Conversations, Round 12

[Summer]

spies4Summer (12:15:42 PM): Hi Leon
spies4Leon (12:15:52 PM): Heya Summer
spies4Summer (12:16:00 PM): How are you?
spies4Leon (12:16:17 PM): Good, kinda tired, but good
spies4Leon (12:16:18 PM): you?
spies4Summer (12:16:29 PM): I'm doing well
spies4Summer (12:16:47 PM): I'm going through all the posts in the burg looking for things ... wow, there's so much I forgot
spies4Summer (12:17:13 PM): You suspected Naomi in round 1
spies4Summer (12:17:15 PM): Nice catch!
spies4Leon (12:18:11 PM): lol, thanks
spies4Summer (12:18:52 PM): Why did Martha want us to watch you closely?
spies4Leon (12:19:18 PM): No clue, I never even knew she suspected me
spies4Summer (12:19:36 PM): Jeremiah said she said to watch you
spies4Summer (12:19:45 PM): She never told me that in a conversation, so I wondered if you knew
spies4Leon (12:20:14 PM): nah, I have no clue about that
spies4Summer (12:21:09 PM): All right
spies4Summer (12:21:24 PM): Candy said that you didn't get to find out the rest of Adelaide's dream
spies4Leon (12:22:04 PM): no, it was weird, there was just no mention of it whatsoever in her confessional
spies4Leon (12:22:23 PM): i mean, Johan discussed his, but all Addy had was a few suspicions and some song
spies4Summer (12:22:30 PM): A song?
spies4Summer (12:22:37 PM): *Giggle*
spies4Leon (12:22:40 PM): yeah
spies4Leon (12:22:41 PM): lol
spies4Summer (12:23:25 PM): How did it work? Did you get to see many confessionals or did Sam pick for you or what?
spies4Leon (12:23:45 PM): I got to see one thread from each
spies4Summer (12:24:08 PM): How many people?
spies4Leon (12:24:17 PM): three
spies4Leon (12:24:18 PM): I picked Addy Round 6 (like Candy told me), Gordy Round 9, and Johan Round 8
spies4Summer (12:24:22 PM): Why didn't you choose a spy?
spies4Leon (12:24:39 PM): only citizens
spies4Summer (12:24:38 PM): If we had seen a spy's confessional that would have been really helpful
spies4Summer (12:24:43 PM): Oh really?
spies4Summer (12:24:44 PM): Okay
spies4Leon (12:24:46 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:24:58 PM): Did Gordy's talk about Adelaide's dreams?
spies4Leon (12:25:12 PM): no, he mostly talked about Candy's fatemaker role
spies4Summer (12:25:21 PM): So no one counterclaimed to Gordy?
spies4Summer (12:25:42 PM): I wonder why a spy didn't try
spies4Leon (12:25:50 PM): yeah its weird
spies4Leon (12:26:05 PM): Originally, I asked Sam to show me the thread where he learned about the fatemaker role
spies4Leon (12:26:48 PM): but he said that the only thing he told Gordy was about what he could and couldnt say when going back into the game, and explaining why the details of his return
spies4Summer (12:27:36 PM): Leon, Candy suspected Masaki because he kept asking her about her fatemaking decisions before Candy actually revealed the role
spies4Summer (12:27:50 PM): She said she sensed he was a spy because he knew what the questions were
spies4Summer (12:28:02 PM): Did anyone ever mention fatemaking things to you before Candy went public?
spies4Leon (12:28:09 PM): no
spies4Summer (12:28:11 PM): I talked about it a lot with Masaki and in hindsight I see what she meant
spies4Summer (12:28:17 PM): Masaki kept mentioning her immunity
spies4Summer (12:28:21 PM): Her Beverly investigation
spies4Summer (12:28:24 PM): Things like that
spies4Summer (12:28:39 PM): Faizah did too
spies4Summer (12:28:42 PM): Did anyone try to make you suspect Candy using those pieces of information?
spies4Leon (12:29:20 PM): Masaki did, but he didnt try very hard to persuade me, I told him I didnt suspect Candy at all and that pretty much ended that convo with him
spies4Summer (12:29:37 PM): Faizah kept trying to get me to talk about it
spies4Summer (12:30:01 PM): I very strongly suspect those who:
1) Doubted where my investigation came from
2) Theorized I was the fatemaker
3) Said I had to be lying about my mystery prize
4) Tried to get me to name the 2 people I PMed

because the spies wanted that info to hunt me down.
(This especially includes Mistaki, Bunni and Singe)
spies4Summer (12:30:27 PM): Faizah and Masaki were the only 2 people who brought this up on a regular basis with me
spies4Summer (12:30:31 PM): No one but Masaki tried with you?
spies4Leon (12:30:44 PM): nope
spies4Leon (12:30:47 PM): just him
spies4Summer (12:30:49 PM): All right
spies4Summer (12:31:04 PM): Did anyone try to talk you into not voting Faizah in round 10?
spies4Leon (12:31:32 PM): not that I know of, everyone was pretty sure it was her
spies4Summer (12:31:53 PM): When you get a chance, could you reread your conversations and check?
spies4Leon (12:32:13 PM): yeah, sure
spies4Summer (12:32:29 PM): I'm trying to think of all the things that the last Orthodoxy spy would have done
spies4Summer (12:32:38 PM): Singe said that Zander "slipped" somewhere
spies4Summer (12:32:44 PM): I'm wondering if it was along those lines
spies4Summer (12:33:30 PM): Zander and Faizah didn't list each other in the "3 top suspects" question Kip asked
spies4Summer (12:33:33 PM): You did say Faizah
spies4Summer (12:33:36 PM): And she tried to exile you
spies4Leon (12:34:13 PM): wait, Zander didnt say Faizah?
spies4Summer (12:34:17 PM): No, he didn't
spies4Leon (12:34:24 PM): did Faizah say Zander?
spies4Summer (12:34:26 PM): Zander said Masaki, Leon, Damon, and maybe Singe
spies4Summer (12:34:45 PM): Faizah said Singe, Masaki, and Bunni (her flawed vowel theory that I think was designed to make sure we wasted our 3 remaining exiles)
spies4Leon (12:35:05 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (12:35:08 PM): Thankfully Masaki was a spy
spies4Leon (12:35:15 PM): I know lol
spies4Summer (12:35:26 PM): Then she imprisoned Bunni and her counterpart imprisoned Singe
spies4Summer (12:35:31 PM): No more vowel people
spies4Leon (12:36:17 PM): yeah, so she kinda disbanded her own theory there
spies4Leon (12:36:27 PM): one of the things I've been thinking about though, no one expected Kip to make that thread
spies4Leon (12:36:46 PM): so when Kip was asking around, why would the spy ACTUALLY give them a real spy name
spies4Leon (12:36:54 PM): they prolly thought he was going soon
spies4Summer (12:36:56 PM): WIFOM
spies4Leon (12:37:24 PM): and if he was actually going to do work, they'd think he would do work on the three they said, not finding anything, then wouldnt have time for anyone else
spies4Leon (12:37:57 PM): that made me think Hannah, since Faizah didnt say Hannah (a top suspect), and Hannah didnt say Faizah (a top suspect)
spies4Leon (12:38:09 PM): but if Zander fits too, well then its possible
spies4Summer (12:38:59 PM): Yes, I agree
spies4Leon (1:18:34 PM): I just checked through the convo's, no one tried to really persuade me otherwise, Singe mentioned to consider Zander too, but thats it
spies4Summer (1:21:47 PM): What did Zander say?
spies4Leon (1:22:13 PM): I didnt really talk to Zander much that round
spies4Leon (1:22:17 PM): he was out of town
spies4Leon (1:22:28 PM): and was using Mobile IM, so it was a quick chat
spies4Leon (1:22:40 PM): Singe just mentioned his name, saying he could be an Ortho too
spies4Summer (1:23:02 PM): Oh, all right
spies4Summer (1:23:04 PM): I misread
spies4Summer (1:23:13 PM): I thought you said Zander mentioned not voting Faizah
spies4Leon (1:23:36 PM): no, he was for it when I spoke too him

