To Kill Kip or Not to Kill Kip

[Singe]

Cost/Benefit Analysis of Ganking Kip at Exile IX-2

++ potentially gives Candy another confirmed Cit to team up with

-- if Kip is Cit, we've lost one of our three remaining mis-exile chances

Look at it this way. If we're 90% sure Kip is a cit, exiling him to confirm someone is a bad idea. If we're 90% sure Kip is a Spy, exiling him is a great idea. Somewhere in between lies the tipping point--at what degree of kip suspicion is it a good idea to go through with this plan?

Personally I'd say the tipping point is on the side of innocence. If we are 60% sure Kip is a Cit and 40% think he's a Spy, it's a good idea still to exile him to confirm a cit.

So the question is, how sure are each of you about Kip? He hasn't done a TON of posting/chatting, but sometimes people get reads. Post yours.

[Singe]

bunni said:

furthermore, i think the idea to get rid of kip is ridiculous. we've lost madison, cain, gordy, and abrams in rapid succession. i personally believe kip is telling the truth. why wouldn't he? if he told a lie about who he investigated about their roles, then why wouldn't that person just come forward and say, "um, no. i don't have that role." the only possibility is that if he is an ortho spy and is trying to protect the other one. i think it's a really REALLY slim chance that that's true, and i don't think we need to be exiling another person that is, imo, a probable citizen just to find out if they're telling the truth or not. show me that they're lying, and i'll be more than happy to help exile them.

[Singe]

damon said:

If anyone's spoken to Kip they know that he would never be so dumb as to put a partner (were he Ortho) in jeopardy like that.

It makes no sense for him to lie as a Cit, and the reason he would lie as a Spy would endanger both him and his partner. Voting him out now is a waste of a perfcectly good Exile when there are still other targets milling about who have a lot more stacked against them as Spies.

[Singe]

kip said:

I will not be your martyr. I am not lying. The person I investigated has a role. I have no idea what the details of their role is, and I do not care to know. I understand their reasons for not wanting to tell me, as I could be a Spy, and I do not ask them to reveal anything to me.

All I can say, is that I am a Citizen, and I will never stop trying to hunt the Spies. I refuse to go out of this game. Do with that what you will.

I will be online in about five minutes, so sit tight.

[Singe]

faizah said:

Basically though, even if Kip does go and is a citizen, the information Candy has about Kips investigation becomes true. If he goes and is a spy, it is also clear his investigation may be false. Either way we can use the information, where as by not getting rid of him now, we will have to wonder about him down the road, and then we wont be able to properly use the investigation info.

[Singe]

spies4Singe: what are your thoughts? Who do you want to exile tonight?
spies4Leon: Im aimin for Kip, I think Candy has a good point that if he turns up spy, we'll have a good idea of who else, if hes not, then at least someones out of the way
spies4Singe: Do you think he's a Spy?
spies4Singe: or that a Spy would do that?
spies4Leon: I think its probable

[Singe]

candy said:

I chose Kip and told Gordy to tell him to investigate someone who told Gordy they had a role. Kip promised to investigate this person. I know the key to Kip's 2357329085230958325 code. I know the role claim details. Kip says his result was "Yes (______ has a citizen role)" and told Gordy to PM some stuff to the fatemaker.

If Kip's a spy, we can reasonably guess the whole thing was a setup to protect the "confirmed citizen" and reveal the fatemaker and we catch spy #2. Kickass!

If Kip's a citizen, OH WELL! I'll know he was telling the truth about his investigation and I get a confirmed citizen who has claimed imprisonment immunity powers to plot and scheme with. Kickass!

[Hannah]

Okay but one question then. If not Kip then WHO? It just seems logical to exile him as its the only way to confirm his information 100%.

[Bunni]

i haven't talked to him all that much, but from when i have, and what i've seen him say and do in chats and posts, i don't believe him to be a spy. like me and damon said before, kip isn't stupid, that much is obvious, so he's not going to lie about someone else (his supposed spy partner) having a role. so, that really makes candy's point moot about him. i haven't heard anyone say ANYTHING else spylike about him, so it's just so unreasonable to think of him as a vote off tonight. we can't just vote people off to confirm they're telling the truth. we're running out of people to sacrifice.

i'm probably 90% sure he's not a spy. so, my vote will not be for him tonight.

