies4Singe: OK, I'm a confirmed citizen, and I'm thrilled.
spies4Candy: Great
spies4Singe: I won't tell anyone else cause I don't want to add to my already significant risk of being imprisoned.
spies4Candy: I love it
spies4Singe: what's that?
spies4Candy: What's what?
spies4Singe: what do you love?
spies4Candy: Me
spies4Candy: I LOVE me
spies4Singe: are you denying all possibility that I'm telling the truth?
spies4Singe: is it 50-50?
spies4Candy: I'll never tell
spies4Singe: are you EXCITED at the possibility that you, a cit, might have an ally?
spies4Candy: There you go again
spies4Candy: "Trust me Candy"
spies4Singe: remember, i'm posting ALL of this.
spies4Candy: You should reconsider that
spies4Singe: your reaction will be scrutinized
spies4Candy: SO YOU'RE POSTING THAT YOU HAVE A ROLE AND YOU"RE A CONFIRMED CITIZEN?
spies4Candy: That will be my reaction
spies4Singe: I'll post it right before Impris
spies4Candy: I'll play dumb
spies4Singe: If I still think you're a likely spy
spies4Singe: I am a confirmed Citizen.
spies4Candy: Only so long as your investigator is
spies4Singe: Naw
spies4Candy: That doesn't sound very Singe-like to me
spies4Singe: they have a trusted individual or two
spies4Singe: they cant all 3 be spies
spies4Singe: together
spies4Singe: the odds of them jobbing me on this: infintesimal
spies4Candy: If you say so
spies4Singe: If you are a spy and you choose to off me at Impris
spies4Singe: I'll do my best before I go down to make sure people understand your interactions with me
spies4Singe: If someone ELSE kills me to set you up
spies4Candy: You can try
spies4Singe: You'll still be just as fucked...
spies4Candy: Except I'm not a spy
spies4Candy: So you'll be revealing your role for nothing
spies4Singe: Are you listening?
spies4Candy: I am listening
spies4Candy: And you're raving
spies4Singe: What should I do with my role?
spies4Candy: You're convinced I'm a spy and you have to set yourself up to protect yourself from me
spies4Candy: I'm over it
spies4Singe: No, I'm gauging you.
spies4Singe: What's your take on my role
spies4Candy: You're a horrible judge of character
spies4Candy: And you don't listen or you'd already know what I Think
spies4Singe: Do you think there's a protective role in this game?
spies4Candy: No
spies4Candy: I don't
spies4Singe: So your explanation for "cain has this role he protects more and more each ep"
spies4Singe: is what?
spies4Candy: Spy message
spies4Candy: Means 0
spies4Singe: so i hadnt heard about this spy message
spies4Singe: but somehow i matched it dead on with my claim to gordy
spies4Singe: good job candy
spies4Singe: clearly you havent thought this through
spies4Candy: Hello
spies4Singe: (10 seconds pass)
spies4Candy: You and Bev plan the role together
spies4Candy: Bev leaves
spies4Singe: ok, so that's your theory
spies4Candy: Gives the message to plant the idea in the Priest's head that the role exists
spies4Singe: i am the trad
spies4Candy: Then you claim it
spies4Candy: TO THE PRIEST
spies4Candy: Could this be any more convienient?
spies4Singe: no, i claimed it to gordy
spies4Singe: nice try though
spies4Singe: candy, you're looking reeally bad right now
spies4Singe: i am getting very close to posting all this in the burg
spies4Candy: You're looking like an idiot right now
spies4Singe: my role, my confirmed status
spies4Candy: You think I'm a spy
spies4Candy: No one's tried harder than me to kick spy ass
spies4Singe: you havent thought ANY of this through
spies4Candy: I kicked ass in the group challenge
spies4Candy: I kicked ass in the mole game
spies4Candy: I'm an ass kicker
spies4Candy: And you are begging me to kick your ass
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Candy: You could try talking to me like a normal person
spies4Singe: listen, if you're a spy my days are numbered at like 5
spies4Candy: Maybe then I wouldn't be like "God this jackass is such an arrogant asshole"
spies4Singe: i am talking to the cit candy if there is one
spies4Candy: Your personality alone begs for an ass kicking
spies4Singe: i thought i was speaking your language
spies4Candy: I'm a lady
spies4Candy: Treat me as such
spies4Candy: It worked better for you in the beginning of the game
spies4Singe: you call people morons and assholes left and right
spies4Singe: you're no lady
spies4Candy:
spies4Singe: i admire your tactics
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: you're sloppy and you're showing spy around the edges
spies4Candy: Arrogance
spies4Singe: if you were a cit
spies4Candy: Stop
spies4Candy: I've had enough
spies4Candy: Stop
spies4Singe: you would evaluate my role
spies4Candy: I have told you
spies4Candy: Like 80 times
spies4Candy: NOT to tell me
spies4Candy: "IF YOU WERE A CIT YOU WOULD DO _____"
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: i am telling you my evaluation of you
spies4Singe: not telling you what to do
spies4Candy: You haven't learned
spies4Candy: You don't listen to me
spies4Candy: I shouldn't have to tell you 4 times every convo that I hate it when you do that
spies4Candy: Go piss someone else off
spies4Candy: I'm done with you for tonight
spies4Singe: your annoyance is greater than your curiosity?
spies4Candy: We're done.
spies4Singe: if you were Cit that wouldnt be the case
spies4Singe: *cackles*
spies4Candy signed off at 12:52:22 AM.

[Singe]

spies4Singe: she hasnt voted for an ortho spy yet?
spies4kip: nope
spies4kip: every person shes voted for as come up cit
spies4kip: or trad
spies4kip: except bunni
spies4Singe: ang?
spies4kip: well everyone voted ang
spies4kip: so thats moot
spies4Singe: has anyone else voted an ortho spy yet?
spies4kip: dunno
spies4Singe: lol
spies4kip: that was put there during exile 8
spies4kip: when i first made the list
spies4Singe: you may want to edit it
spies4kip: that part yeah
spies4Singe: for a minute there you had me thinking you might have inside info on the ortho spy list...
spies4kip: i wasnt intending i posting the "extra notes" part
spies4kip: that was just stuff i wanted to add when i figured out what it meant

[Singe]

spies4Singe: the only thing that makes the fatemaker a guaranteed cit
spies4Singe: is the fact that Sam said the schism maker wa a Cit, right?
spies4Masaki: Yes
spies4Singe: i am worried that he misspoke
spies4Singe: because otherwise, that role is a perfect Spy role
spies4Masaki: You mean, you think he meant "chosen by a player" instead of "chosen by a Citizen" ?
spies4Singe: a member of the Burg, yeah
spies4Singe: i am going to paste this into my confessional
spies4Singe: because if candy wins as Ortho
spies4Singe: i will feel so screwed out of the victory

[Singe]

spies4Singe: Hey hot stuff.
spies4Candy: Whatever
spies4Singe: Sorry for stuffing your mailbox, but maybe someday it'll come in handy.
spies4Candy: If exiling Kip confirms you why are you so against it?
spies4Singe: because I am 90% certain Kip is a cit
spies4Singe: I'm more concerned with living through this upcoming Impris
spies4Singe: Cause if I survive that, you survive the next one.
spies4Singe: If I don't, I die at X and you die at XI
spies4Candy: So protect yourself at X
spies4Candy: Why is this so hard/
spies4Singe: I cant self-protect
spies4Candy: YOU DID ONCE
spies4Singe: But I have been considering BLUFFING a one-shot self protect
spies4Candy: Make up your mind about your "special role"
spies4Singe: yeah...
spies4Singe: i had to protect "everyone once each"
spies4Singe: when it got to the last one where i protected all the retards
spies4Singe: i got to add myself to the list
spies4Singe: then it started over
spies4Singe: but i can NEVER protect myself again
spies4Singe: now it's up to 5-6ish each turn
spies4Singe: and can never protect the same person twice in a row
spies4Singe: and I explained the risk v reward, cause if I protect the 6 best Cits
spies4Singe: I will obviously get chosen to get imprisoned over the rest of the tards
spies4Singe: anyhow, I'm here to listen to you
spies4Singe: and your plan for moving forward
spies4Singe: I've given you my suggestions
spies4Candy: So you're targeting Mistaki
spies4Singe: you want to know who I think should be exiled?
spies4Singe: Mistaki or Zander most likely
spies4Singe: Faizah, otherwise
spies4Singe: masaki/zander at odds with each other
spies4Singe: very good chance one or both is a spy, unless that looks like two cits butting heads to you
spies4Singe: faizah, she blows my mind with her refusal to "participate" but she is OBVIOUSLY paying close attention
spies4Singe: Bunni, same, but I've gotten cit vibes off bunni
spies4Candy: Can you protect yourself or not
spies4Singe: NO
spies4Singe: never again
spies4Singe: From your perspective, I imagine the only real concern is that Kip and I are the orthos together
spies4Candy: DUh
spies4Singe: There's pretty much zero chance he's a cit and i'm a spy at this point
spies4Singe: he could be a spy and me a cit
spies4Candy: I strongly think the 2 of you are spies together
spies4Singe: right
spies4Candy: That's why Kip has to go
spies4Singe: well, i understand that from your perspective
spies4Singe: from mine, it is EXTRAORDINARILY unlikely that he is a spy
spies4Singe: well not quite extraordinarily
spies4Candy: If you were a spy you'd defend him this heavily
spies4Singe: you didnt give him much choice
spies4Candy: Because
spies4Candy: If he goes and we find out he's a spy
spies4Singe: right
spies4Candy: You're dead
spies4Singe: BUT
spies4Candy: No buts
spies4Singe: listening
spies4Candy: If he goes and you're a spy I'm getting you out
spies4Candy: I will lead your exile next
spies4Candy: And I will feel GREAT about it
spies4Singe: that's fine
spies4Candy: In fact if he doesn't go
spies4Candy: I still might reveal you
spies4Candy: Because your role is so full of shit
spies4Singe: it's not, Candy
spies4Candy: Right
spies4Candy: Right
spies4Candy: Of ocurse
spies4Candy: Fibbonacci sequence
spies4Candy: Right
spies4Candy: WRONG
spies4Singe: i understand your hesitation... when I got it I was like "this isnt all that helpful"
spies4Singe: random weird protections of blobs of people
spies4Singe: sigh
spies4Singe: so your theory is that kip and I saw the FM question
spies4Singe: and hatched this plan as the most likely way to succeed?
spies4Candy: Yep
spies4Candy: It's clever
spies4Candy: He gets the power
spies4Candy: He secretly investigates me
spies4Candy: Finds out I have a role
spies4Candy: Imprisons me
spies4Candy: And now you and he have "proof" that you have a role
spies4Candy: And oh Candy's not here to say anything about it
spies4Singe: is there a way around that risk?
spies4Candy: It's so smart
spies4Candy: No because
spies4Candy: You wanted Gordy to go to the fatemaker and say "Kip has a role"
spies4Candy: The fatemaker would've revealed herself to you
spies4Singe: i never thought about that possibility, good thinking
spies4Candy: "Great Singe let's work together"
spies4Candy: Giving the spies that investigation was SO SMART
spies4Singe: wait what?
spies4Candy: That's why it's your work
spies4Singe: "spies4Candy: You wanted Gordy to go to the fatemaker and say "Kip has a role""
spies4Candy: Singe
spies4Candy: Whatever
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Candy: So
spies4Candy: In 1 move
spies4Candy: You would have outted the fatemaker
spies4Candy: Confirmed a spy as a citizen
spies4Singe: is there anyone you can trust
spies4Candy: And possibly found a citizen out who has a role
spies4Candy: It was a brilliant plan
spies4Candy: Except you didn't know I was the fatemaker
spies4Candy: And that I'd go public
spies4Candy: HAHA
spies4Singe: candy, that's good thinking
spies4Singe: really good
spies4Singe: but it's not what's going on
spies4Singe: I won't be devastated if Kip goes
spies4Singe: 1) there's a chance he's a spy
spies4Singe: 2) he hasnt been the world's greatest Cit
spies4Singe: 3) the alternatives aren't super clear: masaki/zander
spies4Singe: You'll be around for X
spies4Singe: so this exile, X, then another exile
spies4Candy: Yeah whatever
spies4Candy: You wanted me to let you protect me for imprisonment X
spies4Candy: HAHAHAHAHA
spies4Candy: Nice try
spies4Singe: you have immunity for X
spies4Singe: don't you?
spies4Candy: Because I'm so awesome
spies4Singe:
spies4Candy: But you said "let me protect you for imprisonment X"
spies4Singe: i'll admit to that, you've done well
spies4Singe: yeah i would have if you didnt have immunity
spies4Candy: Except
spies4Candy: I already told you in my post
spies4Candy: That I had immunity for imprisonment x
spies4Candy: You wanted to cover me for imprisonment x
spies4Candy: And go "oops, I didn't see it in your post, I cant' cover your for imprisonment xi"
spies4Singe: i just listed off the five most likely cits
spies4Singe: you were one of them, obviously we wouldnt double protect you
spies4Singe: i am here, warcraft for 45 minutes but ill be able to type, this is important
spies4Singe: rheya
spies4Singe: mistell
spies4Candy: ?
spies4Singe: that was for the game window
spies4Singe: anyhow, keep firing away
spies4Singe: i will answer anything you want and without being a jackass
spies4Singe: i dont need to read you anymore so I can be civil
spies4Candy: Good
spies4Candy: I need you to vote for Kip.
spies4Candy: If he's really a citizen, I can trust you
spies4Candy: I can tell you everything Gordy told me
spies4Candy: I can tell you everything I learned from Bev
spies4Candy: Between the two of us we'll catch the spies
spies4Singe: we would
spies4Candy: The two of us would be unstoppable
spies4Candy: We will win this game
spies4Singe: i am not afraid of what will happen if i'm unconfirmed though
spies4Singe: we WILL be
spies4Candy: I can't trust you until I know you're a citizen
spies4Singe: even though i'll probably die next impris
spies4Candy: You won't
spies4Singe: unless you ace the acting job
spies4Candy: I'll ace the acting job
spies4Singe: that'll be fun
spies4Candy: I'll do whatever you tell me to do
spies4Singe: masaki thinks i was kip's inv
spies4Candy: Summer does too
spies4Singe: ugh
spies4Candy: So does Zander
spies4Singe: ..
spies4Singe: then i'm toast
spies4Candy: You're not
spies4Candy: You're smart, I can act, we will pull this off
spies4Singe: thing is
spies4Singe: who else would they axe?
spies4Candy: Imprison?
spies4Singe: they're after cits with roles
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: hit me
spies4Candy: Whoever you don't protect
spies4Singe: if im a cit with role great
spies4Singe: if im a spy great
spies4Singe: win-win
spies4Candy: I thought I'd be imprisoned in all the earlier rounds
spies4Candy: For "being too helpful"
spies4Candy: You never know what will happen
spies4Singe: you were protected twice
spies4Candy: Once
spies4Singe: once by me once by you
spies4Candy: Keep your lies straight
spies4Candy: I was never immune from imprisonment before
spies4Singe: oh
spies4Singe: nm then
spies4Candy: Singe, imagine the 2 of us working openly and honestly
spies4Singe: i am excited for that, i really am
spies4Candy: So then let's make it happen
spies4Candy: You know I can't trust you unless I know Kip's a citizen
spies4Singe: but it's not worth a bad exile, we only get 3 misses i think
spies4Candy: Do you think we'll fail?
spies4Candy: The two of us working together?
spies4Singe: no, i think we're in the driver's seat
spies4Candy: Then let's do it
spies4Singe: ESPECIALLY if i dont die next impris
spies4Candy: I'll work to make sure you don't
spies4Candy: But the more you say "I can't vote Kip" the more I think you have something to hide
spies4Singe: think about it from my perspective for a sec
spies4Singe: Cit
spies4Candy: You don't know that.
spies4Singe: think about how i would perceive Kip
spies4Candy: He's honest and genuine - seemingly
spies4Candy: But
spies4Candy: Everyone thought Bebe was last game too
spies4Candy: I read the episode 6 stuff from last time
spies4Candy: They all trusted her
spies4Singe: but his actions
spies4Singe: telling me of the inv
spies4Candy: Even Jack who said he needed to exile her
spies4Singe: not pressing me when i told him i HAD NO ROLE
spies4Singe: i told him "dude im a Cit"
spies4Singe: "with no role"
spies4Singe: he just kinda went quiet
spies4Singe: then we discussed sam's wording
spies4Singe: and i said "maybe he meant "Singe's Role is Citizen"
spies4Singe: and he left it at that
spies4Candy: It doesn't matter
spies4Candy: Spies can fake being genuine
spies4Candy: And likeable spies are even harder to exile
spies4Candy: But this needs to happen
spies4Singe: I know you really want to know
spies4Singe: Do you understand why as a Cit I see this as better?
spies4Candy: No
spies4Singe: You sure?
spies4Candy: Because I can't trust you unless Kip goes
spies4Candy: And
spies4Singe: Save an Exile
spies4Candy: If Kip doesn't go, I'll make sure you're imprisoned
spies4Singe: Maybe hit a Spy, instead of 10% chance of hitting a spy
spies4Candy: There's no other option
spies4Singe: ugh
spies4Candy: I strongly think you're a spy
spies4Singe: that's terrible
spies4Candy: Very strongly
spies4Candy: I want you out
spies4Singe:
spies4Candy: Unless Kip is a citizen, you're history either way
spies4Singe: that's a good threat
spies4Candy: It's what I think
spies4Singe: I know
spies4Candy: And I've thought about it a lot
spies4Singe: I didnt think about the Kip inving Candy thing
spies4Candy: I think this plan was very smart
spies4Singe: that's scary
spies4Candy: I think it was your doing
spies4Singe: I can understand your fear of that
spies4Singe: Sec, pulling boss back in 30 secs or 3 minutes
spies4Candy: And I can't let you stay in the game with your fake role claim
spies4Candy: So unless it's proven true, I can't work with you
spies4Candy: And from my point of view, the only reason why you wouldn't work with me is if you were a spy
spies4Singe: WAIt
spies4Singe: WAIT
spies4Singe: WAIT
spies4Singe: I GOT IT
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Candy: I don't care about your WoW game
spies4Singe: moment of brilliance
spies4Singe: who told you about the "fake role" first
spies4Candy: Gordy
spies4Candy: Don't say the message
spies4Singe: and who told him
spies4Candy: Because it was from Bev
spies4Singe: right
spies4Candy: You did
spies4Singe: BEV IS A TRAD
spies4Candy: It makes me think you and Bev planned it ahead of time
spies4Singe: YOU SUSPECT ME OF BEING AN ORTHO
spies4Candy: I don't
spies4Candy: I suspect you of both
spies4Singe: kip and singe working together
spies4Singe: is the only way
spies4Candy: Nope
spies4Candy: 2 Fatemaker nominees
spies4Singe: your plan can be possible
spies4Candy: 1 investigated person
spies4Candy: And we know the spies are working together
spies4Candy: For your plan to work all 3 spies would have to work together
spies4Candy: "if the spies win we all win" am I right?
spies4Singe: sec
spies4Singe: ok continue
spies4Candy: Who are you voting for?
spies4Singe: i had summer but ill change it to zander or faizha
spies4Candy: Wrong
spies4Candy: You are changing it to Kip
spies4Singe: I hope you're gathering data about who's too excited about this Kip thing
spies4Singe: Because when he comes up Cit you'll have some evidence to work with.
spies4Candy: Absolutely
spies4Candy: So who are you voting for?
spies4Singe: Not sure yet.
spies4Candy: Wrong answer.
spies4Singe: I don't respond well to threats.
spies4Candy: It's not a threat
spies4Candy: It's the move that will change the game
spies4Singe: Listen.
spies4Singe: I'm not really worried about dying next Exile.
spies4Singe: Because I'm probably dying next Impris.
spies4Singe: 6 people think I have a Cit role.
spies4Singe: That gets around.
spies4Singe: I can't protect myself.
spies4Singe: I'm going.
spies4Candy: Uh
spies4Candy: So what does this have to do with Kip?
spies4Candy: Just because he investigated you doesn't mean he's a citizen
spies4Candy: In your book he should still be a spy suspect
spies4Singe: The value of me as your confirmed buddy is minimal if I'm dying that soon.
spies4Singe: He is, but not a huge one
spies4Singe: he is bottom 5
spies4Candy: So exile him
spies4Candy: Get rid of a spy suspect
spies4Singe: You know I'm smart.
spies4Singe: I wouldn't bank on this stupid gay ass plan if I were a spy.
spies4Candy: I know you're not as smart as you think you are
spies4Candy: Yes you would
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Candy: because it would label you as a confirmed citizen
spies4Singe: thanks for the vote of confidence
spies4Candy: It's such a smart plan
spies4Candy: I've already said that like 50 times
spies4Candy: The only thing that was wrong with it was that Gordy told me your role and I'm the fatemker
spies4Candy: You didn't count on either happening
spies4Candy: Unless
spies4Candy: Unless you are a citizen
spies4Candy: Then you could vote Kip
spies4Candy: Get it over with
spies4Candy: Work with me
spies4Candy: Win the gme
spies4Singe: I'll work with you, you just wont be able to trust me
spies4Singe: But I can trust you
spies4Candy: You think you're gone at imprisonment X
spies4Singe: That's good enough for me.
spies4Candy: So what does it matter?
spies4Singe: What, exiling Kip?
spies4Singe: what do we get, 5 chances?
spies4Candy: You can have the time between tonight and imprisonment X to plan the next few steps
spies4Singe: we have to hit 3
spies4Candy: Except
spies4Candy: As a spy you're not worried about imprisonment
spies4Candy: You're just worried about exile
spies4Singe: lol not true
spies4Candy: Uh huh
spies4Candy: So tell me
spies4Candy: In all these little role investigations
spies4Candy: Why not investigate you?
spies4Candy: They ignored BOTH you AND me in favor of .... Adelaide?
spies4Candy: Come on
spies4Candy: Do you see why I can't work with you?
spies4Candy: You've given me a million reasons to think you're a spy
spies4Candy: So prove that you're not
spies4Candy: Exile Kip
spies4Singe: I HATE wastes like that
spies4Candy: It's not a waste for me
spies4Singe: if you manage to exile Kip you will understand
spies4Singe: why i resisted this lol
spies4Candy: If I manage to exile Kip
spies4Candy: So you're saying that you don't want to be confirmed to me as a citizen
spies4Candy: That you don't want to work with me to win the game
spies4Candy: because once Kip goes, you're bsuted
spies4Candy: busted
spies4Singe: you're wise to be cautious
spies4Singe: tell me this
spies4Singe: who else thinks it's the right move
spies4Singe: i look forward to the debate after the game
spies4Singe: i dont want to fuck the game up
spies4Candy: I am not telling you anything until I find out what Kip is.
spies4Singe: but i dont want to overvalue this "confirmed" thing vs the value of a lost exile
spies4Candy: Until I find out what Kip is you are my Prime Suspect
spies4Singe: i can trust you
spies4Candy: I can't trust you
spies4Singe: you dont have to tell me shit
spies4Singe: just "vote X, they're a spy"
spies4Candy: Vote Kip
spies4Candy: He's a spy
spies4Singe: he's not lol
spies4Candy: Prove it
spies4Candy: Only one way to find out
spies4Singe: i am currently voting Faizah
spies4Candy: You forget
spies4Candy: That it reveals that Faizah isn't the one who has the role
spies4Candy: Tsk tsk
spies4Singe: hmm?
spies4Candy: You need to do a better job hiding
spies4Singe: oh
spies4Singe: shit
spies4Singe: did you see i dropped a "her" in my post?
spies4Candy: What post?
spies4Singe: " i dont think a spy would have created the plan candy describes, too risky/dangerous
+ i think the person candy ordered kip to inv is more than likely a cit, and it wouldn't surprise me if she has a role"
spies4Singe: for max cover i need to vote masaki or zander
spies4Singe: and i cant vote masaki
spies4Singe: i could go damon
spies4Candy: ... why not Kip?
spies4Singe: odds to me at this point are about 40% for each of damon, faiz, masaki, zander
spies4Singe: 15% for kip, maybe less
spies4Singe: 25% bunni 30% hannah 30% leon
spies4Candy: Vote Kip
spies4Candy: He's a great choice
spies4Candy: I could start dropping hints to Mistaki that you're the role claimer
spies4Candy: He's smart, he'll pick it up
spies4Singe: can i paste the entire kip chat from today to you?
spies4Singe: er PM
spies4Singe: it's HUGE
spies4Candy: Is it a chat with Kip or a chat about Kip?
spies4Singe: sent
spies4Singe: chat with kip, you be the judge
spies4Candy: It sounds boring
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: terribly
spies4Singe: tell me if you think i wasted my day faking that with him
spies4Candy: If the game depended on it?
spies4Candy: You want me to underestimate you?
spies4Singe: like i said, you be the judge
spies4Singe: i will paste you ANYTHING
spies4Singe: from any day
spies4Singe: of the game
spies4Candy: You're prepared for that
spies4Candy: I'm not going to underestimate you
spies4Candy: If I said "Give me a chat with Naomi" or "A chat with Angelica" you'd have it ready
spies4Candy: I would
spies4Singe: im talking everything
spies4Singe: i already dumped a ton of crap
spies4Candy: TMI
spies4Singe: i know
spies4Singe: but ill be dead soon
spies4Candy: Eh?
spies4Candy: You had this chat with him today?
spies4Candy: spies4Singe: can i paste the entire kip chat from today to you?
spies4Candy: spies4Singe: tell me if you think i wasted my day faking that with him
spies4Candy: spies4Singe: i actually think you might be the fatemaker
spies4kip: im not
spies4Candy: That's not from today
spies4Candy: Busted
spies4Singe: sec killing something
spies4Singe: and that's a multi-day chat
spies4Candy is idle at 7:32:20 PM.
spies4Candy is no longer idle at 7:32:21 PM.
spies4Candy signed off at 8:07:22 PM.
spies4Candy signed on at 8:34:56 PM.
spies4Candy: HAHA
spies4Candy: You're FORCED to vote Kip
spies4Candy: HAHA
spies4Candy: Love it love it love it
spies4Candy signed off at

[Singe]

Note: I've listed the reasons why I think Kip is a Cit. I don't want to waste an Exile on him just to confirm me as a Cit so I can die at the next Imprisonment.