[Summer]

spies4kip (12:37:47 PM): hi summer
spies4Summer (12:38:18 PM): Hello Kip
spies4kip (12:38:25 PM): how are you?
spies4Summer (12:38:31 PM): I'm doing well
spies4Summer (12:38:41 PM): Leon's not giving me any helpful answers to my questions, but I'm trying!
spies4kip (12:38:52 PM): its leon lol
spies4Summer (12:39:14 PM): Well there are some things that I think will point to the last Orthodoxy spy
spies4Summer (12:39:22 PM): But they all involve "Did this person ever tell you ____"
spies4Summer (12:39:26 PM): And Leon doesn't really talk to anyone
spies4Summer (12:39:29 PM): So the answer is usually "no"
spies4kip (12:39:35 PM):
spies4kip (12:39:40 PM): and zander isnt here
spies4Summer (12:40:27 PM): Well one thing I'm looking for goes back to Candy and her fatemaker role
spies4Summer (12:40:37 PM): Candy suspected Masaki because he kept asking her about her fatemaking decisions before Candy actually revealed the role
spies4Summer (12:40:48 PM): She said she sensed he was a spy because he knew what the questions were
spies4Summer (12:41:04 PM): I've looked over some of my conversations, and Faizah does it as well
spies4kip (12:41:19 PM): hrmm
spies4Summer (12:41:21 PM): They kept mentioning her immunity
spies4Summer (12:41:23 PM): Her Beverly investigation
spies4Summer (12:41:25 PM): Things like that
spies4Summer (12:41:36 PM): Did anyone try to make you suspect Candy using those pieces of information?
spies4kip (12:41:44 PM): masaki
spies4Summer (12:41:57 PM): Well Candy listed the things we should look for
spies4Summer (12:42:03 PM): I very strongly suspect those who:
1) Doubted where my investigation came from
2) Theorized I was the fatemaker
3) Said I had to be lying about my mystery prize
4) Tried to get me to name the 2 people I PMed

because the spies wanted that info to hunt me down.
spies4Summer (12:42:48 PM): Could you look through your conversations to see who questioned or tried to implicate Candy from that?
spies4kip (12:42:59 PM): masak did
spies4kip (12:43:07 PM): i never really talked to leon before
spies4Summer (12:43:06 PM): Yes, he and I talked about it all the time
spies4Summer (12:43:22 PM): He was obsessed
spies4Summer (12:43:26 PM): Candy was 100% right about that
spies4kip (12:43:29 PM): ill check zander, but i dont think theres anything
spies4Summer (12:43:32 PM): And Damon?
spies4kip (12:43:41 PM): and damon too
spies4Summer (12:43:49 PM): One other thing while you're looking back
spies4Summer (12:44:24 PM): In episode 10 Candy PMed Faizah and told her that she didn't suspect Faizah and was going to try to get Hannah and me together to vote for someone else
spies4Summer (12:44:43 PM): She lied because she wanted Faizah to think she had a chance and to keep her updated on any plans
spies4Summer (12:45:08 PM): Did anyone try to talk you out of voting Faizah and voting for Leon instead?
spies4Summer (12:45:17 PM): That seems to be the target Faizah intended
spies4kip (12:45:27 PM): no one
spies4kip (12:45:30 PM): cept faizah
spies4Summer (12:45:33 PM): All right
spies4kip (12:45:39 PM): only thing i can think of close to that
spies4kip (12:45:51 PM): was zander saying we were all doing to faizah, what we did to cain
spies4kip (12:46:06 PM): then before exile he said it had to be faizah
spies4Summer (12:46:14 PM): Could you show me what he said?
spies4Summer (12:46:23 PM): Was it the day of exile or before that?
spies4Summer (12:46:37 PM): It became obvious after a while that Faizah was going to be exiled
spies4Summer (12:46:50 PM): So I'm interested in things that were said before that point
spies4kip (12:47:19 PM): before exile
spies4kip (12:47:37 PM): ill PM you
spies4Summer (12:47:42 PM): Thank you
spies4kip (12:48:14 PM): sent
spies4Summer (12:49:16 PM): spies4Zander (8:27:41 PM): Summer is blindly following Candy with whatever it takes
spies4Summer (12:49:20 PM): I rather resent that
spies4kip (12:49:39 PM): dont take what i said to heart, i was jsut agreeing with him
spies4Summer (12:49:44 PM):
spies4kip (12:49:58 PM): i dont really think that though
spies4Summer (12:50:12 PM): That's good to hear
spies4Summer (12:50:25 PM): I've tried to think things through myself, to not blindly follow anyone
spies4Summer (12:50:56 PM): And you're right about how he names Faizah but then says why it can't be her
spies4kip (12:51:07 PM): then names hannah
spies4kip (12:51:12 PM): who ne didnt name prior
spies4Summer (12:51:27 PM): Wow
spies4Summer (12:51:29 PM): Nice catch
spies4Summer (12:52:09 PM): He put the emotional choice of Damon first
spies4Summer (12:52:33 PM): The problem with Damon is there's very little evidence on him. If Damon is going to be exiled, it's going to be because either everyone else seems like a citizen or we become outraged at his inactivity
spies4kip (12:54:00 PM): damon plotted to vote candy out some
spies4kip (12:54:08 PM): but is that cuz he hates her, or cuz hes a spy?
spies4Summer (12:54:28 PM): I forgot about that
spies4Summer (12:54:55 PM): This is WIFOM territory, I suppose but I'm thinking about it so I'll type it out anyway
spies4Summer (12:55:27 PM): In episode 8 and 9 when the exile-Candy stirrings began Faizah never once said she suspected Candy
spies4Summer (12:56:21 PM): Candy was obviously not a Traditionalist spy
spies4Summer (12:56:29 PM): So would the other spy go along with the "I believe Candy" agenda and let Candy lead the movement to exile the last Traditionalist and be able to say "I told you so" when Candy turned up to be a citizen, or
spies4Summer (12:56:46 PM): Would they take the opposite position from Faizah to distance themselves
spies4Summer (12:56:48 PM): Total WIFOM
spies4kip (12:57:11 PM): zander did both
spies4Summer (12:57:13 PM): Did he?
spies4kip (12:57:16 PM): he was tight with candy
spies4kip (12:57:21 PM): but did his own thing
spies4kip (12:57:25 PM): like voting masaki all the time
spies4Summer (12:57:35 PM): It wasn't for as long as it seems
spies4Summer (12:57:42 PM): He only started voting Masaki in round 8
spies4Summer (12:57:51 PM): Masaki was exiled in round 9
spies4Summer (12:58:04 PM): He was a lone vote just once
spies4kip (12:58:39 PM): he makes it seem like he did it forever
spies4Summer (12:58:43 PM): I know, doesn't he?
spies4Summer (12:58:45 PM): But he didn't
spies4kip (12:59:15 PM): yeah, i dont have many convos with either before candy revealed
spies4kip (12:59:30 PM): damon sent me his entire observation thread though, in like episode 8
spies4kip (12:59:34 PM): lemme look at that
spies4Summer (12:59:33 PM): Well it's the opposite of the "spies use accusation votes" thing
spies4Summer (12:59:42 PM): You said that when accusation votes are used, a spy must be behind it
spies4Summer (12:59:50 PM): Zander swears he didn't accuse Masaki, ever
spies4kip (12:59:57 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:00:10 PM): And we know that in 9-1, the 3 accusation votes he used were from actual citizens: Gordy, Hannah, Candy
spies4Summer (1:00:19 PM): *he received were
spies4Summer (1:00:30 PM): He stayed clean then
spies4kip (1:00:54 PM): zander also has this bizarre defense that he thinks the spies are working together, so why would he target masaki so much if the yspies were working together
spies4kip (1:01:11 PM): we dont kno who accused the round prior though
spies4Summer (1:01:20 PM): He said he swears on his mother it wasn't him
spies4Summer (1:04:07 PM): I wonder why Zander voted for Grace when he posted this in episode 1: The debate over lynching inactives is always one that won't get solved. At the same time that inactives only help the spies, it's also basically a waste of an exile unless that inactive player happens to be a spy.
spies4kip (1:04:20 PM): but yeah, the reason i dont suspect damon, is that from the thread he sent me, he lists reasons why faizah could be a spy
spies4kip (1:04:32 PM): along with every other player
spies4Summer (1:04:55 PM): One of the reasons I don't suspect Damon is he voted Beverly over Naomi in round 5
spies4Summer (1:05:14 PM): In my conversations with Faizah in rounds 4, 5, and 6, she was foaming at the mouth to exile Naomi
spies4Summer (1:05:26 PM): Since she KNEW Naomi was a spy
spies4Summer (1:05:38 PM): Damon never mentions it
spies4Summer (1:05:49 PM): Perhaps he's more patient
spies4kip (1:06:24 PM): zander voted martha
spies4kip (1:06:27 PM): then grace
spies4kip (1:06:33 PM): and naomi over bev
spies4Summer (1:06:42 PM): Yes
spies4Summer (1:06:52 PM): There are some things we know the last Orthodoxy spy did
spies4Summer (1:06:54 PM): I'm going to post this
spies4Summer (1:07:41 PM): - They knew Naomi was a spy at or before episode IV
- They supported extra votes for Kip in exile 2 and Ralph in exile 3, but didn't actually vote for Kip or Ralph themselves

