Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 14:29:54 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 14:29:54 GMT -5
Candy,
Exactly what day did you learn Bev was a spy?
Also, if you had died without telling anyone your results, the town would have lost your guilty. Please share with us how you managed that risk, considering you didn't reveal your results for a long time.
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Hannah
Hannah
The Carb Catcher
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 14:51:14 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 10, 2007 14:51:14 GMT -5
Singe as Candy has said before, she sent a message to two ppl she trusted with the info on her investigation in case she was imprisoned.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 15:14:53 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 15:14:53 GMT -5
Any reason for her not to tell us who those two people were?
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Hannah
Hannah
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 15:16:23 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 10, 2007 15:16:23 GMT -5
My guess is that she doesnt want to make it public to everyone who she trusts as it may put them at risk for imprisonment...
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 15:17:11 GMT -5
Post by Masaki on Nov 10, 2007 15:17:11 GMT -5
I guess she figures it's evidence that these players aren't Spies since she managed to survive two imprisonments after telling them(pending the time she told them, of course). Yet, that's fairly flawed logic. If she told two players, then they'd know ahead of time not to make a dirty move like that, since Candy apparently told two of them and the names to one another, the second person would b e able to make a case against the first.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 15:30:40 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 15:30:40 GMT -5
OH NO I TRUST CANDY PLEASE DONT IMPRISON HER SPIEZ
Candy mistrusted Bunni and Jeremiah. I don't think anyone really gives a rat's ass who she trusts and who she doesn't. We can't all hide our trusts and suspicions from each other forever... those are the tools we use to figure out who the remaining Spies are.
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Hannah
Hannah
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:19:16 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 10, 2007 16:19:16 GMT -5
I disagree Singe, I think that if Candy is a citizen, which i personally think she is, she has been our greatest asset and is the spies biggest threat, and thus those that she trusts are too by association.
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Summer
Summer
Cold Catcher (achoo!)
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:21:18 GMT -5
Post by Summer on Nov 10, 2007 16:21:18 GMT -5
Maybe in return for her trust, they gave her a reason to trust them in return.
I think that asking for confirmed citizens is a bad move when what we really should be looking for are confirmed spies.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:22:27 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 16:22:27 GMT -5
LOL, so anyone Candy trusts is a confirmed citizen?
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Summer
Summer
Cold Catcher (achoo!)
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:25:37 GMT -5
Post by Summer on Nov 10, 2007 16:25:37 GMT -5
I guess we'll find that out at the end of the game.
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Leon
Leon
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:27:15 GMT -5
Post by Leon on Nov 10, 2007 16:27:15 GMT -5
If she's such a contribution, why hasn't she been imprisoned? Especially since each round, she's just getting better? I think that someone such a threat would have some kind of target on their back from the Spies. Hmm?
*I think there was something like this last season with Matthew and Anneliese.
**Watch Candy get imprisoned next round. LOL.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:34:59 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 16:34:59 GMT -5
I see the game moving in one direction at this point.
Hannah, Summer and Candy seem to have formed a bloc of solidarity. If all three of you are Cits, that's great, but to be honest I have no way of knowing that. None of you have given me reasons why you trust one another, and you also refuse to actually discuss who you trust. I am going to operate on thet assumption that you do NOT have legitimate reasons for this trust, and I will therefore assume your bloc to be hostile.
Bunni, Leon, Damon, Faizah, Abrams, Johan are playing as sheep to the slaughter (or lurking spies) at the moment. I see them all as potentially easily swayed by your hostile bloc.
Zander and Kip are still on the fence to some extent. I see Zander carrying a bit of Candy's load, but we'll see where he really stands over the next few days. Kip is trying to remain an independent thinker.
Masaki and Cain are the "targets". They'll be defending themselves for the next few days.
I'm unaligned and trying to make sense of this unholy alliance of smart chicks. If you three have cases/arguments to make, better start making them. I think you're failing miserably on the Cain case thus far, but it's still a while before Exile. Please convince us that your intentions are genuine.
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Summer
Summer
Cold Catcher (achoo!)
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:48:32 GMT -5
Post by Summer on Nov 10, 2007 16:48:32 GMT -5
Why do I want to exile Cain? Because I think he's a spy. Everything points to him as a spy or a really really really really really stupid citizen. That's the long and short of it.
