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Post by Judge Sam on Oct 11, 2007 9:57:25 GMT -5
Please agree to one person to Imprison by the deadline which is 9:00 PM CST Friday. Ideally, all Spies would post here agreeing and confirming one person to select. You can also discuss your options wherever you like. Hopefully there is always an agreement on who to Imprison - otherwise I have to impose nasty voting systems or rotate leadership positions or junk like that. Let's skip all that and just agree on someone. Take a look at the first Exile of Spies 4. Eliminating someone who was nearly completely inactive was a difficult chore that ended up not being accomplished. If someone like that cannot be voted out, when else will the nearly inactive players go? In Spies 3 the Spies Imprisoned people near the lower half of the activity spectrum every single time but once (she had a role) and performed remarkably, never losing a single Spy. Activity isn't threatening, in fact in can be advantageous if you use it. The game is not fun for anybody if it degenerates into a game of semi-inactives. That being said, it is still completely up to you and you shouldn't take that to extremes or anything. Moderation is key. =) All Spies must offer their own opinions, ideas, options, and votes. No one will be bullied or left out in this democracy. It is recommended that you list a variety of options. When you are ready to make your final vote, post it here. You can change your vote at any time. I will then count the votes, the person with the most votes will be Imprisoned. With 3 people there's really no reason to create voting priorities because there will always be one person with a majority. If you are the only one voting for someone and it's close to the deadline, post one other vote you would support if no one else votes for your first choice.
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Post by Zander on Oct 11, 2007 12:19:34 GMT -5
So we all seem to agree on Masaki, but if he genuinely thinks Beverly is a spy, I don't think that's a threat we need to eliminate right now.
I would agree on Abrams, just fully eliminate that pair of Abrams/Martha, however... I think Gordy last night said something about how besides Abrams he could count on me the most, perhaps Imprisoning Abrams would come back to me in a very bad way.
Maybe we coudl lay low by targeting Lise, who is both smart but not very active.
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Post by Angelica on Oct 11, 2007 13:02:57 GMT -5
I'm not so sure Beverly would have enough votes to go, though. The pool of people who truly suspect her seems small.
I'm inclined to put Johan in the same group as Lise. And maybe even Adelaide. And reintroduce Kip.
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Post by Zander on Oct 11, 2007 13:04:27 GMT -5
I want to scratch out Adelaide because of the conversation I just had with her...
spies4Adelaide (1:34:27 PM): omg hey zander spies4Adelaide (1:34:29 PM): are you happy now!? spies4Zander (1:34:32 PM): hey there spies4Zander (1:34:41 PM): Adelaide, honestly, I think you should calm down spies4Zander (1:34:46 PM): NONE of us are happy that Martha was not a spy spies4Adelaide (1:35:10 PM): okay ill calm down if you get some common sense lolkbye spies4Zander (1:35:10 PM): And your attitude and Lloyd's attitudes only seem to be getting people angry! spies4Zander (1:35:18 PM): Do you know why I voted for Martha? spies4Zander (1:35:35 PM): Everyone knows I have no problem voting inactives, if a better suspect does not come along spies4Zander (1:36:05 PM): In my FIRST AND ONLY conversation with Martha, just about an hour before exile, she contradicted herself more than once about why she chose to protect Abrams, under what circumstances, and what her goals were spies4Zander (1:36:12 PM): fully contradicted spies4Zander (1:36:44 PM): and then she said "If a fellow spy were in trouble, the other spies would take drastic measures to save them", after she pushed for the vote to be taken off of Abrams before she was even in trouble! How is that not suspicious, Adelaide, HOW? spies4Zander (1:37:48 PM): If you can't at least respect people enough to make their own decisions, then you shouldn't be running around screaming at them. I'm not happy that I was wrong about Martha, but if she didn't make herself look so suspicious and contradict what she wanted and what her definition of the truth was, then I would have voted Kiyoshi too, who my vote was locked in on for about 12 hours before that spies4Zander (1:38:18 PM): So check yourself before running around and saying people have no common sense spies4Adelaide (1:40:47 PM): Well its the FIRST exile, so what would a spy do FIRST exile? Would they do half the stuff Martha does? And since you have been accused that means you have played Sam's game before. So you would know he doesnt cast idiots as spies spies4Zander (1:41:02 PM): Martha wasn't an idiot. spies4Zander (1:41:21 PM): Martha is one of the smartest spies players that exists - she told everyone her identity at exile anyway spies4Adelaide (1:41:26 PM): She clearly was you just said she contradicted herself and said "If a fellow spy were in trouble, the other spies would take drastic measures to save them", spies4Zander (1:41:29 PM): You don't have to be an idiot to contradict yourself spies4Adelaide (1:41:46 PM): how is "If a fellow spy were in trouble, the other spies would take drastic measures to save them", suspicious anyway? spies4Zander (1:41:51 PM): It's a simple mistake even the best of players could make - but spies tend to do this more than other players spies4Adelaide (1:41:56 PM): that just shows naivity, a spy wouldnt say that spies4Zander (1:42:01 PM): what do other players have to "slip up" or contradict themselves on? spies4Zander (1:42:24 PM): SPIES SAY ANYTHING ADELAIDE! If you aren't willing to accept that, we will never win spies4Zander (1:42:42 PM): Spies ACT naive, Spies SAY what you want them to say, to stay in the game spies4Zander (1:42:46 PM): Wisen up or we're all screwed spies4Adelaide (1:42:52 PM): Yes but it was the first exile and nobody said ENOUGH to cause any suspicion spies4Zander (1:43:03 PM): Are you kidding me?!?!?!? spies4Adelaide (1:43:11 PM): I seem to remember you saying you were against voting inactives? spies4Zander (1:43:17 PM): 3 contradictions in a desperate first conversation isn't enough for me to go "Okay, Martha is clearly up to something" spies4Zander (1:43:33 PM): I never said I was against voting inactives, why are you putting words in my mouth? spies4Adelaide (1:43:36 PM): what were these "contradictions"? then? spies4Zander (1:43:36 PM): Go check the thread and the facts spies4Adelaide (1:43:43 PM): i checked the thread spies4Zander (1:43:46 PM): Let me copy paste for you while you read what I said in that burg thread spies4Zander (1:43:51 PM): I never said I was against voting inactives spies4Adelaide (1:44:33 PM): ye actually you didnt spies4Adelaide (1:44:47 PM): i thought you did cos once you said "you know where i stand on voting inactives" spies4Adelaide (1:44:57 PM): madison did something very suspicious did uc spies4Zander (1:45:07 PM): I'd prefer if you