Post by Naomi on Oct 10, 2007 22:19:49 GMT -5
Ok, this conversation takes place during the exile of martha.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:46 PM): Hey there.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:52 PM): I do believe we're neighbors.
spies4Naomi (3:47:15 PM): Oh hey
spies4Naomi (3:47:24 PM): I don't think we've talked yet!
spies4Naomi (3:47:30 PM): what's up?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:26 PM): We have not had that chance.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:40 PM): Well, I wanted to ask your reasoning about Martha and Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:51 PM): Personally, I don't suspect either of them, but why don't you?
spies4Naomi (3:48:52 PM): Ah
spies4Naomi (3:48:59 PM): I'm ready for that now lol
spies4Naomi (3:49:14 PM): it's because all of abrams tells are not spy tells
spies4Naomi (3:49:17 PM): they're noob tells
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:14 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:21 PM): That's what I've been telling everyone.
spies4Naomi (3:49:33 PM): overzealousness, poor word choice...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:30 PM): He may be an idiot, but idiot =! spy.
spies4Naomi (3:49:39 PM): right
spies4Naomi (3:49:42 PM): martha...
spies4Naomi (3:49:48 PM): well I can't vote her anyway
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:48 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:52 PM): Families and all.
spies4Naomi (3:50:01 PM): even if I could I'd give it a while first
spies4Naomi (3:50:15 PM): she's said spy like things, but not enough yet
spies4Naomi (3:50:24 PM): and it's all through the grapevine!
spies4Naomi (3:50:33 PM): I haven't had her trip up on me
spies4Naomi (3:50:39 PM): and I know her pretty well
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:50:48 PM): Ah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:04 PM): You mean you know who she is outside of the game?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:10 PM): Or just through talking.
spies4Naomi (3:51:53 PM): though talking
spies4Naomi (3:52:27 PM): what about you though?
spies4Naomi (3:52:34 PM): going for martha?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:37 PM): I've been thinking about it.
spies4Naomi (3:52:45 PM): you know there are 23 others to vote for
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:48 PM): However, I hate easy votes.
spies4Naomi (3:52:55 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:56 PM): It's why I don't want to vote Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:06 PM): Personally, I don't like Cain.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:11 PM): He does basically nothing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:26 PM): Also, the only post I've seen him make was to try and incriminate Abrams.
spies4Naomi (3:53:42 PM): I see it as all of cain martha and abrams are easy votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:00 PM): But at the same time, I don't want to make a throwaway vote.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:14 PM): Honestly, I think I'm leaning towards Cain for exile.
spies4Naomi (3:54:28 PM): I try and justify something on my own and seek out a different reason to vote someone other than the popular reasonings
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:33 PM): Yeah, same here.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:40 PM): Which is why I'm voting for Cain.
spies4Naomi (3:54:51 PM): I think cain would be a good safe bet. I doubt he's voted for someone
spies4Naomi (3:55:15 PM): and that you bring up that he tries to incriminate abrams is unique
spies4Naomi (3:55:19 PM): and good reasoning
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:31 PM): I'm going to wait for a couple hours to vote, but I'm pretty sure he's my choice.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:47 PM): Above all else, I just want to make sure Martha and Abrams don't get offed.
spies4Naomi (3:56:10 PM): good choice, I agree
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:13 PM): If you can talk to your family, I can talk to mine and Ralph's.
spies4Naomi (3:56:38 PM): ralph in particular has a 'gut feeling' about abrams...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:52 PM): I'm suspicious of Ralph too, though.
spies4Naomi (3:56:57 PM): we're not voting for abrams, I can tell you that
spies4Naomi (3:57:03 PM): why?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:59 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:11 PM): Well, first off, Ralph has been a bit dodgy.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:24 PM): First, he wanted to MAKE SURE that I had his back in voting and stuff.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:44 PM): Second, when I brought up not voting for Abrams, he got really touchy.
spies4Naomi (3:57:54 PM): (misspelling and typos are a sign of someone hiding something, fyi)
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:57 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:04 PM): It means people are hasty and scattered.
spies4Naomi (3:58:14 PM): Ralph does it a lot
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:13 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:24 PM): I'm going to go talk to Ralph about the whole thing.
spies4Naomi (3:58:31 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (3:58:36 PM): I talked to him last night
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:36 PM): Wait... when'd he log off?