spies4Summer (1:07:54 PM): - They voted Angelica out in exile IV
- They either voted Naomi in exile VI or couldn't because of family restrictions
spies4kip (1:08:04 PM): zander voted you in exile 3
spies4Summer (1:08:04 PM): - They voted for Masaki at one point in exile IX
- They voted Masaki in the revote of exile 9
- They voted for Faizah in exile X
spies4kip (1:08:07 PM): not ralph
spies4Summer (1:08:08 PM): Zander wasted his vote
spies4Summer (1:08:12 PM): And told Madison to do the same
spies4Summer (1:08:15 PM): So Ralph could be exiled
spies4Summer (1:08:19 PM): They were all in the same family at the time
spies4kip (1:08:29 PM): k
spies4Summer (1:08:33 PM): He wanted Ralph exiled.
spies4Summer (1:09:08 PM): So this Orthodoxy spy would appear to be a citizen all around - they voted for 2 Traditionalist and 2 Orthodoxy spies.
spies4Summer (1:09:22 PM): Successfully exiled, I mean
spies4kip (1:09:28 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:10:09 PM): You're the only person to vote for an Orthodoxy spy more than twice
spies4Summer (1:10:22 PM): Good job
spies4Summer (1:10:41 PM): You know who has the best voting record, surprisingly?
spies4kip (1:10:48 PM): really?
spies4Summer (1:11:03 PM): Yes, old Kip voted for Faizah
spies4kip (1:11:06 PM): oh lol
spies4Summer (1:11:14 PM): Leon has a great record
spies4Summer (1:11:17 PM): It's actually amazing
spies4Summer (1:11:23 PM): He's voted for a spy 70% of the time
spies4kip (1:11:53 PM): lol
spies4Summer (1:11:53 PM): No one else is even close
spies4kip (1:12:16 PM): depends on who the last spy is
spies4Summer (1:12:19 PM): No, it doesn't
spies4kip (1:12:26 PM): cuz a lot of people voted for leon before
spies4Summer (1:12:28 PM): Because no one's voted for Damon or Zander
spies4Summer (1:12:30 PM): Ah
spies4kip (1:12:38 PM): if hes a spy, players voting % will jump up
spies4Summer (1:13:04 PM): The only person who has voted for Damon all game is Naomi
spies4Summer (1:13:12 PM): No one has voted Zander all game
spies4kip (1:13:13 PM): cuz i voted him twice before (leon)
spies4Summer (1:13:16 PM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (1:13:34 PM): and before faizahs votre she only had one
spies4Summer (1:13:42 PM): Well you have voted 11 times
spies4Summer (1:13:46 PM): 4 of those were for spies
spies4Summer (1:13:49 PM): If Leon is a spy you gain 2 more
spies4Summer (1:14:08 PM): You did have to waste your vote once
spies4Summer (1:14:26 PM): As did I
spies4Summer (1:14:40 PM): But overall your record is pretty good
spies4kip (1:14:52 PM): lol
spies4Summer (1:14:52 PM): You have received votes from the Orthodoxy spies twice
spies4Summer (1:14:57 PM): You were almost exiled for it once
spies4Summer (1:15:04 PM): And you're the only person to vote for them 3 times
spies4Summer (1:15:16 PM): My record is atrocious
spies4kip (1:15:22 PM): ><
spies4Summer (1:15:47 PM): I voted Hannah twice, Lloyd once, Cain once, and Ralph once
spies4Summer (1:16:23 PM): I know 2 citizens have voted for me, and Zander did
spies4Summer (1:16:45 PM): Oh and I voted you once
spies4Summer (1:16:46 PM):
spies4Summer (1:17:14 PM): So our voting records are about even
spies4kip (1:18:12 PM): but we're still here
spies4kip (1:18:19 PM): and catching spies
spies4kip (1:19:59 PM): we got a 66% chance of getting the spy on monday summer
spies4Summer (1:20:29 PM): 66?
spies4kip (1:20:32 PM): wait
spies4kip (1:20:36 PM): that doesnt make sense
spies4kip (1:20:45 PM): 66% chance of getting the spy before the game ends
spies4kip (1:20:59 PM): cuz we got 2 tries, out of 3 people
spies4Summer (1:21:02 PM): I view it as 50-50
spies4Summer (1:21:05 PM): Between Damon and Zander
spies4Summer (1:21:26 PM): I also doubt both of us will make it through the next imprisonment if we miss this time
spies4kip (1:21:33 PM): true
spies4Summer (1:21:36 PM): You and I are the obvious imprisonment targets since we're not suspected
spies4kip (1:21:42 PM): it'll be leon, one of us, damon/zander
spies4Summer (1:21:57 PM): Yes
spies4Summer (1:22:03 PM): So let's be right on Monday
spies4kip (1:22:08 PM):
spies4Summer (1:22:17 PM): Are you okay with focusing most of the effort on Damon-Zander?
spies4kip (1:22:25 PM): yea
spies4Summer (1:22:30 PM): I'm not going to neglect Leon
spies4Summer (1:22:36 PM): But I don't think he's our best shot at winning
spies4kip (1:22:42 PM): kk
spies4Summer (1:22:42 PM): Sam said that there's no time to do A B and C anymore
spies4Summer (1:22:47 PM): And he's right
spies4kip (1:23:06 PM): we gotta pick a name and stick with it
spies4Summer (1:23:16 PM): I agree
spies4Summer (1:23:23 PM): Candy obviously agrees as well
spies4kip (1:23:36 PM): yep
spies4Summer (1:24:56 PM): I'm working on the burg posts
spies4Summer (1:25:02 PM): I've already covered pages 7-10
spies4kip (1:25:12 PM): wow
spies4Summer (1:25:13 PM): I'm working in order, so I have to start at the end
spies4Summer (1:25:15 PM): I know, it's a LOT
spies4Summer (1:25:32 PM): I'm through I think episodes 1-3 and a bit of 4
spies4Summer (1:25:47 PM): One thing I've noticed is that Zander stays out of specific game talk
spies4Summer (1:25:56 PM): Most of his posts are general ... what's a good word for it
spies4Summer (1:26:09 PM): Light talk
spies4Summer (1:26:11 PM): Generic stuff
spies4Summer (1:26:19 PM): For example
spies4Summer (1:26:24 PM): He never posted his top 5 choices for the investigation
spies4kip (1:26:32 PM): he doesnt get involved a lot
spies4Summer (1:26:35 PM): There was a thread for "name your suspects" that several people posted in, and he didn't
spies4kip (1:26:39 PM): like faizah did
spies4Summer (1:26:57 PM): Yes, she was empty too most of the time
spies4Summer (1:27:16 PM): Looking back, it was so apparent she was a spy when you compare her mini mafia technique to her spies gameplay
spies4Summer (1:27:24 PM): Zander was a spy in the mini mafia game
spies4Summer (1:27:29 PM): He did nothing there as well
spies4Summer (1:27:31 PM): He was easily defeated
spies4kip (1:27:45 PM): a cover?
spies4kip (1:28:02 PM): "ill suck as mafia so people dont suspect me"
spies4kip (1:28:04 PM): ?
spies4Summer (1:28:10 PM): He did make a show of saying he sucked afterwards
spies4Summer (1:28:35 PM): But out of 4 pages of posts in the burg, he never mentions who he suspects, who he trusts, who he wanted to be investigated
spies4Summer (1:28:40 PM): At all.
spies4Summer (1:29:12 PM): His posts are like this:
spies4Summer (1:29:14 PM): I think people are just starting to take things they hear in passing and run with them way too much. If we don't have original thoughts or learn how to take things in stride, we're not going to win this guys. Everyone needs to open their mouth, and everyone needs to have open ears.

spies4kip (1:29:56 PM): the only time he really targetting someone was masaki
spies4Summer (1:30:52 PM): Exactly
spies4Summer (1:31:02 PM): Well
spies4Summer (1:31:04 PM): One other time
spies4Summer (1:31:09 PM): He targeted Naomi
spies4Summer (1:31:30 PM): His PM alliance with Hannah, that included Candy, Cain, Beverly, Faizah, Gordy, and Singe
spies4Summer (1:31:36 PM): He formed it right after Angelica was exiled
spies4Summer (1:32:09 PM): Namely, right after Angelica said her spies were not going to use their imprisonment on Naomi
spies4kip (1:32:20 PM): maybe masaki was an ortho invesigation
spies4kip (1:32:31 PM): like naomi
spies4Summer (1:32:41 PM): I didn't think of that
spies4Summer (1:32:45 PM): Maybe.
spies4kip (1:32:58 PM): and they didnt want to spill it out in public
spies4kip (1:35:45 PM): that might be a stretch though
spies4Summer (1:37:21 PM): I'm going to go to the cafeteria and grab some lunch
spies4Summer (1:37:31 PM): Will you be on later?
spies4Summer (1:37:43 PM): I want to catch Candy at least one more time before imprisonment
spies4kip (1:37:57 PM): i will be gone tonight
spies4Summer (1:38:00 PM): All right
spies4kip (1:38:04 PM): what time is imp?
spies4Summer (1:38:08 PM): 9 PM CST
spies4kip (1:38:14 PM): yeah i wont be here
spies4Summer (1:38:20 PM): Have a good time tonight
spies4kip (1:38:21 PM): if it was 10, i might
spies4Summer (1:38:25 PM): Well you know Sam
spies4Summer (1:38:29 PM): He won't post it until 9:30 ish
spies4kip (1:38:30 PM): lol true
spies4Summer (1:38:46 PM): But let's definitely talk before Monday
spies4kip (1:38:48 PM): ill be on for a couple hours still though
spies4Summer (1:38:50 PM): All right
spies4Summer (1:38:53 PM): Bye Kip
spies4kip (1:38:57 PM): bye summer