stopped pretending like you know me next time, Adelaide. spies4Zander (1:45:24 PM): I know what I believe and throwing words in my mouth is not the best way to gain my trust spies4Adelaide (1:45:33 PM): Did ralph affect your decision spies4Zander (1:45:34 PM): And yes, I saw what Madison did spies4Zander (1:45:40 PM): No, Martha affected my decision spies4Adelaide (1:45:59 PM): k just wondering cos he seemed to have flipped flopped alot spies4Zander (1:46:00 PM): Although I ultimately did listen to my family, I would not have voted Martha if I felt like it was not warranted spies4Zander (1:46:04 PM): He did spies4Adelaide (1:46:27 PM): im not valuing his opinion or bev's anymore spies4Zander (1:46:50 PM): Let me post some conversation bits. They may be hard to follow since they are saved in my confessional so hold on spies4Zander (1:47:03 PM): spies4Martha (9:23:49 PM): Abrams was on the hot seat for a long time. spies4Martha (9:24:00 PM): He's supposed to be a spy, yet nobody suggested another credible suspect. spies4Martha (9:24:24 PM): Nobody ever defended him, not that the spies would be likely to do that overtly at this stage. spies4Zander (1:47:15 PM): spies4Zander (9:24:37 PM): From what Beverly told me, actually, you did spies4Martha (9:24:41 PM): If one of their own was in danger, the spies would take certain measures. spies4Martha (9:24:50 PM): Yes, but I was in the same position as Abrams at that stage. spies4Zander (1:47:33 PM): So what we see right there is Martha saying she only defended Abrams when they were both up for exile, correct? spies4Zander (1:47:40 PM): Let me scroll down a little spies4Zander (1:47:58 PM): spies4Zander (9:31:57 PM): You said that Spies would take drastic measures to save a fellow spy spies4Martha (9:32:05 PM): Did I? spies4Zander (9:32:12 PM): and you were not in the same boat with Abrams before you defended him. From what I've heard from many people... spies4Zander (1:48:18 PM): spies4Martha (9:32:29 PM): They didn't do anything, that's my point. spies4Zander (9:32:44 PM): Is that you dug your own grave and then tried to fight your way out of it... But trying to take Abrams off the block was not necessary for your own survival spies4Zander (9:33:00 PM): What I'm saying is, if you are a spy, saving Abrams could have been your "certain measure" spies4Zander (1:48:32 PM): spies4Martha (9:33:06 PM): OK... I got into the grave in the first place BECAUSE I was defending Abrams. spies4Zander (9:33:07 PM): you certainly turned the vote on a dime... spies4Martha (9:33:23 PM): People thought we were acting together because I was defending him. spies4Zander (9:33:52 PM): Martha, you are being contradictory... spies4Zander (1:48:56 PM): spies4Zander (9:36:40 PM): You said you were in the same position as Abrams in that stage spies4Zander (9:36:56 PM): Two times in one conversation Martha, you contradicted yourself... I don't want to be a jerk but you can understand why I'm suspect to this spies4Martha (9:37:42 PM): Yes, I can see that. spies4Zander (1:49:12 PM): In less than 10 minutes she changes her reason for defending Abrams, and I'm not supposed to find this suspect? spies4Zander (1:49:41 PM): especially when the contexts are complete opposites? spies4Zander (1:51:12 PM): So I'm not going to sit here and listen to why you and Lloyd think I'm basically retarded for not voting Kiyoshi when originally it was what I was going to do, and if Martha had not spoken to me in the first place trying to save herself and digging a grave by throwing around contradictions, then I would have remained on Kiyoshi. spies4Zander (1:51:37 PM): So I don't care if you feel like nobody else had reason to vote Martha, because until now you never asked me why and I sure do have good reason for why I voted her and I just proved it. spies4Adelaide (1:52:19 PM): Okay you proved your point. spies4Zander (1:52:20 PM): If anyone did this in a chat room, they would have been instantly exiled. You just don't contradict yourself for no reason spies4Zander (1:52:33 PM): Well I'm glad I did and now you can stop calling me stupid. Great. spies4Adelaide (1:54:35 PM): You proved your point as in you personally had a rational reason to vote martha. spies4Adelaide (1:54:51 PM): Lets leave it at that. spies4Adelaide (1:54:56 PM): I have to go but i will be back spies4Zander (1:55:02 PM): You are ridiculous! spies4Adelaide (1:55:06 PM): How? spies4Zander (1:55:13 PM): So I proved I had a rational point in voting for someone, but I'm' stupid for doing it?! spies4Zander (1:55:31 PM): My viewpoint - Unless there is a suspect and I have reason to distrust them fully and think they could be a spy, I will vote an inactive spies4Zander (1:55:45 PM): and when that occurred, I voted for Martha because of what she did. And you still think I'm stupid spies4Adelaide (1:55:55 PM): I never said you were stupid once/ spies4Adelaide (1:55:57 PM): did i? spies4Zander (1:56:02 PM): Hindsight is 20/20, Adelaide. We can't all be perfect, but when things fly around in our faces, we have to look at them spies4Zander (1:56:09 PM): ignoring that type of evidence is what lets spies advance spies4Zander (1:56:16 PM): You said I lacked common sense spies4Adelaide (1:57:43 PM): Yes I did, and i meant that as in you didnt vote inactive etc. At the time I thought you were one of the people always against it. I admitted that I was wrong there. I must apologise for thinking that and for being rude. spies4Adelaide (1:58:22 PM): I dont mean to come across bitchy here! spies4Adelaide (1:58:26 PM): i was a bit at the start spies4Adelaide (1:58:35 PM): Okay i was wrong :-z spies4Zander (1:58:44 PM): And I apologize for ranting to you so much, but for me, you were acting differently from how I knew you before the game, and that wasn't the Adelaide I wanted to be around spies4Zander (1:58:51 PM): I've been in your shoes before, so trust me I know how you feel spies4Zander (1:59:01 PM): Bandwagons lacking evidence only ruin the game spies4Adelaide (1:59:18 PM): Im glad you talked sense to me before I ranted off to other me! spies4Zander (1:59:21 PM): You just have to know who had reasons and who did not spies4Adelaide (1:59:23 PM): i mean other people spies4Zander (1:59:44 PM): I wouldn't say I talked sense in to you, I'm just glad I got to tell you my viewpoint before a huge war was started spies4Adelaide (1:59:48 PM): it seems emma had a good reason spies4Adelaide (2:00:16 PM): but ralph really got people to do it. i dont think it was suspicious i think ralph isnt thinking straight spies4Zander (2:00:36 PM): Ralph is very driven, but I don't know if that drive will catch spies, to be honest spies4Adelaide (2:00:41 PM): But i see now that martha is an idiot spies4Adelaide (2:00:44 PM): a bad citizen spies4Zander (2:01:14 PM): I wouldn't even say bad... Just reckless spies4Adelaide (2:01:46 PM): Ye, spineless spies4Adelaide (2:02:20 PM): Madison now theres a new spy on the block! spies4Adelaide (2:02:27 PM): i wanna see what she has to say first! spies4Adelaide (2:02:36 PM): i gtg really happy we had this talk! spies4Zander (2:03:20 PM): Me too, take care
PLEASE let me know what you think about this? Was I way too forward? Do you think I'll become a suspect now?