spies4Naomi (3:58:41 PM): about it
spies4Naomi (3:58:46 PM): idk
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:41 PM): Damn.
spies4Naomi (3:58:51 PM): he'll be back I'm sure
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:56 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:38 PM): Then explain it to me.
spies4Naomi (4:18:49 PM): Alright
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:46 PM): Why Beverly, and not Cain.
spies4Naomi (4:19:01 PM): Let's think a moment
spies4Naomi (4:19:23 PM): Beverly is acting...hmm...very noticable.
spies4Naomi (4:19:26 PM): right?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:19:25 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:19:31 PM): and cain, not so mcuh
spies4Naomi (4:19:34 PM): *much
spies4Naomi (4:19:46 PM): so with just that on hand, right cain would be perfect!
spies4Naomi (4:19:55 PM): but lets analyze further
spies4Naomi (4:20:13 PM): beverly set herself up to be able to hide something in plain sight.
spies4Naomi (4:20:25 PM): not a very citizen like move
spies4Naomi (4:21:12 PM): cain, is doing one of two things, he is either a spy who thinks it's best to remove himself, or a citizen who doesn't have a chance to participate yet.
spies4Naomi (4:21:23 PM): either way, you could put that one off
spies4Naomi (4:21:38 PM): because it's not like he's swaying anyone's opinion
spies4Naomi (4:21:46 PM): save it for later you know?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:21:47 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:22:05 PM): But with beverly, look how much influence she's garnered already!
spies4Naomi (4:22:14 PM): just by acting stupid!
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:11 PM): Right.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:21 PM): She's managed to get a rather large backing.
spies4Naomi (4:22:26 PM): she's a genius
spies4Naomi (4:22:57 PM): she knew that it would be the last thing to think of, thereby being my first to consider
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:06 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:23:37 PM): she is becoming too huge of a person, with too unstable of opinions, and it's not safe for us
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:39 PM): I think the whole Abrams making nice thing was to attempt to avoid being offed because of early suspicion.
spies4Naomi (4:23:53 PM): she has a mob now. and they follow her
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:15 PM): And the thing with her telling only a couple people about the Abrams thing was that she wanted to try and stir up the Abrams bandwagon.
spies4Naomi (4:24:32 PM): now do you see my point?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:43 PM): Indeed.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:52 PM): However, I need to remember one thing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:13 PM): As valid a point as it is, your fear of her could come from you being a spy, and scared of her voting power.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:30 PM): I'm not accusing you, just remarking that it's something that could come up.
spies4Naomi (4:26:03 PM): no, that's not what I'm worried about
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:07 PM): No, that's what I'M worried about.
spies4Naomi (4:26:29 PM): what I am concerned for is random spats she has with people, and the war that comes after it
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:26 PM): When random voting is going down, a character like Beverly is a HUGE problem for the spies.
spies4Naomi (4:26:44 PM): I will say this
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:54 PM): I think her random fights are her way of trying to figure out personalities.
spies4Naomi (4:27:02 PM): you are right, beverly puts a huge amount of pressure on the spies
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:01 PM): She's trying to get people to slip up.
spies4Naomi (4:27:09 PM): right
spies4Naomi (4:27:12 PM): I do like that
spies4Naomi (4:27:28 PM): but it only furthers my point that SHE'S NOT DUMB
spies4Naomi (4:27:43 PM): and if she's not dumb she's acting, and hiding something
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:59 PM): Personally, I thnk we benefit from having her around, at least in the short term
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:28:45 PM): Especially since the "random feuds" she keeps having could make certain people slip up and reveal something.
spies4Naomi (4:29:22 PM): or making innocent people suspicious
spies4Naomi (4:29:29 PM): remember abrams
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:34 PM): But it's day goddamn one.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:43 PM): Of course shit is going to go down that makes people suspicious.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:52 PM): But she provokes discussion that can give us clues.
spies4Naomi (4:30:13 PM): anyone can do that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:27 PM): Right, but they aren't.
spies4Naomi (4:30:41 PM): the fact that it's a clear as day suspect isn't helping though
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:49 PM): Here's my belief on why her feuds jump around.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:06 PM): Once she has seen or heard enough to clear a person, she moves on.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:23 PM): Once it became semi-clear that Abrams wasn't a spy, she droped that.
spies4Naomi (4:33:37 PM): well, just because of an apology?
spies4Naomi (4:33:44 PM): martha did that as well
spies4Naomi (4:40:00 PM): adelaide has a point
spies4Naomi (4:40:22 PM): it does create separation amongst us as well as pressure on the specific person
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:40:43 PM): Yeah.