[Summer]

spies4damon (2:48:04 PM): Hello Summer!
spies4Summer (2:48:11 PM): Hi Damon!
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spies4Summer (2:48:19 PM): I didn't know you were here or I would have IMed you
spies4damon (2:48:22 PM): How was your weekend?
spies4damon (2:48:37 PM): I'm only somewhat here. Getting ready for bed. Even though it's almost 9 LOL
spies4Summer (2:48:55 PM): My weekend so far has been very hectic, between papers and studying for finals, but I am taking a moment to relax and get my time for spies in
spies4Summer (2:49:00 PM): How was your weekend?
spies4damon (2:49:40 PM): It was good. Easy day yesterday and was in Germany today.
spies4damon (2:49:58 PM): Obviously I'm very tired which is why I was preparing to go to bed. But since I so rarely talk to you I thoght I could put it off for a while longer.
spies4Summer (2:50:37 PM): Well thank you for saving some Summer time for me
spies4Summer (2:50:46 PM): I'm very flattered
spies4Summer (2:50:57 PM): I guess we all saw Candy's imprisonment coming
spies4damon (2:51:06 PM): She certainly did.
spies4Summer (2:51:06 PM): I wish I had a chance to talk to her before she left but we did PM back and forth
spies4damon (2:51:17 PM): We chatted last night about the impending Imprisonment.
spies4damon (2:51:29 PM): Civilly too, I was very proud of us.
spies4Summer (2:51:26 PM): Did she go gracefully or was she angry?
spies4Summer (2:51:30 PM): Wow
spies4damon (2:51:41 PM): Quite graceful. I was impressed. Don't tell her that
spies4Summer (2:52:01 PM): i won't!
spies4damon (2:52:12 PM): LOL
spies4damon (2:52:36 PM): As far as I'm concerned it comes down to Leon or Zander. As far as Candy was concerned it comes down to Zander or me. I don't know what you, Leon or Kip are thinking at this moment.
spies4Summer (2:52:37 PM): So now that she and Singe aren't here, we're in control of the exile ... I'm excited that someone else gets a chance to prove themselves
spies4damon (2:52:59 PM): I would have to agree with that assessment.
spies4damon (2:53:03 PM): It's time for ust to step in and steal the show.
spies4Summer (2:53:07 PM): Well I'm still dubious about Leon
spies4Summer (2:53:11 PM): I've looked over his voting record
spies4Summer (2:53:16 PM): He's voted for spies 70% of the time
spies4Summer (2:53:22 PM): He's received voting penalties twice
spies4Summer (2:53:40 PM): And Faizah tried to set him up
spies4Summer (2:53:43 PM): I don't think he's our last spy
spies4damon (2:53:56 PM): You know what I was beginning to wonder? No chance to chase this myself but I'll look in the morning. Could it be likely that he accepted the penalties during a vote that could've given something or anything away?
spies4Summer (2:54:10 PM): Well the first time was for not posting conversations
spies4damon (2:54:23 PM): After speaking to Candy and seeing what she posted against Zander he is who I'm lenaing towards. But I'm still questioning Leon.
spies4Summer (2:54:24 PM): The second time was for not voting and not posting conversations
spies4Summer (2:54:38 PM): How long does it take you to vote, Damon?
spies4Summer (2:54:45 PM): I always vote right after imprisonment, just in case
spies4Summer (2:54:55 PM): If I was a spy I would still do the same thing
spies4Summer (2:54:59 PM): You can always change your vote
spies4damon (2:55:03 PM): I usually post a vote sometime during the day it's due.
spies4damon (2:55:10 PM): Precisely
spies4Summer (2:55:19 PM): I think Leon is a careless citizen
spies4Summer (2:55:35 PM): So my vote this episode will not be for him
spies4Summer (2:55:39 PM): Unless something drastic happens
spies4Summer (2:55:49 PM): I also think voting for Kip would be very foolish
spies4Summer (2:56:01 PM): Faizah almost exiled him, twice
spies4damon (2:56:08 PM): I've marked Kip as a confirmed Citizen in my Journal.
spies4Summer (2:56:18 PM): So for me it is between you and Zander, but I am very heavily leaning towards Zander.
spies4damon (2:56:23 PM): And I've been trusting him since our last families.
spies4Summer (2:56:28 PM): Yes, I've trusted him as well
spies4Summer (2:56:35 PM): I really regretted voting for him in exile 9-2
spies4Summer (2:56:57 PM): I read your post on Zander
spies4Summer (2:57:03 PM): I think there's a lot to say about how much fluff he posts
spies4damon (2:57:14 PM): I thought so too.
spies4Summer (2:57:17 PM): I've reviewed the last 5 pages of the burg - I'm working from the beginning
spies4Summer (2:57:20 PM): ALL of his posts are fluff
spies4Summer (2:57:22 PM): ALL of them
spies4damon (2:57:30 PM): I was going to do a more in depth post analysis tomorrow if I had the time at work. But I wanted to answer Candy's ppints against me first.
spies4Summer (2:57:35 PM): Remember the "Post who you'd investigate" thread?
spies4Summer (2:57:41 PM): He didn't say who he'd investigate
spies4damon (2:57:44 PM): He never posted anyone.
spies4damon (2:57:47 PM): Candy brought this up last night too.
spies4Summer (2:57:47 PM): The "Post who you suspect" thread? Never
spies4Summer (2:57:51 PM): Well it's true
spies4damon (2:58:01 PM): I know. It's true and it's a big point.
spies4damon (2:58:21 PM): All I have when it comes to Zander is the Burg stuff. I had like 2 conversations with him otherwise.
spies4Summer (2:58:47 PM): That's all?


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spies4Summer (2:58:51 PM): He's been very approachable
spies4damon (2:59:16 PM): But not online the same times as me.
spies4damon (2:59:27 PM): The time zone takes a much harder toll than I thought it would.
spies4Summer (3:00:38 PM): I'm sorry to hear that
spies4damon (3:00:44 PM): I've missed you a lot too.
spies4Summer (3:00:52 PM): Emotionally?
spies4damon (3:01:09 PM): For a while it literally was Masaki, Kip and Singe. And that was it. Then a little of Candy when I could tolerate her, which was really this round only, and now I'm startin to see more people crop up.
spies4damon (3:01:23 PM): Emotionally and physically. I dream about your blue eyes every night.
spies4Summer (3:01:28 PM): Oh my goodness!
spies4Summer (3:01:44 PM): I'm glad that we get to talk now and then
spies4Summer (3:01:53 PM): Have you talked to Kip or Leon at all about this exile?
spies4damon (3:02:05 PM): Kip, a few nights ago, was leaning towards Zander as well.
spies4damon (3:02:23 PM): Hopefully we can get everyone to agree but if there's a split and you, Kip and I vote Zander that could be enough.
spies4Summer (3:02:39 PM): I agree
spies4Summer (3:02:57 PM): My biggest worry is that we'll be set on Zander for today and then at the last minute tomorrow we'll flop
spies4damon (3:03:19 PM): My last minute tomorrow will likely be around 6pm EST
spies4Summer (3:03:19 PM): But so far there haven't been any last minute rushes ... except for the Masaki blindside ... so this could be an unfounded fear
spies4Summer (3:03:29 PM): Are you not going to come to the exile?
spies4damon (3:03:37 PM): I'll wake up for it.
spies4damon (3:03:48 PM): But I try to set my alarm close enough to the actually time LOL
spies4Summer (3:03:46 PM): Could you try to be there 20 minutes earlier?
spies4damon (3:04:01 PM): Sam even suggested I wait 20 minutes into Exile to sign on. He said he would IM me "Finale" or "Not".
spies4Summer (3:03:59 PM): I don't envy your position
spies4damon (3:04:16 PM): I can try but I can't promise that my body will react favorably.
spies4Summer (3:05:10 PM): Mine certainly wouldn't.
spies4Summer (3:05:46 PM): You don't seem that concerned
spies4damon (3:05:59 PM): I wish someone had ability to text internationally but it's not a big deal. I woke up for the last knowing it was the Finale and went back to sleep dissapointed and cursing. This time I'm feeling comfident again.
spies4damon (3:06:05 PM): Concerned?
spies4Summer (3:08:08 PM): About exile
spies4Summer (3:08:16 PM): And yourself
spies4Summer (3:08:33 PM): But I don't think you're as emotionally involved in this game as most of the others are
spies4damon (3:09:50 PM): I have faithi n you and Kip to make educated decisions. AT this point there's not much more I can do to prove that I'm a Citizen. I'll make my ppints in the morning but I know I am and I just have to have faith in my own game play to this point that it'll help prove it to me. I'm confident that Znader or Leon are the last Spies. If not that means it's you or Kip and I don't see that being the case. And generally speaking I'm a really laid back person and I don't become emotionally involved in much. Even with real life activities. Probably why my relationships never last.
spies4Summer (3:11:01 PM): Well that's very honest