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Post by Angelica on Oct 11, 2007 13:17:43 GMT -5
I don't think so. People generally don't like to be discounted when they're telling the truth, they get angry. It's the liars who try and keep a level head because they're trying hard to convince you of what isn't true. I think you're okay for now, but we should keep our ear to the ground.
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Post by Zander on Oct 11, 2007 13:24:07 GMT -5
Okay. I honestly don't think Adelaide is smart enough to run off and turn it against me anyway, but we have to wait and see...
Thinking really really hard right now, my Imprisonment vote (Though as always, subject to change) would fall on Lise. She is laying low but she KNOWS she's smart... It's probably all part of self-preservation.
Also people with roles tend to lay very low early on so that they can establish some type of resistance and support from other citizens/abilities.
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Post by Angelica on Oct 11, 2007 13:27:02 GMT -5
Good point. And out of all the potential smart ones, she seems to be laying the lowest.
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Post by Angelica on Oct 11, 2007 15:44:13 GMT -5
Oh, and it seems that if Lloyd is not Imprisoned there is a reasonable possibility we can get him Exiled.
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Post by Faizah on Oct 11, 2007 18:12:28 GMT -5
Lloyd is 110% sure he is being exiled, which is why he maybe should or should not do him. I just dont think he will go next Exile....people tend to believe him more often times than not when he istn screaming his head off or worse.
I told Lloyd I thought Abrams would be imprisoned....so lets not do that. Lise seems fine to me.
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Post by Judge Sam on Oct 12, 2007 6:36:38 GMT -5
"You'll be safe in here."
Late at night, a mysterious person leads Jeremiah to an ancient castle. The drawbridge is lowered as Jeremiah enters.
"Don't leave. They can't get to you while the drawbridge is up."
Jeremiah is Immune from Imprisonment in Episode II. You cannot select him to be Imprisoned.
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Post by Angelica on Oct 12, 2007 7:11:42 GMT -5
Interesting. But I had no intention of picking him anyway.
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 10:50:36 GMT -5
Agreed, but NOW we have to think of who would pick Jeremiah to be safe. Is it one of his closer allies, or is it someone who just doesn't think he is a spy? ... After some thought, I'm still thinking Lise. Although, we have NO CHANCE of exiling Abrams. Perhaps we should just think during the day about the two... Gah, Nevermind, I hate second guessing myself. I still want to say Lise. (PS SAM, WHERE ARE OUR OTHER SPIES )
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 11:38:30 GMT -5
LLOYD, and I'm not budging I told Adelaide the spies would probably target someone who makes very few ripples, after she said it would probably be her or Lloyd. As long as nobody talks to Lloyd today about him going (I mean one of us three), we're golden.
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 12:15:54 GMT -5
Lol, Ralph is an idiot - he told Lloyd I thought I knew his identity so now Imprisoning Lloyd will be the most incriminate thing towards me ever.
Oh well, let's do it.
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 13:05:36 GMT -5
SHIT FUCK AHHHH!
Don't Imprison Lloyd...
Wait, Imprison Lloyd...
But don't...
Either way this is going to incriminate me, and we have to blame Ralph for that...
God damn it, Ralph. Either way, if the Imprisonment directly incriminates me, I can just say "Why would I Imprison Lloyd when he clearly would have had it traced back to me?!?!"
Let's Imprison Lloyd...
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Post by Angelica on Oct 12, 2007 14:04:44 GMT -5
I'm not 100% on this idea. I'm busy right now, finishing up an assignment that's due at 4 CST, so I'll be home at least by then. I'll keep this in the back of my mind for the next couple hours and try chatting people up when I get home.
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:17:53 GMT -5
I have minor issues with imprisoning Lloyd. One one hand, it might draw attention AWAY from my house, but then again, might do just the oppisite. I still think Singe or Kip. Yall do whatever is smart, I dont know how much longer I will be online for!
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:19:08 GMT -5
Also, that role seems like a Doctor type role from forum mafia...but we get to know who is safe instead of guessing.
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Post by Angelica on Oct 12, 2007 17:19:55 GMT -5
Lloyd's "I'm going to out you" isn't being all that well received, so I don't know if that's a real threat to us. Then again, it's your butt that's on the line. I think we're okay with Lise, but I'll defer to you on this one if you really think he needs to go.