I'm tempted to claim my role right now and claim a Doctor role with a one-shot self protect.

[Singe]

spies4Faizah: Do you still want to talk after this?
spies4Singe: yes but i cant right away, not with full attention
spies4Faizah: Right, im just saying later
spies4Singe: if you have something else to multitask on i would love to
spies4Singe: yes definitely
spies4Faizah: ok
spies4Singe: crazy happenings
spies4Singe: masaki sounded VERY Cit while he was about to get Exiled
spies4Singe: i was chatting with him
spies4Faizah: He did to me in IM
spies4Faizah: ecspecially
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Faizah: He thought he was gone
spies4Singe: and he was set up badly
spies4Singe: it seems
spies4Singe: im not POSITIVE
spies4Singe: but it sure seems so
spies4Faizah: who led the whole Masaki thing tonight?
spies4Singe: gordy/candy/zander/summer
spies4Singe: not sure gordy knows what he's doing
spies4Singe: and candy has wanted masaki for ages
spies4Faizah: interesting
spies4Singe: do you think masaki could possibly be a spy right now
spies4Singe: likely? possibly? not likely?
spies4Faizah: I thought so
spies4Faizah: til his interview with me
spies4Singe: interesting
spies4Faizah: He didnt slip up once
spies4Singe: i hope you have a cit role
spies4Singe: you're smart
spies4Singe: and lying low to avoid getting hit
spies4Faizah: Thats a turn around from earlier....
spies4Singe: if you're the fatemaker that would be awesome
spies4Faizah: Im not
spies4Singe: lol ive never said you're not smart
spies4Singe: just that you're too quiet
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: that's only bad if you're a spy lol
spies4Singe: if you're a cit i dont care, especially if you have a role
spies4Singe: so just sayin
spies4Faizah: But since I cant confirm that
spies4Faizah: I guess we are stuck, eh?
spies4Singe: yeah just telling you my hopes
spies4Faizah: I still suspect you
spies4Faizah: now mroe than ever
spies4Singe: but do you understand why as a cit
spies4Faizah: But I hope you can prove me wrong
spies4Singe: trying to understand you and your alignment
spies4Singe: why i want to talk with you more and hear your opinions?
spies4Faizah: Of course, everyone needs to be grilled
spies4Faizah: I am just sick of the way people think I am
spies4Singe: im not trying to be insulting
spies4Faizah: in my head, I think everyone thinks I am the equivalent of Abrams
spies4Singe: i just want to get to know you cause i think i can read people
spies4Faizah: I thought we had a great convo
spies4Singe: naw, you've played a lot more than him
spies4Faizah: then you said I trusted to easily
spies4Faizah: So of course I am not going to be as open with you as I was then
spies4Singe: hey, i meant that a little
spies4Faizah: It scared the shit out of me.
spies4Singe: one way i spot spies is by seeing who trusts too much or too little
spies4Singe: based on available evidence
spies4Singe: candy mistrusts me a little too much
spies4Singe: it's suspicious
spies4Faizah: Because of your ties to Johan?
spies4Singe: even before that
spies4Singe: she has the WORST read on me
spies4Singe: and it feels like she's not TRYING to read
spies4Faizah: Usually I would run to her with info like this
spies4Singe: she's inventing
spies4Faizah: but considering NO ONE filled me in on the Masaki thing
spies4Faizah: I think I will keep it to myself.
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Singe: sec, we're pulling a boss, 3 minutes
spies4Singe: sorry
spies4Faizah: ok
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spies4Singe: hello?

Auto response from spies4Faizah: dog tired.

spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Faizah: hey
spies4Faizah returned at 9:39:32 AM.
spies4Faizah: good mornin
spies4Faizah: Pretty good
spies4Faizah: confused
spies4Faizah: as usual and always
spies4Faizah: I dont know, I trust you too much, remember???
spies4Faizah: Im just trying to figure out why no one IMd me or PMd me about the Masaki vote, when I told Candy and Summer straight out last night to PM me with any developments at anytime, because thats when I was totally blank on who to vote for
spies4Faizah: And eventually, voted for you because I did and do still suspect you......but I thought the vote would be random
spies4Faizah: but that whole Masaki thing is just odd
spies4Faizah: Sure, he is suspicious
spies4Faizah: but that last minute thing is totally weird.
spies4Faizah: Im just trying to figure things out
spies4Faizah: But why would she put her ass on the line like that (knowing the suspicion would be cast on her afterwards) if she didnt have to
spies4Faizah: like, if she was a spy, dont you think she would have let the vote go down however it would
spies4Faizah: But she was in little to no danger
spies4Faizah: Im saying why go out of her way, when she could have just sat back and let it happen as it would have
spies4Faizah: I know she really, reall, REALLY wanted to win Mole last night
spies4Faizah: even IMing me when I was gone for info
spies4Faizah: Did she win?
spies4Faizah: Was she the mole?
spies4Faizah: So she lied to me about that!
spies4Faizah: Even after the friggin game was over (when I was out)
spies4Faizah: dang
spies4Faizah: lol
spies4Faizah: I need to talk to her tonight
spies4Faizah: I dont know
spies4Faizah: Well, I do think her mystery prize was an investigation
spies4Faizah: That much I believe
spies4Faizah: Not if you were a good one.
spies4Faizah: That would be the point!
spies4Faizah: So, in your opinion the two orthos as a combo of Candy/Summer/Hannah
spies4Faizah: is that what you are thinking?
spies4Faizah: Well, she was really worried about impriosnment
spies4Faizah: but a spy would say that to divert to, see EVERYTHING can be turned around.
spies4Faizah: ok, the Leon thing
spies4Faizah: based mainly on the fact that he went to her after you BSd him?
spies4Faizah: Is that what you base it on?
spies4Faizah: prot?
spies4Faizah: Ah protection
spies4Faizah: Lets talk about the Johan thing
spies4Faizah: did you see my latest post about that?
spies4Faizah: Did it make sense?
spies4Faizah: l?
spies4Faizah: Leon?
spies4Faizah: oh, I...i
spies4Faizah: haha
spies4Faizah: I was thinking it was an L
spies4Faizah: Well, did you tell ANYONE about it?
spies4Faizah: including Candy
spies4Faizah: Well, now she has an investigation
spies4Faizah: and possible immunity
spies4Faizah: so what now
spies4Faizah: lol
spies4Faizah: Sam said the points won could be used to buy Investigations and Immunity
spies4Faizah: right
spies4Faizah: thats true
spies4Faizah: Well, work calls Singe
spies4Faizah: I will ttyl
spies4Faizah is away at 10:05:35 AM.
spies4Singe: fucking hell

Auto response from spies4Faizah: workin!

spies4Singe: Candy as confirmed Cit is great, but she's gonna die quick, sadly
spies4Faizah: So we need to re think alot.
spies4Faizah returned at 4:21:09 PM.
spies4Faizah: Im telling you Singe, its gonna be people no one suspects
spies4Faizah: (aside from Kip) like Bunni or Zander
spies4Singe: apparently
spies4Faizah: people completely not suspected, or only slightly at occasisons
spies4Singe: i have a list of five
spies4Faizah: Who are they?
spies4Singe: you, zander, masaki, damon, summer
spies4Singe: top three are masaki zander summer i think
spies4Singe: then damon thetn you
spies4Faizah: I would say......
spies4Faizah: lemme think
spies4Faizah: Its so hard because you have to put personal feelings aside
spies4Singe: i've gotten cit vibes off bunni and to a lesser extent hannah
spies4Faizah: going from gut at this point
spies4Faizah: people like Hannah
spies4Singe: and i agree leon may be too slack to be a spy
spies4Faizah: She clings to people, but still stands out
spies4Faizah: so its the perfect balance
spies4Faizah: Yea, I have completely ruled Leon out in my mind
spies4Faizah: and Abrams for that matter.
spies4Faizah: Summer def
spies4Faizah: Unless it can be proved she knew about Candys role
spies4Faizah: but even then she could still be a spy
spies4Faizah: and you.
spies4Faizah: I still cant rule you out
spies4Faizah: lol
spies4Faizah: I just think to have lasted this long, the remaining spies are really, REALLY good players.
spies4Singe: pretty good
spies4Singe: but they could still be damon bunni summer
spies4Singe: just quieter people
spies4Singe: on the bright side, i am sure that the loudest two people in the game are cits
spies4Faizah: hahaha
spies4Faizah: who is that you and Candy?
spies4Singe: yeah lol
spies4Singe: zander and masaki next loudest i think
spies4Singe: the way they fight
spies4Singe: i doubt they are both spies, what do you think?
spies4Faizah: Nah
spies4Faizah: I dont think they would make it that obvious
spies4Faizah: Could be Trad and Ortho though
spies4Singe: possibly
spies4Faizah: I just dont think from the same spy group
spies4Faizah: Thats too Naomi/Bev-ish at this point
spies4Faizah: you know
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: of the three i have clearedish in my mind
spies4Singe: hannah leon bunni
spies4Singe: do you only really suspect hannah?
spies4Singe: or bunni as well?
spies4Faizah: no
spies4Faizah: Hannah, You, Masaki (Did, then didnt, not unsure after the Candy thing), Damon.
spies4Faizah: Possibly Summer
spies4Faizah: *maybe* Zander if not Masaki
spies4Faizah: Everyone, basically.
spies4Faizah: rofl
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Singe: yeah it's tough
spies4Singe: good thing we didnt axe leon?
spies4Faizah: You know whats funny
spies4Faizah: When I used to playfacebook Mafia, it was like I always wanted inactives out first
spies4Singe: yeah i usually hate em
spies4Faizah: but since you know (alot more than with some other people) that they are innocent....its so wise to keep them in
spies4Faizah: even if they do eventually idle out
spies4Faizah: because you dont have to waste an exile
spies4Singe: i will be very happy if you're a cit, you've been nothing but nice this game
spies4Faizah: haha, where did that come from
spies4Singe: but so have most of the remaining players
spies4Faizah: Its amazing how personal it gets
spies4Faizah: Turbo FB games, you could care less who the people are
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Faizah: but I look at Bunni (for example) and its like "Awwww, Bunni isnt a spy, she is way to nice"
spies4Singe: yeah lol
spies4Singe: i was fooled by emma
spies4Faizah: hell, I never EVER spoke with her
spies4Faizah: Maybe opening night, but nothing after that
spies4Singe: get this:
spies4Singe: "spies4Singe (3:20:48 PM): who do you see as a very likely citspies4Singe (3:21:07 PM): if you had to guess one or twospies4hannah (4:22:03 AM): umspies4hannah (4:22:18 AM): angelica and faizah i thinkspies4Singe (3:21:26 PM): okspies4Singe (3:21:32 PM): how about adelaidespies4Singe (3:21:35 PM): or emmaspies4hannah (4:22:48 AM): not really sure bout adelaide, probly emma"
spies4Faizah: Zander, Me, Bunni, Masaki, Candy, Kip, Hannah, Leon, You, Summer, Damon
spies4Singe: yeah that's it
spies4Singe: getttin LOW lol
spies4Singe: so in that thing i just posted, hannah says both Ang and Emma are likely cits
spies4Singe: i doubt a spy would say their partner as a "very likely cit"
spies4Faizah: Right
spies4Singe: what do you think?
spies4Faizah: when was this?
spies4Singe: especially that early in the game
spies4Faizah: obv pre Emma
spies4Singe: i posted that like oct 20
spies4Faizah: Well I think she also trusts alot (or did anyway) Zander
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Faizah: because those are the 2 that sent me the PM to their "trusted group" which included Bev, to do the surprise vote
spies4Singe: right
spies4Faizah: Its weird with Hannah
spies4Faizah: For a while (pre her joining my family) we talked ALOT and had great convos
spies4Faizah: But its like they suddenly just stopped
spies4Faizah: Kind of like with me and you
spies4Singe: my vacation killed momentum
spies4Singe: and starting work right after, i've been scrambling
spies4Faizah: brb
spies4Singe: k
spies4Faizah is away at 4:48:43 PM.
spies4Faizah: Oh
spies4Faizah returned at 5:36:06 PM.
spies4Faizah: and here:
spies4Faizah: www.biblehelp.org/images/stacks%20of%20money.jpg
spies4Singe: eoe thanks
spies4Singe: wow
spies4Singe: ima hit the bar then the racetrack with that
spies4Faizah: I was showing you the mone!
spies4Faizah: money*
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Faizah is away at 9:23:30 PM.
spies4Faizah signed off at 9:27:02 PM.
spies4Faizah signed on at 9:44:27 AM.
spies4Faizah: Mornin!
spies4Singe: morning
spies4Faizah: whats up
spies4Singe: oof, too much to drink last night
spies4Faizah: Who are you, Zander???
spies4Faizah: lol
spies4Singe: hah that was my first thought too
spies4Faizah:
spies4Singe: I PULLED A ZANDER
spies4Singe: Any new thoughts since last night?
spies4Faizah: I think Kip going is good
spies4Singe: Do you like the "Exile Kip" plan? Think he's a Spy?
spies4Faizah: Well, I think if he is a spy or not, it helps Candy
spies4Faizah: and at this point going with a confirmed cit is better than a somewhat random exile
spies4Faizah: I think
spies4Singe: And we should ask everyone this, just to go on for later:
spies4Singe: Think that's something a Spy would do? Fake their Fatemaker Inv result to try and confirm their spypartner?
spies4Faizah: now what?
spies4Faizah: You mean if she isnt the FateMaker?
spies4Faizah: I think if she wasnt, the real one would have came forward, making Candy a confirmed SPY instead of Cit.
spies4Faizah: Dont you?
spies4Singe: no i believe candy
spies4Singe: but would kip
spies4Singe: fake the result of the inv candy gave him
spies4Singe: to try and confirm whoever he picked?
spies4Faizah: ohhhhhhhhhh
spies4Singe: his spypartner?
spies4Faizah: Well if he is a spy, he could have (and probably did) totally fake it
spies4Singe: thing is though
spies4Singe: let's say he's ortho
spies4Singe: and his partner is leon
spies4Singe: wouldnt it be terribly dangerous to lie and say "I GOT LEON = CIT WITH A ROLE"
spies4Faizah: Yes
spies4Faizah: Well, when he knows his chances of going are as high as anyone else
spies4Faizah: (even before Candy came public with this)
spies4Faizah: wait, so he said Leon has a role?
spies4Faizah: is that posted in Candys post?
spies4Singe: no, he didnt say who
spies4Singe: but if let's say leon dies as a Spy
spies4Singe: then Kip is a dead man
spies4Singe: if KIP dies as a spy
spies4Singe: Leon is a dead man
spies4Faizah: right
spies4Singe: and if Leon doesnt die in the next impris
spies4Singe: then everyone's like "wait he has a role and they didnt kill him?"
spies4Singe: and he dies then kip dies lol
spies4Faizah: but where are you getting the Leon role thing?
spies4Faizah: I know Kip said he knows a cit
spies4Singe: hypothetical
spies4Faizah: but he never gave a name
spies4Faizah: are you just using Leon as example?
spies4Faizah: But we will never know who Kip investigated
spies4Faizah: right?
spies4Singe: candy knows
spies4Singe: if kip dies candy will tell us
spies4Faizah: oh ok
spies4Singe: so the question is, let's say we're 90% sure kip is a cit
spies4Singe: do we still kill him? is there that much of a benefit to confirming one other person for candy?
spies4Faizah: yea, but who the heck is 90% sure he is cit?
spies4Singe: again, theoretical
spies4Singe: at what point does it become a good decision
spies4Singe: to kill him
spies4Faizah: I think now its a good decision
spies4Faizah: I mean, even if he does die, and is a cit...we know his investigation was probably correct
spies4Faizah: and he wouldnt lie about it
spies4Faizah: and if he DOES die, we know pretty much that it is false.
spies4Singe: but we lose a shot at a spy
spies4Singe: and we can only be wrong 3 more times right now
spies4Singe: that would take it down to 2
spies4Faizah: but
spies4Faizah: listen
spies4Faizah: if he goes (either way) we gain valuable info
spies4Faizah: where as if we dont.......we will always have to worry about him like we do Bunni.
spies4Faizah: And right now, who is like a PRIME spy suspect??? There really isnt one that pretty much everyone thinks is.
spies4Singe: true, just masaki
spies4Singe: candy and the smart people who trusted her lol
spies4Singe: all picked masaki
spies4Faizah: but based on what?
spies4Faizah: and why dont we just axe Masaki next exile???
spies4Faizah: I just dont see why you want to keep him
spies4Faizah: lol
spies4Singe: Because the benefit to killing him is minimal
spies4Faizah: how?
spies4Singe: but i agree he's not a cit who's proven to be super valuable
spies4Faizah: it is a gain either way
spies4Faizah: where as keeping him is just an enigma to be solved later down the road.
spies4Faizah: I just dont see it
spies4Singe: keeping ANYONE is an enigma
spies4Faizah: But he has evidence
spies4Singe: sure
spies4Faizah: That will become clear WHEN he is out (spy or citizen)
spies4Singe: i'll add this
spies4Singe: gordy told me who kip inv'ed
spies4Singe: i think it makes sense that THAT person has a cit role
spies4Singe: therefore i trust kip's result
spies4Singe: therefore i KINDA trust kip a little bit more
spies4Faizah: Ok
spies4Faizah: Who is it?
spies4Singe: candy knows
spies4Singe: and isnt telling
spies4Singe: she's confirmed cit
spies4Singe: so ill let her make that call
spies4Faizah: Well but you know once that persons identity is out....
spies4Faizah: they are toast.
spies4Singe: right
spies4Faizah: Thats why I think she is waiting
spies4Singe: that's actually why candy wants another confirmed cit
spies4Singe: if possible
spies4Singe: because then THAT person might get killed instead of her (she's confirmed and will die)
spies4Faizah: Well can you blame her?
spies4Singe: nope
spies4Faizah: brb
spies4Singe: k
spies4Faizah is away at 11:04:35 AM.
spies4Faizah returned at 11:09:25 AM.
spies4Singe: you there?
spies4Singe: good morning
spies4Faizah: hey!
spies4Faizah: for likw 5 minutes.
spies4Faizah: morning!
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: i voted you because i genuinely suspect you
spies4Singe: if you're a Cit we need to talk more
spies4Singe: i just posted something important
spies4Singe: let's talk about it sometime
spies4Faizah: rofl, I havent even looked.
spies4Faizah: ok, just PM it to me and I will answer it when I get off tonight
spies4Faizah: is that good?
spies4Singe: i went to a dueling piano bar last night, so fun
spies4Singe: i posted it in the burg
spies4Singe: you headed to work?
spies4Faizah: And I PROMISE you I am not a spy if thats helps at all.
spies4Faizah: Yea, back to it
spies4Singe:
spies4Faizah: I am not sure about Kip, but I know it will help us either way
spies4Faizah: rather than be unsure about his investigation for 2+ roudns.
spies4Singe: well, read my post
spies4Singe: before you go
spies4Faizah: ok
spies4Singe: it's important, might make you change your vote
spies4Faizah: the Candy Get a Grip one?
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Singe: i explain the role kip's "confirmed cit" has
spies4Faizah: ok
spies4Singe: and why i believe kip's telling the truth
spies4Faizah: lemme read it, and I will be back before votes are due
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Faizah: I will be back in like 3 hours
spies4Singe: take care
spies4Faizah: tty then
spies4Faizah is away at 11:22:31 AM.
spies4Faizah returned at 1:05:54 PM.
spies4Singe: hi
spies4Faizah: Back!
spies4Faizah: so you voted me in the last exile?
spies4Faizah: knowing it would tie???
spies4Singe: i told you that
spies4Faizah: or the revote?
spies4Singe: i cant vote you in the revote
spies4Singe: i have to vote Kip
spies4Faizah: Why did you vote for me if you knew it would tie?
spies4Faizah: Thats weird.
spies4Singe: i didnt
spies4Singe: i had no idea who was voting who, other than a few people
spies4Singe: it's gorgeous outside here, how bout where you are?
spies4Faizah: Yea, but you knew there was a large counter vote that ws voting Masaki
spies4Faizah: so it doesnt make sense why you wouldnt vote him
spies4Faizah: I just cant figure that out.
spies4Singe: he's in my family
spies4Faizah: Ohhhhhhhhh
spies4Faizah: ok.
spies4Singe:
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Faizah: Sorry
spies4Faizah: I forgot about famalies
spies4Singe: not a prob at all
spies4Singe: lot of info to process
spies4Singe: what's up, are you thinking things through?
spies4Singe: you're the deciding vote tonight.
spies4Faizah: He made good points
spies4Faizah: but they can all be turned around
spies4Singe: who, me?
spies4Faizah: no
spies4Faizah: his points
spies4Singe: Sorry, I'm missing something, who's "he"?
spies4Faizah: Kip
spies4Faizah: I was talking to him in IM
spies4Singe: ah
spies4Singe: i just posted a couple more time
spies4Singe: s
spies4Singe: this plan Candy thinks Kip came up with
spies4Singe: makes NO sense from an Ortho perspective
spies4Singe: cause it requires that the last Trad now KNOWS Kip is an Ortho
spies4Singe: and the last Trad also KNOWS the fakedoc is the other ortho
spies4Singe: why would kip make a plan that's suicidal?
spies4Faizah: ugh
spies4Faizah: I still think it could all be BS
spies4Faizah: that AND the fact that we cna use the info either way
spies4Faizah: im voting Kippy
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Faizah: theres too much questions
spies4Singe: not really
spies4Faizah: to me, there are.
spies4Singe: well
spies4Singe: do you agree that if candy's theory is correct
spies4Singe: then the last Trad
spies4Singe: MUST know Kip and the fakedoc are Spies right now?
spies4Faizah: what are you even tlking about the fakedoc?
spies4Singe: the doctor kip claims is out there
spies4Faizah: ok
spies4Singe: the Trads came up with this fakedoc role, according to Candy
spies4Faizah: I still think the role claim thing could be false.
spies4Singe: for it to be false
spies4Singe: the Orthos would have had to expose BOTH their necks to the Trad
spies4Singe: because the Trad KNOWS the claim is fake
spies4Singe: because bev invented it
spies4Singe: kip wasnt even in danger at the time
spies4Singe: no one has voted him or threatened to
spies4Singe: so why would he lie about finding a doc
spies4Singe: knowing that the Trad would IMMEDIATELY know it's a lie?
spies4Singe: and kill Kip next Impris
spies4Faizah: I still think it stinks
spies4Faizah: and helps us either way
spies4Faizah: which I have told you at least 5 times
spies4Faizah: but you dont listen
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Faizah: Do you not see how it will help us even if he is a citizen?
spies4Singe: it helps a little
spies4Faizah: I just want to make sure you understand what I am saying
spies4Singe: but we will also be 9 people remaining with 3 spies
spies4Singe: that is REALLY bad
spies4Faizah: And what if Masaki isnt a spy?
spies4Faizah: That i REALLY BAD too.
spies4Faizah: is*
spies4Singe: true
spies4Singe: which do you think is more likely to be a spy
spies4Singe: are they your top two suspects right now?
spies4Faizah: I dont know about Masaki
spies4Faizah: I do suspect him, but Kip too
spies4Faizah: and you for that matter.
spies4Faizah: Theres no one I dont suspect but Candy.
spies4Singe: which do you suspect more, masaki or kip?
spies4Faizah: And she is the only one who seems to be making since about this exile. in terms of helping us AFTER it.
spies4Faizah: Masaki, but like I have said, said, said, and said....it helps us more to exile Kip either way.
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: got it