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spies4Summer (3:11:16 PM): I appreciate that
spies4damon (3:11:41 PM): There's no reason to hide anything and I never have intentionally hidden anything throughout the game so why start now?
spies4Summer (3:13:10 PM): I did have something I wanted to ask
spies4Summer (3:13:21 PM): Did anyone try to talk you into not voting Faizah in episode 10?
spies4damon (3:14:06 PM): In 10? Besides Faizah? No. I'll go double check my Journal but nothing jumpd out at me.
spies4damon (3:14:11 PM): Let me go look .
spies4Summer (3:14:54 PM): Thank you
spies4damon (3:16:28 PM): Converations with Singe.. Singe again... agian.. Faizah (of course tried to pin it on Leon).. with Kip.. Candy...Singe... Candy...Kip.... Singe.... You.... Zander (who claimed to have his vote on Faizah for a while) and Singe
spies4Summer (3:17:19 PM): So only Faizah herself?
spies4damon (3:17:36 PM): Yup.
spies4Summer (3:18:11 PM): One more question
spies4Summer (3:18:29 PM): What was your take on Naomi back in episodes 4 5 and 6?
spies4damon (3:19:02 PM): Let me review again. I don't want to give you any hindsite commentaries.
spies4Summer (3:19:06 PM): Thank you!
spies4damon (3:19:54 PM): If you had asked any of this before I would've given it too. I've never held back information when it was requested. I just never have been able to formulate "good" posts with it.
spies4damon (3:20:01 PM): 4/5/6 right?
spies4Summer (3:20:23 PM): Yes
spies4damon (3:21:26 PM): Cain ("Why was Lloyd imprisoned?", initial post) makes some good points about why the Spies would worry themselves over Lloyd. It seems too obvious though but I have to look at the list that Cain posted - the list who Lloyd was suspicious against:
Madison+
Kip+
Ralph+
Naomi+
Zander+
Candy+
spies4damon (3:21:31 PM): This is from my Observation Thread
spies4damon (3:21:43 PM): Noami's offense and defense is quite shotty at the moment. It's going a little haywire and I feel like she's turning wheels in mud and losing traction.
Naomi+++
spies4Summer (3:22:22 PM): Thank you
spies4Summer (3:22:34 PM): I ask because the Orthodoxy spies knew Naomi was a spy
spies4Summer (3:23:08 PM): And the people who made Exile 5 (Beverly v. Naomi) about Naomi's status rather than Beverly are the ones who are more likely to be spies
spies4Summer (3:24:00 PM): For example, Faizah who told Candy that she heavily suspected Beverly, but then voted Naomi instead
spies4Summer (3:24:18 PM): Zander seemed very sure at the time that Naomi was a spy and voted accordingly
spies4Summer (3:24:24 PM): You didn't focus on Naomi
spies4Summer (3:24:27 PM): You focused on Beverly
spies4damon went away at 3:30:35 PM.
spies4damon went away at 3:30:51 PM.
spies4Summer (3:30:51 PM): Sorry Damon, I lost my connection
spies4Summer (3:30:56 PM): I do know that you wanted to go to bed though
spies4Summer (3:31:00 PM): So if you have already left, good night!
spies4damon (3:31:05 PM): It's OK
spies4damon (3:31:07 PM): I sent you a PM
spies4damon (3:31:13 PM): Can I answer you any more questions?
spies4Summer (3:31:19 PM): Did you receive anything I wrote?
spies4damon (3:31:27 PM): Nope
spies4Summer (3:31:25 PM): What was the last thing you saw?
spies4damon (3:31:32 PM): Thank you
spies4Summer (3:31:41 PM): spies4Summer (3:22:34 PM): I ask because the Orthodoxy spies knew Naomi was a spy
spies4Summer (3:31:46 PM): spies4Summer (3:23:08 PM): And the people who made Exile 5 (Beverly v. Naomi) about Naomi's status rather than Beverly are the ones who are more likely to be spies
spies4Summer (3:31:50 PM): spies4Summer (3:24:00 PM): For example, Faizah who told Candy that she heavily suspected Beverly, but then voted Naomi instead
spies4Summer (3:31:53 PM): spies4Summer (3:24:18 PM): Zander seemed very sure at the time that Naomi was a spy and voted accordingly
spies4Summer (3:31:56 PM): spies4Summer (3:24:24 PM): You didn't focus on Naomi
spies4Summer (3:31:59 PM): spies4Summer (3:24:27 PM): You focused on Beverly
spies4Summer (3:32:04 PM): And you voted for her
spies4damon (3:32:16 PM): I focused on stupid Bev since 2 LOL
spies4Summer (3:32:18 PM): *Giggle*
spies4Summer (3:32:26 PM): Well Zander and Faizah were VERY eager to exile Naomi
spies4Summer (3:32:32 PM): And you seemed to have questioned her status


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spies4damon (3:32:46 PM): But I wasn't yet ready to axe her.
spies4Summer (3:32:54 PM): Well looking at Faizah, the Orthodoxy spies were
spies4Summer (3:33:13 PM): What I'm saying is, this doesn't make you look like a spy
spies4damon (3:33:51 PM): That's something to keep in mind. I think I'm coming to like these one on one discussions because it's obvious that I've gone straight to my Journal to pull all of this out without doctoring it up.
spies4damon (3:34:04 PM): I hate it when someone posts a whole bunch of converations as their alibi.
spies4Summer (3:34:16 PM): So do I
spies4Summer (3:34:21 PM): First, it's against the rules
spies4Summer (3:34:24 PM): But also, it's easy to fake
spies4damon (3:34:34 PM): Point and point.
spies4Summer (3:34:45 PM): I could show you the chat that I had with Gordy and Angelica where I brought up Faizah and Angelica refused to discuss it
spies4Summer (3:34:57 PM): And then I could show you how I panicked in my confessional because I was sure that Angelica and Gordy had to be spies as well
spies4Summer (3:35:10 PM): But you could say "It could be faked"
spies4Summer (3:35:12 PM): So what's the point?
spies4damon (3:35:42 PM): It stil could be faked but it would take an aful lot of preparation and thought to go and do that much faking if you're giving it to me right when I ask for it
spies4damon (3:37:45 PM): But right now that's the least of my worries. I should get to bed. I got no sleep last night and have been up since 5.30am
spies4Summer (3:37:48 PM): All right
spies4Summer (3:37:51 PM): It was good to talk to you
spies4Summer (3:37:54 PM): Good night Damon
spies4Summer (3:38:03 PM): Vote now okay?
spies4Summer (3:38:06 PM): You can always change it later
spies4damon (3:38:27 PM): I'll do it while I post this conversation.
spies4Summer (3:38:44 PM): All right
spies4damon (3:39:55 PM): All voted. I'll talk to you tomorrow I hope.
spies4Summer (3:41:47 PM): I hope so too. Good night!