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 17:38:24 GMT -5
I honestly just don't know. He's convinced Ralph or myself are spies and if we don't get him now, then it's possible that he'll just push for me this exile or something. I'm really friggin worried. And I think it could be smartest to get him gone while we still can.
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:54:29 GMT -5
Only thing is Z....if he is gone, you know he will go out DIVA style and out anyone and everyone he thinks is Mafia. He is already doing it in our house thread.
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:55:02 GMT -5
Well, screw it....he will do that anyway. We need to make a huge dent anyway so....Lloyd it is for me.
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 17:56:21 GMT -5
That's my point, whether he goes or not I could very well be gone, so why not just take him out and act like I was framed. You have pull in your diva house, try to use it to our advantage and make Madison the target this week. Point out that she was Lloyd's #1.
Also, do you have any information he's said in your family thread?
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:56:28 GMT -5
Faizahs Vote: Lloyd.
(I will be back on before time to change if I need to, or you guys can change it...whatever works. Sorry, but Fridays are hectic for me yall...lata!)
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:58:49 GMT -5
post this.....
I editted out my identity and clues to it. If you see any I missed, edit them out.... not that it will matter.
--------------------------------------------- spies4Ralph (12:26:44 PM): hey spies4Lloyd (12:27:48 PM): hi spies4Ralph (12:28:01 PM): i kno im not ure favorite person right now spies4Lloyd (12:28:09 PM): ive calmed down a bit spies4Ralph (12:28:25 PM): good spies4Lloyd (12:28:35 PM): have you heard my name come up? spies4Lloyd (12:28:40 PM): for exile? spies4Lloyd (12:28:48 PM): of course it has come up otherwise, lol spies4Lloyd (12:28:57 PM): but I wanna know if people are that stupid spies4Ralph (12:29:34 PM): i havent heard ure name i keep ehraing me madison naomi and ,kip spies4Lloyd (12:29:48 PM): naomi has dropped a few points on my list spies4Lloyd (12:30:02 PM): and its good to know that others agree wityh me about kip without me even having to voice it spies4Ralph (12:31:00 PM): i have also heard people think u are ***** (edited) from last season spies4Lloyd (12:31:16 PM): 3 different people have PMed me about who they think I am spies4Lloyd (12:31:19 PM): all different answers spies4Ralph (12:31:26 PM): lol i have no idea spies4Lloyd (12:31:42 PM): but the fact that people are spreading rumors means the spies are gonna be accusing me (right or wrong) spies4Lloyd (12:31:54 PM): **************************** spies4Ralph (12:32:25 PM): i hope i hjave gained ure trust back spies4Lloyd (12:32:54 PM): I never really distrusted you spies4Lloyd (12:33:16 PM): the fact that you were the one everyone said got martha out made me think you are cit spies4Ralph (12:33:51 PM): i made a mistake.....martha was the bad choice spies4Lloyd (12:34:12 PM): must... resist... urge .... to ... rub it in spies4Ralph (12:34:20 PM): ive realized that this is very different compared to real life mafia spies4Lloyd (12:34:31 PM): mmhmmm spies4Lloyd (12:35:37 PM): who was it who was saying they thought I was *******? spies4Ralph (12:35:58 PM): i will have to look in my convos i dont completyl remember spies4Lloyd (12:36:06 PM): it could be important spies4Ralph (12:36:19 PM): i wanna say zander but not sure spies4Lloyd (12:37:29 PM): so zander was talking about my identity? spies4Lloyd (12:37:38 PM): or were you not sure he was even there spies4Ralph (12:38:01 PM): he was there it was in a family discussion spies4Ralph (12:38:10 PM): im 90 percent sure it was him spies4Lloyd (12:38:16 PM): but he was there for sure spies4Ralph (12:38:22 PM): yes y? spies4Lloyd (12:38:31 PM): he is denying it spies4Ralph (12:38:42 PM): dont tell him i told u please spies4Lloyd (12:38:44 PM): ooops spies4Ralph (12:38:52 PM): shit! spies4Lloyd (12:38:55 PM): I jst did spies4Ralph (12:39:45 PM): hold on im looking to see if i saved convo spies4Ralph (12:39:57 PM): i dont think i did it was right after exile and iw as pretty pissed spies4Ralph (12:41:07 PM): i dont have it but Gordy was ther spies4Ralph (12:42:46 PM): spies4Ralph (11:40:29 AM): he started asking me if his identity was thrown around spies4Zander (11:42:15 AM): AND YOU TOLD HIM I SAID SOMETHING? spies4Ralph (11:40:49 AM): i was trying to figure out if he was the one who accused u spies4Zander (11:42:26 AM): Now he's attacking me and will probably try to get me exiled or something spies4Ralph (11:41:03 AM): jsut because he knows u re identity spies4Ralph (12:43:29 PM): do u know his indetityie spies4Ralph (12:44:29 PM): he is pissed spies4Lloyd (12:44:57 PM): no idea spies4Ralph (12:45:13 PM): he thinks u know spies4Lloyd (12:45:49 PM): i honestly dont spies4Ralph (12:45:59 PM): so Madison is ure target this week huh? spies4Lloyd (12:46:04 PM): not sure any more spies4Ralph (12:46:48 PM): well Lloyd after seeing how correct u were last week i would really like to know ure suspicions so i can take them into consideration all i learned last week is how wrong i am lol spies4Lloyd (12:47:02 PM): I have to re-work them spies4Lloyd (12:47:05 PM): after what just happened spies4Ralph (12:47:16 PM): do u suspect zander? spies4Lloyd (12:47:29 PM): do you have a copy of the convo where zander said this spies4Lloyd (12:47:32 PM): yes spies4Ralph (12:48:20 PM): the one where he revealed ure identity? spies4Lloyd (12:48:51 PM): yeah