Faizah+Leon

[Singe]

Post evidence here that demonstrates whether or not a Faizah+Leon spypairing is likely.

For example: Faizah could have voted Leon in IX-1 but chose to vote Singe instead, all by herself. Possible protection of Leon?

If you have a conversation of either of these two talking about each other, please consider posting it

[Faizah]

You know, just because you think in your head that you are a 100% cleared citizen by claiming the role (Im still undecided, but I guess its true) I don't think you should make threads like this JUST with me as the spy + my mystery point. This is exactly the "mob mentality" I was refering to and that I will most certainly be exiled next.

I am not a spy.

That wont matter, however, and I will go....much thanks to Singe. Please take this into consideration after my (mis)exile.

[Faizah]

Oh, and he is totally my partner

[Singe]

Exile IX-1

The remaining votes were as follows:


[image] Singe, by Faizah. [image]


One vote Singe.

This vote looks REALLY bad. Thoughts?

(bad because Leon was an inch away from Exile there.)

[Singe]

Leon gave his investigation points to Gordy, as did Faizah and Angelica, in their attempt to manipulate Gordy.

[Singe]

Me asking Angelica who she'd use an Inv on:

(Angelica): "Personally I would have used it on Leon, Masaki, or Naomi."
spies4Singe (3:46:06 AM): this is ang talking about her inv choice
spies4Candy (12:46:44 AM): Who might have already known at the time about Naomi
spies4Singe (3:46:26 AM): would you say she was clever enough to include an ortho in that list?
spies4Singe (3:46:29 AM): yeah
spies4Candy (12:47:00 AM): No clue.
spies4Singe (3:46:45 AM): i bet none of those three are orthos

Leon? Weird choice that early in the game...

[Singe]

Er... perhaps another "oops" moment here:

Faizah saw these four threads (Faizah+Summer, Faizah+Zander, Faizah+Hannah, Faizah+Leon) and chose one to click on and respond somewhat angrily:

faizah said:

You know, just because you think in your head that you are a 100% cleared citizen by claiming the role (Im still undecided, but I guess its true) I don't think you should make threads like this JUST with me as the spy + my mystery point. This is exactly the "mob mentality" I was refering to and that I will most certainly be exiled next.

I am not a spy.

That wont matter, however, and I will go....much thanks to Singe. Please take this into consideration after my (mis)exile.

I find it interesting that the one she chose to click on and post in is THIS one, the Faizah + Leon thread.

Then, she posted "and he is totally my spypartner" in this thread.

Then, she posted the same sentence in the other three threads.

It's Leon, guys and gals.

Leon, it's time to surrender. Come out with your pants down and Gordy will frisk you and take you away for "processing".

[Singe]

spies4Singe: ok so I got a guilty on you and im gonna give you 1 minute to think about whether you wanna work with me or not as a minor spy
spies4Leon: wait what?
spies4Singe: in one minute im gonna tell one person about the guilty
spies4Singe: and another person every minute
spies4Singe: until/unless you agree to use your power for us Cits
spies4Leon: umm...
(2 minute pause, Leon ran to Candy rather than tell me I was full of shit...)


Summer: "Why isn't he calling Singe a liar? Why didn't he try to see if Singe is bluffing? My guess is he panicked because he thought he was caught, and that's why he immediately started to court votes."


spies4Leon: Singe might be a spy...
spies4Candy: Maybe, maybe not
spies4Leon: I know this is going to sound like Im defending myself, in a way I am, but he said he used his investigation on me
spies4Leon: and im a spy
spies4Candy: Are you?
spies4Leon: no
spies4Leon: so in a way
spies4Leon: im happy
spies4Leon: because I know Singe is lieng
spies4Leon: lying*

Candy: "Beetle was definitely panicky. He didn't even say hi. Just went right into 'Singe might be a spy...'"

[Singe]

The following is from Summer's Leon post:

Angelica, Gordy, and I had an extensive conversation right after the 2 schism groups were announced in round 3.

Angelica on Leon:

She changes the subject when his name comes up.

spies4Summer (9:30:10 PM): What are the chances Leon will go?
spies4Angelica (9:30:37 PM): Sorry, was checking the forum, lemme catch up.
spies4Angelica (9:31:11 PM): Leon who? :/
spies4Gordy (9:33:48 PM): Leon's gone UTR sadly. And since the divide people will want to target the loud ones
spies4Angelica (9:35:07 PM): He was kind of loud about voting Beverly at the first Exile.