[Singe]

spies4Singe: Hi Candy.
spies4Singe: Congrats on surviving another Exile
spies4Candy: Shut up
spies4Singe: This one wasn't so tough though, I imagine it'll be smooth sailing for you til you're imprissed
spies4Singe: Or until that LAST exile when it's you and two spies
spies4Singe: So what's up?
spies4Candy: I love that you're stuck voting Kip
spies4Candy: It's delicious
spies4Singe: Apparently you're still wrongheadedly convinced that I'm bullshitting you.
spies4Singe: Oh, whatever, like you said, the downside isnt THAT terrible, we just have to nail the last set of exiles
spies4Singe: I would have liked the room for error but you clearly cant proceed til you know my alignment lol
spies4Candy: I've made this extremely clear
spies4Singe: It'll be a pleasant surprise for you, unless Kip somehow comes up Spy
spies4Singe: made what clear?
spies4Candy: What you posted
spies4Candy: And what you told me
spies4Candy: Are entirely different
spies4Candy: And I have no problem posting everything you've told me
spies4Candy: You had no reason to lie to a confirmed citizen
spies4Singe: Candy...
spies4Singe: I told you the truth
spies4Singe: I just lied in that post
spies4Singe: Think about it
spies4Singe: I am setting up the ability to claim a self protect
spies4Candy: No
spies4Candy: Why would you lie in the post?
spies4Singe: So the spies dont impris me next impris
spies4Candy: You are lying so they don't want to exile Kip
spies4Singe: i will ask "the doctor" to protect me
spies4Singe: candy
spies4Singe: kip is DONE
spies4Singe: you, me, summer, hannah arent changing
spies4Singe: masaki's not changing
spies4Singe: faizah probably wont change
spies4Singe: that's 6-5 at worst and i think i'm missing one kip vote
spies4Singe: zander, bunni, leon, kip, damon voted masaki
spies4Singe: i guess it's up to faizah then
spies4Singe: unless one of your girls comes to their sense
spies4Singe: s
spies4Singe: explain something to me... why do you want me out if I'm a confirmed Cit to you?
spies4Singe: that's kinda... retarded
spies4Candy: Because you're not
spies4Candy: You're a spy
spies4Candy: And exiling Kip will prove it
spies4Singe: oh god you're blowing this
spies4Singe: "The details this "confirmed citizen" told me are WAY different.

This is NOT the role I was told."
spies4Candy: You are not getting away with this
spies4Candy: I will out you
spies4Singe: candy
spies4Singe: you're being blockheaded
spies4Singe: did you even read (5)?
spies4Singe: 5) AND THIS IS THE BIG ONE -- If the protector is lying about being able to protect, the Spies KNOW they're lying. The enemy Spy/Spies would IMMEDIATELY know Kip is lying and kill him and then the "protector".
spies4Candy: No
spies4Candy: They would get out Mistaki
spies4Candy: And unleash me on Kip again
spies4Singe: huh?
spies4Singe: the point is, if your "theory" is correct
spies4Singe: the other spy team knows Kip is a spy now
spies4Singe: and they'd also know that i'm a spy, which im not
spies4Singe: why would i put together a plan that exposes me and my partner to the other spy team lol
spies4Singe: THINK
spies4Singe: and i dont say that patronizingly
spies4Candy: Yes you do
spies4Singe: no, i want you to make the right call
spies4Candy: You probably all already exposed yourselves
spies4Candy: I really think the 3 of you - Kip, you and Bunni are working together even though 1 of you is on a different side
spies4Singe: lol, so the spies will decide endgame by rock paper scissors?
spies4Singe: or coinflip?
spies4Singe: candy... take the time to think this through fully
spies4Singe: read my posts and ask me questions
spies4Singe: you will be glad you did later
spies4Singe: and whatever you do, don't blow the long-term plan before this Exile.
spies4Singe: the plan is that I "protect myself" at next impris, discouraging the spies from targeting me
spies4Singe: you're immune
spies4Singe: then we exile a spy
spies4Singe: then at NEXT impris I can actually do a REAL protect on you and anyone else we know is a Cit
spies4Singe: which impris is coming up?
spies4Candy: X
spies4Singe: no
spies4Singe: which team
spies4Candy: Orthodoxy
spies4Singe: k
spies4Singe: What are your thoughts?
spies4Candy: I want to know why you didn't vote Kip.
spies4Singe: Because I think he's a Cit.
spies4Singe: And we only get to screw up three times
spies4Singe: And after this is resolved it'll be what nine of us?
spies4Singe: Candy, seriously, if Kip is a Cit we're down to 9 people with 3 spies in there
spies4Candy: And if Kip is a spy, you go free
spies4Candy: I'd rather take the chance of being WRONG on a STRONG suspect than let a strong suspect go free
spies4Singe: did you read my argument
spies4Candy: Yeah
spies4Candy: And it's full of assumptions
spies4Singe: So you're saying
spies4Singe: That the Trad knows Kip is a spy now, right?
spies4Singe: That is a requirement of your theory
spies4Singe: Bev made the fakeclaim up
spies4Singe: The orthos decided to use it
spies4Singe: Bev's partner now KNOWS Kip is a spy
spies4Singe: an ortho
spies4Singe: and bev's partner (the last trad) KNOWS the fakedoc is the other ortho
spies4Singe: GAME OVER ORTHOS
spies4Singe: it's just NOT realistic
spies4Singe: especially considering Kip wasnt even remotely at risk
spies4Singe: and I wasnt either
spies4Singe: why would we expose BOTH of us to the last Trad?
spies4Singe: are you done tallking this through with me?
spies4Candy: Yep
spies4Singe: I want to go for a run but this is really important
spies4Candy: Go run
spies4Singe: ok, any more questions for me?
spies4Singe: i'll be back in 45
spies4Candy: I didn't have any questions for you
spies4Candy: So I don't have "more" questions
spies4Candy: Just go
spies4Singe: "spies4Candy: I want to know why you didn't vote Kip."
spies4Candy: It was metaphorical
spies4Candy: You didn't vote Kip because you're a spy
spies4Singe: i look forward to you getting shit for this after the game
spies4Singe: i only hope it doesnt cost us the game
spies4Candy: Me too!
spies4Singe: and yeah on the bbright side you'll have a nice little chuckle when you realize my alignment
spies4Candy: OK!
spies4Singe: you'll have to help me decide whether or not to go public that I am the Doc
spies4Singe: I'll need to somehow get across the point that I'm protecting myself, or that the doc out there is protecting me
spies4Candy: OK!
spies4Singe: so the Orthos dont target me and then i protect you the next turn and I die
spies4Singe: OK!
spies4Singe: BUH BYE
spies4Singe: "9: No one (i didnt have time to make an intelligent choice so i protected no one)"
spies4Singe: this was dumb of you to post
spies4Singe: good job

[Singe]

spies4hannah: yes, ask me anything u want, i will answer it
spies4hannah: somewhat
spies4hannah: not so much anymorw
spies4hannah: *anymore
spies4hannah: no
spies4hannah: we did not even discuss his exile
spies4hannah: well actually....hmmm. Can i show u a PM, but if u make it public, can u swear u wont say who u got it from? Cos it was a generic one she sent to a few ppl?
spies4hannah: ]okay hang on i'll get it
spies4hannah: well I swear i am a cit, and am starting to feel a little frustrated with candy and summer. but let me get u the mesage
spies4hannah: this is what we got first
spies4hannah: Exile 8 Coordination
« Message sent on Nov 11, 2007, 12:02am »


I'm sending this message out to the people I trust and almost-trust. I am not revealing names at this time.

Noone else but you knows you're receiving this message. I ask that youdon't reveal to anyone - ANYONE - that you received this message. Ialso ask that you don't reveal what I'm about to say to anyone becausewhen more people know, the chances are it won't work.

There are enough of you that we have a strong voting block. So let's unite and take out a spy.

Who? My suspicions lie heavily on Masaki and Cain. I strongly believe they are both spies.

I want you to do 3 things:

1. Tell me if you're okay with voting Masaki and Cain, and why or why not.
2. Vote for Masaki in your confessional.
3.Keep in touch throughout the day. If enough of you disagree and thinkthe votes should go for Cain, I'll PM everyone and we'll switch.
spies4hannah: then this
spies4hannah: Change to Cain
« Message sent on Nov 11, 2007, 1:45pm »


I've talked to all of you but one and the consensus is nearly unanimous. Cain's out tonight. Change to Cain.
spies4hannah: thats as far as the discussion went
spies4hannah: because candfy is starting to look more and more suspicious, and yes that could be a frame up i dont know, but summer is convinced we can trust candy 100%, or she seems to be. and u cant trust ANYONE 100% in this game.
spies4hannah: i also dont like feeling like i have an obligation to vote with them.
spies4hannah: no not today
spies4hannah: because i decided on masaki before she asked me to vote him
spies4hannah: i just feel generally obligated
spies4hannah: umm. "trying" how?
spies4hannah: i dont know, i think so.
spies4hannah: OR it could be that she trusts candy so much, and candy seems to trust me and zander, and thus be association she trusts us
spies4hannah: yes i suppose
spies4hannah: thats why i showed u that message
spies4hannah: i suppose so yes. No i dont trust ANYONE 100% asi said
spies4hannah: no, i am presuming it will be masaki again unless she thinks that a blindside is a good idea. I personally will prob still vote masaki, unless new evidence on anyone comes to light.
spies4hannah: yes alright. But as i said i have told masaki i suspect him days ago
spies4hannah: thats the first time ive heard of it
spies4hannah: in terms of? the tight 4? summer and candy could easily be the last ortho spis, candy could easily be a spy on her own, as could masaki.
spies4hannah: the idea of immuning more and more ppl seems a little farfetched to me
spies4hannah: well we all have to remember that gordy can and IS all over the place. for example, he told me he had investigated me and was 100% cleared, then he went and told candy that actually he had only invd me as a trad and i had come up clear. Then he sent us a message before his imprisonment with a picture in it with a thumbs up next to me ralph and zander, but when we asked him about it, he said he was only guessing on zander and that he wasnt 100% cleared. All over the place no?
spies4hannah: yes
spies4hannah: i just would be interested to know where he came by such a list
spies4hannah: if i had known of her role, probably. if not, then no
spies4hannah: but why would spies themselves be on the list...? i dont get it
spies4hannah: ortho spies if the orthos are imprsioning
spies4hannah: ie. why would there be ortho spies on the list if the orthos are imprsioing?
spies4hannah: well candy is NOT a trad spy, theres no way, and ur argument is that she is an ortho spy. but she is on the list...
spies4hannah: thus it seems flawed? or am i missing something?
spies4hannah: but how?
spies4hannah: hmmm okay i suppose it makes sense. But what if cain saved a spy who he thought was a citizen? how long would they be saved for? see why it seems farfetched
spies4hannah: thanks good night singe
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spies4Singe: hi hannah
spies4hannah signed off at 1:14:42 PM.

[Singe]

spies4Damon: Hey. I'm seeing all the drama. What ended p happening last night?
spies4Singe: Abrams idled out
spies4Singe: otherwise masaki would have been exiled i believe
spies4Singe: vote count:
spies4Singe: Leon (11): Kip, Damon, Singe, Bunni, Masaki (+ 6PENALTY)
Masaki (8) : Zander, Candy, Hannah, Summer, Gordy (+3 ACCUSATION)
Singe (1) : Faizah

Not voting: Leon
spies4Damon: But Sam removed Abrams instead?
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Damon: Ok because I was reading everything and was confused as fuck. Abrams was Cit, naturally?
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Damon: Thanks for the clarification.
spies4Singe: ill post the chat
spies4Damon: At least they wasted their accusations now.
spies4Singe: well, it's POSSIBLE they were right
spies4Singe: but the way they went about it was TERRIBLE
spies4Damon: Agreed
spies4Damon: I'll make my points when I get to work. Got to get ready for it now though.
spies4Damon: Work I mean.
spies4Singe: ok Damon
spies4Singe: thanks for checking in
spies4Singe: havea good day
spies4Damon: So much for getting away clean. Here's Candy.
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Damon: My God she can be a bitch.
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Singe: what now?
spies4Damon: Not even worth repeating. I have the holier than thou attitude of entitlement though.
spies4Damon: Off to work. Have a good night Singe.
spies4Singe: nite
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spies4damon: Hi Singe
spies4damon: Got stupid AIM working.
spies4damon: My best guess at the moment is likely that Candy/Leon could be the Ortho pairing.
spies4damon: It's obvious.
spies4damon: Why else would she instruct people to vote Masaki? To protect him.
spies4damon: Perhaps thats a problem but I'm fairly convinced, beyond reasonable doubt, that Candy is a Spy.
spies4damon: Maybe I'm actually searchig for evidence and grasping it because I'm so intently focused on Candy but if she turns out to be a Cit I'll be dissapointed.
spies4damon: In myself, I mean, but I've got myself convinced she's a Spy.
spies4damon: I love your detailed posts.
spies4damon: When you shake my shell enough?
spies4damon: Literally as well as figuratively. I think I have a cold.
spies4damon: What is.. debunked?
spies4damon: OK thank you :-)
spies4damon: I can't quite think of what to say in response. You covered most everything. I could quote things I've said in other threads but that wouldn't be that helpful.
spies4damon: But the end result is I agree with the post and I have since stupid Exile II ;-)
spies4damon: First. The evidence is becominga huge pile against her. Second. Even if she is a Cit she's one who thinks she's the only one with the right opinion and she won't listen to reason and goes only on her own instincts and has enough sway to make others follow. That's NOT helpful.
spies4damon: I can't explain how dissapointed I was to see that they had resorted to Accusations to circumvent the public decision to Exile Leon.
spies4damon: I can't blame Zander for his vote. At least he was honest. The attempt blindside was pathetic.
spies4damon: When in doubt - go to the Observation Thread. I'll pick up some Candy thing sfrom there to share.
spies4damon: That's how I'm thinking.
spies4damon: At all. Itw as their way or the freeway
spies4damon: I don't think this has a place in the actual discussion but it's something that jumped out to me a little bit ago and I wanted to point it out to you.
spies4damon: In 'The Cain train....again' Candy posted (Reply #1) this: "Go to Cain's "Just Like to Say" thread. He faked his convo." - this is part of your arguement
spies4damon: Then you replied.. (#2) and said: "That's an awfully bold statement. When you and I went over it this afternoon, I could have sworn your conclusion was "might have been fake"."
spies4damon: She was almost too willing to believe the worst of Cain, as she is with Masaki, but the difference is that she actively hunted Cain throughout that Episode and was out in the open. Why the sudden change to shadow strategizing?
spies4damon: I commented in my Observation Thread that I had to question her DESIRE to hunt cain.
spies4damon: What bothers me is she'll never admit she's in the wrong.
spies4damon: Exactly
spies4damon: And her excuse now is what? She didn't belive the role?
spies4damon: Because he was her slave voter?
spies4damon: Like half of the cast.
spies4damon: I'm sure it'll be another load of rubbish.
spies4damon: It's hard to seperate them from each other and their special alliance. Simply because they're all peons and pawns of Candy and rarely listen to reason or participate in discussion.
spies4damon: At least open discussion.
spies4damon: How can you be so certain of such a large group of people? I don't understand why they;re cofortable lockin themselves away with 4 people when there are sitll 3 spies in the game. You can never be THAT certain of that many people.
spies4damon: Rubbish answeR?
spies4damon: I bet they answerd yes.
spies4damon: LOL
spies4damon: They're viewin the world through rose colored glasses.
spies4damon: Making Summer and Candy thel ikely Spies.
spies4damon: I can see that.
spies4damon: I wouldn't write off Hannah that easly but Summer does seem a bit more likely than the rest. They all have suspicions on them.
spies4damon: What do you think will be the likely outcome of the next Exile? I'm gone Sat/Sun.
spies4damon: Tomorrow is Saturday :-(
spies4damon: You think Faizah would vote with us?
spies4damon: Since when?
spies4damon: Glad to hear it.
spies4damon: I'm not convinced this block is without Spies but I do believe the other has at least 2. Better chances over here.
spies4damon: Too much of a sheep role.
spies4damon: I just needed to speak more.
spies4damon: My open desire in a non single minded way? Thanks
spies4damon: Now that I've figured out how to get AIM at work this will be a far more successful bid for activity.
spies4damon: I don;t need to manipulate. If I see something I'll share it.
spies4damon: They like me. Wouldn't fire me over a little AIM.
spies4damon: Flip? Her vote?
spies4damon: An Ortho Role?
spies4damon: It's likely.
spies4damon: It won't be pretty, this round, I think.
spies4damon: Gordy will likely vote wit htheir block?
spies4damon: I think we should encourage the dissenters to join in discussion. The more minds the better. The more discussion the more likely it is a Spy slips up.
spies4damon: That would be helpful.
spies4damon: IF Candy is the Spy the next one from the Orthos is likely in her group of followers.
spies4damon: I don't think that the other Ortho would be Kip, Masaki, myself or you.
spies4damon: Just from our interactions. Few as they are.
spies4damon: Me neither.
spies4damon: And not just because the same reflects on old Damon ;-)
spies4damon: Exactly
spies4damon: That's what I have been saying.
spies4damon: When you came after me, or when Naomi did, I was quick to get my responses out.
spies4damon: Zander seems to think that was Gordy's last round. Good. He wasn't at all helpful.
spies4damon: At least according to his away message.
spies4damon: Did you see Candy's reponses to my thread about the Kool-Aid, though? It was the same "Deal with it" and "whatever" attitude you've mentioned she exhibits when she can't quite calculate a proper response.
spies4damon: Where did that just come from?
spies4damon: I see.
spies4damon: Well if it wasn't common knowledge I was in Europe it now is. haha
spies4damon: Actually. Was it?
spies4damon: I know I've told you and Kip.
spies4damon: I'm going to grab lunch. Will see you later?
spies4damon: Hopefully not too soon. You should get some sleep.
spies4damon: :-)
spies4damon: Take care.
spies4damon: Vaarwel :-)
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spies4damon: I'm back.
spies4damon: Having fun? Is she on AIM or just the board? And don't you sleep?
spies4damon: Great white?
spies4damon: There is something about being on the hunt that makes you want to stick around and watch the conclusion.
spies4damon: Like what?
spies4damon: I'm patient.
spies4damon: Now you've got my interest.
spies4damon: She's telling me that she also thinks one of Summer/Zander/Candy is a Spy.
spies4damon: I can't tell if she's trying to say things I want to hear though.
spies4damon: Hannah or Candy?
spies4damon: Did you ask her?
spies4damon: She's still talking to me.
spies4damon: Do you think she meant why would the suspected spies (like Candy) be on that list?
spies4damon: But it is suspicious.
spies4damon: It's time for you to sleep.
spies4damon: I'll work on it. Work caught up to me though.
spies4damon: Weltrusten.....goodnight
spies4damon: That's for you to find out after the game :-)
spies4damon: I'm impressed you picked up on the Dutch
spies4damon: We'll have to share a conversation later.
spies4damon: Dag
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spies4damon: I thought you went to bed?
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spies4Singe: well, damon, big news lol
spies4damon: What's the news?
spies4damon: I just got home.
spies4Singe: Candy claimed Fatemeker
spies4Singe: read her post
spies4damon: Why am I not inclined to believe her?
spies4Singe: we have no choice it seems
spies4Singe: gordy brokered it all
spies4damon: Now what?
spies4Singe: we listen
spies4Singe: and reevaluate
spies4damon: I have to vote tomorrow morning before I leave.
spies4Singe: the kip vote is a rough one
spies4Singe: because i dont see him as a spy
spies4damon: Wait? Kip??
spies4damon: Since when?
spies4Singe: yeah candy's post explains it
spies4damon: I
spies4damon: I'm still working my way there.
spies4Singe: kip claims to know a confirmed citizen
spies4Singe: candy wants to know if kip's a spy
spies4Singe: who's lying
spies4damon: BRB until I'm done reading.
spies4Singe: k
spies4damon: Why Kip?
spies4damon: I can't vote him, he's my brother, and I'm fairly convinced he's a Cit.
spies4Singe: The argument is that Kip's death either confirms a Cit
spies4Singe: or gives us two spies
spies4damon: Two spies?
spies4Singe: kip plus the person he's lying about
spies4damon: Who is the person?
spies4Singe: the person named in the coded message kip posted
spies4damon: I gathered as much.
spies4damon: Kip isn't that dumb.
spies4Singe: i would tend to agree
spies4damon: To risk himself and another Spy
spies4damon: I don't want to play Candy's game where we vote someone out on a whim to satisfy her theories.
spies4damon: BRB While I pack for my holiday. I need time to think too lol
spies4Singe: ok
spies4damon: Ok. Round 1: Damon vs. Daypack - Daypack wins.
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: FIGHT
spies4damon: I'd put my money on the Daypack. It's a mean one.
spies4Singe: looks like bunni doesnt want kip out either
spies4damon: Who is a more reasonable target? Because I don't believe Kip is a Spy and I'm not voting for him just to solve Candy's theory.
spies4Singe: i am ordering suspects
spies4Singe: i guess masaki is high now
spies4damon: spies4Summer: Bunni's post is giving me a headache
spies4Summer: If I wasn't voting Kip, I'd vote for her
spies4Damon: I thought you werern't sure you were voting for Kip.
spies4damon: You're high on my list still lol
spies4damon: I really hope someone Imprisons Candy next. I'd hate to lose the Fatemaker but we'll lose the person who has this game by the balls.
spies4Singe: lol
spies4damon: Did Kip give Candy the code to his Post?
spies4Singe: gordy did, she says
spies4damon: I don't understand why he would encode a post, give the code to a few people, and then make that post be fake to begin with. None of it makes sense from either the POV of a Cit (to be lying) or a spy.
spies4Singe: i tend to agree
spies4damon: I think I'm just going to have to sleep on it and hope that something happens over night to make everything make sense again.
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Singe: i cant believe all that last night was for nada
spies4Singe: not quite nada, got some data on hannah and summer
spies4damon: That's true.
spies4damon: Keep me in the loop?
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Singe: will do
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spies4damon: Ok.. in 10 minutes or less.. what's the latest in the game?
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[Singe]