spies4Lloyd (12:48:55 PM): or his thought anyway spies4Ralph (12:50:08 PM): no i will haQVE TO ASK GORDY spies4Lloyd (12:50:25 PM): dont go bev on me spies4Ralph (12:50:41 PM): spies4Zander (11:42:56 AM): Ralph, I can't BELIEVE you would throw me under the bus like this! spies4Zander (11:43:11 AM): NOw he will probably spread my identity to everyone spies4Ralph (12:50:48 PM): THIS PPROVES THAT HE WAS UPSET I TOLD U THE TRUTH spies4Lloyd (12:50:58 PM): secrecy can only hurt us spies4Lloyd (12:51:01 PM): its best it came out spies4Lloyd (12:51:21 PM): wait.... isn't madison in your family... spies4Lloyd (12:51:25 PM): dont tell me she was there spies4Ralph (12:51:26 PM): yes spies4Lloyd (12:51:32 PM): please say no spies4Ralph (12:52:33 PM): i think everyone was there spies4Lloyd (12:52:46 PM): spies4Ralph (12:53:00 PM): i think she was in chat room but her aim said she was away spies4Lloyd (12:53:00 PM): I am willing to bet my balls that either zander OR madison is a spy spies4Lloyd (12:53:10 PM): so I have 6 accusations coming my way spies4Ralph (12:53:16 PM): U REALLY ARE ******* ARENT U!!!!! spies4Lloyd (12:53:18 PM): ******** spies4Lloyd (12:53:20 PM): ******** spies4Lloyd (12:53:24 PM): ********* spies4Ralph (12:53:34 PM): ******** spies4Lloyd (12:53:34 PM): I cant keep my identity worth shit spies4Lloyd (12:53:39 PM): ******** spies4Lloyd (12:53:41 PM):******** spies4Lloyd (12:53:50 PM): ******** spies4Lloyd (12:53:56 PM): ******** spies4Ralph (12:54:09 PM): ******* spies4Lloyd (12:54:29 PM): ******* spies4Lloyd (12:54:36 PM): ******** spies4Ralph (12:54:51 PM): he is pissed at me spies4Ralph (12:55:00 PM): spies4Zander (11:54:35 AM): You're going to get me exiled, Ralph. You really are spies4Zander (11:54:49 AM): And if Lloyd is a spy then I'll probably be Imprisoned spies4Lloyd (12:55:38 PM): what a dumbass spies4Lloyd (12:57:39 PM): did you discuss the martha vote with zander? spies4Lloyd (12:57:52 PM): or did he sway you towards martha rather spies4Ralph (12:58:12 PM): actually now that u mention it zander was all for the martha exile spies4Lloyd (12:58:21 PM): thought so spies4Ralph (12:59:16 PM): Zander was all for voting out a inactive then Gordy came in and said hannah and her group was voting Martha that is when Zander and Madison witched real quick and i followed spies4Ralph (12:59:25 PM): then i influenced angelica to do teh same spies4Lloyd (1:00:29 PM): urrrk spies4Lloyd (1:01:00 PM): so hannah first, then zander, then the rest of you, then angelica spies4Ralph (1:01:11 PM): yes spies4Lloyd (1:01:35 PM): k spies4Ralph (1:02:33 PM): i am now completly 10 percent sure ure cit spies4Ralph (1:02:36 PM): 100 spies4Lloyd (1:02:39 PM): spies4Gordy (11:37:21 PM): What's Lloyd's ID? We could use it against him. He's my number one target right now spies4Lloyd (1:02:42 PM): is this true? spies4Ralph (1:03:12 PM): i dont remember but i think this was after zander said he knew it spies4Ralph (1:03:41 PM): DAMN I WISH I HAD CONVO
spies4Ralph (1:04:38 PM): im gonna need ure help becasue my family is going to disown me spies4Lloyd (1:06:20 PM): out of the 4, I trust you most spies4Lloyd (1:06:23 PM): fuck color spies4Lloyd (1:06:28 PM): there spies4Ralph (1:06:44 PM): color? spies4Lloyd (1:07:52 PM): my text color spies4Lloyd (1:07:59 PM): changed when I quoted spies4Ralph (1:08:07 PM): lol spies4Ralph (1:08:23 PM): cahllenge is up spies4Lloyd (1:08:30 PM): oh lol spies4Lloyd (1:08:36 PM): way to much drama to do it spies4Ralph (1:10:24 PM): i trust Gordy 100 percent spies4Lloyd (1:10:38 PM): why spies4Ralph (1:10:58 PM): just from discussion and talks i am pretty sure he is sit spies4Ralph (1:11:01 PM): cit spies4Ralph (1:11:07 PM): i suck at typinf spies4Ralph (1:11:10 PM): typing spies4Lloyd (1:11:42 PM): I trust you 100 % now spies4Lloyd (1:12:12 PM): I was worried that you and zander were spies throwing gordy under the bus by you not having the convo, and zander refusing to send it spies4Lloyd (1:12:16 PM): I thought it didn't exist spies4Lloyd (1:12:23 PM): but now that its in front of me spies4Lloyd (1:12:30 PM): you seem most safe of the 3 spies4Ralph (1:12:58 PM): no....GORDY IS LEGIT!!!!! spies4Ralph (1:13:09 PM): im not throwing him under bus for sure spies4Lloyd (1:13:12 PM): I know spies4Lloyd (1:13:17 PM): thats what I said I feel now spies4Ralph (1:13:44 PM): isnt that weird how that played out u thought i was throwing Gordy then immdeiatly after that i said i trust Gordy spies4Ralph (1:13:58 PM): lol we ahve espn or something spies4Lloyd (1:14:37 PM): lol spies4Ralph (1:15:00 PM): the only problem is me and u are never online at same time spies4Lloyd (1:15:41 PM): i know, I am skipping class right now, lol spies4Ralph (1:16:11 PM): lol spies4Ralph (1:17:35 PM): ********* spies4Ralph (1:19:32 PM): xander made a big post in our family forum about how pissed he is spies4Lloyd (1:19:43 PM): lol spies4Ralph (1:23:18 PM): well i will be back later spies4Lloyd (1:23:27 PM): seeya spies4Ralph signed off at 1:24:19 PM. spies4Ralph is offline and will receive your IMs when signing back in ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + ---------------------------------------------------------------- spies4Zander (12:29:10 PM): Hey spies4Lloyd (12:29:22 PM): hi spies4Zander (12:29:23 PM): Long time no talk spies4Lloyd (12:29:29 PM): life has been hectic spies4Lloyd (12:29:35 PM): and upsetting obviously spies4Zander (12:29:43 PM): Yeah... spies4Zander (12:30:10 PM): I already spoke my peace with Adelaide yesterday, but obviously I'm not happy that Martha wasn't a spy. We just have to stop tearing each other apart, because we won't get anywhere with that rationality