And then she maneuvered the conversation to talk about Beverly


She does it again later

spies4Summer (9:38:42 PM): Leon's family could have voted Kiyoshi
spies4Summer (9:38:57 PM): But they threw their votes onto Beverly instead
spies4Angelica (9:39:05 PM): You're right! All three did!
spies4Gordy (9:39:05 PM): That makes sense
spies4Summer (9:39:16 PM): So Martha was exiled
spies4Summer (9:39:20 PM): Mission accomplished
spies4Angelica (9:39:48 PM): Wow. I never thought about that.
spies4Angelica (9:40:03 PM): I knew there was something about Naomi and Masaki I didn't like! Haha!
spies4Summer (9:40:35 PM): If I was in that group, I'd cast my vote for one of those 3
spies4Angelica (9:41:15 PM): They're all together with Gordy. :/

[Singe]

The moment the last Trad dies:

spies4Leon (9:49:43 PM): im gonna start doin some work
spies4Leon (9:49:50 PM): try to find anything suspicious

How convenient, the laziest player in the game decides to buckle down and get to work right when there's no more real work for the Orthos to do.

I suppose the "work" Leon had in mind was creative writing, not spyhunting...

[Singe]

The Trads picked Candy as their Exile V immunity choice and the Orthos chose Abrams. Candy chose to make herself immune (yay) and the Orthos were not pleased. And here comes Leon, playing dumb, wondering aloud where Candy's immunity came from:

leon said:

I have been thinking, but did anyone else find it odd that out of nowhere, Candy was immune from Exile V? Im not trying to put Candy out as a spy here, but this is making me wonder.

Sam says the Orthodoxy spies have a power which makes up for the one less member. Well at the moment, I dont see any better explanation for it.

Their power, im assuming, is that they are able to make a person from their group immune from exile. Im not sure when, im not sure how many times, but Im pretty sure that would be it.

Like I said, its the only thing that would make sense about it. This would also mean that Candy would be an Orthodoxy spy.

If anyone else has any theories about how this immunity happened, why it was given to Candy, or anything to do with this whole subject, discuss here.

Leon suspects Candy of being a Trad Spy who gave the Fatemaker herself as a choice for Exile Immunity. Leon therefore tries to cast suspicion on Candy for receiving said immunity.

Why would Leon assume that receiving immunity confers any kind of negative connotation unless he knows that he and his spypartners got to submit a choice themselves?

Naughty Leon...

[Singe]

gordy said:

leon said:

Im curious as to how you learned this? I believe you, but its just....strange you have all this evidence. Definitly clears up all these things though.

This is Leon, reacting to Gordy's knowledge of Fatemaker information. Leon knows that Spies would have this Fatemaker information, and is:

a) trying to play dumb again about Spy info he's privy to
b) hinting to Gordy that whoever gave gordy FM choices might be a SPYYYYYZOMG

[Singe]

Tonight's final piece of evidence:

I made a bet with Candy. We bet $5 on this last week (which Candy could use for toilet paper in an emergency) and just doubled the wager tonight:

spies4Singe: it's Leon
spies4Singe: it's gotta be
spies4Candy: Pudgette.
spies4Candy: $5
spies4Singe: double it
spies4Singe: $10
spies4Singe: two-ply
spies4Candy: I'd use it for the same thing
spies4Candy: HAHA

Leon, be a pal and surrender so I can score my $10 already...

[Singe]

"The truth will first be ridiculed,
then violently opposed,
and finally accepted as self-evident."
-- A. Schopenhauer

[Kate (Damon)]

Something else of note:

Faizah wanted to vote Leon this round but never provided any true information against him. It might've been her attempt to draw attention away from her self and in turn both of these Spies threw each other under the bus in an attempt to save themselves.

[Kip]

Well, there's two viable Spy candidates, and a maximum of three Exiles left, the other one can just go at the following Exile if we're wrong on the first, or unless someone else presents themselves as a good candidate.