[Zander]

hannah said:

Okay but one question then. If not Kip then WHO? It just seems logical to exile him as its the only way to confirm his information 100%.

Darling wifey, it's only conclusive if he turns up Citizen. Then we KNOW the other person is a citizen.


If he turns up a spy (we celebrate first, and then realize) it tells us nothing about the other person. He may have been lying, he may have been telling the truth and trying to champion a confirmed citizen to the burg.

[Bunni]

good point, zander.

so, if he turns up a citizen, we've voted out a citizen. darn.

if he turns out a spy, we know nothing about the other person. does anyone have evidence to him being a spy? no. so, we'll probably end up voting out a citizen. DARN.

omg. i just don't see how people can be thinking of voting him. it's one of the least logical plans i've heard of in this game.

[Hannah]

the logic is pretty clear actually, if he turns up citizen which, yes is a definite possibility, then we have a CONFIRMED citizen! And then that citizen can work with Candy the Fatemaker and that will definitely help us.

[Zander]

I'm just asking if there's another way to confirm Kip without chopping his head off, you know?

[Singe]

Actually, the main difference between the two plans is this:

in one, there is a confirmed cit to Candy
in the other there is a confirmed cit to Kip

(with of course the risk that kip is a spy)

[Faizah]

All I am saying is, if Kip is innocent, we learn his info is 100% true. If he is spy, we learn his info could potentially be either way, but in BOTH scenarios we learn valuable information that we had'nt already known. I understand we only have a few exiles left, but Kips information (either way) will be a big turning point for us in my opinion.

[Bunni]

singe said:

Actually, the main difference between the two plans is this:

in one, there is a confirmed cit to Candy
in the other there is a confirmed cit to Kip

(with of course the risk that kip is a spy)

okay, so these are the two options we get out of this plan.

SO WHAT?

someone is confirmed as a citizen and can "help" Candy or Kip or whoever. just because someone is a confirmed citizen doesn't give them special spy-hunting powers. it doesn't make them all-knowing. the benefits here don't make up for the sacrifice.

[Zander]

bunni said:

singe said:

Actually, the main difference between the two plans is this:

in one, there is a confirmed cit to Candy
in the other there is a confirmed cit to Kip

(with of course the risk that kip is a spy)

okay, so these are the two options we get out of this plan.

SO WHAT?

someone is confirmed as a citizen and can "help" Candy or Kip or whoever. just because someone is a confirmed citizen doesn't give them special spy-hunting powers. it doesn't make them all-knowing. the benefits here don't make up for the sacrifice.

THERE we go Bunni! That's what I want to read Not necessarily what you said (Though right now I do agree), but you speaking up and taking logic public

[Singe]