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Spies4 Jeremiah (9:17:25 PM): You're the Tiebreaker, correct?
spies4Naomi (9:17:38 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:17:41 PM): Who'd you vote?
spies4Naomi (9:18:07 PM): beverly
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:06 PM): I'm just trying to get a sense, just because I don't want Martha going down in a tie, when there's no need for it to happen.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:08 PM): Oh, okay.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:27 PM): If it came down to Martha and Kiyoshi, who would you cast your vote for?
spies4Naomi (9:18:38 PM): ouch
spies4Naomi (9:18:40 PM): martha
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:38 PM): Why?
spies4Naomi (9:19:00 PM): because she has said really really spy-sounding things
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:19:00 PM): Honestly, we need to be able to remove the inactives, so that we have the full power of our voting for the next days.
spies4Naomi (9:19:09 PM): let me get back to you
spies4Naomi (9:23:22 PM): Ok
spies4Naomi (9:23:42 PM): the way sam has this little game rigged...inactives will clear themselves
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:23:45 PM): No.
spies4Naomi (9:23:51 PM): the vote on inactive is a waste
spies4Naomi (9:24:00 PM): how not?
spies4Naomi (9:24:05 PM): now I will give you this
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:05 PM): They get SELF-VOTES.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:23 PM): Meaning that the round in which an inactive ejects himself is a wasted exile day due to being voted out by himself.
spies4Naomi (9:24:41 PM): if kiyoshi voted! And did NOT recieve self votes, then he is my biggest suspect
spies4Naomi (9:24:43 PM): no no no
spies4Naomi (9:24:49 PM): well, kinda
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:48 PM): Yes.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:25:11 PM): Self votes will destroy our voting power in later days until he is removed.
spies4Naomi (9:25:23 PM): look, the goal then is to get more votes on someone else for that exile then, and remember after the third one, they just get removed
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:25:35 PM): No, did you read what sam said in the inactive penalties.
spies4Naomi (9:25:58 PM): "No I completely ignored that~?~" OF COURSE I DID
spies4Naomi (9:26:06 PM): we just see it differently
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:06 PM): they would get 5,000 self-votes at the next Exile and be eliminated then.
spies4Naomi (9:26:20 PM): *sigh*
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:16 PM): See, only one person gets voted out in an exile.
spies4Naomi (9:26:26 PM): you're not understanding
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:27 PM): No, I am.
spies4Naomi (9:26:39 PM): at the third time they don't vote, they're simply removed
spies4Naomi (9:26:46 PM): no wasted exile
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:00 PM): There's no chance it'll get to that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:13 PM): The second day that he does nothing, he gets fourteen self-votes.
spies4Naomi (9:27:24 PM): what?
spies4Naomi (9:27:24 PM): no
spies4Naomi (9:27:28 PM): he gets 10
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:34 PM): Plus the four for not posting conversations.
spies4Naomi (9:27:46 PM): hmm
spies4Naomi (9:27:50 PM): that's true...
spies4Naomi (9:27:52 PM): ok jere
spies4Naomi (9:27:59 PM): this is what I'll do
spies4Naomi (9:28:06 PM): you bring up a good point
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:03 PM): Honestly, if it wasn't like this, I wouldn't be pushing for his removal.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:08 PM): I don't like voting inactives.
spies4Naomi (9:28:20 PM): but I really think that we can wait until after this exile
spies4Naomi (9:28:24 PM): then we'll do his
spies4Naomi (9:28:31 PM): there's no reason for it now
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:27 PM): But when they have the ability to ruin later votes, they become huge problems.
spies4Naomi (9:28:51 PM): He's only got that one exile to ruin votes
spies4Naomi (9:28:55 PM): after that he's gone
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:29:08 PM): Yes, but that's still one more exile than I care to waste.
spies4Naomi (9:30:50 PM): why waste this one?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:30:58 PM): We have dick for evidence right now.
spies4Naomi (9:31:18 PM): *sigh* turue
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:15 PM): First Votes are always wasted.
spies4Naomi (9:31:20 PM): *true
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:22 PM): Why waste a second one when we can help it?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:42 PM): Besides, either he voted, in which case WTF, he's done, or he gets eight self-votes and is fucked.