spies4Singe: busy?
spies4Summer: Not really
spies4Singe: got any questions or thoughts?
spies4Singe: you're kinda quiet
spies4Summer: Yes I know
spies4Summer: Sorry if it's making you uncomfortable
spies4Singe: no, i just want to bounce ideas around
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spies4Singe: Who are you voting for?
spies4Singe: and hi
spies4Singe: sorry, im a bit distracted, Warcraft
spies4Singe: Hey, don't like the question?
spies4Singe: Summer, can you please answer my question?
spies4Summer: Hi I'm back
spies4Summer: I voted for Masaki.
spies4Singe: OK
spies4Singe: Thanks.
spies4Singe: you there?
spies4Summer: Yes
spies4Singe: hi.
spies4Singe: late night for you?
spies4Summer: I guess so
spies4Summer: There's a lot to work out
spies4Singe: Yeah.
spies4Singe: Am I crazy, or shouldn't you four have tried to convince us five of Masaki's guilt
spies4Singe: rather than railroad him with accusations?
spies4Singe: you subverted majority will
spies4Summer: Yes because majority will was wrong
spies4Singe: and you're 100% sure of that
spies4Summer: No
spies4Summer: But I am fairly sure
spies4Singe: and you didnt want to feel out my suspicions
spies4Summer: He got self votes for not voting
spies4Summer: He got self votes for not posting convos
spies4Singe: to see if i'm a spy or not
spies4Summer: He risked penalty votes for not doing his interviews
spies4Singe: you didnt test my opinions on masaki at ALL
spies4Singe: and neither did candy or hannah
spies4Singe: only Zander did
spies4Summer: Feel out your suspicions?
spies4Singe: yeah do you know how I feel about Masaki?
spies4Summer: I voted for Masaki 8 minutes before votes were due
spies4Singe: do you know if my opinions are rational and/or supported?
spies4Singe: why'd you do that?
spies4Summer: Because it became clear to me that voting Leon was the wrong move
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Summer: So I changed
spies4Singe: i understand the logic
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: dont you agree it's weird
spies4Singe: that candy hannah NEVER told me that logic
spies4Singe: tried to persuade
spies4Summer: What logic?
spies4Singe: the "leon is lazy and not trying, not likely a spy"
spies4Summer: Look
spies4Summer: If she had realized this earlier, she would have made her moves earlier
spies4Summer: She would nto have told me to change my vote 8 minutes before votes were due
spies4Singe: OK let me go at this a different way
spies4Singe: Do you think all three spies were on Leon?
spies4Summer: The Leon votes were you, Masaki, Damon, Bunni, and Kip
spies4Singe: yes
spies4Singe: i have town reads on FOUR of those
spies4Singe: 3 plus me
spies4Singe: damon is sketchy
spies4Summer: Angelica said Damon was sketchy
spies4Summer: She said vote for him
spies4Singe: so he's not an ortho
spies4Summer: He's on the Traditonalist spy list but not the Orthodoxy, to me
spies4Singe: i recall that
spies4Summer: You still aren't cleared to me and neither is Bunni or Masaki
spies4Singe: it's on the list
spies4Singe: not cleared, of course
spies4Singe: but
spies4Summer: But do I think 3 of the 5 of you are the spies?
spies4Singe: do you think a spy or two joined you on Masaki
spies4Summer: I think at least 1 or 2 wanted an easy exile
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Summer: Maybe there are on both sides
spies4Singe: did you make an effort to find out who the spies were on Masaki?
spies4Singe: you obviously trust candy, she's off your table
spies4Singe: she trusts zander
spies4Singe: hannah trusts candy
spies4Summer: I'm not sure who she trusts anymore
spies4Singe: something's not right there
spies4Summer: I suspected she trusted Johan and Abrams
spies4Summer: She discussed the distribution of prizes in exile 2
spies4Summer: Neither were interested at all in the mystery prize
spies4Summer: And they have both been cleared as citizens
spies4Summer: Other than that, I go into speculation
spies4Singe: if Masaki comes up cit
spies4Singe: how will your opinions change
spies4Summer: You're asking me to ignore one side in favor of the other
spies4Summer: 5 people voted for someone who was completely inactive
spies4Summer: I'm not ignoring that
spies4Summer: If Masaki comes up as a citizen I will suspect that the spies split their votes
spies4Summer: I will suspect Zander a little more
spies4Summer: But I'm not taking sides
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: does candy trust you as much as you trust her?
spies4Summer: I haven't asked
spies4Summer: I don't ask peopel how much they trust me
spies4Singe: what's your take
spies4Singe: that's odd
spies4Summer: There's nothing odd about it.
spies4Singe: what's your spycatching strategy?
spies4Singe: what do you look for?
spies4Summer signed off at 12:53:50 AM.
spies4Summer signed on at 3:28:52 PM.
spies4Singe: fascinating.
spies4Singe: did you know?
spies4Singe: it would explain a lot.
spies4Summer: I didn't know
spies4Summer: And I don't really feel like talking to you right now
spies4Summer: I'm sorry
spies4Singe: that's understandable
spies4Summer: Talk to you later.
spies4Singe: bye
spies4Summer signed off at 4:28:40 PM.
spies4Summer signed on at 12:33:41 PM.
spies4Summer: Hello Singe
spies4Singe: Hi Summer, still mad at me? I wouldn't blame you
spies4Summer: I've calmed down
spies4Singe: Wanna discuss gamestate?
spies4Summer: Yes please
spies4Singe: What are your thoughts in general?
spies4Summer: I'm a little hesitant to exile Kip simply because I don't think he's a spy, but I am also at the same time aware that it's an important game move
spies4Singe: I've thought all along Candy was a possible Cit and so half of my head has been prepared for this situation.
spies4Singe: The other half of my head's in shock that she's not a spy
spies4Summer: Well you said if both of us turned out to be citizens you'd be surprised
spies4Summer: Surprise!
spies4Singe:
spies4Singe: Think all our initial family were Cits?
spies4Summer: To be determined
spies4Summer: Kip wasn't supposed to be in it
spies4Summer: It was supposed to be you, me, Kiyoshi, and Sherri
spies4Singe: ah yeah
spies4Singe: ok so
spies4Singe: the kip issue
spies4Singe: I agree, i doubt he's a spy
spies4Singe: reasons for that before i move forward
spies4Singe: 1) if a spy got that inv from FM
spies4Singe: why tell the result
spies4Summer: He hasn't gone public with it
spies4Singe: and why lie and say your spy partner is a confirmed cit with a role
spies4Summer: But he would have been forced to tell the Fatemaker because of Gordy
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: here's the thing
spies4Singe: hypothetical: kip knows leon's a cit with a role
spies4Singe: if he's a spy and leon's a spy
spies4Singe: that's a suicidal lie
spies4Summer: No, it's actually very clever
spies4Singe: the moment one comes up spy the team's dead
spies4Summer: The fatemaker would never dare to exile Leon
spies4Singe: and the other spy team would shoot for confirmedcit leonspywithrole
spies4Summer: Yes
spies4Singe: leon dies as spy
spies4Singe: kip dies
spies4Summer: But if the Fatemaker thinks that Leon is a citizen with a role, she would never exile Leon
spies4Singe: TERRIBLE plan
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: spies have been nailing cits with roles
spies4Singe: if leon doesnt die right off
spies4Singe: SUSPICION
spies4Summer: The spies would have to find out about Leon first
spies4Summer: Candy's still here
spies4Summer: Clearly the spies didn't know about her
spies4Summer: (One of the reasons why I think they're playing a horrible game)
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Singe: cause she was an obvious fatemaker?
spies4Singe: i didnt know, but then again i never looked for the FM
spies4Summer: No, because stronger players are greater threats than people with roles
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: johan was a terrible kill
spies4Summer: You and Candy are still here, and Johan is not
spies4Singe: if you made that kill i'll be impreswsed
spies4Singe: cause it'd be a total headfake
spies4Singe: i cant tell you how glad i am that candy is confirmed
spies4Summer: Why can't you tell me?
spies4Singe: not knowing her alignment drove me INSANE
spies4Summer: Yes, I suppose so
spies4Summer: She was never really on my suspect list
spies4Summer: She made all the right votes
spies4Summer: She's dominated this game
spies4Singe: she always seemed to be avoiding my questions
spies4Singe: which only makes sense NOW of course
spies4Summer: She can be evasive
spies4Summer: But when she wants you to know something, she makes it very clear
spies4Singe: i kicked myself for not realizing why she wouldnt answer certain things
spies4Singe: cause it all makes damned sense now
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: confirmed or not she's still not perfect
spies4Summer: None of us are
spies4Singe: i think she's wrong about kip and his target
spies4Summer: I voted Lloyd in exile 1
spies4Summer: Clearly that was a mistake
spies4Singe: i was wrong on ralph, emma, martha
spies4Summer: Well, I didn't vote for Martha and I couldn't vote for Kiyoshi (and I didn't want to)
spies4Summer: All 6 Kiyoshi voters were citizens
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Summer: Keep going on Kip
spies4Singe: but i know who kip investigated (or claims to have)
spies4Singe: and
spies4Singe: i think they're likely cit
spies4Singe: and i see no incentive for kip to confirm a cit if he's a spy
spies4Summer: What should Kip have done, if he was a spy or a citizen? Lied and said "this person doesn't have a role"?
spies4Singe: tough call
spies4Summer: Also, why did Candy tell Gordy to investigate the person Kip investigated?
spies4Singe: candy kind of outed him
spies4Summer: Tell Kip I mean
spies4Singe: i'm guessing that the role person told gordy
spies4Singe: gordy told candy
spies4Singe: candy chose kip
spies4Singe: and told kip who to inv
spies4Singe: to see if role person was full of shit
spies4Summer: So Kip was forced to say "This person has a role"
spies4Singe: well, he could have told candy anything
spies4Summer: Well let's say he told Candy no
spies4Singe: oh actually
spies4Summer: Candy would have lead the exile on this person
spies4Singe: candy told gordy
spies4Singe: gordy told kip
spies4Singe: so kip didnt know candy was FM
spies4Summer: Right
spies4Singe: kip REALLY suspected candy yesterday
spies4Singe: made a HUGE post
spies4Singe: that he PMed to me
spies4Singe: but never posted it, candy claimed first
spies4Summer: May I see it?
spies4Singe: sure
spies4Singe: sent
spies4Summer: Thank you
spies4Singe: anyhow, kip has trusted me for a while
spies4Singe: and
spies4Singe: he asked me to help encode his result
spies4Singe: did you see the code posted on the forums?
spies4Summer: Yes
spies4Singe: i showed him how to encode the secret message which says who the Cit is
spies4Singe: and he gave me and gordy copies of the password
spies4Singe: and apparently gordy gave it to candy
spies4Singe: so anyhow, the way kip played it all
spies4Singe: feels Cit to me
spies4Singe: but i could be wrong
spies4Summer: I'm still readng his message, hold on
spies4Singe: i've also seen no weird interaction
spies4Singe: between kip's target and kip
spies4Singe: to make me think they're the last two orthos
spies4Summer: All right, finished
spies4Singe: i replied to your latest post
spies4Singe: and note, lol, the three biggest pieces of evidence i had against candy
spies4Singe: -- held spy info while cits died
spies4Singe: -- weird behavior surrounding "trusted two"
spies4Singe: --- bunni says candy is lying about telling 2 people about the bev guilty
spies4Singe: i was correct on all three
spies4Summer: Yes
spies4Singe: just didnt understand what was happening
spies4Singe: ok so anyhow, hours to exile
spies4Singe: what's the right play
spies4Summer: I'm not even sure anymore
spies4Singe: i want to run a cost-benefit analysis on it
spies4Singe: in a post
spies4Singe: so do you want to run through your perceived +/- of killing Kip?
spies4Summer: It's fairly straight-forward
spies4Summer: Either we exile a spy, or we lose a precious exile to confirm a citizen
spies4Summer: If we don't exile Kip, we need a very, very stron exile target
spies4Singe: if candy confirms a cit
spies4Singe: what does she do with the info
spies4Singe: cause when she dies it's lost
spies4Summer: Because as you remember me saying, "It's not enough to say "Don't vote for ___". You have to come up with a better option"
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: i think masaki is not a bad choice
spies4Singe: i cant vote him personally
spies4Singe: family
spies4Singe: but candy picked him for last exile
spies4Singe: he is a tricky player
spies4Singe: with ties to many people
spies4Singe: and his exile would tell us a lot, for example, it would probably nail down zander's alignment
spies4Summer: I do suspect him
spies4Singe: my five are you, masaki, zander, damon, faizah
spies4Summer: Great
spies4Singe: i have to some extent cleared bunni in my mind
spies4Singe: and to a lesser extent hannah
spies4Singe: and leon, i dont think he's as clear now
spies4Singe: considering why he missed participating
spies4Summer: It's not that though
spies4Singe: a spy could have that happen
spies4Summer: Exile was on Sunday
spies4Summer: So Sunday night began episode 9
spies4Singe: right
spies4Summer: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, today ...
spies4Summer: Who's talked to him?
spies4Singe: super busy happens though
spies4Singe: i had to struggle to participate
spies4Summer: Would you struggle to participate as a spy?
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Summer: Especially if you were the lone Traditionalist?
spies4Singe: it really wouldnt matter
spies4Singe: he's a kid
spies4Summer: I know ... look at Emma as well
spies4Singe: he's got fun to have
spies4Summer: But why hasn't he contacted me to do the interview?
spies4Singe: i contacted him
spies4Singe: and he did it, but i dunno, good question
spies4Summer: Oh, you had to interview him
spies4Singe: friday night /shrug
spies4Singe: yeah he's not really a thinker
spies4Summer: He thinks he is
spies4Singe: he just kind of flows
spies4Singe: faizah, damon, both in the same bucket for me
spies4Singe: both can sound very reasonable when they want to
spies4Singe: but havent taken initiative to catch spies
spies4Summer: Yes, I agree
spies4Singe: and both appear and disappear in a manner that makes it seem they're managing their image
spies4Singe: which is spyish, but since they say nearly nothing
spies4Singe: there's little "fact" to work with on them
spies4Singe: zander/masaki
spies4Singe: cit/cit?
spies4Singe: possible
spies4Singe: spy/spy?
spies4Singe: possible lol
spies4Singe: spy/cit?
spies4Summer: Still possible
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: i have no good read on that situation. zander is totally illogical when drunk
spies4Singe: and i dont know which posts are drunken posts lol
spies4Summer: And sad
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Summer: I have to go for a while
spies4Summer: But I will be back for the exile tonight
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: take care, have a good day
spies4Singe: and sorry for being a meaniehead
spies4Summer: It's okay
spies4Summer: Bye!
spies4Singe: if you're on my team, you'll be glad i tried in the long run
spies4Summer signed off at 1:26:42 PM.
spies4Summer signed on at 7:55:18 PM.
spies4Summer signed off at 10:25:44 PM.

[Singe]

spies4Masaki: Hmm
spies4Masaki: Let's see here
spies4Masaki: 9 players, 5 is majority
spies4Masaki: blah
spies4Masaki: Gordy fan club, hahaha
spies4Singe: you never saw that before?
spies4Masaki: I did, but it hurts to see it now
spies4Masaki: Gordy sucked
spies4Masaki: His biggest accomplishment was almost getting me out
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Masaki: And telling me he had no idea why hahaha
spies4Masaki: Ok Singe
spies4Singe: ?
spies4Masaki: If you're a Spy
spies4Masaki: I'll find ya
spies4Masaki: and kill ya
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: good thing im not then
spies4Masaki: I spy a spy
spies4Masaki: "I HAVE A ROLE!!!!" is true, just take off the quotes
spies4Singe: ok, what's the deal?
spies4Masaki: It's called the "Vote Catcher"
spies4Masaki: It's part of the reason I've been somewhat lurkish
spies4Masaki: But I get "prizes" that I can cash in votes for
spies4Masaki: Penalties don't count however
spies4Singe: wild
spies4Masaki: So all those fucking accusations were a waste
spies4Masaki: Right now I can only get one thing, though
spies4Masaki: costs are
spies4Masaki: 10, 20, 25
spies4Singe: because you've bought all the others?
spies4Masaki: I only have 12
spies4Masaki: and I'll never get up to 20
spies4Singe: oh
spies4Singe: wow, what a funky role
spies4Singe: what made you decide to trust me?
spies4Singe: and tell me about it
spies4Masaki: Because at this point, it doesn't matter just as long as I live one more episode
spies4Masaki: I don't get to cash in until after imprisonment
spies4Singe: what do you get at that ep
spies4Masaki: I don't know
spies4Masaki: Whatever the hell it is
spies4Masaki: It's "investigative"
spies4Singe: cool
spies4Singe: what have you won previously
spies4Masaki: Nothing
spies4Masaki: It's cashing in votes against me
spies4Singe: how do you "catch votes"
spies4Singe: oh
spies4Singe: so you have 12 against you so far?
spies4Singe: so you have 12 points?
spies4Masaki: Well, actually, I'm not sure how this revote will work
spies4Masaki: So maybe not 12
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: yeah bonus points!
spies4Masaki: I doubt it
spies4Masaki: I have to ask Sam
spies4Masaki: It doesn't say in the descript
spies4Masaki: Prolly cause he had a tiebreaker all game
spies4Masaki: but i figured it'd wind up being useless because i never got voted
spies4Masaki: until I got blindsided twice
spies4Masaki: Both times narrowly escaping
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: so how many points do you have right now?
spies4Masaki: Last time he updated it he siad 7
spies4Masaki: And I need 10
spies4Singe: and you dont know what you can get for 10?
spies4Masaki: to get the lowest prize
spies4Masaki: No
spies4Singe: except that it's investigative
spies4Masaki: It just says Prize 1, prize 2, prize 3
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Masaki: right
spies4Singe: and have you been TRYING to pull votes?
spies4Masaki: subtly
spies4Masaki: I've tried being somewhat sketchy all game
spies4Masaki: But noone would fucking vote me, heh
spies4Masaki: In part due to the investigations
spies4Masaki: At this point it's a risky thing to manipulate
spies4Masaki: I don't plan to
spies4Masaki: And why trust you? Because, I mean, if I'm exiled, it's useless
spies4Masaki: if I'm imprisoned, it's useless
spies4Masaki: ...and Candy...
spies4Masaki: Well let's see here
spies4Masaki: She wants Kip exiled, and plans on knocking ut said power role even if it's proven true
spies4Masaki: So fuck that
spies4Masaki: I thought about telling her last night
spies4Masaki: Even hinted at it
spies4Singe: hm
spies4Singe: sec girl from last night called
spies4Singe: ok sorry bout that
spies4Singe: so anyhow, you have a pretty minor role
spies4Masaki: aye
spies4Singe: one that's gotten you next to nothing thus far
spies4Masaki: I don't even know how useful it'll be
spies4Singe: it HAS to be useful
spies4Singe: you can buy the prize right after the Exile vote?
spies4Masaki: Yes, but I don't get it until after Imprisonment
spies4Singe: so you have to survive two more imprisses?
spies4Masaki: No
spies4Masaki: Just one I think
spies4Singe: exile 9-2, impris X, exile X to get points
spies4Masaki: My points should tally up after this exile
spies4Masaki: And I should be able to get the prize after next imprisonment
spies4Masaki: So if I go after that, it shouldn't matter
spies4Masaki: But I don't know if I get those revotes or not
spies4Masaki: So I still _might_ be able to get a 2nd prize
spies4Singe: you should lobby sam for them
spies4Singe: i mean, they're votes
spies4Masaki: Yeah...
spies4Masaki: So are penalties but they dunt fuckin count =(
spies4Masaki: Otherwise
spies4Masaki: I'd just not have posted convos, haha
spies4Singe: lolol
spies4Singe: that's great
spies4Masaki: Candy screamin at you?
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: not screaming, just grumbling
spies4Masaki:
[Sunday, 11-18-2007, 14:46:07 PM] spies4Candy: I wouldn't exile the "confirmed citizen" if Kip was a citizen
[Sunday, 11-18-2007, 14:46:20 PM] spies4Candy: I wouldn't be using " " on "confirmed citizen" anymore!
[Sunday, 11-18-2007, 14:46:28 PM] spies4Masaki: OK!
[Sunday, 11-18-2007, 14:46:34 PM] spies4Masaki: Good!
spies4Masaki signed off at 1:40:30 PM.