spies4Singe (2:35:43 AM): no, i dont
spies4Singe (2:35:51 AM): i think ralph is a minor spy with that role
spies4Singe (2:36:01 AM): i made the case earlier in chat that the role was too powerful for town
spies4Singe (2:36:11 AM): you can basically step up day one and shout:
spies4Singe (2:36:15 AM): "HI THIS IS MY ROLE"
spies4Singe (2:36:20 AM): and be safe the whole game
spies4kip (3:37:35 PM): Yes
spies4Singe (2:36:28 AM): which i dont see as realiztic
spies4kip (3:37:37 PM): But...
spies4kip (3:37:51 PM): Ralph says something about him getting his role after Exile 3 and all
spies4kip (3:37:54 PM): which is too outlandish
spies4kip (3:38:03 PM): So, he's definitely not a citizen
spies4Singe (2:37:42 AM): yeah
spies4kip (3:39:17 PM): The only alternative I see for ralph exile...
spies4kip (3:39:20 PM): is Abrams exile
spies4kip (3:39:29 PM): which I am not sure of at the moment
spies4kip (3:39:51 PM): sure of, as in, sure that Abrams would come
spyspies4Singe (2:43:18 AM): i am doubting that
spies4Singe (2:43:31 AM): if i had to guess, he'd be around my #9 suspect
spies4Singe (2:43:40 AM): i made a list yesterday, he was around 6-9
spies4kip (3:45:56 PM): And from our group?
spies4Singe (2:48:45 AM): i would rank ralph, madison, abrams i guess
spies4Singe (2:48:48 AM): then you
spies4Singe (2:49:07 AM): summer zander faizah around you
spies4Singe (2:49:26 AM): yeesh ang too
spies4Singe (2:49:31 AM): cain came across ok today
spies4kip (3:50:48 PM): ah, ok
spies4kip (3:51:11 PM): So, can we now decide on who to exile?
spies4kip (3:51:18 PM): I really need to get going...
spies4kip (3:51:32 PM): if we cannot decide, I need a safe votespies4
kip (3:51:35 PM): On a person who cannot be exiled
spies4kip (3:51:52 PM): So that my vote doesn't mess the exile up
spies4Singe (2:53:20 AM): i dont know... madison is a lurker?
spies4kip (3:54:51 PM): Well, people might cast their votes on her
spies4kip (3:54:58 PM): and, she might have forgotten to vote too...
spies4kip (3:55:11 PM): So, my vote on her might mess the exile up
spies4kip (4:08:53 PM): Abrams makes a fair point.
spies4kip (4:09:09 PM): Spies will simply not imprison Ralph
spies4kip (4:09:17 PM): They don't need to imprison Ralph to win
spies4kip (4:09:24 PM): Unless ralph is a spy that is...
spies4kip (4:09:39 PM): in which case they can do it in the end if they have 2 spies left
spies4Singe (3:08:35 AM): right
spies4Singe (3:08:39 AM): the way i see it
spies4Singe (3:08:49 AM): ralph is a threat mostly to the team of 4
spies4Singe (3:08:56 AM): not a threat to citizens
spies4Singe (3:09:05 AM): killing him doesnt save us an exile
spies4Singe (3:09:11 AM): ever
spies4Singe (3:09:16 AM): if he's a minor
spies4kip (4:10:26 PM): Yes.
spies4kip (4:10:37 PM): Investigating him doesn't make sense either
spies4Singe (3:09:32 AM): no
spies4Singe (3:09:34 AM): i agree
spies4kip (4:10:59 PM): Because, I think he is 100% minor spy...
spies4kip (4:11:06 PM): or is exagerating his role
spies4Singe (3:09:59 AM): yup
spies4Singe (3:10:24 AM): i think damon is also a minor spy
spies4Singe (3:10:47 AM): do we have any opinions from damon on ralph?
spies4kip (4:13:55 PM): No, I don't think so
spies4kip (4:14:11 PM): If ralph comes out spy, I suspect Summer and Gordy the most
spies4Singe (3:13:27 AM): here's my idea on Damon
spies4Singe (3:13:36 AM): kiyoshi got expelled
spies4Singe (3:13:38 AM): cit
spies4Singe (3:13:42 AM): damon got REPLACED
spies4Singe (3:13:46 AM): because if he got expelled
spies4Singe (3:13:51 AM): it would have ruined the game
spies4Singe (3:13:54 AM): why?
spies4Singe (3:14:02 AM): cause it'd have made the game 3-3?
spies4Singe (3:14:12 AM): or cause it'd have made the game 4-2?
spies4kip (4:15:49 PM): 4-2 more likely...
spies4kip (4:16:04 PM): sam never did clarify it, did he?
spies4kip (4:17:07 PM): I think we should tell about ralph being a certain spy?
spies4kip (4:17:19 PM): To make sure an investigation is not wasted?
spies4Singe (3:16:18 AM): i really think he is
spies4Singe (3:16:21 AM): masaki agrees
spies4kip (4:17:37 PM): Yeah... Masaki would
spies4kip (4:17:43 PM): I think Abrams would too
spies4Singe (3:16:50 AM): lol:
spies4Singe (3:16:53 AM): "
spies4Ralph (4:16:18 PM): i thought i was helpful wether i was spy or not"
spies4kip (4:18:19 PM): lol
spies4kip (4:18:22 PM): when did he say that?
spies4Singe (3:17:25 AM): just now

posting whatever I can find on kip, not super helpful but it's something.

[Singe]

Kip Evidence (ill add to this if you post)
+ bev assumed he was a cit before the Twist
+ too proud to idle out but seemed bored of the game, likely cit
+ i dont think a spy would have created the plan candy describes, too risky/dangerous
+ i think the person candy ordered kip to inv is more than likely a cit, and it wouldn't surprise me if she has a role
- kip lurked a fair amount
-- old kip said he was lurking intentionally to survive and wanted to act a little suspicious intentionally in order to stay alive longer
+ missed the challenge and chance to win immunity
- weird behavior in choosing family spot

[Singe]

Kip gave me this yesterday when we were discussing Candy as a possible Spy:

I. Candy would have to be Orthodxoy.
A. Candy led the charge to eliminate Beverly, saying she investigated her.
B. Candy targeted Cain for Exile under the impression that he was the last remaining Traditionalist.
C. Candy talked many voters into voting for Naomi in Exile VII, saving Cain for Exile VIII.