spies4Zander (12:30:14 PM): or lack thereof spies4Lloyd (12:30:32 PM): I am so nervous I will be imprisoned spies4Lloyd (12:30:45 PM): I just flew off the handle without even considering it spies4Lloyd (12:30:48 PM): I feel so stupid spies4Zander (12:31:01 PM): I can't blame you spies4Zander (12:31:29 PM): I don't know how the Imprisonment is going to go, or who the spies are going to target, but I'm more nervous for my family than I am for myself at this point spies4Zander (12:31:49 PM): I think Ralph made himself a big target of the spies, and I'm worried about myself, but who isn't? spies4Lloyd (12:32:21 PM): I think ralph made himself more a target for the citz spies4Zander (12:32:30 PM): Really?? spies4Lloyd (12:32:29 PM): not that I suspect him spies4Lloyd (12:32:38 PM): well he was a big factor in martha going spies4Zander (12:32:44 PM): I think it's pretty obvious he has a lot of sway, I would consider the spies would find him a bigger threat spies4Lloyd (12:33:32 PM): true spies4Zander (12:34:00 PM): I guess we'll find out tonight, this part always sucks the most - at least with an exile you can try to prevent something spies4Lloyd (12:34:23 PM): yeah spies4Zander (12:35:27 PM): I'm glad that Naomi is at least trying to forge ahead though spies4Zander (12:36:03 PM): If we can all take our information public it shouldn't be that hard to make some sense out of everything, and slap some sense into those who make none spies4Lloyd (12:36:50 PM): have you heard discussion about my identity? spies4Zander (12:37:10 PM): Other than the one conversation we had where you said it was obvious who some people were, no, hah! spies4Lloyd (12:38:28 PM): that's not what ralph says spies4Zander (12:39:20 PM): Aha, so Ralph told you that he knows I think I know (wow) who you are? spies4Lloyd (12:39:30 PM): yup spies4Zander (12:39:40 PM): I suspect that likewise you are the same spies4Lloyd (12:39:40 PM): I am shocked that you would spread such info spies4Lloyd (12:39:53 PM): regardless of whether or not it is true spies4Zander (12:39:58 PM): Well, let me justify something a bit for you spies4Zander (12:40:21 PM): One, I did not reveal who I actually thought you were. Two, I did not accuse you. Three, I only brought this up because Ralph mentioned something about exiling you and I passed it off nonchalantly spies4Zander (12:40:41 PM): I'm not going to play dirty enough to go out and accuse people for no reason, and I haven't spies4Lloyd (12:41:04 PM): I think its best if this convo was made public spies4Lloyd (12:41:07 PM): the convo in wuestion spies4Lloyd (12:41:10 PM): question spies4Zander (12:41:26 PM): I'm sure you would think that, however, I'm also sure you've had conversations about my identity then, with Ralph? spies4Lloyd (12:41:40 PM): none at all spies4Zander (12:41:54 PM): Really? spies4Zander (12:42:01 PM): So instead you just talked about my thoughts spies4Lloyd (12:43:51 PM): he just said that people think I am **** spies4Zander (12:44:04 PM): I never told him who I thought you were spies4Zander (12:44:51 PM): At least, I really really don't think I did spies4Zander (12:45:10 PM): let me see if I have it saved spies4Lloyd (12:45:21 PM): this is what happens when people spread others identity's for no good reason spies4Zander (12:45:24 PM): I remember he and Gordy were bugging me about telling who I thought you were, but I don't think I did spies4Zander (12:45:33 PM): I didn't spread your identity around spies4Lloyd (12:45:37 PM): then how did they know you thought I was ***** spies4Zander (12:45:38 PM): I didn't even ACCUSE YOU spies4Lloyd (12:46:36 PM): if you are truly a cit, you will keep your theory of my identity quiet spies4Zander (12:46:43 PM): Which I have spies4Zander (12:46:57 PM): I don't suspect you Lloyd, so why would I want people to accuse you? spies4Lloyd (12:47:15 PM): just telloing you spies4Zander (12:47:16 PM): Especially when I haven't even done so because I have no reason to want you gone? spies4Zander (12:47:41 PM): From what Ralph says, neither one of us seriously suspects the other, so it's smarter if we work together than worrying about identity crap spies4Lloyd (12:48:11 PM): I never gave anyone any indication that I dont suspect you spies4Zander (12:48:17 PM): Ralph told me you didnt spies4Zander (12:49:04 PM): Either way, you can believe what you want, that I spread your identity or something though I didn't, but I just think it's smarter to collaborate than worry about identities spies4Zander (12:49:12 PM): which is why I didn't accuse this past round, although clearly you did? spies4Lloyd (12:49:23 PM): yes, but I didn spies4Lloyd (12:49:26 PM): t spies4Lloyd (12:49:31 PM): tell anyone who I thought was who spies4Zander (12:49:44 PM): Neither did I! Agh spies4Zander (12:58:45 PM): Lloyd, I just want to make something clear spies4Lloyd (12:59:01 PM): that you are gonna imprison me? spies4Zander (12:59:15 PM): The topic of your identity came up as something that Gordy and Ralph were intersted in knowing, because I was accused and they wondered who accused me spies4Zander (12:59:29 PM): Oh come on Lloyd, stop being freaking ridiculous spies4Lloyd (12:59:40 PM): and you expressed your thought on who I was spies4Zander (12:59:48 PM): No, I said spies4Lloyd (12:59:56 PM): we'll see when gordy gets on spies4Zander (1:00:02 PM): 1. I think I know who accused me and 2. I think I know the identity of the person who accused me spies4Zander (1:00:12 PM): Well, I foudn the chat, so you don't have to wait spies4Zander (1:00:29 PM): if you shut up, you can let me explain spies4Lloyd (1:01:14 PM): I have shut up long ago spies4Lloyd (1:01:17 PM): you may