Imprisonment V: due noon Sunday

[Judge Sam]

Post your vote here.

[Judge Sam]

"You'll be safe in here."


Late at night, a mysterious person leads Kip and Summer and Adelaide to an nondescript house in the middle of town. The person knocks on the door and a lady lets you inside.


"Don't leave. They won't be able to find you here."





Kip and Summer and Adelaide are Immune from Imprisonment in Episode IV. You cannot select them to be Imprisoned.

[Zander]

Are you pooping me? All of them!?

Oh well...



I think we should Imprison Gordy... He said he had a role to keep people safe and it somehow keeps happening.


I think he's the person that keeps doing this. We just have to be careful, there's a 1% chance Ralph was saying he was mirrorman to protect Gordy who could actually be Mirrorman, but I don't believe that.


My vote is for Gordy.

[Judge Sam]

You have a little more time if needed now that Imprisonment is pushed back.

[Zander]

Faizah, please come on.



Who do you think we should Imprison?


I think we need to Imprison citizens, and we need to find the ones with the powerful roles. ESPECIALLY those that keep preventing others from being Imprisoned.



Sam said there are 3 powerful citizen roles, and we know there are 3 spies left. 3 spies without powerful roles. We need to be more worried about the 14 citizens that remain against the 5 spies, or we'll never win. I've been saying htis all game - Kip and Singe are full of crap, they just want us to eliminate each other so it's easier for the citizens to pull off the endgame. Eliminating other spies with your Imprisonment is foolish, and it only makes it harder for us to win.




So anyway, who do you think?

[Zander]

Keep in mind at one point Gordy SAID he was the "schism maker". What an intelligent role to claim if he was.

[Zander]

I'm voting for Singe to be Imprisoned.


He's too much of a threat to us, even if he's voting the wrong way. He's gotta go.

[Faizah]

Shew, lets not imprison Singe...he is confirmed cit. I say Gordy.

Sorry Z I am working all weekend, I am on my break as we speak...I will be online tomorrow night.

[Zander]

Wait, I'm confused. Why do you not want to Imprison a confirmed citizen? They are our biggest threat.


Singe and Gordy are both confirmed, we asked about both of them in our question thing...

[Zander]

I think we're set on Singe... Right?

[Zander]

spies4Faizah (1:28:50 AM): actually...ok
spies4Faizah (1:28:57 AM): no one is EVER going to exile Singe
spies4Faizah (1:28:59 AM): so it is a good idea.




^ Confirmation that we agreed The whole convo is posted in my confessional.

[Judge Sam]

All Spies must offer their own opinions, ideas, options, and votes. No one will be bullied or left out in this democracy. It is recommended that you list a variety of options.


When you are ready to make your final vote, post it here. You can change your vote at any time. I will then count the votes, the person with the most votes will be Imprisoned. With 3 people there's really no reason to create voting priorities because there will always be one person with a majority. If you are the only one voting for someone and it's close to the deadline, post one other vote you would support if no one else votes for your first choice.

The instructions are not hard: pick someone to go and say "I vote for ____." by the deadline. You guys even had an extra 18 hours than usual. Only votes posted here count; I cannot intuit what your opinions are from secondary sources. This is what I see:


Zander: Votes Gordy.
Zander: Switches to Singe.
Faizah: Says not Singe. Votes Gordy.


From this we have a tie. One vote Singe, one vote Gordy.

When it is a tie, each Spy casts a vote on their second opinion. Your second opinions are:

Faizah: Not Singe.
Zander: Gordy is one selection.


Meaning that Gordy will be Imprisoned tonight. Please please don't make me intuit your opinions like this any more: come to a decision as a group and post your vote here. Each person gets one vote and must post it here.

[Zander]

If Gordy is the mirrorman and I get Imprisoned, I am never going to let Faizah live it down.

[Faizah]

I think we are just being paranoid. Even if he does have a role, it isnt that powerfull. Plus Ralph told me AFTER he was exiled that HE was the one with that power. I just think Gordy is a innocent.

[Zander]

zander said:

I'm voting for Singe to be Imprisoned.


He's too much of a threat to us, even if he's voting the wrong way. He's gotta go.

This move lost us the game

If we had Imprisoned Singe, we never would have had to worry about the Johan drama and Candy would have trusted me to the end. x 10000000000

[Summer]

Disagree. You still had things like Lloyd's imprisonment / Ralph's exile pointing at you.

[Zander]

Which I could have easily passed off as circumstancial in light of Leon's more circumstancial evidence. Also keep in mind at the time I was dealing with the backlash of people thinking I somehow told Mistaki to imprison Johan (Which I never did)...

I planned on Imprisoning Johan after Singe, had the Singe thing gone off well. Imprisoning Singe meant no restrictions on Imprisonment, which meant Johan would have gone next, which meant Gordy would not have come back, which meant Candy would have thought I was confirmed since he told her I was, which meant I could have taken someone like Damon (or really almost anyone) with us to the Final 3 if I really wanted to (Or I could have imprisoned her to frame someone else) and possibly won. I really think keeping Singe in, especially since he turned up as bodyguard, really is what screwed us for the rest of the game. We had to waste an imprisonment on Adelaide (Taking Candy out would have traced right to me and I needed her on my side, and I never thought Gordy would come back to unconfirm me).


Under the circumstances that happened at the time, and even in retrospect... I would defend this as the thing that lost the game for us. With Gordy not coming back it would have been much much easier to win.

[Candy]

How would you imprisoning me in episode VIII trace back to you?

[Zander]

I felt like since you and I were working so close together at that point and, since I didn't know you were playing everyone and you totally trusted me, your imprisonment would be totally foolish - besides Faizah, who I had to hide my trust with in lots of aspects, I wouldn't have really had anyone on my side when something went wrong. In Imprisonment 7 it was the smartest play to get rid of Adelaide, who was basically confirmed by everyone. Especially since you were almost exiled shortly thereafter (but your role kept you safe), we knew you were high on people's suspect lists and could potentially be exiled, and we still weren't totally sure you were the fatemaker.

The Gordy variable is one that can't be solved though. He told me he would have investigated me as a Trad. at his next guess, which would have been wrong, and he probably would have confirmed me from that, as he did in the message to you...

So whether Gordy stayed in the game or not, who knows if things would have been different. If Singe had been taken out when I wanted, I really think they would have. I won't say it's unfair that Singe wasn't chosen and Gordy was (Though the convenience of it all is certainly there), but I wish that a conversation would have been acceptable confirmation because it could have saved us some trouble that we had with later protections from imprisonment.

[Singe]

Thanks for not making your nightkill of me perfectly clear.

Also, it's interesting to note that suddenly this Episode you decided it was important to take out the Bodyguard, and you almost did so by accident.

[Zander]

I think it's funny that there was so much speculation over who had what roles, but for so long I was convinced it was Johan that was the Fatemaker, which is why I wanted him out. I don't think we ever properly pinpointed who the bodyguard was until you came public with it. For a while I thought it was Jeremiah, then Gordy, then Bunni, but never Singe

[Masaki]

I speak for my team when I say we had no clue Singe had a role =)

[Singe]

zander said:

I don't think we ever properly pinpointed who the bodyguard was until you came public with it. For a while I thought it was Jeremiah, then Gordy, then Bunni, but never Singe

You mean til Candy whispered it to you and Faizah lol.

[Candy]

The spies in the spy LL thought it was a trap.