II. Her Investigation for Beverly.
A. She waited two rounds to tell everyone of Beverly alignment.
1. She runs a huge risk of have her information being lost if she's unexpectedly Imprisoned.
a. She tells her Spy partners, so if she goes, at least they know and can act accordingly.
B. She claims to have told two people via Private Message of her findings.
1. Claims one was Johan, but conveniently waits until his death to reveal.
2. She could very well be lying about Johan.
3. Says she’s “protecting” them, because if she reveals them, they’ll go at Imprisonment.
a. Players Candy trusts aren’t threats, unless they have good theories.
b. Candy claims she’s always the biggest threat, not her friends, yet she never goes.
C. Angelica has just told everyone that Naomi is a Spy.
1. By telling everyone that Beverly is a Spy as well, she runs the risk of confusing everyone, so she waits until it seems like the Naomi vote is not going to succeed.
a. Gets the Citizens to Exile both Spies the Orthodoxy uncovered.
b. Gives the Orthodoxy two free Imprisonments.
c. Free Imprisonment targets were Adelaide, and Gordy who was saved (later Imprisoned by Traditionalist)
i. Gordy being saved furthers the idea of the Spy groups working together.


III. Adelaide’s Imprisonment.
B. Adelaide had a role.
1. Gordy confirmed her role upon his resurrection.
2. Adelaide says she told no one about her role.
3. Singe claims the Orthodoxy Spies had limited names to choose from for Imprisonment
a. Candy, Summer, Adelaide, Kip, Masaki, Zander
b. Singe claims Gordy told him this information.
c. Adelaide is not a likely target from said list, unless her role is known.


IV. Cain’s Exile
A. Candy initially wanted Cain Exiled from the game.
1. She spoke numerous times on how Cain must be a Spy, and how Cain had to go next.
B. Once the day came to Exile Cain, Candy suspected Masaki
1. She sent Private Messages out to players telling them to vote Masaki
2. She settled on Cain due to players returning her Private Messages asking to vote Cain out instead.
3. Candy gives in without a fuss.
C. According to Johan’s “messages”, Candy had an idea that Cain may have had a “saving” role.
1. Despite the information Cain may have a role, Candy voted for him.
2. Johan also did, so he had to have been convinced the message was a lie.
3. Candy never once mentioned to anyone that Cain may have a Citizen role.


V. Johan’s Imprisonment
A. Johan had a role.
1. Johan told Candy about his role.
2. Johan also told Singe he had a role, but not the details.
3. Johan told Candy that Singe knew almost two weeks after Singe initially found out about the role.
a. That was when Johan told Singe the details.
4. Johan also accidentally sent Singe a message directed for Candy.
a. Singe now knew Candy knew about Johan’s role as well.
B. The Traditionalists picked Johan.
1. Sam confirms that the Spies have a means of communication.
2. Gordy being choosen twice in a row by both Spy groups, shows the Spies are talking to each other.
a. If Candy were Orthodoxy, she would have told the Traditionalists of Johan’s role.
b. No one else knew the details of Johan’s role, or that anyone else knew about it, except for Candy.

VI. Exile IX-1
A. Candy attempted to blindside Masaki at Exile with Accusations.
1. Hannah and Gordy also Accused Masaki.
2. Zander and Summer just voted with for Masaki.
B. Candy had planned on voting for Masaki for most of the day.
1. She never tried to IM anyone online to try and persuade them into voting Masaki.
a. Summer claims Candy “told her to vote Masaki” about eight before Exile.
b. When asked by me who she was voting, she said “You’ll see.”
C. The argument she used after Exile IX-1 can be applied to Cain and other players she’s Exiled.





Other Notes:

- Candy has yet to vote for an Orthodoxy Spy (except Angelica), assuming Bunni is Innocent, and if Candy is an Orthodoxy Spy, then Bunni is Innocent. All her votes have been for Citizens, or Traditionalists.
- Candy has yet to be proven to have joined a family with any Spies, including Traditionalists.v

[Singe]

Oct. 30th PM from Kip, who trusted me a fair amount:

I am finding it quite difficult to continue with this game due to unreliable internet connection, a problem from which I am suffering currently.