[Singe]

spies4Singe: who do you think is PRETENDING to find you suspicious?
spies4Faizah: Leon
spies4Faizah: He has been the easiest/fastest to jump on the ME bandwagon
spies4Faizah: without talking to me
spies4Faizah: Summer too
spies4Singe: i'm still your top suspect, right?
spies4Faizah: probably.
spies4Faizah: yes
spies4Faizah: actually
spies4Faizah: I sent candy my suspicison list just in case
spies4Faizah: lemme grab it
spies4Faizah: 1. Singe
2. Damon
3. Zander
4. Leon
5. Kip
6. Leon
7. Hannah
8. Summer
9. You
10. Me
spies4Faizah: This was like....early yesterday

So Leon's on the list twice, but no Bunni. And I'm her #1 suspect, but:

spies4Faizah: Heres what I propose
spies4Faizah: see if you think it sounds decent
spies4Faizah: I dont get exiled this time, and we exile someone I suspect
spies4Faizah: (of course, the group will have to suspect them too)
spies4Faizah: If they are NOT a spy, I will gladyl go at the next.
spies4Singe: why would you gladly go next?
spies4Faizah: Because I am failry sure of the person I think
spies4Singe: me?
spies4Faizah: and I believe alot of others would back it.
spies4Faizah: nope
spies4Singe: lol
spies4Singe: but i'm your top suspect
spies4Singe: is it damon?
spies4Faizah: nope
spies4Singe: leon?
spies4Faizah: A) people arent going to go for you B) the person could easily be a silent partner
spies4Faizah: yep
spies4Singe: ok
spies4Singe: i understand that plan, let me think about it while i make breakfast. leon's a decent choice
spies4Faizah: And if he isnt a spy.....im screwed, but then again I am pretty much living on borrowed time anyway

Looks like Faizah wanted to throw her spypartner under the bus to "confirm" herself as a Cit.

[Candy]

Kip it does matter because I want to win this game now.

Also kudos to Singe for posting this stuff. I'm going to analyze my past stuff for Leon info too - and so should everyone else.

(This is why Singe and I are the stars and you all aren't - because we come up with the evidence and the ideas and you all just jump on the bandwagons we make)

[Kip]

Oh, I know it matters, I wasn't implying otherwise. I was just saying that if we mess up here, we still have another strong option, and a few more chances.

As for Leon evidence...

spies4Leon (10:10:08 PM): i was one of the first people who suspected Faizah, so that really cant make me a spy
spies4Leon (10:13:08 PM): as of Nov 12 I correctly have 6 out of 7 spies right

Leon is the only player, aside from confirmed people, saying he should be confirmed. I was one of the hardest pushers for Faizah to be Exiled. I told everyone and everything she was a Spy, but that in no way confirms me. I could have very well been trying to get her out to "clear" myself.

[Kate (Damon)]

I hate to burst that egotistical bubble of your's Candy but SINGE is the star of this show not you. You've ONLY done well because of your Role. More importantly you hardly post ANYTHING on the board. Singe has been the one to come back with everything the Citizens have used against the Spies. Stop bandwagoning his praise.

[Singe]

We're all winners, remember, no one can evaluate your alignment unless you do a good job of expressing yourself and appearing to hunt spies. If just one or two of you had abdicated your duty, we'd have made two mis-exiles and we'd be screwed right now instead of in the driver's seat.

[Leon]

singe said:

Leon gave his investigation points to Gordy, as did Faizah and Angelica, in their attempt to manipulate Gordy.

Again, I gave my points to Gordy because I had NO points to give, and it didnt matter. I do not timestamp my convo's, and therefore, mine were uneligible, because theres no telling if they were at least 15 minutes.

[Leon]

singe said:

The following is from Summer's Leon post:

Angelica, Gordy, and I had an extensive conversation right after the 2 schism groups were announced in round 3.

Angelica on Leon:

She changes the subject when his name comes up.

spies4Summer (9:30:10 PM): What are the chances Leon will go?
spies4Angelica (9:30:37 PM): Sorry, was checking the forum, lemme catch up.
spies4Angelica (9:31:11 PM): Leon who? :/
spies4Gordy (9:33:48 PM): Leon's gone UTR sadly. And since the divide people will want to target the loud ones
spies4Angelica (9:35:07 PM): He was kind of loud about voting Beverly at the first Exile.