continue spies4Zander (1:01:56 PM): I then told them it was Lloyd, though I was not 100% sure I thought it was you spies4Zander (1:02:01 PM): Gordy says spies4Zander (1:02:25 PM): spies4Gordy (11:37:21 PM): What's Lloyd's ID? We could use it against him. He's my number one target right now spies4Zander (1:02:41 PM): spies4Ralph (11:37:21 PM): i have no past spies knowledge if u would like me to make the accusation u think it is about him iwill be happy to do that so we can find out if ure right spies4Zander (1:02:47 PM): that was right before Gordy said that spies4Zander (1:03:02 PM): spies4Ralph (11:37:45 PM): and u dont waste ure accusation spies4Zander (11:38:14 PM): I'm just afraid of the information getting in the wrong hands, what if we become targets because he knows we're accusing him? spies4Lloyd (1:03:28 PM): could you just PM the log spies4Zander (1:03:42 PM): So you could try to incriminate me more? Great plan! spies4Zander (1:03:50 PM): You already think I'm a spy and I'm going to imprison you, so why not? spies4Zander (1:03:59 PM): I think you're playing reverse psychology here and it's not going to work spies4Lloyd (1:04:27 PM): no, because you seem to be throwing gordy under the bus spies4Zander (1:04:41 PM): I then did proceed to tell them who I thought you were (Clearly I thought I waited a bit longer), and we speculated a bit about your identity spies4Zander (1:04:45 PM): I'm not throwing gordy under the bus spies4Zander (1:04:48 PM): I'm posting chat excerpts spies4Zander (1:04:56 PM): What the hell is your problem? spies4Lloyd (1:05:14 PM): that these could be made up spies4Lloyd (1:05:24 PM): whole chats are harder to fake spies4Zander (1:05:26 PM): Ask the guys if they have chat excerpts too then spies4Lloyd (1:05:35 PM): ralph said he doesn't spies4Zander (1:05:38 PM): here, let me copy/paste whole segments spies4Lloyd (1:05:41 PM): the whole thing i mean spies4Zander (1:05:47 PM): spies4Zander (11:36:07 PM): I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was him spies4Ralph (11:37:21 PM): i have no past spies knowledge if u would like me to make the accusation u think it is about him iwill be happy to do that so we can find out if ure right spies4Gordy (11:37:21 PM): What's Lloyd's ID? We could use it against him. He's my number one target right now spies4Ralph (11:37:45 PM): and u dont waste ure accusation spies4Lloyd (1:05:48 PM): no, I want the whole thing spies4Zander (1:06:11 PM): I know what you want and I don't want to give it to you so you can run around and incriminate me spies4Zander (1:06:29 PM): Ask them if they recall having this conversation spies4Zander (1:06:34 PM): Then we'll see who's making things up spies4Lloyd (1:06:35 PM): ralph does spies4Lloyd (1:06:43 PM): he said he remembers it spies4Lloyd (1:06:48 PM): but doesn't have the log spies4Zander (1:07:03 PM): So even though he remembers the conversation, he doesn't have the log and that means I'm lying? spies4Lloyd (1:07:03 PM): why wont you just send me the fucking lof spies4Lloyd (1:07:11 PM): log spies4Zander (1:07:17 PM): Because I know you will use it against me like you already are! spies4Lloyd (1:07:36 PM): I just wanna clear this up spies4Zander (1:07:39 PM): And the part where I reveal your identity, or what I think it is, basically could reveal my identity as well! spies4Lloyd (1:07:41 PM): your refusal is more suspicious spies4Zander (1:07:43 PM): And why would I do something like that spies4Zander (1:07:50 PM): I'm more afraid of you accusing me spies4Lloyd (1:08:14 PM): your identity never crossed my mind spies4Lloyd (1:08:17 PM): until now spies4Zander (1:08:29 PM): But you can understand why I have such a hard time believing that spies4Zander (1:08:41 PM): after receiving an accusation vote this past exile, and you blatantly saying "Some people are so easy to figure out" spies4Lloyd (1:08:50 PM): I understand spies4Lloyd (1:08:58 PM): I didn;t say people were easy to fifure out spies4Lloyd (1:09:04 PM): I just said I made many accuses spies4Zander (1:09:10 PM): God damn it, if Ralph didn't say anything, then I wouldn't have had to worry about this... spies4Zander (1:09:31 PM): If this log reveals my identity, them I'm basically screwed because I can start counting the accusation votes now, I'm sure spies4Zander (1:09:45 PM): And if I suspected you AT ALL, I wouldn't be sending this spies4Zander (1:11:11 PM): There. Use it however you want spies4Lloyd (1:11:15 PM): k spies4Zander (1:15:00 PM): Thoughts? spies4Lloyd (1:15:51 PM): still reading being distracted spies4Zander (1:16:05 PM): sorry spies4Lloyd (1:16:14 PM): not you spies4Lloyd (1:16:15 PM): lol spies4Lloyd (1:18:28 PM): I know who you are spies4Zander (1:18:33 PM): Figures spies4Zander (1:18:40 PM): And you didn't accuse me? Seriously? spies4Lloyd (1:18:39 PM): well, its actually down to 2 people spies4Lloyd (1:18:43 PM): I dont think so spies4Lloyd (1:18:48 PM): I accused like 10 people spies4Zander (1:19:01 PM): This is such a crappy conversation. If either one of us is a spy the other is basically doomed lol spies4Lloyd (1:19:14 PM): not with theunanimous majority plan spies4Zander (1:19:26 PM): Well, that's true I guess spies4Lloyd (1:19:32 PM): sam kills accusation votes when it gets later in the game.... remember spies4Zander (1:19:40 PM): True... spies4Zander (1:20:05 PM): But if I back off my family from accusing then you have no more accusation vote spies4Zander (1:20:06 PM): *votes spies4Lloyd (1:20:16 PM): ahhh, I narrowed the 2 down to 1 spies4Lloyd (1:20:21 PM): I got ya spies4Lloyd (1:20:24 PM): lol -------------------------------------------------
And here is the log that Zander sent me.