Due to this, I have asked Sam to remove me from this game. There is, however, one piece of information I need to give it to you: Masaki's AIM identity

Masaki's AIM screen name is ***EDITED***. Use it if you need to accuse him later on in the game.

Odds of Kip and Masaki as spies together: slim.
Kip could be one spy suspecting another, but the way he went out of the game makes me doubt it... why care about helping a player (Singe) who you consider a likely Cit?

[Masaki]

This is like a deja vu, and a situation come back to haunt me. We ran across this exact same situation at this exact same point in the game in Spies 3. A player investigated another player, and claimed they were innocent. However, the difference here is that a role is involved, and the player in question, for the most part, is unknown. What happened was that the player who won the investigation(Spy) investigated another player(Spy), and claimed they were innocent. Said player also managed to persuade people not to exile her to gain the most information from from an exile.

The Spies won the game.

For this reason, I am reluctant _not_ to go along with exiling Kip, despite my gut telling me he is not a Spy. Let me give the run down of what I'm thinking here :

We have 11 players in the game right now. We have 3 Spies. We will exile one player tonight, and one player will be imprisoned next episode. Here's the rundown :

11 players after Imprisonment IX( CURRENT )
9 players after Imprisonment X
7 players after Imprisonment XI
5 players after Imprisonment XII
3 players after Imprisonment XIII

3 Spies, meaning if they are in cooperation, we will no longer have a CITIZEN majority after 3 failed exiles.

What we have right now is 11 players, and 10 suspects(minus Candy). The probability of hitting a Spy right now is 30% if we swing randomly.

1) If we do that, and hit a Citizen, we will be down to 9 players by next exile, with 8 suspects. Chance of hitting a Spy by then : 37.5%

2) If we exile Kip, we still have a 30% probability that he is a Spy. However, by next exile, we will have 9 players, and 7 suspects(minus Candy and the player Kip investigated). Chance of hitting a Spy by then : 42.9%.

3) If we exile Kip, and he is a Spy, then, just as last game, he could either be lying or telling the truth about his investigation. I don't know the details, so I cannot make my own assessment as to whether the role this player has is believable, but Candy claims it is hard to believe.

Please note that these scenarios do not take into consideration the possibility of Spies hitting Spies with their Imprisonments, nor does it take into consideration the possibility of the Spies imprisoning the potentially confirmed Citizen.

[Candy]

None of you get it.

This was supposed to be the game-winning move the spies made.

Chain of events:

1. The spies find out the fatemaking question is "Who do you want to be able to ask Sam 'Does ____ have a citizen role?'"

2. Spy #1 and Spy #2 are put up as nominations.

3. Spy #3 comes forward to Gordy with a role claim

4. Gordy tells the Fatemaker Spy #3 says they have a role

5. The Fatemaker tells Gordy to tell Spy #1 or Spy #2 (whoever she chooses) to investigate Spy #3

6. Spy #2 receives the investigation. Spy #2 says they investigated Spy #3. Spy #2 says Spy #3 is a citizen with a role.

7. Spy #2 tells Gordy "Spy #3 has a citizen role"




Here's what was supposed to happen next:

8. The Fatemaker goes to Spy #3 and says "You have a citizen role. So do I. I'm the Fatemaker". Now the spies know about the Fatemaker.

9. Spy #2 actually uses the investigation on Random Citizen 1 and finds out if they have a role or not. Remember - the spies are imprisoning people with roles and they know the Fatemaker is still in the game.

10. Spy #2 makes a post with a 23048230958320958 code. If Spy #3 is ever in danger later Spy #3 can go "I have the code and it says I'm a citizen with a role. Don't exile me."

THE SPIES SET THIS ALL UP TO FALSELY PROVE A SPY IS A CITIZEN.

The role Spy #3 has claimed is BULLSHIT. I'm 95% sure. But in the case I'm wrong, I can't risk exiling Spy #3 in case they really do have a role. So I'm going after their comrade, Spy #2. If Spy #2, Kip, is a spy, BAM. Spy #3 is nailed. And Spy #1 is probably Bunni.

Kip HAS TO GO.