[Singe]

spies4Zander: He basically said he doesn't suspect me, really
spies4Zander: It says a lot but I think he's just being clever
spies4Zander: If Masaki is indeed the trad., he's very smart but he has made a couple fatal errors that prove it
spies4Zander: otherwise I basically would have overlooked everything and never have posted my poorly-supported thread in the first place
spies4Zander: Keeping in mind Candy and I shared ideas, she told me to go through and find whatever I had on Masaki and post it in the burg and she'd post hers later... And she never idd
spies4Zander: *did
spies4Singe: hannah is parroting again
spies4Zander: parroting? just repeating Candy?
spies4Singe: summer
spies4Zander: lol then why are you like "I get cit. vibes" if you complaina bout her like that :-P
spies4Singe: that's the one neg thing about her
spies4Singe: but ive seen her do several things that looked really citty
spies4Zander: Spies parrot. Trust me spies parrot. Masaki parrots. Naomi parroted. But, I agree with you, I really think Hannah is a citizen
spies4Singe: and when i grill her she comes across undefensive
spies4Zander: How effective is that? Yesterday you told me if I was a spy I was basically excellent because I come off nonchalant or whatever in our conversations
spies4Zander: and now you're contemplating my exile lol
spies4Singe: are you contemplating a faizah or damon exile?
spies4Zander: Should I be?
spies4Singe: and i think you are WAY more capable than hannah
spies4Singe: no, im asking you
spies4Singe: you havent brought up their names
spies4Zander: In this conversation or recently?
spies4Singe: when talking about who to exile tonight
spies4Zander: Cause I have let several people know that Faizah and Damon both are on my spy meters, but not way up there
spies4Singe: do you have summer, damon or faizah on the table
spies4Zander: My vote is placed on Masaki for right now, as usual, and I said in my voting reasoning that that remains until I figure out more about tonight
spies4Singe: we're all basically trying to build consensus
spies4Zander: I really don't know about Summer... I just don't...
spies4Zander: I don't think she's a spy, and that's just my gut
spies4Singe: and have to limit ourselves to people who can reasonably be exiled
spies4Singe: so i have to choose from:
spies4Zander: So Masaki and I can't be reasonably exiled? lol
spies4Singe: masaki, leon, and maybe you
spies4Singe: im voting summer but that's not realistic
spies4Zander: It is if you suspect her the most or you want Masaki to leave
spies4Zander: That's what I don't get
spies4Zander: nobody here votes for who they suspect the most
spies4Zander: they vote for the popular candidate
spies4Zander: This isn't Presidential Elections
spies4Zander: it's mafia
spies4Singe: well, look at it like a pres race
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Zander: perfect
spies4Singe: nader
spies4Singe: 1 vote fucks everything up
spies4Singe: so
spies4Singe: you vote nader til thelast minute
spies4Singe: if nader aint gonna win
spies4Singe: you move your vote
spies4Zander: If Nader is the person you truly think deserves it, then why not?
spies4Singe: cause you'll blow your #2 choice's chances
spies4Singe: and elect a buffoon
spies4Zander: People willing to change their opinions because of what other people want just doesn't make sense to me
spies4Zander: For example
spies4Zander: Candy is confirmed
spies4Zander: Candy wants you to exile Kip
spies4Singe: if candy was about to get exiled
spies4Zander: why won't you exile Kip?
spies4Singe: you'd move your vote
spies4Singe: to protect her
spies4Singe: um
spies4Singe: cause i have a better read on the situation, imo, than candy does
spies4Zander: Have you tried telling her that?
spies4Singe: kip has trusted me for a while
spies4Singe: and told me stuff and it comes across sincere
spies4Zander: Candy and I have trusted each other for a while lol
spies4Zander: And you tried to separate us
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: i tried to evaluate you
spies4Singe: and separate
spies4Zander: well trying to mind-fuck me yesterday didn't help, I basically had to question everything I had told everyone all game
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: hey, you stuck to your guns
spies4Singe: and you were right
spies4Singe: it got me to learn a lot about you
spies4Singe: worthwhile
spies4Singe: under that kind of pressure
spies4Singe: hannah wilted more than you did
spies4Singe: summer waffled
spies4Zander: and so answer me this
spies4Zander: From what I gather right now, which might not be much cause... Who knows, two people here have me blocked on AIM and I don't talk much to a couple others like Damon and Leon (though I read leon's post... I'm rambling)
spies4Zander: You are probably the only one that seems to suspect me right now
spies4Zander: maybe Bunni does, I don't know
spies4Singe: really?
spies4Zander: and maybe Damon does
spies4Zander: At least suspect me in a way that I could be "a reasonable exile"
spies4Zander: so here's my question: What makes me more reasonable, or Masaki more reasonable, of an exile than the others you listed?
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: faizah
spies4Singe: it's like flipping a coin
spies4Singe: damon, close to same
spies4Singe: bunni close to same but i have a vibe that says dont do it
spies4Singe: summer, not ready to exile her yet
spies4Zander:
spies4Singe: need to grill her ass
spies4Zander: not ready to exile her yet?
spies4Zander: That's the dumbest excuse I've EVER heard lmao!
spies4Singe: i havent gotten a read
spies4Singe: no, seriosuly
spies4Zander: No I am serious
spies4Singe: it's like i wasnt ready to exile candy yet
spies4Singe: til this past few days
spies4Singe: i suspected her
spies4Singe: but her value as a player
spies4Singe: and the risk involved
spies4Singe: and the +/- benefits
spies4Singe: just didnt work out
spies4Zander: I'm glad to know I have no value as a player :-P
spies4Singe: the big issue with you
spies4Singe: no lol
spies4Singe: is there's that added you/masaki factor
spies4Singe: which tilts the evidence gained by an exile
spies4Singe: hugely
spies4Zander: Seriously dude, if I'm in your top suspects that's cool, but I just don't see your rationale in "reasonable exiles"
spies4Zander: You make the exiles reasonable
spies4Singe: Z
spies4Zander: If I hadn't spoken up about anything, Masaki wouldn't be a reasonable exile right now lol
spies4Zander: Or last exile
spies4Singe: i have voted leon, leon, leon, masaki, summer
spies4Singe: my last 5 votes
spies4Zander: Okay...
spies4Singe: you are on my list
spies4Singe: i would LIKE to be able to move faiz and damon up
spies4Singe: or down
spies4Zander: lol, I'm not trying to be defensive I just don't get most of the logic
spies4Singe: but it's like pulling teeth
spies4Zander: Faizah seems to be posting more but still not saying anything
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: damon made a guest appearance
spies4Singe: AND DAMON... as "Concerned Guy!"
spies4Zander: Again I just don't see the logic in reasonable exiles, especially when you say you will be lobbying for votes
spies4Zander: that makes any exile choice you decide on reasonable lol
spies4Singe: i'm just being honest
spies4Singe: and it's disgusting that damon and faiz and leon are "in the clear"
spies4Singe: cause you've run circles around them
spies4Singe: you saw my attempt to drag damon out
spies4Singe: but i only have so much time and energy
spies4Singe: other people gotta carry the load
spies4Zander: Part of me still feels like that's reason to suspect them
spies4Zander: It's almost at the endgame
spies4Singe: of course it is
spies4Zander: Of course spies would try to lay low lol
spies4Zander: they want to make it there and win
spies4Singe: have you ever played on Mafiascum?
spies4Zander: Not all of them maybe, but yeah, at least a couple
spies4Zander: nope
spies4Singe: i was nominated for best mafia performance there
spies4Singe: in this game
spies4Singe: came down to 13, i was the last mafia guy
spies4Zander: But Masaki is not as vocal as people seem to think, which is why I wouldn't have a problem eliminating him, beyond what I've already provided as reasoning lol
spies4Singe: i just picked one lurker to suspect
spies4Singe: and every day i hammered on that lurker
spies4Singe: and by the end
spies4Singe: everyone was like "well Singe is obv the good guy and the lurker is scum"
spies4Singe: gg
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Zander: awesome
spies4Singe: so yeah, i hate lurkers
spies4Singe: except when i'm a scum >.>
spies4Zander: I just really get the feeling that spies will be found in the lurkers. Cause honestly if there aren't at least two spies lurking, then 2 people out of...
spies4Zander: You, me, and Candy, are spies lol
spies4Zander: and that doesn't make sense
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: well, at most ONE of us three is...
spies4Zander: exactly
spies4Zander: But when my suspicions of you didn't rise up much until this week, I don't want to deviate from thinking that. Because if we take out the "head honchos" so to speak of the game, spies basically win AND the end of the game sucks
spies4Zander: Spies, if not all of them, are definitely being smart about this
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: kill the involved
spies4Singe: let leon cain and abrams decide the endgame
spies4Zander: That's why if the information did leak to spies about Johan, I though tit was a perfect setup
spies4Zander: Have the three most vocal people in the game basically taken out cause of one Imprisonment
spies4Singe: sure
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spies4Singe: hi zander

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spies4Zander returned at 11:44:20 AM.
spies4Zander: hey singe
spies4Singe: what's up?
spies4Zander: not too much
spies4Singe: read my post?
spies4Zander: Which one? :-P
spies4Singe: the one where i explain the cc's role
spies4Zander: No I haven't but I'll check it out right now
spies4Zander: I've been taking breaks to play Medal of Honor now that I finally have some time to have a life :-P
spies4Singe: MoH, which one?
spies4Zander: Frontline I think
spies4Singe: i love those and the call of duties
spies4Zander: I think it sounds legit but I do have a couple of questions...
spies4Zander: I mean, after what Gordy said about limited options for Imprisonment or whatever, it checks out
spies4Zander: But
spies4Zander: How come the role seems like... Watered down after the person meets their goal? Like they lose power
spies4Singe: i thought about that
spies4Singe: but if the spies KNEW the protects before
spies4Singe: and now the protects are secret like a real mafia doctor
spies4Singe: that's kind of an upgrade
spies4Zander: oh
spies4Zander: Yeah that does make sense
spies4Zander: I didn't even think about that lol
spies4Zander: So now we have a chance to go without Imprisonments. If it's true, I like it
spies4Singe: well yeah
spies4Singe: question is, is it true
spies4Singe: and the major point in favor is (5)
spies4Singe: 5) AND THIS IS THE BIG ONE -- If the protector is lying about being able to protect, the Spies KNOW they're lying. The enemy Spy/Spies would IMMEDIATELY know Kip is lying and kill him and then the "protector".
spies4Zander: So basically Kip is like a bargaining chip either way?
spies4Singe: this plan is suicidal
spies4Zander: I still think he will leave tonight but I am so against it. If you think someone's a citizen you don't have to sacrifice him to get another one
spies4Singe: by mentioning the "fake role"
spies4Singe: kip would put a bullseye on his back for the other spies to shoot at
spies4Zander: ESpecially one like Kip. He's actually productive. I'm afraid about who else might be confirmed just cause we might be getting rid of a big help
spies4Singe: cause according to candy's theory the spies would ALL have to know it's fake, bev's trads and kip's orthos
spies4Singe: well then, if he's a cit we should swing the vote
spies4Singe: who were the 5 on kip? candy summer hannah faizah
spies4Zander: Masaki
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: and ill have to vote kip tonight
spies4Singe: so that's 6
spies4Zander: You have to vote for Kip, Damon has to vote for Masaki, and Kip and Masaki have to vote for each other
spies4Singe: 2 of hannah summer faizah would have to switch
spies4Singe: to save kip
spies4Zander: Won't happen. I already talked to them last night... Well Summer and Hannah, not Faizah
spies4Zander: The only way I think they would flip at all is if there was like a way that Masaki was confirmed as a spy... And even then they might not
spies4Zander: they are so adamant about getting Kip out
spies4Singe: lame
spies4Singe: fucking sheep
spies4Zander: Agreed...
spies4Zander: Right now I'm trying to like...
spies4Zander: Analyze the Kip voters
spies4Zander: I have a feeling there is at least one spy in that group, maybe two
spies4Singe: you have the same vibe on this exile as you had on Cain?
spies4Zander: I doubt all three but it's possible
spies4Zander: yes
spies4Zander: and I think I told somoene that too
spies4Zander: And it's not event hat I'm adamant about Masaki... It's just that something tells me this is a mis-exile
spies4Singe: do you understand candy's argument for not believing that role?
spies4Zander: Honestly if I've read everything right, she doesn't believe the role because she doesn't want to
spies4Zander: She doesn't think it's practical
spies4Zander: She basically just told me "I WANT THIS PERSON OUT CAUSE THAT ROLE IS CRAP"
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Zander: but she didn't explain the role - the first wind I had caught of it was today with what you posted
spies4Singe: doesnt look like crap to me
spies4Singe: the ONLY point against it imo
spies4Singe: is that BEV was the first person to bring it up
spies4Singe: in that Johan priest PM
spies4Zander: mmhmm...
spies4Zander: Well also
spies4Zander: The role seems extremely powerful
spies4Singe: not really
spies4Singe: it's a doc
spies4Singe: every mafia game has a doc
spies4Zander: Well let me finish
spies4Singe: k
spies4Zander: It's seems powerful in comparison to past doctor roles Sam has had
spies4Zander: In Spies 3, Anneliese had a Builder role
spies4Zander: She basically had to have people post in thier confessionals to get her points, and when she got a specific amount of points she could save one person per round
spies4Zander: If a spy posted the word, it blew up
spies4Zander: So it was almost impossible to ever actually keep someone safe. So this role is like... Worlds better and in comparison, a lot more powerful
spies4Singe: true
spies4Singe: great thinbg is
spies4Singe: the spies KNOW if the role is true or not
spies4Singe: right?
spies4Zander: If the spies were informed beforehand who they could choose from, yes
spies4Zander: do we know that for sure?
spies4Singe: it's what gordy told me
spies4Singe: and implied by the fact that the Doctor protects are secret
spies4Zander: So yeah then the spies would know
spies4Singe: he told me the spies had to choose from a list of 6 at the last Impris
spies4Zander: has anyone implied, before Gordy, anything about people not being able to be Imprisoned?
spies4Zander: Cause that could give us a big lead
spies4Singe: because Cain, Leon, Abrams, etc were protected
spies4Singe: i dunno, it'd be a good thing to go back and check
spies4Zander: So if they are now the Doctor, then that means everyone in the game has been protected once...
spies4Zander: Including Spies?
spies4Singe: you'd assume so, otherwise the doc would know who the spies all are
spies4Zander: Well that's a good point, see if the doctor overlooked anyone
spies4Zander: If they did, bingo, spy
spies4Singe: candy should get the doctor's protects
spies4Singe: and post them
spies4Singe: i dont see any risk in that
spies4Zander: Also, beyond that, if the doctor HAS protected everyone, look back and try to find any sense of confidence before Imprisonment
spies4Singe: except i guess
spies4Singe: it might reveal who the doc trusted
spies4Singe: cause they protected them
spies4Zander: Unless the role claimer is lying, which I doubt
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Zander: *Sigh*... I wish there was a way to prevent this from tonight
spies4Singe: thing is, i know who the "doc" is now
spies4Singe: and it ALL makes sense to me now
spies4Singe: the way people have played
spies4Singe: kinda like when johan's role came up
spies4Singe: i had a DUH moment
spies4Singe: and again when Candy's came up
spies4Singe: when kip gave me the key to the code and i decoded it i was like DOH
spies4Zander: lol, I have no idea what you're talking about
spies4Singe: i think candy should DEFINITELY post those
spies4Zander: I can't wait til after the game when I understand some of what people are talking about with all these secret roles
spies4Singe: i only know two
spies4Singe: one impris, the doc protected gordy and bev, lol
spies4Singe: and Adelaide's exile the doc protected 8 i think, all the slackers pretty much
spies4Zander: Do you think they were saving slackers for last or something?
spies4Singe: no clue
spies4Singe: the full pattern of protects might tell us something about them, but then again they're probably not a spy
spies4Singe: definitely not a spy role
spies4Singe: either it's a bullshit role or a real role
spies4Zander is away at 1:16:02 PM.

[Singe]