spies4Naomi (9:31:50 PM): I honestly think kiyoshi can just be replaced.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:57 PM): Probably not going to happen.
spies4Naomi (9:32:08 PM): sam wouldn't screw the cits like that!
spies4Naomi (9:32:18 PM): he'll try at least
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:32:25 PM): Given the large number of players, and the fact that Sherri had to take an early imprisonment, I'd say that there aren't any replacements around.
spies4Naomi (9:32:35 PM): and I think that's better than a dead citizen...because chances are that he is
spies4Naomi (9:33:00 PM): ah...this sucks
spies4Naomi (9:33:04 PM): I'm gonna have to say
spies4Naomi (9:33:26 PM): ok, I see your logic, but I'm watching those on that wagon carefully
spies4Naomi (9:33:39 PM): kiyoshi is the easiest vote right now
spies4Naomi (9:33:46 PM): and a wagon will form
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:45:52 PM): Down to you, girl.
spies4Naomi (9:46:12 PM): oh.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:46:13 PM): Martha is the bandwagon right now, and Kiyoshi was my plan to get her saved.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:46:20 PM): Emma voted for Kiyoshi.
spies4Naomi (9:47:21 PM): my stomach hurts...
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:47:33 PM): Holy shit.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:47:37 PM): HO
spies4Naomi (9:56:50 PM): ugh...
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:56:54 PM): You guys screwed the pooch.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:56:56 PM): Big time.
spies4Naomi (9:57:04 PM): I would've gone kiyoshi
spies4Naomi (9:57:07 PM): had it been a tie
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:12 PM): Yes, but that doesn't matter.
spies4Naomi (9:57:19 PM): you convinced me there
spies4Naomi (9:57:27 PM): it was close jere, very
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:41 PM): IT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSE WHEN SOMEONE RACKS UP SEVEN GOD DAMN SELF VOTES.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:59 PM): Especially when someone made the mistake of telling someone that he didn't trust them.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:11 PM): In all honesty, this is Beverly's fault.
spies4Naomi (9:58:40 PM): what?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:38 PM): She blew this the hell up, and she is the reason we offed a citizen.
spies4Naomi (9:59:20 PM): well...I told you that she creates that rift
spies4Naomi (9:59:25 PM): but forget it
spies4Naomi (9:59:31 PM): it wouldn't have mattered
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:37 PM): Nah, I understand.
spies4Naomi (9:59:48 PM): that really stressed me out
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:56 PM): I fucked up in that sense, but there's no way we could have offed Beverly today.
spies4Naomi (10:00:05 PM): it's just a game, yet I am having trouble breathing...
spies4Naomi (10:00:14 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:00:25 PM): Now we have to beat god damn twelve to fourteen self votes just to actually get a decent god damn exile.
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:00:31 PM): Tomorrow is fucked.
spies4Naomi (10:00:39 PM): no no
spies4Naomi (10:00:50 PM): let's put our heads together on something
spies4Naomi (10:00:55 PM): we'll find something, ok?
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:01:09 PM): I'm going to petition sam to instantly remove Kiyoshi without self-votes if he doesn't vote tomorrow.
spies4Naomi (10:01:49 PM): if we find evidence on someone, very incriminating evidence, then those votes won't matter
spies4Naomi (10:02:10 PM): and we'll have the first spies game to beat the second time around self votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:02:09 PM): But if shit gets fractured, then Kiyo gets to control the vote through inactivity.
spies4Naomi (10:02:34 PM): I can see this happening; we won't let it fracture
spies4Naomi (10:02:44 PM): I'll work something up ok jere? You with me?
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:02:53 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (10:03:18 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (10:03:24 PM): I'll think of something
spies4Naomi (10:03:32 PM): we need unity to get through the next exile
spies4Naomi (10:03:37 PM): and I got just the idea
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:03:39 PM): Yeah?
spies4Naomi (10:04:12 PM): remember Sherri. She said we have to stick together. I can use her dying words to fix this
spies4Naomi (10:04:30 PM): she obviously knew something, she had a deal with the moderator
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:04:28 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:04:53 PM): In the meantime, I'm going to try to talk to Sam and see if he can help us prevent a ruined vote by inactivity.
spies4Naomi (10:05:08 PM): ok jere
spies4Naomi (10:05:22 PM): I think we can get through the next one man
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:05:24 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:46 PM): Hey there.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:46:52 PM): I do believe we're neighbors.