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Bunni
Bunni
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:50:16 GMT -5
Post by Bunni on Nov 10, 2007 16:50:16 GMT -5
this is in response to the first question posed by singe and hannah's answer to it. i posted that i was suspicious of candy right after the whole bev thing. i thought i was insanely odd that she would keep it a secret for such a long time. that's what i was trying to figure out before, too, singe. why?
hannah says that she claimed to have sent a message to 2 people about it. HOWEVER, she told me that she didn't tell ANYONE about it because she thought she was safe. why lie to me about that? honestly, i don't think she did lie to ME about it. people might have known about it, but not through her messages. it makes me even more suspicious about her being an ortho because her fellow orthos would have known and her group wouldn't have lost that information if she was imprisoned or exiled (as has been stated before, angelica claimed to know of two spies. she obviously would have shared these findings with her fellow orthos).
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 16:59:44 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 16:59:44 GMT -5
Does anyone else want to demand the identity of the two people Candy trusted with this info?
CONS: OH NO WE LEARN WHO CANDY TRUSTS PROS: If there AREN'T two people Candy told, then Candy is lying, and is most likely the ortho investigative spy.
Everyone please post here... YES I WANT TO KNOW or NO WE DONT NEED TO KNOW
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 17:03:23 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 10, 2007 17:03:23 GMT -5
By the way, I will note that in Mafia in general, people don't answer questions that were posed to others. Hannah answering the question I posed to Candy is what we consider in the business a "mild spy tell".
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 21:16:02 GMT -5
Post by Kip on Nov 10, 2007 21:16:02 GMT -5
I would like to know her two friends.
Also, I don't see how they'd be screwed, just because Candy trusts them does not make them Citizens, it just means they aren't Trads. They could very well be Orthos. Also, if Candy does tell us, in the event that Candy gets Imprisoned, we have two more people we can use for solid Candy-like information.
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Hannah
Hannah
The Carb Catcher
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Candy
Nov 10, 2007 23:55:56 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 10, 2007 23:55:56 GMT -5
No Singe I was answering it because I was annoyed that you were AWOL for two weeks and thus would have known the answer to that question ages ago if u had been here, and thus we could move on to discuss other theories.
Bunni, do u have evidence that Candy told u this?
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Hannah
Hannah
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 0:30:28 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 11, 2007 0:30:28 GMT -5
Also Singe, u cant expect ppl to just publicly explain why they trust ppl, as it could potentially give the spies ammunition.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 6:42:39 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 11, 2007 6:42:39 GMT -5
No Singe I was answering it because I was annoyed that you were AWOL for two weeks and thus would have known the answer to that question ages ago if u had been here, and thus we could move on to discuss other theories. You're a few hours too late, Hannah--one of your clan already fed me that "two weeks" line earlier today. If you want credibility, you'll need to do better than recite canned lines your girls feed you. The good news is, the three of you can't ALL be working together, so it's more a matter of sorting out the bullshitters at this point. Again, bring compelling facts to the table if you want to be believed--anything less is spybait.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 6:43:33 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 11, 2007 6:43:33 GMT -5
Also Singe, u cant expect ppl to just publicly explain why they trust ppl, as it could potentially give the spies ammunition. And again with the party line. Did you feed this crock to Summer and Candy or vice-versa?
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Hannah
Hannah
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 7:23:12 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 11, 2007 7:23:12 GMT -5
Singe I am capable of my own thoughts (hooray) and actually havent chatted much to summer or candy recently, not that uts relevant. Maybe intead of looking for a conspiracy theory or coming up with witty responses u could actually respond to WHAT i said. Also, I tried to talk to u on AIM earlier but got no response...
EDIT: anyway the point was not to rag on u for being AWOL but to explain why i answered ur question for candy. Felt like this had all been asked before and that we should be moving onto new theories.
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 12:43:31 GMT -5
Post by Kip on Nov 11, 2007 12:43:31 GMT -5
Maybe Singe wants to go over old theories, you yourself said that wasn't a bad idea Hannah.
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Candy
Candy
MVP! Winner of Spies 4!!!
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 13:53:11 GMT -5
Post by Candy on Nov 11, 2007 13:53:11 GMT -5
Bunni:
You're lying. I never said I didn't tell anyone.
spies4Candy: Go read the burg spies4Bunni: omg spies4Bunni: i knew it. spies4Candy: Yeah spies4Candy: I've known it for a while now spies4Bunni: omg spies4Bunni: i'm just like...laughing at myself now. spies4Bunni: did it tell you if she was major or minor? spies4Candy: No spies4Candy: Thoughts? spies4Bunni: no idea. spies4Bunni: if i had to guess, i'd say major, but i dunno. spies4Candy: I don't know if I see her working with Emma or Angelica spies4Candy: But we'll find out tomorrow spies4Bunni: yep. spies4Bunni: okay, well, i have to go to bed. but YAY for another spy catching! spies4Candy: Remember to vote spies4Bunni: already did! spies4Candy: 2 convos spies4Bunni: yep yep spies4Candy: Good girl spies4Bunni: i'm good spies4Bunni: night! spies4Candy: Night spies4Bunni signed off at 1:15:48 AM.