spies4Singe: after what happened
spies4Singe: faizah is unsure
spies4Singe: we need to watch everyone carefully, to see if they're looking for a safe harbor in a storm
spies4Singe: or if they're really voting on conviction
spies4Zander: Vote for whoever you're going to vote, but express that to other people and see how they react. Specifically monitor like Candy, Masaki, and Bunni, maybe Damon too
spies4Singe: right
spies4Zander: I want to talk to the rest of the people that I usually talk to and see how they react
spies4Singe: yeah defintiely
spies4Zander: cause I still think the spies are low-laying it
spies4Singe: damon came across well last ngiht
spies4Zander: and this could do us worlds of good
spies4Singe: he is VERY excited about the candy thing because he claims to have suspected her all along
spies4Zander: Well he needed to, but I agree his recent actions are for the better
spies4Singe: he started the case actually with the Dont Drink the Koolaid thread
spies4Singe: which wasnt terribly convincing
spies4Singe: but was at least an effort
spies4Zander: I still can't believe a spy would push this much and cast so much attention on themselves
spies4Singe: well
spies4Singe: i'm pushing
spies4Singe: candy pushed
spies4Zander: It's been done but I know Candy is smarter than that...
spies4Singe: it's entirely possible we're both cit
spies4Singe: in which case, who is riding it safe
spies4Singe: Summer...
spies4Singe: and the other 4 on leon lol
spies4Zander: How is she riding it safe?
spies4Zander: or how are they riding it safe?
spies4Singe: summer changed her vote with 8 minutes to go
spies4Zander: Putting attention on you two and to a lesser extent, me?
spies4Singe: to blend in with candy
spies4Singe: summer always says she trusts candy and wont say why
spies4Singe: when candy dies, summer has plausible deniability either way
spies4Singe: "oh man i was fooled" like faizah on bev
spies4Singe: or "see i was right all along to trust her"
spies4Zander: like you and me on Cain lol
spies4Singe: we nailed that
spies4Singe: by the end of it i had almost no doubt
spies4Zander: It was too easy
spies4Singe: you get brownie points for keeping your eyes open
spies4Singe: it would have been easy to vote cain for you
spies4Zander: Votes where a spy receives several votes are never that easy. Unless there's an investigation
spies4Singe: here's another small thing, zander
spies4Singe: you have had some LONG ass chats with me
spies4Singe: off the cuff
spies4Zander: mmhmm
spies4Singe: unguarded
spies4Singe: candy always cuts things off
spies4Singe: she seems to calculate between answers
spies4Zander: She does direct conversation, yes
spies4Singe: and it wears on her, she gets tired
spies4Singe: summer also doesnt like to go for long spurts
spies4Singe: i think spies have trouble with extended conversations
spies4Zander: Why?
spies4Zander: to not incriminate themselves?
spies4Singe: sec work call
spies4Zander: kk
spies4Singe: back
spies4Singe: and yeah, i think if you hit spies with too many questions
spies4Singe: they have to respond to so many with lies and falsifications
spies4Singe: that eventually it wears them down
spies4Singe: whereas a cit can just respond with truths all day long
spies4Singe: it's painless
spies4Singe: you dont have to think
spies4Zander: Another strong point
spies4Zander: If Summer does turn out to be a spy, I will be surprised. I suspected her very early on but then she did a good job of basically making my random suspicions disappate
spies4Zander: Observe my fun and not game-oriented post in the burg. It was my well-deserved two second break from trying to think about things lol
spies4Singe: she uses sound logic from time to time
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: does candy trust you?
spies4Singe: like a LOT
spies4Zander: I would guess so
spies4Zander: That's something you'd be better off asking her but I would imagine she doesn't distrust me
spies4Singe: i told her a few things, i was wondering if she leaked them to you
spies4Singe: about things Gordy told me about Cain's role
spies4Zander: If I recall correctly, she didn't tell me anything about it
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Zander: definitely nothing before this week
spies4Singe: it'd all be this weke
spies4Singe: i just talked togordy monday
spies4Zander: I don't recall anything, let me search my conversations again just to make sure
spies4Zander: when I was reading through the burg and the thing I saw about people being protected from Imprisonment was the first time I saw it but she might have said it elsewhere
spies4Singe: it's such an important thing, that Cain protected and who he protected and when
spies4Singe: it's kind of strange she wouldnt share that with you
spies4Singe: if she trusted you
spies4Zander: True...
spies4Zander: nothing
spies4Zander: The only Cain thing we talked about was how I was right and she was wrong lol
spies4Singe: it's weird, i am on the side of the lurkers right now
spies4Singe: damon, bunni, kip
spies4Singe: masaki
spies4Zander: lol
spies4Zander: do you actually trust them though?
spies4Singe: but the candy bloc gives me hives
spies4Singe: i trust bunni to some extent
spies4Zander: Or are you only there because they are numbers?
spies4Singe: and maaaaybe kip
spies4Singe: no, i've been on leon for 3 days now i think
spies4Zander: I don't think Bunni ever posted her suspects... Just like I didn't think she would
spies4Zander: you've been on Leon?
spies4Zander: what does that mean lol
spies4Singe: my vote doesnt show in exile 8 for some reason
spies4Singe: CAIN (10): Faizah, Hannah, Abrams, Bunni, Kip, Johan, Candy, Masaki, Damon, Summer
[image] MASAKI (2): Zander, Leon
[image] CANDY (2): Cain (1), Cain (2)
spies4Singe: did you see where cain said if i got imprisoned the game was lost?
spies4Singe: he really trusted me and didnt trust candy, even though we rarely talked
spies4Singe: i guess cause i was defending him?
spies4Singe: exile VI: LEON (1): Singe
spies4Zander: ah
spies4Singe: oh get this
spies4Singe: ep V
spies4Singe: i submitted a tentative vote for naomi
spies4Singe: then got stuck without internet for 4 days
spies4Singe: sam PMs me and says i cant vote for naomi cause she's in my family
spies4Zander: good job :-P
spies4Singe: so i end up with no vote for that ep
spies4Singe: but he doesnt penalize me because i had an explained absence
spies4Zander: makes sense
spies4Singe: EP VIII I also voted Leon
spies4Zander: sorry I'll be in and out, I really want to play guitar hero lol
spies4Singe: so i voted naomi 5, leon 6, bunni 7, leon 8, leon 9
spies4Singe: ok have fun
spies4Singe: er bunni innocent 7
spies4Singe: actually maybe ill go play some too
spies4Singe: sounds like a good idea
spies4Zander: lol I only have one song left to beat on expert in #1 and it's kicking my ass
spies4Singe: which
spies4Zander: I want to beat it already so I can move onto #2
spies4Zander: Cowboys from Hell
spies4Singe: oh shit
spies4Zander: I can't get the progression down
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Zander: I don't know HOW I beat bark at the moon
spies4Zander: like basically God looked at me and went "Okay... Everyone gets a freebie"
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: yeah miracles do happen in that game
spies4Singe: the ghost of jimi takes residence
spies4Zander: lol
spies4Zander: well that bitch needs to help me out on this stupid Pantera song
spies4Zander: I don't get it and my guitar for some reason sucks on Hammer-ons
spies4Zander: lol. 35% complete
spies4Zander: and that's among one of my best performances
spies4Zander: highest I got so far was 65%. Normally I get around 12
spies4Singe: damn
spies4Zander: 64%
spies4Zander: Poor Zander
spies4Singe: raargh
spies4Zander: lol
spies4Zander: Dino-Singe, do I need to put you in Summer and Faizah's family?
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: RAARGH
spies4Zander: And Bev too I guess
spies4Zander: BEV SMASH!
spies4Zander: BEV NOT WANT!!!!
spies4Singe: BEVINATE
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Singe: you there?
spies4Zander: yeah
spies4Singe: can you BELIEVE Summer's post about blindsiding?
spies4Singe: how could a Cit not see the downsides to it
spies4Zander: She could just be stupid lol. Though she seems smarter than that
spies4Zander: Maybe she is just trying to defend her actions
spies4Zander: she's righ tin some respect - there are some things that shouldn't be shared with the burg
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: but
spies4Zander: but I dunno if this is one of them
spies4Singe: what if he was the fatemaker?!
spies4Zander: if you're going to accuse it's not the way to "blindside" someone, for sure
spies4Singe: OOPS
spies4Singe: SORRY FATEMAKER
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Singe: you give people time to claim
spies4Singe: and you give cits time to process that claim
spies4Singe: you dont tell bev right before exile "BAM HERE IT IS" and give people no time to process her roleclaim
spies4Singe: (except in that case it was an inv)
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Singe: but you take my point
spies4Zander: yes
spies4Singe: summer looks REALLY bad after that
spies4Singe: did you do better than 65%?
spies4Zander: No
spies4Zander: I"m sucking lately
spies4Singe: it's brutal
spies4Singe: sometimes i need to be slightly drunk to get in the zone
spies4Zander: so I'm taking a break from Cowboys from Hell and trying other songs on Expert that I actually like and think I can improve on
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: it's definitely a skill you have to improve before moving on
spies4Zander: like Ziggy Stardust and Killer Queen
spies4Zander: yeah lol
spies4Zander: I'm doing well for only having the game for a short amount of time
spies4Zander: and I really don't play it that often
spies4Singe: yeah you are
spies4Zander: just for a few minutes in afternoons
spies4Zander: and sometimes on the weekend
spies4Singe: honestly bark at the moon is tougher lol
spies4Zander: lol
spies4Zander: I don't know how I got through that one it's just like... I can't get the basics of Cowboys down at all
spies4Zander: <3 Texas Flood
spies4Zander: Oh wow
spies4Zander: I just saw something in that Pooling Info thread
spies4Singe: i loved your observation on the bunni poll
spies4Singe: that is GOOD stuff
spies4Zander: Candy says her biggest regret of the game was not pushing for a guilty vote at Bunni's Trial lol
spies4Singe: wow
spies4Zander: It kinda hit me today
spies4Zander: I was trying to gather evidence about it and didn't get many responses
spies4Zander: so I went back through the burg to look at what some spies have said about things
spies4Zander: and in the midst of that I found my dead little Info Pooling thread
spies4Singe: so why didnt candy push it?
spies4Singe: cause it would have looked bad politically?
spies4Zander: That's waht I thought
spies4Zander: Although in her defense
spies4Zander: she and I were very unsure about how to vot
spies4Zander: *vote
spies4Zander: it was Bunni's defenseless defenses to her questions that swayed me, and I think she felt the same
spies4Singe: well
spies4Zander: Bunni just didn't directly answer any questions we asked her, I wasn't sure what she had to hide
spies4Singe: getting rid of a useless player you have NO read on
spies4Singe: is not a crime
spies4Singe: note: people's reactions to abrams
spies4Zander: Lots of people had a read on Abrams being a citizen though
spies4Zander: msyelf included
spies4Singe: to some extent it was a relief to know we didnt have to drag his ass out
spies4Singe: i didnt
spies4Singe: i had NO READ i guess
spies4Zander: Just looking at past voting history and reactions from everyone...
spies4Zander: yes it was suspicious that he was the first suspect of the game and got everyone to sway away from him
spies4Zander: but spies from both sides voted for him I think
spies4Singe: yeah the spies kinda piled on him from both sides
spies4Zander: which doesn't clear him but is unusual
spies4Zander: I always thought Abrams was hiding something but I didn't think it was being a spy
spies4Singe: "spies4Singe (3:23:03 PM): how about the guysspies4Singe (3:23:11 PM): you got a read on anyone?spies4hannah (4:24:16 AM): um, i think zander is likely citspies4hannah (4:24:21 AM): kip is likely citspies4Singe (3:23:28 PM): he's craftyspies4Singe (3:23:32 PM): kip toospies4Singe (3:23:46 PM): u really hope they're citsspies4hannah (4:24:41 AM): i think gordy ralph abrams are suspicious"
spies4Singe: spies4Singe (4:17:41 AM): so, do you have an idea of who to exile?spies4Angelica (5:19:44 PM): Well, I was going to say Ralph, but now that I know people are whispering out me, they'll go 'omfgspy!!!!!11one' if I do. So I don't know. Abrams?spies4Singe (4:18:59 AM): has he done anything wrong?spies4Angelica (5:20:47 PM): Abrams? No, nothing concrete. Nothing like we have with Ralph...spies4Angelica (5:20:51 PM): Goddamnit...
spies4Zander: Wow that's weird lol
spies4Zander: That's just a weird conversation in general
spies4Singe: actually lol
spies4Singe: does that look like a convo between two orthos?
spies4Singe: let me send you the whole thing
spies4Singe: and one of me and naomi talking
spies4Singe: /shrug
spies4Zander: Yeah to be honest it does lol
spies4Singe: really?>
spies4Zander: If you took everything past the first line, to me it seems really really spylike
spies4Zander: She's consulting with you on who to vote to not seem like a spy
spies4Singe: hold on, sending everything spam
spies4Zander: And then poses Ralph as though you two share concrete evidence lol
spies4Singe: we're allowed to post convos, right?
spies4Singe: but you dont like convos with the dead?
spies4Zander: lol it's not that I dislike them, I know they are alterable
spies4Zander: I mean what I posted with Johan could have been fake too
spies4Zander: clearly it wasn't since I posted it in chat when I was drunk and wouldn't have had time to edit it, but yeah lol
spies4Zander: Still even if edited, logs can tell us something I guess
spies4Zander: Are you going to post it?
spies4Zander: Cause I have to head out in a couple minutes
spies4Singe: at a certain point you cant forge everything lol
spies4Zander: fact lol
spies4Singe: so ill just spam you volume of posts between me and bev naomi ang
spies4Zander: Send it to me in a PM or something, ok?
spies4Zander: I gotta go and I want to sign off cause I plan on getting drunk tonight and from what Sam said at exile last night...
spies4Zander: he doesn't want me on here when I am lol
spies4Singe: ok seeya soon
spies4Singe: sent
spies4Zander: I should be back tomorrow and I'll try to go through conversations and stuff then too
spies4Zander: I've been burg-stalking all day to catch up and gather stuff about the trial, etc.
spies4Zander: Okay, see ya!
spies4Zander signed off at 2:32:33 PM.
spies4Zander signed on at 2:24:26 AM.
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spies4Zander signed on at 2:00:31 PM.
spies4Zander: Hey
spies4Singe: hey
spies4Singe: want a slice of pineapple pizza?
spies4Zander: omg
spies4Zander: that's my freaking favorite
spies4Zander: no lies
spies4Zander: I don't agree with this Kip thing
spies4Singe: tell me
spies4Singe: your thoughts
spies4Zander: Like yeah it makes sense to sacrifice someone to find out about someone else
spies4Zander: ESPECIALLY if Kip is a spy
spies4Zander: But if Kip isn't a spy and right now I'm not sure but I don't truly think he is the most suspicious...
spies4Zander: Then we have THREE CONFIRMED CITIZENS
spies4Zander: Candy should be able to confirm or unconfirm the investigee without exiling Kip
spies4Singe: well, a spy could have inved a cit with a role
spies4Singe: kip could be a spy even ifthe inved person dies as a cit with a role
spies4Zander: true
spies4Zander: so there is the chance of mis-information
spies4Zander: Jess & Bebe did it as spies in Spies 3
spies4Zander: It's possible that Kip and the investigee could be ANY combination of spies and citizens
spies4Singe: right
spies4Zander: But, I AM glad I was right all along about Candy
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Singe: my three big pieces of evidence against her
spies4Singe: were all about that immunity inv
spies4Singe: which, it turns out, she WAS lying about, lol
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Singe: the other big reason was the cain exile
spies4Zander: So what was the mystery prize?
spies4Singe: which she truly did fuck up badly
spies4Singe: i dunno...
spies4Zander: I enjoyed your post lol
spies4Singe: it's true!
spies4Singe: i am pondering whether the best exile today is one of you/masaki
spies4Singe: because of all the info that would bring
spies4Singe: a damon/summer/faiz exile wouldnt bring much
spies4Singe: but i hate to cut lurkers slack like that
spies4Zander: :-P Blah blah
spies4Zander: It's the story of the game
spies4Zander: slackers always make it to the end, no matter how hard you try to not let them slack
spies4Zander: You can't even vote for Masaki anyway
spies4Zander: So don't tiptoe around the tulips lol, if you wanna vote for me then do it
spies4Singe: my vote right now is on summer
spies4Zander: My post in the burg was just regarding how you constantly try to throw me into this Johan situation, when I've already posted that I'm not as involved as you seem to think
spies4Singe: if i think masaki is the best choice
spies4Singe: i wont vote you
spies4Singe: ill vote someone else but lobby for votes on masaki
spies4Zander: You're being a hypocrite
spies4Zander: You yelled at people about following Candy but you want to try to lobby votes lol
spies4Singe: no
spies4Singe: i am fine with lobbying
spies4Singe: as long as the total picture is out in the open
spies4Zander: What about "Don't drink the Kool-Aid"?
spies4Singe: that's damon
spies4Zander: You referenced it though, and said you supported the idea
spies4Singe: and i dont think people should follow blindly
spies4Zander: I wouldn't consider me trusting Candy blind by any means
spies4Singe: i think they should give their reasons for following or not
spies4Singe: *i agree with this this and this
spies4Singe: *i dont agree with this
spies4Zander: I think I'm damn smart for nowing I could trust her, especially now that everyone knows they can trust her
spies4Zander: *knowing
spies4Zander: Just like I trusted Madison
spies4Singe: you definitely got a good read
spies4Singe: she NEVER trusted me
spies4Singe: so naturally i was cautious
spies4Zander: You seemed to be more than cautious though
spies4Zander: you spent an entire day convincing me why I shouldn't believe anything she's told me...
spies4Zander: and then she comes out as the fatemaker
spies4Zander: like you have to understand why I suspect you a lot now lol
spies4Zander: It doesn't surprise me that you're naming me as a big target for Exile either
spies4Singe: you know my list of suspects, right?
spies4Singe: i kinda trust hannah bunni and maaaaybe leon now cause of the retarded afk thing
spies4Singe: that leaves 5
spies4Singe: you, masaki, summer, faizah, damon
spies4Zander: The leon thing is such a crappy reason to trust him, honestly lol. Not like he's my top suspect or anything, but it doesn't prove anything
spies4Singe: so CMON man of course we're going to suspect each other
spies4Singe: i agree
spies4Zander: I just think it's funny, is all
spies4Singe: so i really have 6
spies4Zander: You spend a week say it's me or Candy that got rid of Johan, me or Candy, me or Candy
spies4Zander: then you spend a whole day breaking down why I shouldn't trust Candy
spies4Zander: And now it's on to me
spies4Singe: dude
spies4Zander: To me it just seems like you're constantly cycling through suspects, but I don't get why nobody is looking at you and questioning it
spies4Singe: dude
spies4Singe: THINK
spies4Singe: i didnt tell
spies4Singe: candy didnt tell
spies4Singe: that leaves two options
spies4Singe: 1) you
spies4Singe: 2) some kind of roleinv
spies4Zander: I HAD NOTHING TO TELL EVEN IF I WAS A SPY LMAO
spies4Zander: Johan told me it was a gift!
spies4Singe: i hear ya
spies4Zander: Why run and tell someone about a GIFT?!
spies4Zander: That's why I got upset in that thread
spies4Singe: but you have to understand, people know he KINDA trusted you
spies4Zander: cause you keep bringing it up and I didn' tknow anything about him lol
spies4Zander: We trusted each other because of Candy, that's not my fault.
spies4Singe: so it's possible if you're a spy that johan told you more
spies4Zander: I don't want to sit here and like take blame when I posted everything he told me
spies4Singe: i feel the same way
spies4Zander: That was the only time we talked that whole round too
spies4Singe: the moment the shit hit the fan
spies4Zander: You saw me come on drunk and post that chat
spies4Singe: i dumped ALL my convos into the burg
spies4Zander: there's no way I could have altered it or made it up, it was right after Imprisonment
spies4Singe: right
spies4Zander: So
spies4Zander: I really don't know what more I need to say
spies4Zander: I don't want to defend myself, but I also want to stop being framed for something that, when you truly think about it, I wasn't that involved in
spies4Singe: it's a minor piece of evidence and you acquit yourself relatively well of it
spies4Zander: I can't fault you for thinking like that. I can't. But I think that's your big motivation for questioning me and, to me, it's like get over it and find something else. Like I don't mind if you suspect me but have a reason for it or have something else too
spies4Singe: 1) you layed low early in the game
spies4Zander: I honestly don't think I did
spies4Singe: 2) you went after masaki a little too strongly
spies4Singe: 3) the silly johan thing
spies4Zander: There was that huge bout of Ralph drama early in the game. Maybe you weren't here for it
spies4Singe: 4) you're a clever player and we know the orthos are playing VERY well
spies4Zander: Sure I wasn't as vocal as some of the huge suspects / ring leaders but I wasn't laying low by any means
spies4Singe: you kind of avoided me, didint you?
spies4Zander: For a few weeks, but in the same respect you avoided me
spies4Zander: Here's how I felt:
spies4Zander: I suspected Masaki early on
spies4Zander: I wanted to follow him myself and see if I could gather something on him
spies4Zander: and from what I felt when I talked to you, you seemed to either trust him or not suspect him at all, and so I didn't have much to talk to you about then. And it just so happened neither one of us, though both active, didn't IM the other. You're just as guilty of that as I am
spies4Singe: sure. we tried a little here and there
spies4Singe: it's so different early in the game
spies4Singe: there were pockets of activity
spies4Singe: the whole diva-jeremiah axis
spies4Singe: candy's tribe
spies4Zander: My family
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: my family didnt do shit
spies4Zander: until Madison decided to become Rip Van Winkle after Week 2
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Zander: So, I get what you're saying, we didn't talk, but please don't offend me and say I was laying-low and compare me to people like Bunni or Damon's activity
spies4Zander: or Abrams
spies4Singe: can you think of any evidence on kip
spies4Singe: im posting it all
spies4Singe: + or -
spies4Zander: I really can't think of anything good or bad right off the top of my head
spies4Zander: He seems smart and very level-headed. But that can go either way
spies4Singe: did you get any vibes off old kip?
spies4Zander: That he was a pompous ass? Again that could go either way
spies4Zander: basically I never get citizen or spy vibes off of him
spies4Zander: What would your thoughts be if Masaki did leave and was the Trad., like I think?
spies4Singe: um
spies4Zander: Also answer that replacing "the Trad." with "An ortho" and "A citizen", and then do it replacing Masaki with "Me" too... I want to get your thoughts on why it reveals a lot of information
spies4Zander: Here's my fear:
spies4Singe: ok sec just grabbed a bagel n turkey
spies4Zander: Masaki goes and does turn out to be a spy like I thought.
spies4Singe: typing one handed
spies4Zander: People are just going to go "Well obviously Zander is a spy on the opposite side cause he wanted Masaki gone so badly"
spies4Singe: if mas is trad doesnt say a lot about you
spies4Singe: is mas is ortho you're less likely ortho
spies4Zander: Damned if I do, damned if I don't but if I've been right about anything in this game (And believe me there's a lot I have been), I really, really think he's a spy. Obviously.
spies4Singe: is mas is cit
spies4Singe: *if
spies4Singe: you look a lil worse
spies4Singe: more cause of how hard you pushed
spies4Singe: if YOU are trad doesnt say much about mas
spies4Singe: you ortho, he's not likely ortho
spies4Singe: you cit, makes him much more likely spy
spies4Zander: so basically same scenario either way
spies4Singe: not quiet
spies4Singe: you cit says a LOT
spies4Singe: cause of your case
spies4Singe: it becomes sincere
spies4Singe: he's made no case on you
spies4Singe: so if he=cit
spies4Singe: meh
spies4Singe: has he made any cases?
spies4Zander: not that I know of at all
spies4Singe: wow

[Singe]