[Summer]

spies4kip (3:58:42 PM): hi summer
spies4Summer (3:58:47 PM): Kip!
spies4Summer (3:58:49 PM): Hello
spies4kip (3:58:58 PM): how are you?
spies4Summer (3:59:14 PM): Between finals and papers I'm feeling very stressed
spies4kip (3:59:24 PM): ><
spies4Summer (3:59:23 PM): Who would have guessed this game would be an outlet for it?
spies4kip (3:59:30 PM): haha
spies4Summer (3:59:30 PM): Considering it's such a stressful game ...
spies4Summer (3:59:37 PM): How are you?
spies4kip (3:59:43 PM): very stressful
spies4Summer (3:59:42 PM): How was your wild night on the town?
spies4kip (4:00:06 PM): i didnt have a night on the town lol i wish though
spies4Summer (4:00:57 PM): Oh
spies4Summer (4:01:04 PM): That's a letdown
spies4Summer (4:01:08 PM): I was expecting stories
spies4kip (4:01:31 PM): lol
spies4kip (4:01:41 PM): did candy leave you anything?
spies4Summer (4:02:44 PM): She didn't PM me last night
spies4Summer (4:02:51 PM): She did leave a lot in the exile XII suspicions thread
spies4kip (4:02:58 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (4:03:03 PM): I talked to Damon about half an hour ago
spies4kip (4:03:07 PM): she told me she had stuff to post, so i guess that was it
spies4kip (4:03:14 PM): what'd he say?
spies4Summer (4:03:33 PM): He said that he is voting for Zander or Leon but he is leaning Zander
spies4Summer (4:03:45 PM): I asked him about what he thought about Naomi in episodes 4 5 and 6
spies4Summer (4:03:55 PM): Namely because the Orthodoxy spies would not be questioning her alignment then
spies4kip (4:04:05 PM): yea
spies4Summer (4:04:03 PM): He IMed me something that looks like he was
spies4Summer (4:04:21 PM): Cain ("Why was Lloyd imprisoned?", initial post) makes some good points about why the Spies would worry themselves over Lloyd. It seems too obvious though but I have to look at the list that Cain posted - the list who Lloyd was suspicious against:
Madison+
Kip+
Ralph+
Naomi+
Zander+
Candy+
spies4Summer (4:04:27 PM): spies4damon (3:21:31 PM): This is from my Observation Thread
spies4Summer (4:04:34 PM): Noami's offense and defense is quite shotty at the moment. It's going a little haywire and I feel like she's turning wheels in mud and losing traction.
Naomi+++
spies4Summer (4:05:29 PM): spies4damon (3:09:50 PM): I have faithi n you and Kip to make educated decisions. AT this point there's not much more I can do to prove that I'm a Citizen. I'll make my ppints in the morning but I know I am and I just have to have faith in my own game play to this point that it'll help prove it to me. I'm confident that Znader or Leon are the last Spies. If not that means it's you or Kip and I don't see that being the case.
spies4Summer (4:06:01 PM): He also says he dreams of my blue eyes every night
spies4kip (4:09:11 PM): hrmmm
spies4kip (4:09:22 PM): lemme check the observations he sent me
spies4kip (4:11:20 PM): those two clips are word for wrod what he sent me
spies4Summer (4:12:19 PM): Is that good or bad or neither?
spies4kip (4:12:43 PM): means he didnt fake them
spies4kip (4:12:51 PM): and they're really in his confessional
spies4Summer (4:13:40 PM): This almost seems like it's too easy
spies4Summer (4:13:52 PM): ... yay?
spies4kip (4:15:40 PM): sorry i was cross referencing everything damon told me
spies4kip (4:15:48 PM): cuz he listed dates for everything
spies4kip (4:16:03 PM): i was gonna see if players were eliminated before he made his comments
spies4kip (4:16:10 PM): it does kinda seem easy though
spies4Summer (4:17:01 PM): I'll accept it
spies4kip (4:18:40 PM): yeah
spies4kip (4:18:48 PM): right now i think zander......... then leon
spies4Summer (4:18:53 PM): I agree
spies4Summer (4:18:59 PM): Not as much with Leon
spies4kip (4:19:06 PM): yea
spies4Summer (4:19:04 PM): The gap between Zander and everyone else is HUGE
spies4kip (4:20:21 PM): theres just so much on him right now
spies4Summer (4:21:38 PM): I am going to post my vote in my confessional
spies4Summer (4:21:40 PM): 1 moment
spies4Summer (4:22:41 PM): What does the writing under Damon's name mean? I never asked
spies4kip (4:24:02 PM): i think its dutch
spies4kip (4:24:11 PM): cuz thats where hes from (i thino)
spies4kip (4:24:13 PM): thin*
spies4kip (4:24:16 PM): thinkkkkkkkkk hahah
spies4kip (4:24:21 PM): but i dunno what it means
spies4Summer (4:24:26 PM): I wonder if I'll see him before the finale to ask
spies4Summer (4:24:37 PM): He said he's going to sign on immediately before ...
spies4Summer (4:24:43 PM): I asked him if he could at least be there 20 minutes ahead of time
spies4Summer (4:24:48 PM): But I don't blame him since it's so late his time
spies4kip (4:28:18 PM): finale is tomorrow night right?
spies4kip (4:28:35 PM): i dont think ill make it
spies4kip (4:28:37 PM):
spies4kip (4:28:51 PM): im always busy on monday nights now
spies4Summer (4:30:38 PM): Oh no
spies4Summer (4:30:45 PM): You're going to miss the finale?
spies4kip (4:30:50 PM): it means 'Do not screw with me!'
spies4kip (4:31:06 PM): in dutch
spies4Summer (4:31:27 PM): Oh my gosh
spies4Summer (4:31:29 PM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (4:31:42 PM): and his away message is 'gone'
spies4kip (4:31:43 PM): lol
spies4Summer (4:32:16 PM): Dutch translator?
spies4kip (4:32:31 PM): yeah
spies4kip (4:32:34 PM): online
spies4Summer (4:33:36 PM): Zander should be back sometime tonight
spies4Summer (4:33:39 PM): I'm interested to see what he'll do
spies4kip (4:33:43 PM): yep
spies4kip (4:33:49 PM): it'll be fun
spies4Summer (4:33:50 PM): What do you think he'll do?
spies4kip (4:34:04 PM): throw suspicion on damon or leon
spies4Summer (4:34:15 PM): I think most of it will be "How is this suspicious?" defenses of him with a bunch of quotes, plus casting suspicion on Damon
spies4Summer (4:34:29 PM): But if he is smart, he will target me
spies4Summer (4:34:32 PM): Don't tell him I said that
spies4kip (4:34:44 PM): why would that be smart?
spies4Summer (4:34:52 PM): Because if he says Damon, then Damon will vote for him
spies4kip (4:34:58 PM): true
spies4kip (4:35:01 PM): same with leon
spies4Summer (4:35:01 PM): If he targets me, then Damon can vote WITH him
spies4kip (4:35:04 PM): so me or you then lol
spies4Summer (4:35:14 PM): And he obviously wouldn't pick you
spies4kip (4:35:21 PM): why?
spies4Summer (4:35:35 PM): Because of Faizah's nearly exiling you in episode 9
spies4Summer (4:35:38 PM): Twice
spies4kip (4:36:04 PM): ah
spies4kip (4:38:13 PM): im tired
spies4Summer (4:38:49 PM): I do need a nap
spies4Summer (4:39:01 PM): Will you PM me if anything changes?
spies4Summer (4:39:09 PM): For now we're telling Leon to vote Zander, right?
spies4kip (4:39:16 PM): i work tonight
spies4kip (4:39:28 PM): leaving in 20
spies4kip (4:39:37 PM): back around 11est
spies4kip (4:39:53 PM): but yeah vote for zander is good
spies4kip (4:39:58 PM): its perfect
spies4Summer (4:40:10 PM): I really hope we're right ... and I think we are
spies4Summer (4:40:26 PM): Have a "good time" at work Kip
spies4kip (4:40:30 PM): yah
spies4kip (4:40:35 PM): hahahhahahahhah good time at work
spies4kip (4:40:38 PM): so funny summer
spies4Summer (4:40:41 PM): *Giggle*
spies4kip (4:40:48 PM): have fun doing homework and essays
spies4Summer (4:41:35 PM): Oh ... I can't imagine having a better time doing anything else
spies4Summer (4:41:38 PM):
spies4kip (4:41:43 PM):
spies4Summer (4:41:45 PM): Bye!
spies4kip (4:41:50 PM): bye