And then she maneuvered the conversation to talk about Beverly


She does it again later

spies4Summer (9:38:42 PM): Leon's family could have voted Kiyoshi
spies4Summer (9:38:57 PM): But they threw their votes onto Beverly instead
spies4Angelica (9:39:05 PM): You're right! All three did!
spies4Gordy (9:39:05 PM): That makes sense
spies4Summer (9:39:16 PM): So Martha was exiled
spies4Summer (9:39:20 PM): Mission accomplished
spies4Angelica (9:39:48 PM): Wow. I never thought about that.
spies4Angelica (9:40:03 PM): I knew there was something about Naomi and Masaki I didn't like! Haha!
spies4Summer (9:40:35 PM): If I was in that group, I'd cast my vote for one of those 3
spies4Angelica (9:41:15 PM): They're all together with Gordy. :/

I cant help but express the fact that I have never talked to Angelica. Not once. At all. Ever. I have no control over what she says about me.

[Zander]

damon said:

I hate to burst that egotistical bubble of your's Candy but SINGE is the star of this show not you. You've ONLY done well because of your Role. More importantly you hardly post ANYTHING on the board. Singe has been the one to come back with everything the Citizens have used against the Spies. Stop bandwagoning his praise.

Pardon me... I think the rest of us DO deserve a little bit of credit dude. I'm not getting involved in your argument but neither Candy NOR Singe have been fully responsible for our success right now. A lot of it was luck, a lot of it was delving... I was onto Masaki all game - Kip got Faizah... So let's not hoard the credit to one person either way. We've all gotten here, we all have one spy left, so there's no reason to 1. Have this argument in this thread or 2. Keep arguing about something so pointless. We have ONE SPY LEFT. Why are we bitching at each other?

[Leon]

singe said:

The moment the last Trad dies:

spies4Leon (9:49:43 PM): im gonna start doin some work
spies4Leon (9:49:50 PM): try to find anything suspicious

How convenient, the laziest player in the game decides to buckle down and get to work right when there's no more real work for the Orthos to do.

I suppose the "work" Leon had in mind was creative writing, not spyhunting...

Yeah...The moment the third trad dies, the moment we exiled Cain, the moment Masaki was killed, I said that. I remember. I suspected Faizah as of Round 6, and as of that round, I started doing work to try and find something good on her. Unfortunatly, I found nothing that was too great, and only formed a few theories.

[Candy]

From Faizah's own thread:

I have no role. the only prize I got was fro Bunnis trial, and that is 100% the truth.

I am not a spy. I voted to exile Leon.


I remember thinking that looked weird at the time, like "Why did she say that if we don't even know what Leon is?"

[Leon]

singe said:

The Trads picked Candy as their Exile V immunity choice and the Orthos chose Abrams. Candy chose to make herself immune (yay) and the Orthos were not pleased. And here comes Leon, playing dumb, wondering aloud where Candy's immunity came from:

leon said:

I have been thinking, but did anyone else find it odd that out of nowhere, Candy was immune from Exile V? Im not trying to put Candy out as a spy here, but this is making me wonder.

Sam says the Orthodoxy spies have a power which makes up for the one less member. Well at the moment, I dont see any better explanation for it.

Their power, im assuming, is that they are able to make a person from their group immune from exile. Im not sure when, im not sure how many times, but Im pretty sure that would be it.

Like I said, its the only thing that would make sense about it. This would also mean that Candy would be an Orthodoxy spy.

If anyone else has any theories about how this immunity happened, why it was given to Candy, or anything to do with this whole subject, discuss here.

Leon suspects Candy of being a Trad Spy who gave the Fatemaker herself as a choice for Exile Immunity. Leon therefore tries to cast suspicion on Candy for receiving said immunity.

Why would Leon assume that receiving immunity confers any kind of negative connotation unless he knows that he and his spypartners got to submit a choice themselves?

Naughty Leon...

Because I had no clue where this came from, and it seemed odd that an immunity would just pop up. If I was a spy, then I would know what it was and would have no reason to question it.

[Candy]

WRONG

MISTAKI QUESTIONED IT ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

So did Faizah.

You spies drove me nuts with that shit.

[Leon]

How about this. For me personally I had no clue. BECAUSE IM NOT A SPY.

[Candy]

So Leon any good convo bits with Faizah or did you never talk to her either (snicker)