-------------------------------------------- spies4Ralph (10:36:57 PM): u accused zander spies4Zander (10:38:34 PM): Who accused me? spies4Zander (10:38:45 PM): I have a feeling Kiyoshi is gone... spies4madison (10:39:35 PM): I didn't accuse, i have no clue about people. I don't want to know to be honest. spies4Gordy (10:39:51 PM): me neither and now MArtha is mad at me spies4madison (10:40:29 PM): why mad at you? spies4Gordy (10:42:29 PM): I have no idea other than that she really has a lot of faces spies4Zander (10:43:45 PM): I think Kiyoshi is leaving spies4Gordy (10:43:56 PM): I think I fucked Martha over spies4Zander (10:44:10 PM): I think Martha fucked herself over spies4Gordy (10:44:28 PM): that too spies4Zander (10:44:59 PM): oh god, one is me spies4Zander (10:45:23 PM): this is too nerve racking... spies4Zander (10:45:40 PM): Here comes the tiebreaker... spies4Gordy (10:45:52 PM): spies4Ralph (10:46:55 PM): YES spies4Zander (10:47:11 PM): Let's not celebrate yet, we don't know if she was a spy or not... I really hope so though spies4Gordy (10:48:09 PM): OMG she is batshit! spies4Ralph (10:52:03 PM): our fault spies4Gordy (10:53:12 PM): She was Tyson so I'm not sad anymore. Good riddance spies4Zander (10:54:17 PM): Hah! spies4Zander (10:54:24 PM): I'm guessing you have a history with Yves, then spies4Gordy (10:55:43 PM): Is Yves a guy or a girl? spies4Zander (10:56:01 PM): dude spies4Gordy (10:56:38 PM): haha! spies4Gordy (10:56:54 PM): I can rest peacefully tonight spies4Ralph (10:57:15 PM): im so angry spies4Ralph (10:59:35 PM): Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:45 PM): YOU. Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:14 PM): If you had voted for Kiyoshi like I had said, it'd be a tie, and Naomi would have removed Kiyoshi. spies4Ralph (10:59:51 PM): Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:28 PM): See, I hold every single one of you guys responsible for this shit. spies4Gordy (11:05:36 PM): </3 Jer spies4Ralph (11:06:04 PM): im sorry guys..... spies4Zander (11:07:58 PM): didn't Naomi vote for Martha? or am I wrong spies4Ralph (11:08:14 PM): no seh voted bev spies4Gordy (11:08:52 PM): Naomi said if it was a tie she'd eliminate Kiyoshi spies4Ralph (11:09:03 PM): i know spies4Ralph (11:23:14 PM): jeremiah is targeting ebv his exact words were we have to burn bev spies4Gordy (11:25:51 PM): Jer is targeting Bev now? spies4Gordy (11:26:05 PM): is Lloyd cool with that? haha they're basically a couple spies4Ralph (11:26:07 PM): thats what it looks like spies4Ralph (11:31:14 PM): we gotta watch it someone knows zandars identity spies4Gordy (11:32:06 PM): We wouldn't them to make others accuse Zander too spies4Ralph (11:32:28 PM): i knwo spies4Gordy (11:33:32 PM): Poor Zander. What gave you away? spies4Ralph (11:33:50 PM): ? spies4Zander (11:33:52 PM): I don't know, but I have a feeling I know 1. Who accused me and 2. The identity of who accused me spies4Ralph (11:34:42 PM): care to share spies4Zander (11:34:48 PM): It's Lloyd spies4Ralph (11:35:13 PM): are u sure? spies4Zander (11:35:18 PM): I don't think he actually suspects me, I think he just accused me to see if he knew who I was spies4Ralph (11:35:40 PM): and he did spies4Zander (11:35:57 PM): Although generally the only reason for someone to accuse is if they're a spy to get identity knowledge on their hands, or if someone suspects someone else of being a spy and needs the votes to eliminate them spies4Zander (11:36:07 PM): I'm not 100% sure, but I think it was him spies4Ralph (11:37:21 PM): i have no past spies knowledge if u would like me to make the accusation u think it is about him iwill be happy to do that so we can find out if ure right spies4Gordy (11:37:21 PM): What's Lloyd's ID? We could use it against him. He's my number one target right now spies4Ralph (11:37:45 PM): and u dont waste ure accusation spies4Zander (11:38:14 PM): I'm just afraid of the information getting in the wrong hands, what if we become targets because he knows we're accusing him? spies4Zander (11:38:29 PM): I wouldn't recommend using them just yet... But I think he is ******** spies4Ralph (11:38:44 PM): i wont use it but i will accuse it to see if we are right would u like me too ---------------------------------------
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Faizah
Faizah
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Post by Faizah on Oct 12, 2007 17:59:28 GMT -5
Make sure you add that it doesn't really give a solid indication to any of the three more than any other, but the suspiciousness is still there.
Zander for carelessly handing out identities. Ralph for creating (offering) alliances with Me, Singe, Zander, probably more. Gordy for being a sneaky son of a gun.
Remember, Madison was there too.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 18:07:54 GMT -5
After Lloyd is Imprisoned tonight, try to mentions omething in your family thread about his conversations that points out how excited Ralph was to see Martha go..
I also have evidence in chat logs for why I voted Martha, if I need to post them somehow I will.
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Zander
Zander
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 18:09:15 GMT -5
It might be the worst idea ever, but can spies Imprison spies? Because Imprisoning me guarantees Lloyd AND Ralph for exile. It could be a smart idea...
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Post by Angelica on Oct 12, 2007 18:15:52 GMT -5
That IS possibly the worst idea ever. Haha
I'm voting for Lloyd, hope this works out well.
I won't be around much longer. So if Zander and Faizah decided they want to change to someone else, I'll follow their lead.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Oct 12, 2007 19:24:20 GMT -5
LMAO, by the way, don't be dumb like me and tell people Imprisonment is tonight.
I swear I'm going to get myself exiled. I shouldnt have accepted the spy role, I suck so far. Here's praying that you guys have more spies out there to help you win.
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