[Summer]

spies4Summer (10:45:15 PM): Hello Zander
spies4Zander (10:45:45 PM): Hey
spies4Summer (10:46:05 PM): Welcome back
spies4Zander (10:46:26 PM): Thanks
spies4Zander (10:46:29 PM): how has everything been?
spies4Summer (10:47:07 PM): Very low-key
spies4Summer (10:47:17 PM): I didn't get a chance to talk to Candy before she left
spies4Summer (10:47:27 PM): I have talked a bit with the others
spies4Summer (10:47:41 PM): This is probably none of my business, but is everything all right?
spies4Summer (10:48:02 PM): We've all been worried about you
spies4Zander (10:48:35 PM): I had a friend get into an accident
spies4Zander (10:48:38 PM): I had to attend his funeral
spies4Zander (10:48:41 PM): but other than that it's fine
spies4Summer (10:49:26 PM): Oh no
spies4Summer (10:49:30 PM): That's so horrible
spies4Summer (10:49:41 PM): I'm really sorry Zander and you have my sympathies
spies4Zander (10:49:56 PM): Part of me wanted to just like... quit. But why should I do that
spies4Summer (10:50:09 PM): This is a game. It isn't important.
spies4Zander (10:50:21 PM): Cause I have like very low interest in the game right now, I'm probably not going to be much of a help at all with winning
spies4Zander (10:50:35 PM): but whatever, I'll do my best. It just came at a bad time I guess
spies4Summer (10:50:59 PM): Yes ... especially with the end of the school term and all the finals and papers that come with it
spies4Summer (10:51:14 PM): I feel depressed now ... I'm really sorry ...
spies4Zander (10:52:00 PM): well I'm sorry you're depressed lol
spies4Zander (10:52:03 PM): just don't worry about it
spies4Zander (10:52:08 PM): so thoughts on this exile?
spies4Zander (10:52:28 PM): Apparently it's Me or Damon ftw!
spies4Summer (10:52:41 PM): I'll try a half-hearted *giggle*
spies4Summer (10:52:55 PM): Essentially, yes
spies4Summer (10:52:59 PM): FTW.
spies4Zander (10:53:36 PM): well hopefully it's not me ftw cause then it's not ftw lol. If I'm wrong about Damon... I just honestly don't know
spies4Zander (10:53:57 PM): I really don't think that Leon is a spy... If I'm wrong... fail.
spies4Summer (10:54:53 PM): I don't think he is a spy as well. Perhaps I am just gullible but now is not the time to take risks on something I'm not as sure of.
spies4Zander (10:55:29 PM): mmhmm
spies4Zander (10:55:47 PM): Damon seemed to think Leon, but I would not be surprised if he voted for me to save himself
spies4Zander (10:56:05 PM): If he does make Final 3, do me a favor and avenge me, hah
spies4Summer (10:56:25 PM): This would assume I make it to the final 3 as well
spies4Zander (10:56:43 PM): Well you are not getting exiled, for sure
spies4Summer (10:56:42 PM): But it would be a logical choice
spies4Summer (10:56:49 PM): Candy was right
spies4Summer (10:56:55 PM): This does feel like Bunni's trial all over again
spies4Summer (10:57:00 PM): In regards to Damon, I mean
spies4Zander (10:57:38 PM): mmhmm
spies4Summer (10:58:03 PM): A vote for Damon wouldn't be because evidence incriminates him, but because there is a lack of incriminating evidence and that in of itself is suspicious
spies4Zander (10:58:41 PM): I had like this same conversation with Candy 4 days ago
spies4Summer (11:00:17 PM): Well she posted this in the burg
spies4Summer (11:00:22 PM): I'm saying I agree with her points
spies4Summer (11:01:07 PM): What do you think about Damon?
spies4Zander (11:02:03 PM): Well I mean, obviously he's my #1 suspect
spies4Zander (11:02:29 PM): I've seriously suspected him for a few weeks, but I still have nothing like... concrete to go on. And if he's a spy then that's the smartest thing he could do
spies4Summer (11:02:53 PM): Yes
spies4Zander (11:03:20 PM): But basically I've been looking for a while and still have nothing. Maybe it's cause I never talk to him... But my past conversations no one really mentions him at all
spies4Summer (11:03:40 PM): Speaking of past conversations, did anyone try to talk you out of voting for Faizah in exile X?
spies4Zander (11:04:02 PM): I don't understand why Candy was so sold on him, and that's something I was trying to look into
spies4Zander (11:04:05 PM): umm...
spies4Zander (11:04:10 PM): I really don't think so
spies4Zander (11:04:25 PM): if anyone said anything about it'd be Leon, he's the only one I really talked to before that exile
spies4Summer (11:04:31 PM): Because you were away
spies4Summer (11:04:38 PM): For Thanksgiving
spies4Summer (11:04:57 PM): I completely forgot you weren't there
spies4Zander (11:05:35 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (11:06:12 PM): This is going back
spies4Summer (11:06:21 PM): But why did you vote for Naomi over Beverly in episode V?
spies4Summer (11:06:28 PM): How did you feel about Naomi at the time?
spies4Zander (11:07:22 PM): At least from what I remember
spies4Zander (11:08:13 PM): I talked to Bev for about 4 hours the night before exile and she basically convinced me that there was no way her role didn't check out (clever) - before then Hannah and I had set up the little coalition and from what Hannah and I had both shared in chat, we were pretty much in agreement about Naomi
spies4Zander (11:09:25 PM): She was doing a great job at running around and acting like a citizen but she was afraid to spearhead anything. It was like "Look at me I'm great but I'm scared ahh!"... Certainly not the most suspicious thing in the world. But when you compare that with conversations I had with her, nothing really checked out - she was smart in private, but fluffy in large groups
spies4Zander (11:09:56 PM): and her conversations completely avoided the topic of Emma. When I mentioned it, she wouldn't comment and quickly brought up a new topic... I think she was afraid of even talking about her other spies except for Bev.
spies4Summer (11:11:23 PM): Oh wow I didn't know that
spies4Summer (11:13:09 PM): Were you hesitant about your vote?
spies4Zander (11:17:30 PM): For Naomi?
spies4Summer (11:17:35 PM): Yes
spies4Zander (11:17:40 PM): After Bev left or before?
spies4Summer (11:20:14 PM): Before
spies4Zander (11:22:09 PM): Umm...
spies4Zander (11:22:51 PM): I kind of was just because there was that little thing in the back of my head saying maybe Bev was lying, but I was like really really sure Bev wasn't
spies4Summer (11:23:18 PM): She was very persuasive.
spies4Zander (11:24:01 PM): As far as voting for Naomi, I knew that both were the big candidates and for me it seemed like 1. I was already suspicious of Naomi and 2. One of them basically had to be a spy because of their ridiculous fights and 3. If Bev really was a cit. with a role then it was valuable, so voting my higher suspect is clearly the smarter choice here
spies4Summer (11:26:02 PM): That makes sense
spies4Summer (11:26:17 PM): Thank you for answering my question
spies4Zander (1:18:55 AM): sorry I like disappeared for a while
spies4Summer (1:19:50 AM): It's all right
spies4Summer (1:20:05 AM): I felt like writing anyway so I wrote in my confessional
spies4Zander (1:20:23 AM): cool
spies4Zander (1:20:47 AM): I made a big post when I got back, kinda like... I dunno it was really contemplative and deep haha. And really unrelated to the game
spies4Summer (1:21:14 AM): That describes what I just wrote perfectly.
spies4Summer (1:21:39 AM): Mine reads more like a diary entry.
spies4Summer (1:22:01 AM): I look forward to reading yours after the game
spies4Zander (1:22:25 AM): I know, I really want to see what everyone, especially some of the spies thought
spies4Summer (1:23:03 AM): And how they plotted and manipulated
spies4Summer (1:23:28 AM): After GAS, I've wondered if Angelica thought she was manipulating me
spies4Zander (1:23:51 AM): gas?
spies4Summer (1:24:06 AM): That was the name of the Gordy-Angelica-Summer "alliance"
spies4Summer (1:24:17 AM): The three of us had a few group chats
spies4Zander (1:24:29 AM): ahh
spies4Summer (3:27:19 AM): Good night Zander. Again, I"m sorry to hear about your friend, I'm glad you're with us, and I'll talk to you tomorrow.