[Kate (Damon)]

You're making things far too convoluted Candy. You've gotten lucky with your game this far and yet you're treating yourself like Queen of the Burg. Zander is the one that found Masaki. An investigation in which you had to choose between 2 players got you Beverly, so that was simply through a Role. Angelica handed us Naomi on a silver platter. The two people you went after with a vengeance (Cain & Jeremiah) turned out to be Citizens. Those are the reasons I'm not inclined to follow the Decree of Candy. I'm sorry but you're not as good as you continually make yourself out to be. And I'm still of the mindset that Kip is more likely than not a Citizen. It would be suicide and the end of the game if he were stupid enough (and we've all agreed that Kip2 is rather intelligent) to pull a trick like that especially when it's been used before in this series.

[Kip]

An investigation in which you had to choose between 2 players got you Beverly, so that was simply through a Role.

Not to mention the two players she had to choose between were herself or Beverly.

[Kip]

Also, Candy, that whole plan would be based on the Fatemaker going to the person I investigated, and telling them they were the Fatemaker. After all I preached of not telling anyone about role, unless YOU know they're 100% a Citizen, why the hell would I expect the Fatemaker to trust my words 100%? All I hoped for was that I would gain a Citizen I could trust, and the Fatemaker would learn that someone else had a potential role that would help.

[Candy]

It's too bad I can't be as great of a player as Damon. If I ever play spies again I will be sure to mimic his terrific strategy of "Go on vacation, contribute only in episode 2, then show up only if someone accuses me, be a jackass to the confirmed citizen, and leave on another vacation".

I definitely won't use my strategy of "Win challenges, try to blindside a spy, hide my role while exiling a spy on an investigation they all know about, collect evidence on other players, state my suspicions even if I'm wrong instead of being a coward, and be considered the most helpful citizen in the burg".

[Singe]

OH SNAP

[Singe]

Candy: "I don't think Bunni played well at all."
Candy: "It's too bad I can't be as great of a player as Damon. If I ever play spies again I will be sure to mimic his terrific strategy of "Go on vacation, contribute only in episode 2."
Candy: "I'm asking/telling everyone to vote to exile Kip. If Kip's a citizen, OH WELL!"

Note: Bunni, Damon and Kip kicked a LOT of ass in this critical thread, convincing Hannah and Leon to swing the most important Exile in the game.

Read their posts. Sincerity shines through.

The three Spies predictably waffled, giving little or no opinion on what to do, while Bunni, Damon and Kip showed spine.

Imagine what would have happened if Candy got her way here (or if Zander helped her lynch Kip:)

Faizah, Zander, Masaki remain
Candy, Summer, Singe, Bunni, Leon, Hannah, Damon remain

With Candy and Singe confirmed as Cits, the Spies team up and Imprison one immediately (Singe), leaving 9.

With nine players remaining and three Spies, the Cits can only make one more mistake. Seeing as how Hannah was mis-exiled after Singe died, and assuming that the Spies would nail Candy next, the Burg would be in Lynch or Lose with:

Faizah, Zander, Masaki, Summer, Bunni, Leon, Damon

So yeah, Bunni/Damon/Kip's brave play in Episode IX made a HUGE difference in how the game ended up.

Huge props to Leon and Hannah for reading carefully and making the correct, game-saving choice.

Zander's play in Ep. IX, to actually speak up occasionally on behalf of Kip, carried him farther than any other Spy but not far enough. If he'd voted Kip instead I think there's a chance the Spies could have ridden their strength in numbers to victory by railroading Leon or Damon.

[Summer]

Note: Bunni, Damon and Kip kicked a LOT of ass in this critical thread, convincing Hannah and Leon to swing the most important Exile in the game.

Read their posts. Sincerity shines through.

The three Spies predictably waffled, giving little or no opinion on what to do, while Bunni, Damon and Kip showed spine.

Hannah switched on her own due to a miscommunication.

Candy told Kip to switch Leon and backed off so his vote would stick.

Bunni's game was unimpressive. Blake told me she was like a mini-DC in Spies 3 before the Spies took her out in round 2. I'm still waiting to see it. Kip played a good round - Yves says he's a slugger who takes the hits but keeps fighting and I saw that here. I was unimpressed with Damon, who went on vacation yet again this round.

And if you think sincerity is a good way of telling who's a Spy and who's not, spies2Tyson and the Spies in Spies 3 would have sliced and diced you and served you for brunch.