spies4Zander: It's so easy for someone to lay low and frame those who are more vocal, cause they make the endgame with people liek ABRAMS who will idle out
spies4Zander: Think about that
spies4Zander: PLEASE
spies4Singe: I'll post his behavior.
spies4Singe: And review it.
spies4Singe: do you find it strange
spies4Singe: how the masaki thing went down?
spies4Singe: that you were the ONLY person truly convinced
spies4Singe: out of hannah, summer, candy, you?
spies4Zander: I do find it odd, but I know DCandy convinced them cause she trusts me
spies4Zander: brb again
spies4Singe: How much does Candy trust you? Has she told you much about what she thinks of me?
spies4Zander: I don't know how much she trusts me
spies4Zander: if she trusts me as much as I trust her, then almost fully
spies4Singe: ok so
spies4Singe: you trust hannah and summer as well?
spies4Zander: I trust Hannah much more than Summer but neither has rubbed me the wrong way
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: so if you four plus me are cit
spies4Singe: that leaves Masaki, Leon, Damon, Faizah, Kip, Bunni
spies4Zander: Let me say that my level of Candy trust is far beyond my level of Hannah trust, and Summer is lower than even that. So before you go running off, no, I don't SUPERFULLY trust anyone
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Zander: And considering all of those are people I suspect, it doesn't surprise me
spies4Singe: But you were confident enough in masaki
spies4Zander: Although you would be on that list as well
spies4Singe: and them in you
spies4Singe: that you all used your accusations
spies4Zander: I am very confident on Masaki
spies4Zander: I never used an accusation
spies4Zander: I don't need to accuse to prove my point
spies4Zander: And I was not here tonight when they all conspired to do it
spies4Zander: nor did I do it last weke
spies4Zander: *week
spies4Zander: You're assuming again, dearest
spies4Singe: no no no i remember what you said
spies4Singe: do you find it suspect
spies4Zander: But you just said I used my accusations
spies4Singe: that they made up their minds at the last minute
spies4Zander: So clearly you are trying to put words in my mouth
spies4Singe: naw
spies4Singe: you meaning you four collective
spies4Zander: I find it odd that they did not talk to me beforehand, but I have posted what I need to in the burg
spies4Zander: YOU FOUR COLLECTIVE INCLUDES ME
spies4Singe: no here's what im saying
spies4Zander: And I did not use accusations
spies4Singe: grr shush a sec lol
spies4Zander: nor was I here
spies4Singe: i hear you
spies4Zander: no, you shut up
spies4Singe: no you
spies4Singe: no you
spies4Zander: and think what yous ay before you accuse me of shit
spies4Singe: nonono
spies4Singe: ok so
spies4Singe: they made up their minds 8 minutes befoer exile
spies4Singe: switched votes
spies4Singe: AND
spies4Singe: were so confident all the sudden
spies4Singe: ALL THE SUDDEN
spies4Zander: And how do you know that?
spies4Singe: that they used ACCUSATIONS?
spies4Singe: ALL THREE OF THEM?
spies4Singe: because summer told me, i posted it in the burg
spies4Zander: I'm asking how you know that they changed theirm minds last second
spies4Zander: not how they accused
spies4Zander: clearly I know they did since I didn't
spies4Zander: Unless Gordy was one of them
spies4Singe: summer:
spies4Singe: "spies4Summer: I voted for Masaki 8 minutes before votes were due
spies4Singe: do you know if my opinions are rational and/or supported?
spies4Singe: why'd you do that?
spies4Summer: Because it became clear to me that voting Leon was the wrong move
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Summer: So I changed"
spies4Singe: candy:
spies4Singe: "spies4Summer: If she had realized this earlier, she would have made her moves earlier
spies4Summer: She would nto have told me to change my vote 8 minutes before votes were due"
spies4Zander: So in your book is Leon still a spy?
spies4Singe: no
spies4Zander: because he didn't care enought od o things this round
spies4Zander: ?
spies4Singe: right
spies4Zander: Didn't Emma get removed as a spy for the same thing?
spies4Singe: yeah but at this point
spies4Singe: unless he's solo
spies4Zander: You are fickle. I don't like that. You have no conviction
spies4Singe: his teammate would pressure him
spies4Singe: no zander
spies4Singe: i am just not certain of anything
spies4Zander: Which is just as bad
spies4Singe: my MAIN suspicion
spies4Singe: was that leon and candy
spies4Singe: were orthos
spies4Singe: that is really NOT possible given the evidence
spies4Zander: And now what is it? That you are unsure of anything? That's your main suspicion
spies4Singe: that leon is slacking
spies4Singe: and not getting nutkicked
spies4Singe: dude, i am doing my best, im fine with your criticism
spies4Zander: So how do you even know those I trust were wrong?
spies4Singe: i dont
spies4Zander: I know you are, but I'm just curious
spies4Singe: BUT
spies4Zander: you are looking for spies in myg roup and there very well may be some
spies4Singe: the way they went about it was SKETCH
spies4Zander: but look in your own voting block as well
spies4Singe: of course
spies4Singe: do you understand my reasons for my opinions on bunni?
spies4Singe: did you read my evidence thread?
spies4Zander: I'm sorry if other people believed me on Masaki being guilty
spies4Singe: you dont need to apologize
spies4Zander: At this point I am leaning towards Bunni being a citizen
spies4Zander: but if we truly suspect Damon, we have to hol dBunii acountable for what she too is guilty of
spies4Zander: which is about the same as Damon in many cases
spies4Zander: THAT was my big problem with what you posted ab out damon
spies4Singe: you realize what i was doing to damon though right?
spies4Singe: and that candy and i discussed it first?
spies4Zander: I do
spies4Singe: bunni GOT her trial
spies4Zander: but how much of what you posted is what you think?
spies4Singe: she didnt say much
spies4Zander: She didn't prove why she deserves to be here, or what she has done to help
spies4Singe: that's the best case i could make on damon
spies4Zander: She didn't evne prove why she's a citizen
spies4Singe: i obv DIDNT suspect him #1
spies4Zander: so I don't get why she was kept safe
spies4Singe: she's not safe anymore,right?
spies4Zander: You know what else I laugh at?
spies4Zander: That you say I UNDERTRUST Masaki and OVERTRUST Candy
spies4Zander: I don't undertrust Masaki, I suspec thte bitch
spies4Zander: And when I walked around fo rweek son end saying you were a citizen you never had ap roblem
spies4Zander: now you do.
spies4Zander: you don't like that I think Candy is a citizen and to me, that doesn't make sense
spies4Singe: wait
spies4Singe: your case against masaki isnt as strong as the degree of conviction to express
spies4Singe: FUCKING SPY FUCK FUCKITY FUCK
spies4Singe: RRAAAARGH
spies4Singe: and yes i havent seen anything to trust candy about
spies4Singe: she nailed bev
spies4Singe: so she's not a trad
spies4Singe: that's about it
spies4Zander: Did I say my case against Masaki was perfect? NO
spies4Singe: i admit you could have hidden reasons
spies4Zander: But I have made one, unlike what yous eem to do
spies4Zander: Beyond that, I just don't tust him
spies4Zander: I think he is a spy
spies4Zander: frome verything I've seen him do
spies4Zander: whether you like that or not, whatever
spies4Zander: but that's a strong difference in me SUSPECTING him and "Undertrsuting" him
spies4Singe: undertrust was a way of saying
spies4Zander: I don't undertrust anybody. There are people in this game I DON'T trust.
spies4Zander: An overhwelming majority
spies4Singe: your "rhetoric" is too strong on him
spies4Singe: that thread you posted, you were borderline off the wall
spies4Zander: Is a way of saying "I'm singe and I'm objective of everything. I don't like what you say. Whah"
spies4Singe: hey, im just trying to read you and everyone else
spies4Singe: and the more honest i am in my responses
spies4Zander: I think that you aren't willing to open up to what I said, to be honest. It's possible if he's not the trad, he's an ortho and you could be spies together. you defend him nedelessly
spies4Singe: the better read you sHOULD get on me
spies4Singe: i read it again today
spies4Singe: for like the third time
spies4Singe: honestly it's a bit painful
spies4Zander: You don't find him tearing apart Angelica's claim to be suspicious?
spies4Zander: consdiering he did it with Naomi?
spies4Zander: WHAT PAIN DO WE HAVE IN LISTENING TO WHAT SPIES SAY? At the worst scenario, they mislead us and we find that out immediately
spies4Zander: case and point - Naomi DID turn out to be a spy like Angelica said. So ultimately we figure most of what Angelica said was actually truth. The spies WERE gunning for each other it seems. Now what makes me curious is that YOU don't see MASAKI defending NAOMI indirectly by attacking ANGELICA to be suspect
spies4Singe: shouldn't cits attack claims from known spies to find holes?
spies4Zander: We only had things to learn from Angelica, from what I see
spies4Singe: at least understand the truth in the claim
spies4Zander: Cits should listen to everything they are told to gather more evidence
spies4Zander: especially when there are dueling spy sides
spies4Singe: right
spies4Zander: Not FOLLOW it
spies4Zander: but listen to it
spies4Zander: Masaki didn't want to do that, neither did Naomi
spies4Singe: i am the one who originally brought up the possibility
spies4Singe: that
spies4Zander: and that's NOT suspicious?
spies4Singe: we keep ang alive
spies4Singe: and use her
spies4Singe: granted i was bluffing
spies4Zander: And look who wanted to do that when they claimed Cain was a trad
spies4Zander: YOUR FRIEND MASAKI
spies4Singe: to try and catch another spy
spies4Zander: You don't get it Singe
spies4Zander: HE FRAMED CAIN
spies4Zander: he took eyes off of himself and framed Cain
spies4Singe: no lol candy framed cain
spies4Singe: dude you're smarter than that
spies4Zander: by saying he thought he was the trad he put suspicion off himself
spies4Zander: and onto Cain
spies4Zander: Candy didn't frame anyone. Show me where she framed someone
spies4Singe: wait, you really think masaki was the driving force on cain?
spies4Zander: No
spies4Zander: I think he indirectly helped
spies4Singe: candy said cain forged chat logs
spies4Singe: flat out
spies4Zander: He psuhed everyone away from him and onto Cain
spies4Zander: convenient
spies4Singe: spies4Zander: Candy didn't frame anyone. Show me where she framed someone
spies4Singe: spies4Singe: candy said cain forged chat logs
spies4Singe: flat out
spies4Singe: candy said jeremiah was a spy
spies4Zander: Then I never read that
spies4Singe: she got him railroaded
spies4Zander: Candy suspected jeremiah, and more people suspected him than her
spies4Singe: i REALLY hope you have role-based evidence to support your trust of candy
spies4Singe: because otherwise
spies4Singe: your head is in the clouds
spies4Zander: You know why I don't FULLY suspect Candy and why you don't FULLY suspect Masaki?
spies4Zander: Cause we're both stubborn.
spies4Zander: Plain and simple.
spies4Zander: We want to think we're always right, and chances are we're not
spies4Singe: i am much more open to masaki being a spy
spies4Singe: than you are on candy
spies4Singe: and i agree
spies4Zander: but I found someone I know helps me and shares info
spies4Singe: i CAN be stubborn
spies4Zander: if I'm wrong then I suck.
spies4Zander: If I'm right like I seem to have been for most of the game, then kudos to me
spies4Zander: but I just will not budge on the Masaki deal... He seems most suspect o me out of all the BS that's been going around fo rweeks
spies4Zander: and the fact that he has weaseled his way out twice now AMAZES me
spies4Zander: maybe it's cause I followed him and suspected him form so early on
spies4Zander: maybe it' sjust my gut
spies4Zander: but I'm not going to give up. Not when I feel so right about this
spies4Singe: "Go to Cain's "Just Like to Say" thread. He faked his convo."
spies4Singe: Re: The Cain train....again
spies4Singe: that's candy
spies4Zander: Then she made a mistake
spies4Singe: my response:
spies4Singe: "That's an awfully bold statement. When you and I went over it this afternoon, I could have sworn your conclusion was "might have been fake"."
spies4Zander: before the result was revealed I told her I thought she was making a mistake
spies4Zander: yOu and I were right, she was wrong.
Citizens can be wrong
spies4Zander: SPIES tend to bandwagon
spies4Zander: they don't tend to lead them
spies4Zander: think about that
spies4Singe: did you read the huge case i made defending cain? she didnt
spies4Zander: I didn't nede to read a case about Cain when I thought it was a setup to begin with
spies4Zander: but the most activist person in a setup isn't necessarily the one most to blame
spies4Zander: I don't know, you're hurting my head and I'm tipsy
spies4Zander: let me talk to you tomrorow
spies4Singe: lol ok
spies4Zander: bong hits for Singe
spies4Singe: nit ebrother Z
spies4Singe: i like you
spies4Singe: i hope you're not a spy
spies4Zander: Yeah you would say that
spies4Zander is away at 1:58:23 AM.
spies4Zander returned at 10:12:24 AM.
spies4Zander: I hate Abrams
spies4Zander: And furthermore, stop making assumptions in the burg!
spies4Zander: I did not ask anybody to vote for Masaki.
spies4Zander: I told Candy I was remaining stalwart in my thoughts on Masaki, and she decided to change from Leon to Masaki and find others to follow her
spies4Zander: Candy led a coup on Masaki. She may or may not have been right about his alignment, but the kicker is that he's more likely to be the last Trad, and I believe that's how she and her ally Zander argued the case. Candy has gone after Trads with fervor, not so much passion in her when it comes to the Orthos.
spies4Zander: I didn't argue any case
spies4Zander: You also accuse me of "telling the last Trad. what to do"
spies4Zander: Ashamed?
spies4Zander: I haven't argued anything about Masaki for about a week now
spies4Zander: And everyone tore my argument to pieces anyway
spies4Zander: I don't like being held accountable or dragged into this Johan stuff when honestly, it really doesn't have much of anything to do with me in the first place
spies4Zander: I'm trying to defend both of you and you still think I "told the last trad. what to do"
spies4Zander: Candy and I agreed on Masaki before I posted my thread, we had both gathered our thoughts and evidence and yet she didn't post anything when I made that thread
spies4Zander: Candy is one of three people who knew Johan had a confirmable Citizen role. Whether the role was spectacular or not, his possession of it made him a 100% confirmable Cit, and since I wasn't involved in the killing of Johan, it's very likely that either Candy or Zander told the last Trad what to do.
spies4Zander: This is all false. Clearly you did not read my conversation with Johan
spies4Zander: "one of three people who knew Johan had a confirmed Citizen role"
spies4Zander: I didn't know he had a role
spies4Zander: I assumed it was a gift or a random power (granted from the LL, was my thought)
spies4Zander: and he made me think that way as well
spies4Zander: he blatantly told me that
spies4Zander: So again, I just don't like words being thrown into my mouth or dragged into a situation that truly doesn't involve me as much as you want people to think it does
spies4Zander: If you do eliminate Candy and she does turn out to be a citizen like I think she is, you will just come after me for the same blind reason - according to this post
spies4Zander: Singe how am I misinterpreting you?
spies4Zander: This is what you clearly posted
spies4Zander: "It's velry likely either Candy or Zander told the trad."
spies4Zander: Well let me go through my conversations but I sure as hell didn't talk to anybody about it
spies4Zander: And I sure as hell didn't even know he had a role
spies4Zander: And I still think you're wrong
spies4Zander: I still think it's strong citizen vs. strong citizen vs. moderate citizen (me) and if we just attack each other it's exactly what the spies want
spies4Zander: Whoever the spies are, they are loving that all eyes are off of them. That was their goal
spies4Zander: So I'm not going to let the Johan bullshit deter me from figuring other things out
spies4Zander: convince you what?
spies4Zander: I'm not saying it isn't. But a lot of it is circumstancial
spies4Zander: Well then who are they?
spies4Zander: Speculating like this doesn't help if there's nothing to back it
spies4Zander: Grgh this just sucks
spies4Zander: I know I'm being a hypocrite about you with Candy cause I feel similarly about Masaki
spies4Singe: the problem is that I've made a case
spies4Singe: just like you have
spies4Singe: neither is a lock
spies4Singe: and we both view the cases with preconceived notions
spies4Singe: to some extent i WANT masaki to be a cit because he's a good player
spies4Zander: And we've both done our best to talk to each other about the other's opinion
spies4Singe: and i WANT candy to be a spy because it explains the weird theings she's done
spies4Zander: But neither one is really willing to move on it
spies4Singe: well, i need to do a full workup on masaki
spies4Singe: i mean, i'll be really embarrased if he turns up spy
spies4Singe: after all this fighting it im doing
spies4Zander: embarrassed? He's still a spy if he turns up spy
spies4Zander: it brings us one step closer to winning
spies4Singe: yeah but i dont like to be wrong
spies4Singe: ill be glad dont get me wrong
spies4Singe: spies4Masaki: Gordicunt got me exiled apparently
spies4Singe: i hope not
spies4Masaki: Kip just told me Gordy got like 6 votes on me
spies4Masaki: what the fuck
spies4Singe: summer is voting you
spies4Masaki: haha
spies4Singe: give me your last thoughts if you think you're going
spies4Singe: spies4Singe: hurry
spies4Masaki: I'll tell you, don't you worry
spies4Masaki: Those mother fucking spies did this
spies4Masaki: I see through you spies
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: summer and candy?
spies4Singe: as orthos?
spies4Singe: and some lamer as trad?
spies4Singe: i hope you're not a spy
spies4Singe: i will be disappointed in myself
spies4Masaki: I wouldn't be blaming the spies if i was one ;-)
spies4Singe: spies4Singe: well, bev did til the end
spies4Masaki: Doesn't matter, I'm toast
spies4Masaki: Well we have 4 votes on Bunni at least
spies4Masaki: Gordy claims 6 on me
spies4Masaki: Faizah claims she didn't vote me
spies4Masaki: Damon probably voted Leon
spies4Singe: ugh
spies4Masaki: But I still have accusations coming my way
spies4Singe: hope not
spies4Singe: jesus, 3?
spies4Zander: I just don't know why I can't bring myself to suspect anybody else but him that much, it's something screaming in my head constantly
spies4Singe: spies4Singe: kip, zander, candy?
spies4Masaki: Ok
spies4Masaki: That's it
spies4Masaki: I'm going to fuck them up
spies4Singe: they must be SO bitter
spies4Singe: they shot their wad
spies4Singe: lololol
spies4Zander: He's either a really really smart Ortho, or a moderately good Traditionalist, and for me it's like there isn't any other option
spies4Zander: DID NOT ACCUSE!
spies4Singe: spies4Masaki: Summer?
spies4Masaki: No
spies4Masaki: She had been playing me
spies4Masaki: She told me she didn't want me to go after Candy because she did not want to have to vote between the two of us
spies4Masaki: Basically IMPLYING she didn't want to vote me period
spies4Masaki: Now she tries to blindside me? What the hell
spies4Masaki: Gordy came to me appologizing for going after me, basically saying he had NO REASON to, but just had a feeling
spies4Singe: spies4Singe: ...
spies4Singe: faizah got a cit vibe off you tonight
spies4Singe: and from your interview
spies4Masaki: Yeah she came to me saying good luck
spies4Masaki: Making a thread later tonight
spies4Masaki: Asking people to grow some balls
spies4Masaki: They refuse to come to me with their issues, and it's pissing me off
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: spies4Singe: Zander made a case
spies4Singe: and people sheeped
spies4Masaki: That's the irony of it
spies4Masaki: He is the only one with the stones to say something to my face
spies4Masaki: And he's the one with the least clue
spies4Zander: he blocked me, how can I come to him with issues?
spies4Singe: spies4Masaki: Candy's move this time was so unlike her
spies4Masaki: She did this completely under the radar
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: she was panicked
spies4Masaki: Never once approached me about anything
spies4Masaki: Last episode when Kip tipped me off that she was going to try to knock me off the next episode, I went to her and asked her why she was trying to blindside me
spies4Masaki: And she said if she wanted me out, she'd let me know
spies4Masaki: Well lo and behold
spies4Singe: i get a moderate Cit vibe off that conversation as he's going down
spies4Singe: tough to say for sure
spies4Singe: "spies4Masaki: I'll tell you, don't you worry
spies4Masaki: Those mother fucking spies did this
spies4Masaki: I see through you spies"
spies4Singe: is a little awkward
spies4Singe: "spies4Masaki: That's it
spies4Masaki: I'm going to fuck them up"
spies4Singe: sounds more genuine--he doesnt sound liek an ortho
spies4Zander: The "I see through you spies " is a little over the top
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: i agree
spies4Singe: he was in a tizzy
spies4Zander: and after he survives, he sounds like he's pushing a lot more to sound like a citizen
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: it's a really tough call
spies4Singe: i hope faiz posts her convos with him
spies4Singe: she said he came across a scit during that exile
spies4Zander: Yeah
spies4Singe: when you read my case on candy
spies4Singe: do you get a read off me?
spies4Singe: am i stretching? bullshitting?
spies4Zander: I'm honestly a little indifferent. You're too angry
spies4Singe: hehe
spies4Zander: But what you post sounds helpful
spies4Zander: so it kind of clashes
spies4Singe: you sound angry in your masaki post
spies4Singe: high five
spies4Zander: it's like you're desperately addressing this evidence
spies4Zander: WOO WOO
spies4Zander: lol
spies4Zander: Ugh
spies4Zander: Now my gut really doesn't want to confide in Candy anymore just to be safe
spies4Zander: I literally don't 75%+
trust anyone at this very second. And that sucks.
spies4Singe: well, what candy did last night was pretty shitty, from a lot of people's perspective
spies4Singe: she tried to run the show
spies4Zander: That's why I don't know if I can trust her
spies4Zander: she didn't need to accuse him
spies4Singe: imagine if i used a power that overrode the exile
spies4Singe: and summer died
spies4Singe: everyone would be like 'wtf singe dont you trust us? only 3 of us are spies"
spies4Singe: and you see where hannah posted the decision to use accusations
spies4Zander: I think everyone would take a brutal role like that much less personally than accusations
spies4Singe: candy TOTALLY manipulated her into doing it
spies4Singe: "oh i dont think we should"
spies4Singe: "oh, you think we should"
spies4Singe: "oh, ok"
spies4Zander: That's not even being manipulated though
spies4Zander: she just like... Lemming'd that
spies4Singe: well, what it says is
spies4Singe: candy wanted that result
spies4Singe: but wanted to make it seem like she didnt
spies4Singe: which is spy behavior
spies4Singe: just like you say i have no conviction sometimes lol
spies4Singe: i admit i am torn on leon
spies4Singe: you'd think a spy would try harder
spies4Singe: but then again if he's taking the fall to make candy look good
spies4Singe: maybe it doesnt matter
spies4Zander: I don't think penalty votes are indicative of citizenness though, at least in this game and last spies received penalties... But I agree he seemed to not even try
spies4Zander: He was on AIM earlier two days ago I think
spies4Zander: Could have interviewed or IMed me for conversations
spies4Zander: but he didn't
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Zander: but that is unlike him
spies4Zander: so at the same time
spies4Zander: something may have come up
spies4Singe: feels a little more like a cit giving up
spies4Singe: BUT
spies4Zander: DIE PSYCHOLOGICAL SPECULATION, DIE
spies4Singe: the girls didnt give cain that benefit of the doubt
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: i know, i rely on it a lot
spies4Singe: the girls buried cain
spies4Zander: That's why I don't even know if I can trust anybody anymore
spies4Singe: and they knew he had a role!
spies4Singe: well, candy did
spies4Zander: I told Candy flat out I thought she was wrong
spies4Zander: I had a terrible feeling about it
spies4Zander: and they forged ahead
spies4Singe: she didnt tell hannah about cain's role
spies4Zander: then they go and accuse Masaki
spies4Singe: summer wont say
spies4Zander: Well Singe, Johan also voted Cain
spies4Zander: I pointed that out in your thread
spies4Singe: johan was not the sharpest tool
spies4Singe: his plan was terrible
spies4Singe: tell candy and singe about his role
spies4Singe: and pray
spies4Zander: I'm pretty sure that if Johan got a message from dead peopl eand thought it was the citizens, then he would have trusted them
spies4Zander: he might have thought that was from the spies
spies4Singe: maybe
spies4Singe: but it's a weird thing to just make up
spies4Zander: And to be fair
spies4Zander: Candy might have told him it was from the spies
spies4Singe: i would at least strongly consider it

[Singe]