[Summer]

spies4kip (1:12:58 AM): hi summer
spies4Summer (1:15:33 AM): Hi Kip
spies4Summer (1:15:37 AM): You have excellent timing
spies4kip (1:15:50 AM): really?
spies4Summer (1:15:56 AM): I just hit "submit" on the confessional I finished writing
spies4Summer (1:16:50 AM): It was an introspective confessional though
spies4Summer (1:16:52 AM): Not really game related
spies4kip (1:17:03 AM): ooo
spies4kip (1:17:08 AM): im reading what zander posted
spies4Summer (1:17:07 AM): I'm almost embarassed that I wrote it because it reads more like a diary entry
spies4Summer (1:17:15 AM): All right
spies4kip (1:18:19 AM): hrmm he doesnt really defend himself to much
spies4Summer (1:18:36 AM): No
spies4Summer (1:18:43 AM): And I agree with your interpretation of the conversation, not his
spies4kip (1:20:45 AM): brb
spies4kip (1:32:46 AM): back
spies4Summer (1:33:04 AM): Hello again
spies4kip (1:33:15 AM): you talk to zander yet today?
spies4Summer (1:33:19 AM): Yes, earlier tonight
spies4kip (1:33:30 AM): he have anything good to say?
spies4Summer (1:33:30 AM): Let me reread because I've forgotten
spies4Summer (1:34:16 AM): He said that he had to leave for a funeral (that was really depressing) and he felt like quitting but he felt an obligation to continue
spies4kip (1:34:31 AM):
spies4Summer (1:34:35 AM): He recognizes that it's him or Damon
spies4Summer (1:35:04 AM): spies4Zander (11:02:03 PM): Well I mean, obviously he's my #1 suspect
spies4Zander (11:02:29 PM): I've seriously suspected him for a few weeks, but I still have nothing like... concrete to go on. And if he's a spy then that's the smartest thing he could do
spies4Summer (1:35:44 AM): It may be hypocritical to point this out, but why is Damon his #1 suspect if he has nothing concrete to go on?
spies4Summer (1:36:02 AM): Zander is my #1 suspect because I DO have concrete things to go on
spies4kip (1:36:06 AM): i dunno
spies4kip (1:36:11 AM): its really odd
spies4Summer (1:36:09 AM): Damon is #2, only because of process of elimination
spies4kip (1:36:19 AM): hes suspected him for weeks...
spies4kip (1:36:22 AM): yet has nothing?
spies4kip (1:36:33 AM): and he got mad cuz he thought we suspected faizah on nothing?
spies4Summer (1:36:37 AM): Which was not the case
spies4kip (1:36:56 AM): yea
spies4Summer (1:36:57 AM): He also says he never talks to Damon and in his past conversations no one mentions Damon
spies4kip (1:37:13 AM): lol
spies4Summer (1:37:11 AM): I then asked him the questions I've asked you, Leon, and Damon
spies4Summer (1:37:34 AM): I asked him if anyone tried to convince him to either note vote for Faizah, or to vote for someone else
spies4Summer (1:37:49 AM): spies4Zander (11:04:10 PM): I really don't think so
spies4Zander (11:04:25 PM): if anyone said anything about it'd be Leon, he's the only one I really talked to before that exile
spies4kip (1:38:06 AM): ...
spies4kip (1:38:13 AM): he posted on the board he talke dto me and singe
spies4kip (1:38:15 AM): in a chat
spies4kip (1:38:17 AM): amoung others
spies4kip (1:38:47 AM): and why would leon talk zander out of voting for faizah, faizah targetted leon
spies4Summer (1:39:05 AM):
It would make sense if there wasn't a lot of save Faizah activity since Zander wasn't even present for the exile (Thanksgiving, on a bus)
spies4Summer (1:39:23 AM): *Giggle* Didn't think of that
spies4Summer (1:40:03 AM): I also asked him about his feelings on Naomi around episodes 4 5 and 6
spies4Summer (1:40:28 AM): spies4Zander (11:24:01 PM): As far as voting for Naomi, I knew that both were the big candidates and for me it seemed like 1. I was already suspicious of Naomi and 2. One of them basically had to be a spy because of their ridiculous fights and 3. If Bev really was a cit. with a role then it was valuable, so voting my higher suspect is clearly the smarter choice here
spies4Summer (1:41:22 AM): He said he talked to Beverly for 3 to 4 hours after Candy revealed her investigation
spies4kip (1:41:42 AM): and bev talked him out of it
spies4kip (1:41:43 AM): yeah
spies4Summer (1:41:43 AM): And discussed other reasons why he suspected Naomi.
spies4Summer (1:41:50 AM): That's about it.
spies4kip (1:42:23 AM): i say its him lol
spies4Summer (1:42:31 AM): As do I
spies4Summer (1:43:44 AM): I'm going to stay online for a little longer but I'm finishing up a paper
spies4kip (1:43:55 AM): alright
spies4Summer (1:43:59 AM): That will have most of my attention, so you know.
spies4kip (1:45:46 AM): im kinda out of it anyway lol
spies4kip (1:45:49 AM): long day today

[Summer]

spies4Summer (7:24:39 PM): Hi Leon
spies4Leon (7:24:57 PM): Heya Summer
spies4Summer (7:25:11 PM): How are you?
spies4Leon (7:25:27 PM): Good, looking forward to exile tonight
spies4Leon (7:25:31 PM): cause I think we finally got it
spies4Summer (7:25:37 PM): ... Zander?
spies4Leon (7:25:43 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (7:25:52 PM): I'm really happy to hear that
spies4Summer (7:25:57 PM): I think we have it right too
spies4Summer (7:26:27 PM): I didn't like it when Damon called Zander inactive though.
spies4Leon (7:26:40 PM): I know lol
spies4Leon (7:26:46 PM): kind of hypocritical
spies4Summer (7:26:45 PM): I'm tempted to post something later about it.
spies4Leon (7:26:59 PM): I mean, if anyone, Damon is inactivre
spies4Summer (7:27:07 PM): Well it's simultanously hypocritical because Damon is the most inactive player left, and it's a lie because Zander actually isn't inactive
spies4Summer (7:27:24 PM): He's done a good job as a spy.
spies4Leon (7:27:44 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (7:29:34 PM): Have you talked to Zander today?
spies4Leon (7:31:27 PM): Not at all
spies4Summer (7:33:40 PM): Well ... okay
spies4Leon (7:34:15 PM): have you?
spies4Summer (7:34:25 PM): I did last night
spies4Leon (7:34:51 PM): ah, anything important?
spies4Summer (7:40:14 PM): No ... mostly guilt things
spies4Summer (7:40:30 PM): Also contradictory statements
spies4Summer (7:41:24 PM): One moment, I'm pulling it up
spies4Summer (7:42:19 PM): He talks about Damon here
spies4Summer (7:42:20 PM): spies4Zander (11:02:29 PM): I've seriously suspected him for a few weeks, but I still have nothing like... concrete to go on. And if he's a spy then that's the smartest thing he could do
spies4Summer (7:42:32 PM): He says he seriously suspects Damon
spies4Summer (7:42:37 PM): spies4Zander (11:03:20 PM): But basically I've been looking for a while and still have nothing. Maybe it's cause I never talk to him... But my past conversations no one really mentions him at all
spies4Summer (7:42:47 PM): spies4Zander (11:02:03 PM): Well I mean, obviously he's my #1 suspect
spies4Summer (7:43:06 PM): But then says that he looked and couldn't find any evidence on him and no one ever mentions him either
spies4Summer (7:43:41 PM): Which I interpreted as, he doesn't actually suspect Damon; he is just telling me he does in hopes I'll change my vote to Damon
spies4Leon (7:44:10 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (7:45:10 PM): He also said why he had to leave, and I felt really bad for him
spies4Summer (7:45:16 PM): I don't think his heart's in it right now
spies4Leon (7:45:46 PM): Why did he leave?
spies4Summer (7:45:56 PM): He attended the funeral of a friend who was in an accident
spies4Leon (7:46:11 PM): ah...
spies4Summer (7:46:12 PM): Poor guy
spies4Leon (7:47:05 PM): I know
spies4Leon (7:47:17 PM): this makes me feel even worse about exiling him, ergh...
spies4Summer (7:47:29 PM): Well hopefully we will have the finale tonight
spies4Summer (7:47:40 PM): And he'll be able to relax a little and talk to everyone
spies4Leon (7:48:06 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (7:48:16 PM): I'm sure everyone will have really nice things to say about him and he'll probably enjoy hearing them
spies4Leon (7:49:12 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (7:49:53 PM): Have you talked to Damon?
spies4Leon (7:50:23 PM): no, its weird, your the first person I've talked to all episode besides Candy
spies4Summer (7:50:41 PM): I didn't get to talk to Candy before she was imprisoned, unfortunately
spies4Summer (7:50:44 PM): What did she have to say/
spies4Summer (7:51:01 PM): We did PM though
spies4Leon (7:51:48 PM): mostly that I need to trust you and Kip (which I do), and to win it for the citz, and told me most of the things she posted about Zander
spies4Summer (7:52:29 PM): She did a great job.
spies4Leon (7:52:35 PM): yeah
spies4Summer (7:52:58 PM): I have to go Leon, but I will definitely be back well before exile
spies4Summer (7:53:12 PM): See you soon?
spies4Leon (7:53:15 PM): ok, ill talk to you later then
spies4Leon (7:53:17 PM): yep
spies4Summer (7:53:17 PM): All right
spies4Summer (7:53:18 PM): Bye
spies4Leon (7:53:22 PM): c ya
spies4Leon went idle at 9:12:59 PM.
spies4Leon returned at 9:50:28 PM.
spies4Summer (9:53:55 PM): This is it, Leon
spies4Leon (9:54:03 PM): I know
spies4Summer (9:54:31 PM): Nothing's changed?
spies4Leon (9:54:38 PM): nope
spies4Summer (9:54:41 PM): I'm so excited Leon
spies4Leon (9:54:49 PM): me too, me too