Cain's not here to verify this and my convos don't have timestamps, but Cain asked me what I sent to my 2 people.
spies4Cain: did you tell anyone about your investigation on bev spies4Candy: Yes spies4Cain: who spies4Candy: NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS spies4Cain: it's actually important spies4Candy: I'll trust who I want to trust spies4Candy: Screw you spies4Cain: if you don't want to tell me you could tell the whole burg spies4Cain: i don't see any purpose AT ALL for withholding that info spies4Cain: since bev has been gone now since last exile spies4Candy: It's not about that spies4Candy: It's about THEM spies4Candy: And who I trust spies4Candy: And you want me to tell a spy who I trust spies4Candy: Screw you spies4Cain: i mean unless you are trying to keep your ortho spy a secret spies4Cain: then i could unserstand spies4Candy: I told 2 people, jackass spies4Cain: and you can't name them? spies4Candy: Not to you spies4Cain: who wa the other one besides angelica spies4Candy: Neither was Angelica spies4Candy: I wouldn't have had to PM her if we were spies together spies4Cain: why did you have to pm her? spies4Candy: I spies4Candy: Did spies4Candy: Not spies4Candy: PM spies4Candy: Angelica spies4Cain: are the both people still in the game? spies4Candy: You spies4Candy: Spy spies4Candy: Fuck spies4Candy: And yes both are still in the game spies4Cain: spies4Candy (1:37:08 AM): I wouldn't have had to PM her if we were spies together spies4Cain: that doesn't make sense spies4Candy: Spies have their own forum spies4Cain: you never said you pmed anyone spies4Candy: Fine well I am now spies4Candy: I PMed 2 people spies4Cain: why did you pm people? spies4Candy: In case I was imprisoned spies4Candy: I gave them something to post spies4Candy: 2 because even if they were both spies they'd be forced to post, unless they were on the same side spies4Cain: why did you want to observe bev? spies4Candy: Because I wanted to watch her without her knowing I was watching spies4Cain: what were you watching for spies4Candy: To see who she mentioned in casual conversation spies4Cain: and what did you find? spies4Candy: You want me to make a thread about it? spies4Cain: that would be a big help spies4Cain: hey spies4Cain: you still there spies4Candy: Yes spies4Cain: can you show me the message that you sent to the two people that you told about bev spies4Candy: The parts that don't include any names yes spies4Cain: edit out the names with xxxxxxxx spies4Candy: I am sending this message to you and one other person. I have valuable information and in case I am imprisoned next round it needs to get posted.
Post this message but censor the parts I tell you to if I am imprisoned. If I'm not imprisoned talk to me on AIM ASAP.
spies4Candy: In round 2 I earned a mystery prize. I made the picture in my confessional with some input from Sam. Then I took a screencap of it with my mouse over it so it said [image] and rehosted it. I purposely chose not to use photobucket or imageshack so I could prove that Sam didn't make it.
That picture was a decoy.
I really won an investigation.
I investigated a spy.
[Censor what is next]
spies4Candy: [Uncensor] Of course I could be wrong in trusting you so that is why you're not the only person who has this message.
Bottom line: Beverly is a spy. Get her out.
Candy
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Hannah
Hannah
The Carb Catcher
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 15:39:02 GMT -5
Post by Hannah on Nov 11, 2007 15:39:02 GMT -5
Yes I agree kip, I just think that asking for info and insinuating someone is guilty because u arent yet aware of that particular info which has been available for quite sometime isnt exactly re hashing old theories.
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Singe
Singe
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Candy
Nov 11, 2007 16:01:47 GMT -5
Post by Singe on Nov 11, 2007 16:01:47 GMT -5
spies4Singe: i think i'll keep my vote on leon spies4Singe: question is do i press the case spies4Singe: also, how best to evaluate mistaki? spies4Candy: If Cain turns out to be a citizen I'm doing a hardcore review of both spies4Singe: i'd think you would regardless, unless you're an ortho... spies4Candy: Go soak your head
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Candy
Jan 1, 2008 23:08:22 GMT -5
Post by Judge Sam on Jan 1, 2008 23:08:22 GMT -5
this is a good reread <3
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