spies4Singe: you there?
spies4Zander: hey
spies4Singe: you've been lurking?
spies4Singe: we tried to get you in the room
spies4Zander: i ahvent been lurking ive been drinking
spies4Singe: good
spies4Zander: what si s this room
spies4Singe: did you tell anyone about johan's role?
spies4Zander: no!
spies4Zander: na dnayd thinks i did
spies4Zander: candy
spies4Singe: let's chat in toolshed
spies4Singe: easier that way
spies4Zander: honestly goa head and vote me. i dint evne know edtails he just dotld me he brought back soemone from the dead
spies4Singe: im not voting you
spies4Zander: no masaki is in there, hes a apsy and i dont trsut him like youdr damumb ass does
spies4Singe: ok fine, and i dont trust him
spies4Zander: i dont care if you vote, i care if you suspectme for stupid reasons like johan and it rstuing him
spies4Singe: only 3 knew of his role
spies4Zander: or each other whatever ic ant even ktype
spies4Singe: you, me, candy
spies4Singe: and gordy
spies4Singe: so if you and i didnt kill him
spies4Singe: or tell anyone
spies4Singe: 95% candy is responsible
spies4Singe: but you trust her?
spies4Zander: I trust her and I think you're innocent, and i'mb eign totally honest right now
spies4Zander: i rtruly dont think spie sknew babout the role unless goredy or hojhan told someone
spies4Singe: we'll ask gordy later
spies4Zander: i dont know what else si can do
spies4Singe: he's kind of a dumbass
spies4Zander: ive been honset all game and now gbecause johan and i knew candy trust both of h ous i'lbe targeed
spies4Singe: not necessarily
spies4Zander: so you told ALL of them
spies4Singe: you were worried about dying tonight lol
spies4Singe: told all of them WHAT
spies4Zander: in the chat
spies4Zander: they hav equestions to ask me
spies4Zander: asshole
spies4Zander: you want to set me up
spies4Singe: no, candy told them
spies4Zander returned at 11:11:43 AM.
spies4Zander: You could have just IMed me instead of PMing me lol
spies4Singe: hi Z
spies4Singe: i wanted to PM it in case kip is a spy and changes it
spies4Singe: keep him honest
spies4Zander: and I don't really understand his message mostly because I don't speak numbers. At first I thought it might have been related to votes or something, but there are way too many numbers there
spies4Zander: ah
spies4Singe: it's some kind of code
spies4Singe: i assume he sent someone the key
spies4Singe: maybe he and masaki
spies4Zander: why?
spies4Singe: info he wants on the record but hidden til he or the other guy chooses to release it
spies4Singe: we discussed doing this with gordy's results
spies4Zander: hmm
spies4Zander: I don't quite understand what it could say though
spies4Singe: something as simple as "i am the fatemaker"
spies4Singe: or his theories on the game in case he dies
spies4Singe: i am thinking of doing the same
spies4Zander: so he sent it to MASAKI?
spies4Singe: but he has to give the key to someone he trusts
spies4Singe: and he doesnt trust masaki
spies4Singe: as far as i know
spies4Zander: hm
spies4Zander: but you think he sent it to someone else
spies4Singe: the key? assuming it's a code, yes, that's the point
spies4Zander: Well I would guess that he hasn't sent it just yet
spies4Singe: now that other person can reveal kip's secret whenever
spies4Zander: think about it - it's exile time, he knows he's not one of the big names being thrown around
spies4Zander: it's something he could feel wise to sit on for a couple of days
spies4Singe: maybe but if he dies the truth dies with him, whatever it is
spies4Singe: he can tell gordy to hold on to until gordy leaves
spies4Singe: then tell someone else
spies4Zander: the truth?
spies4Zander: there's a strong chance this is just what he thinks
spies4Zander: and if he is a spy then it's foolish to even sit there and think it's truth
spies4Zander: I'm surprised someone like you would immediately call this number code the truth, after how you dig into Candy
spies4Singe: i dont call it absolute truth
spies4Singe: but if kip dies as cit
spies4Singe: someone will reveal kip's truth
spies4Singe: he obv hgas a reason to hide it
spies4Singe: so it must be something relatively imporant
spies4Zander: Again, not everything a revealed citizen thinks is truth though
spies4Zander: we have good reason to believe it but it's possible they're incorrect
spies4Singe: right
spies4Singe: unless he has a role
spies4Singe: i think it may be something along those lines, you never know
spies4Singe: did candy tell you the two people she told about bev?
spies4Zander: nope
spies4Zander: it's not working
spies4Singe: shit, gordy's answering questions
spies4Singe: the room is "masakistoolshed"
spies4Zander: why is gordy answering questions a bad thing?
spies4Singe: you want to be there
spies4Zander: it won't let me in
spies4Zander: tell Masaki to unblock me and then try lol
spies4Singe: haha i invited you
spies4Zander: *sigh* hold up
spies4Zander signed off at 12:09:12 PM.
spies4Zander signed on at 12:09:18 PM.
spies4Singe: "spies4Gordy: although after quite some time thinking last night, i really do think Zander should be exiled O.o"
spies4Singe: you definitely want to be in there
spies4Singe: fucking gordy
spies4Singe: why couldnt johan have brought back ANYONE else
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Zander: and to think I thought Gordy would be the biggest help too
spies4Zander: I talked to Candy about it a little, it sounded like she convinced Johan to bring back Gordy
spies4Singe: ...
spies4Singe: she's an idiot
spies4Singe: i dont know why you trust her judgment
spies4Singe: she investigated bev
spies4Singe: that's her claim to fame
spies4Zander: I don't necessarily trust her judgment, I trust her
spies4Singe: other than that inv she hasnt done dick
spies4Singe: she got J killed
spies4Zander: Do you really see me following her path? lol
spies4Singe: she got Jeremiah, Johan and Cain killed
spies4Zander: I told her I really didn't think Jeremiah was a suspect
spies4Singe: pretty much singlehandedly
spies4Zander: I told her I thought Cain was a setup
spies4Singe: ok then
spies4Zander: if she doesn't want to listen then she doesn't lol
spies4Singe: you and i agree on a lot lol
spies4Zander: apparently
spies4Singe: but you trust her
spies4Zander: You don't have to agree with someone to think they are a citizen
spies4Singe: fucking gordy
spies4Zander: meh
spies4Zander: The only person I really would have wanted to see brought back is Adelaide or Lloyd
spies4Singe: gordy said lloyd doesnt care anymore
spies4Singe: adelaide would have LOVED to come back
spies4Zander: I know she hates me, but I still think it would have been smart to bring her back
spies4Singe: candy wanted gordy back
spies4Singe: so she could manipulate him
spies4Zander: I don't know if I would go that far
spies4Zander: I still don't understand him lol
spies4Singe: he's nuts
spies4Zander: Why do you say you want to exile someone when you have no reason? That just confuses the hell out of me lol
spies4Singe: confuses?
spies4Singe: lo
spies4Singe: l
spies4Singe: it's far beyond confuse
spies4Singe: he's accusing me of altering johan's PMs i posted
spies4Singe: im a cit, i didnt alter jack
spies4Zander: He says I'm a spy for reasons he's not telling me cause I know
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: what do you know about the fatemaker
spies4Zander: No more than anybody else from what Gordy posted
spies4Zander: Where is Candy when I need her
spies4Zander is away at 1:02:14 PM.
spies4Zander returned at 1:29:12 PM.
spies4Zander: Check out my poll, please
spies4Singe: hey
spies4Singe: will do
spies4Zander: thanks
spies4Singe: so you trust candy
spies4Singe: and you now believe i am a spy but you thought that before
spies4Zander: Actually I didn't fill out the poll yet
spies4Singe: oh no you didnt think that before
spies4Singe: ah, good
spies4Zander: I knew you'd assume something again lol
spies4Singe: naw, just checking
spies4Zander: I honestly can't make up my mind about which one to select
spies4Singe: i think he was killed for his role
spies4Singe: i suspect candy told someone
spies4Zander: I'm torn between
spies4Zander: I don't think it tells us anything/ was random
spies4Zander: It may have been related to an Ortho ability
spies4Zander: I think Gordy told more people about it
spies4Zander: and I don't suspect Zander, Candy, or Singe
spies4Zander: I wish there was an option to check more than one button thinger lol
spies4Singe: i wish you could tell me why you trust candy
spies4Zander: I'm leaning towards the Gordy one right now because I know how he is with spreading information
spies4Singe: it makes no sense to me
spies4Singe: dude, gordy blew his own role SO bad
spies4Zander: I just know that if Candy was a spy I wouldn't be here right now
spies4Zander: well Jeremiah did that for him too
spies4Singe: he could have done 3-4 investigations
spies4Singe: but he told someone right away
spies4Singe: dumb
spies4Singe: you are POSITIVE of that?
spies4Zander: urgh what to do about tonight
spies4Singe: if candy was a spy
spies4Zander: Gordy keeps telling me it was Jer
spies4Singe: wou would not be alive
spies4Zander: oh
spies4Zander: I feel quite certain about it
spies4Zander: We've shared ridiculously important thoughts, theories, and information with each other
spies4Singe: but what if your theories are wrong
spies4Zander: If she was a spy or if I was a spy yes, that would be trading information with a spy but at the same time, I dont think thats worth even risking.
spies4Zander: Then they're wrong but it's more than just theory
spies4Singe: plus, even spies need cits to trust them
spies4Singe: you are like 99% sure?
spies4Singe: not like kinda sure
spies4Singe: you'll be FLOORED if she's a Spy?
spies4Zander: I'm more than halfway there
spies4Zander: I think I already told someone I'd shit myself everywhere if she was a spy
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Zander: It actually might have been you I told before lol
spies4Zander: So how do you think you are voting tonight?
spies4Singe: im still pasting evidence
spies4Singe: EVERYTHING
spies4Singe: into one place
spies4Singe: regardless of whether i believe it or not
spies4Zander: Okay lol
spies4Singe: and then ill paste it into the burg and we can review
spies4Singe: i mean shit, 2 exiles
spies4Singe: this weekend makes or breaks the game
spies4Singe: we could end up 1 spy 11 cits
spies4Singe: or 3 spies 9 cits
spies4Zander: Well, who do you suspect? I just want to know if you have anyone in mind
spies4Zander: I can look at your giant evidence compilation later
spies4Singe: i suspect candy
spies4Singe: i suspect leon
spies4Singe: damon a little
spies4Singe: masaki a little
spies4Singe: hannah bunni not so much
spies4Zander: how about summer, faizah, and myself?
spies4Singe: summer a medium amount
spies4Zander: abrams?
spies4Singe: you a little
spies4Singe: abrams NO CLUE
spies4Singe: faizah NO CLUE
spies4Singe: abrams MUST have a role
spies4Singe: i see no other reason for him to be so fucking quiet
spies4Zander: how do you figure?
spies4Zander: I guess
spies4Singe: i mean, he literally says NOTHING
spies4Zander: Belive me, I know, I'm supposed to interview him
spies4Zander is away at 3:12:05 PM.
spies4Singe: Are you considering voting for me tonight?

Auto response from spies4Zander: Tra la la, la la la

spies4Zander returned at 12:25:42 AM.
spies4Singe: you there?
spies4Zander: yeah
spies4Zander: and no iwasnt considering voting fo ryou
spies4Zander: i already otld you dont really suspec tyou and candy
spies4Zander: definitely not candy and less so you
spies4Zander: brb keep talking
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: im trying to figure out which of that "vote masaki" bloc are spies
spies4Zander: Candy seems to think you think me or her pushed for it
spies4Zander: I told Candy I was voting for my #1 suspect again, who was Masaki
spies4Zander: she tried to find people to follow her
spies4Zander: But I am interested Singe... do you not think any of the people who voted Leon are spies?
spies4Singe: maybe damon
spies4Zander: And nobody else?
spies4Singe: ok i think i told you where i stand on bunni
spies4Zander: How convenient. Those who believe your word as gospel truth are not spies, yet those who trust Candy are... That genuinely surprises me. I didn't think you were that stupid
spies4Singe: told of pro-town vibes from her
spies4Singe: zander stop for a second
spies4Zander: Why?
spies4Singe: i have not agreed with them much before this exile, that's a coincidence
spies4Singe: but
spies4Singe: i have pro-town reads from BEFORE on bunni
spies4Zander: You seriously don't suspect Masaki? Cause I am laughing righ tnow. When he turns out as a spy I will laugh
spies4Singe: from today on kip
spies4Singe: from tonight on masaki as he was being exiled
spies4Singe: that's three plus me, out of 5
spies4Singe: zander, it's possible masaki is a spy
spies4Zander: That's a damn huge coincidence, if I'm going to be honest
spies4Singe: all i can tell you
spies4Singe: is that while he was going down
spies4Zander: is you molre suspect those who thought Masaki was a spy
spies4Singe: and he REALLY thought he was going down
spies4Singe: his tone was VERY Cit
spies4Singe: would you like to see some of it to see what i mean
spies4Zander: SPIES ARE GOOD AT SOUNDING LIKE CITIZENS. ESPECIALLY SPIES THAT WERE GOOD CITIZENS IN THE PAST. IT'S NOT HARD. AND YOU CAN'T USE THAT AS PURE EVIDENCE. YES IT HELPS AS EVIDENCE TO "CLEAR" THEM BUT IT'S NOT LIKE "OMG YOU'RE SAFE" EVIDENCE
spies4Zander: Here is MY theory
spies4Zander: The spies are people laying low. Imprisoning Johan frames or targets three people, whether they meant to or not
spies4Zander: You, Candy, me
spies4Zander: Whch basically sets US up for the next few exiles
spies4Zander: how perfect is that for a low-laying spy?
spies4Zander: The most vocal people in the game leave
spies4Zander: Meanwhie masaki has been on but has he said much? No
spies4Zander: did he post the transcript of the chat like he said he would? No

[Singe]

summer, dancing around the topic of a Bodyguard

spies4Singe: hi Summer
spies4Singe: What's candy mad at you about?
spies4Summer: Sigh
spies4Summer: spies4Summer (10:10:46 PM): I'm considering changing my vote ...
spies4Candy (10:10:51 PM): Don't
spies4Summer (10:11:02 PM): Do you realize how important this exile is?
spies4Candy (10:11:12 PM): DO I REALIZE?
spies4Candy (10:11:15 PM): ARE YOU SHITTING ME?
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: oh boy
spies4Summer: Etc.
spies4Singe: well, if you have any questions, run them by me
spies4Singe: i'm kinda tired of trying to make sense and coming across as an ass for it
spies4Singe: I guess you believe there's a doc after all, I'm pretty sure there is, would love to hear your thoughts on it
spies4Summer: I don't believe a real doctor would protect Naomi in episode 6.
spies4Singe: if you look at the people protected
spies4Singe: it's no one twice
spies4Singe: and everyone once
spies4Summer: Doesn't matter
spies4Singe: including spies
spies4Summer: I would have waited to see if Naomi was exiled
spies4Summer: Since she surely would have been
spies4Summer: I would not have wasted a protection round on her.
spies4Singe: ah
spies4Summer: I wouldn't have listed her at all.
spies4Singe: makes sense
spies4Singe: maybe the doc aint that bright then lol
spies4Summer: Perhaps.
spies4Singe: heh did you see my posts about Faizah?
spies4Singe: think it's coindicence that she's protecting Masaki twice in a row?
spies4Summer: How is she protecting Masaki twice in a row?
spies4Singe: she voted Singe instead of Masaki at IX-1
spies4Singe: and is voting Kip instead of Masaki at IX-2
spies4Singe: i believe she's the only person to protect Masaki at BOTH of those Exiles.
spies4Summer: How would she have voted Masaki in exile 9?
spies4Summer: I didn't know to change my vote until 8 minutes before votes were due
spies4Singe: well, she had masaki as an option
spies4Singe: i dunno, just looking for patterns
spies4Singe: when you were considering changing your vote, was it cause you really thought masaki was a good suspect?
spies4Singe: tonight's vote?
spies4Summer: I voted for him last time, Singe
spies4Singe: i know
spies4Summer: In case you forgot
spies4Singe: no, i know, trust me
spies4Singe: are you inclined to trust kip a little more now?
spies4Summer: Singe I'll "trust you" when I'm ready
spies4Singe: im not asking for your trust
spies4Singe: are you inclined to trust kip a little more now?
spies4Summer: I'm not sure
spies4Summer: I don't know if the choice this round was between 2 spies, or a spy and a citizen
spies4Summer signed off at 10:47:10 PM.
spies4Summer signed on at 7:14:34 PM.
spies4Summer: Hello Singe
spies4Singe: Hi Summer, how are you tonight?
spies4Summer: I'm great
spies4Summer: How are you?
spies4Singe: pretty good need to figure out somethin for dunner
spies4Singe: ack it's dark, canttype
spies4Summer:
spies4Singe: what's your take on faizah and leon?
spies4Singe: poor faiz's sudden burst of activity looks suspicious, even if it's genuine
spies4Singe: the timing...
spies4Summer: I just posted about Leon ...
spies4Summer: Bumped the thread, if you will
spies4Singe: he hasnt given us much to work with
spies4Summer: I know
spies4Summer: Neither did Angelica and it worked very well for her
spies4Singe: i dont know if candy ever reazlied how bad a misexile last night would have been
spies4Summer: Why was it a misexile?
spies4Summer: She stood to gain valuable information either way
spies4Singe: as it stands, we can miss twice
spies4Singe: if kip came up cit last night, our margin for error would be down to ONE misexile
spies4Singe: no pressure!
spies4Summer:
spies4Summer: I suppose
spies4Singe: as it stands, we now have 4 more and have to get 2 right
spies4Singe: otherwise it'd have been 4 more get THREE right!
spies4Summer: And that's with only 2 people winning
spies4Summer: Absolute worst case scenario
spies4Singe: right
spies4Summer: But that's also assuming that Candy's "confirmed citizen" really was just that
spies4Summer: We're still in the dark on that
spies4Singe: it's likely that will resolve on its own
spies4Singe: as the spies probably need to take Kip out in the next 3 imprisses...
spies4Singe: he's looking relatively pro-Cit
spies4Singe: and the Spoes have to nail the apparently innocent and leave the dirty lookers like me
spies4Summer: I was so conflicted on voting Kip
spies4Singe: i recall
spies4Summer: It made factual sense
spies4Summer: But he's so nice
spies4Singe: i play largely based on reads
spies4Singe: trying to spot liars based on "feel"
spies4Singe: because I know the really good players cover their tracks almost perfectly, vote-wise
spies4Singe: but no one's a perfect liat
spies4Singe: *liar
spies4Singe: i have a pretty decent read on kip
spies4Singe: had one on his predecessor too
spies4Summer: Predecessor?
spies4Summer: Oh, Kip 1
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Summer: I look more at facts ...
spies4Singe: but reads can fail so i love reading your confirmatory evidence
spies4Summer: Confirmatory evidence?
spies4Summer: I've made a list of sorts, of things I need to go back in my confessional and look for
spies4Singe: since we can miss twice
spies4Singe: you'll want to have four people in mind
spies4Singe: before the kip dealie you listed me, Faizah
spies4Summer: I very strongly doubt I will make it that far if we don't get a spy out in the next 2 rounds
spies4Summer: I suspect I will be imprisoned next
spies4Summer: And if not then, then after Candy
spies4Singe: that's about as cocky as my own thinking
spies4Summer: "Summer and Candy would be great imprisonment targets"
spies4Singe: but i agree
spies4Singe: the spies would like to leave leonish people at the end
spies4Summer: I agree with that
spies4Summer: I suspect Damon will make it far as well
spies4Singe: right
spies4Summer: Which is almost a relief
spies4Singe: would you agree that you, Zander and I being alive at this point
spies4Summer: We seem to get along well and thanks to my Angelica observation I am fairly sure he's not a psy
spies4Singe: all equally suspicious?
spies4Summer: I'm half and half on that
spies4Summer: I know I'm not a spy
spies4Singe: all three good contributors and sharp players
spies4Summer: But I am surprised at the choices of imprisonment
spies4Summer: Lise? Johan? Adelaide?
spies4Singe: Lise? I was told very early that she was a wise player fro mthe previous game
spies4Summer: I never talked to her
spies4Singe: me neither
spies4Summer: The reasons for the imprisonments are clear
spies4Summer: But misguided
spies4Summer: It's a pattern
spies4Singe: johan is the crazy one
spies4Summer: Which is why I'm not entirely surprised that you, Zander, and I (and Candy) are still here
spies4Singe: adelaide was odd too, they had to choose between you, zander, candy, adelaide and a few others
spies4Summer: What?
spies4Singe: and chose addy
spies4Singe: according to our doc, who you seem to mistrust in absentia
spies4Singe: because of the naomi thing, which i agree with
spies4Singe: weird protect, makes the whole list look suspicious. they also picked Jeremiah right off the bat
spies4Singe: but at this point it's either doc is fake and Kip is fake
spies4Singe: or doc is real
spies4Singe: one or the other is true
spies4Singe: which way do you lean?
spies4Summer: I refuse to pick sides
spies4Summer: I don't even know what the real details of the role claim are or who's claiming it
spies4Summer: I'm not voting for Kip at the next exile, if that's your real question
spies4Singe: have you thought it through? or are you staying away from it with a 10 foot pole?
spies4Summer: I have commented on the role details that you and Candy provided
spies4Summer: That your version is nice but unrealistic
spies4Summer: And Candy's version is difficult to stomach
spies4Singe: you know how you told me you like mysteries?
spies4Summer: Yes
spies4Singe: that situation is a mystery
spies4Summer: I suppose so!
spies4Singe: and i believe if you go through it you may be able to decide
spies4Singe: whether A) kip and the doc are the last two spies
spies4Summer: What I find more interesting is I'm not alone in my Faizah suspicions
spies4Singe: or B) there's someone protecting people
spies4Singe: 8 people out of 9 suspect faizah
spies4Summer: Yes ...
spies4Singe: hannah doesnt
spies4Singe: 6 out of 9 suspect hannah
spies4Singe: faizah doesnt
spies4Summer: I also observed - and I need to back this up in my confessional - that Faizah entered chat in exile 2
spies4Summer: Said she was voting Madison
spies4Summer: Which contradicted what she had said earlier that day
spies4Singe: mmm hmm
spies4Summer: Hannah received the second highest number of votes after Madison
spies4Summer: She was supposed to receive 5 votes
spies4Summer: Candy changed hers to Jeremiah at the last minute
spies4Summer: A vote for Madison was a vote to save Hannah in that situation
spies4Singe: true
spies4Singe: good spot
spies4Summer: Thank you
spies4Singe: if i were a spy i'd hit you zander or me tomorrow night
spies4Summer: I would agree
spies4Singe: the alternatives are faizah, damon, leon, kip, bunni, hannah
spies4Summer: There aren't any more roles to claim
spies4Summer: There's no reason not to hit the more vocal players
spies4Singe: i dont think there are any more besides the protector
spies4Singe: well
spies4Singe: i would leave a vocal player alive if i thought i could exile them
spies4Singe: but as i've told many people, you would be a difficult exile
spies4Singe: zander a tad less so
spies4Summer: Once upon a time Candy was a difficult exile
spies4Singe: heh
spies4Summer: Then it almost happened
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: good thing she threw J under the bus
spies4Summer: Who is J?
spies4Singe: jer
spies4Summer: I'm confused
spies4Singe: it was him or her that night, right?
spies4Singe: and she worked the crowd and saved herself
spies4Singe: why is hannah not a traditionalist?
spies4Summer: It was in your PM from Johan
spies4Singe: (from your chat before masaki died)
spies4Singe: yeah, do you know where that came from?
spies4Singe: i'm still in the dark about that
spies4Summer: It came from Johan?
spies4Singe: i mean the result
spies4Singe: it's not a FM thing apparently
spies4Summer: Oh, you mean do I know why Johan said it?
spies4Singe: yeah
spies4Singe: "spies4Summer (9:57:54 PM): I also don't like how he constantly votes for the minority
spies4Summer (9:58:00 PM): Just so he can say "I told you so" on bad exiles"
spies4Singe:
spies4Summer: Well it was fortunate that your Pro-Cain stance came at the time he won the tiebreaker
spies4Summer: Given by the Fatemaker, I mean
spies4Singe: you read all my various points... i had to follow my evidence
spies4Singe: it's not like i pulled a faizah and flipped a coin
spies4Singe: i was on Ralph and Martha
spies4Singe: so I don't think I can really be accused of avoiding the bad exiles
spies4Summer: What do Ralph and Martha have to do with Cain ... ?
spies4Singe: "spies4Summer (9:57:54 PM): I also don't like how he constantly votes for the minority
spies4Summer (9:58:00 PM): Just so he can say "I told you so" on bad exiles"
spies4Summer: Oh
spies4Singe: i voted with the minority once out of three there
spies4Summer: I was referring to your more recent votes
spies4Singe: twice if you count kip
spies4Summer: But you did put on a show of how you believed Cain and weren't voting him
spies4Singe: oh absolutely
spies4Singe: that was the most certain i've been on a vote
spies4Singe: other than the three investigations
spies4Summer: The Traditionalists wanted to give him the tiebreaker
spies4Summer: And at the time I thought Sam said that if Cain leaves, he chose who would inherit the tiebreaker
spies4Summer: I could have sworn I read it somewhere
spies4Singe: so you thought i was buttering cain up?
spies4Summer: And lest you underestimate the importance of the tiebreaker, Masaki really could have used it last round
spies4Summer: spies4Faizah (9:10:57 PM): Can we change our votes once we have made em?
spies4Summer: She asked this in episode 2
spies4Singe: uh huh
spies4Summer: Why didn't she vote in episode 4?
spies4Singe: i missed one too
spies4Singe: lameness
spies4Summer: Yes, you did
spies4Singe: two actually
spies4Summer: i thought you voted for Leon in the Beverly v Naomi one
spies4Singe: once cause i was out all the day of
spies4Singe: no i voted naomi
spies4Singe: from a little port town in thet islands
spies4Singe: in a hurry
spies4Singe: and forgot that i was in her family
spies4Summer: *Giggle*
spies4Singe: yeah lol
spies4Singe: doh
spies4Singe: not like it mattered
spies4Summer: I was afraid I voted Cain illegally earlier this week
spies4Singe: spy v spy
spies4Summer: Then I remembered I wasn't in his family at the time
spies4Singe: "If you wanna suspect me, go ahead, but there are better fish to fry, and if you fry me, it'll taste like crap."
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Summer: What?
spies4Singe: Leon's reply to you
spies4Singe: i know you summer
spies4Singe: you love unraveling mysteries
spies4Singe: it's weird to me that you dont have an opinion on this doc thing--i attacked it furiously once i learned of it
spies4Singe: because if it's a lie, the game is over
spies4Singe: you understand my point?
spies4Summer: I understand your point
spies4Summer: However, you know more than I do
spies4Summer: From your position, you have more information
spies4Singe: i'll share everything except their name with you
spies4Summer: You have a clearer view of the "right" and the "wrong" stance
spies4Singe: true
spies4Summer: You also forget that I know you hold everything people say against them
spies4Singe: have you talked to candy about it?
spies4Summer: So if I pick the wrong side
spies4Summer: Bam I'm a spy
spies4Singe: haha
spies4Singe: summer
spies4Summer: I'm cautious, Singe
spies4Singe: i want the spies
spies4Summer: As do I
spies4Singe: i'm not an idiot, at least i like to think i'm not
spies4Singe: it's possible, and i've considered this, that the doc hasnt told me the whole truth
spies4Singe: about their role--candy tells me my version is different than thte one she has
spies4Singe: but i do think it's highly unlikely that she and kip are both bad guys and that the rest of this shady looking town is all innocent lol
spies4Singe: i mean, leon, faizah, bunni, damon all innocent?
spies4Singe: not to mention you and hannah?
spies4Singe: i don't buy it
spies4Singe: candy told me she already told the doc who to protect
spies4Singe: and refuses to tell me, which i guess is wise
spies4Singe: i'd guess it's you or zander, but i suppose they could be self-protecting
spies4Summer: I should have said that 2 people are trying to talk to me in real life
spies4Summer: I'm really sorry - I'm not avoiding you
spies4Singe: that makes sense
spies4Singe: i'll go for a run then
spies4Singe: maybe we can chat more later
spies4Singe: have fun i miss my college dorm!
spies4Summer: Good night Singe