spies4Naomi (3:47:15 PM): Oh hey
spies4Naomi (3:47:24 PM): I don't think we've talked yet!
spies4Naomi (3:47:30 PM): what's up?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:26 PM): We have not had that chance.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:40 PM): Well, I wanted to ask your reasoning about Martha and Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:47:51 PM): Personally, I don't suspect either of them, but why don't you?
spies4Naomi (3:48:52 PM): Ah
spies4Naomi (3:48:59 PM): I'm ready for that now lol
spies4Naomi (3:49:14 PM): it's because all of abrams tells are not spy tells
spies4Naomi (3:49:17 PM): they're noob tells
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:14 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:21 PM): That's what I've been telling everyone.
spies4Naomi (3:49:33 PM): overzealousness, poor word choice...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:30 PM): He may be an idiot, but idiot =! spy.
spies4Naomi (3:49:39 PM): right
spies4Naomi (3:49:42 PM): martha...
spies4Naomi (3:49:48 PM): well I can't vote her anyway
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:48 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:49:52 PM): Families and all.
spies4Naomi (3:50:01 PM): even if I could I'd give it a while first
spies4Naomi (3:50:15 PM): she's said spy like things, but not enough yet
spies4Naomi (3:50:24 PM): and it's all through the grapevine!
spies4Naomi (3:50:33 PM): I haven't had her trip up on me
spies4Naomi (3:50:39 PM): and I know her pretty well
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:50:48 PM): Ah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:04 PM): You mean you know who she is outside of the game?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:51:10 PM): Or just through talking.
spies4Naomi (3:51:53 PM): though talking
spies4Naomi (3:52:27 PM): what about you though?
spies4Naomi (3:52:34 PM): going for martha?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:37 PM): I've been thinking about it.
spies4Naomi (3:52:45 PM): you know there are 23 others to vote for
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:48 PM): However, I hate easy votes.
spies4Naomi (3:52:55 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:52:56 PM): It's why I don't want to vote Abrams.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:06 PM): Personally, I don't like Cain.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:11 PM): He does basically nothing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:53:26 PM): Also, the only post I've seen him make was to try and incriminate Abrams.
spies4Naomi (3:53:42 PM): I see it as all of cain martha and abrams are easy votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:00 PM): But at the same time, I don't want to make a throwaway vote.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:14 PM): Honestly, I think I'm leaning towards Cain for exile.
spies4Naomi (3:54:28 PM): I try and justify something on my own and seek out a different reason to vote someone other than the popular reasonings
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:33 PM): Yeah, same here.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:54:40 PM): Which is why I'm voting for Cain.
spies4Naomi (3:54:51 PM): I think cain would be a good safe bet. I doubt he's voted for someone
spies4Naomi (3:55:15 PM): and that you bring up that he tries to incriminate abrams is unique
spies4Naomi (3:55:19 PM): and good reasoning
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:31 PM): I'm going to wait for a couple hours to vote, but I'm pretty sure he's my choice.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:55:47 PM): Above all else, I just want to make sure Martha and Abrams don't get offed.
spies4Naomi (3:56:10 PM): good choice, I agree
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:13 PM): If you can talk to your family, I can talk to mine and Ralph's.
spies4Naomi (3:56:38 PM): ralph in particular has a 'gut feeling' about abrams...
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:52 PM): I'm suspicious of Ralph too, though.
spies4Naomi (3:56:57 PM): we're not voting for abrams, I can tell you that
spies4Naomi (3:57:03 PM): why?
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:56:59 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:11 PM): Well, first off, Ralph has been a bit dodgy.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:24 PM): First, he wanted to MAKE SURE that I had his back in voting and stuff.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:44 PM): Second, when I brought up not voting for Abrams, he got really touchy.
spies4Naomi (3:57:54 PM): (misspelling and typos are a sign of someone hiding something, fyi)
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:57:57 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:04 PM): It means people are hasty and scattered.
spies4Naomi (3:58:14 PM): Ralph does it a lot
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:13 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:24 PM): I'm going to go talk to Ralph about the whole thing.
spies4Naomi (3:58:31 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (3:58:36 PM): I talked to him last night
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:36 PM): Wait... when'd he log off?
spies4Naomi (3:58:41 PM): about it
spies4Naomi (3:58:46 PM): idk
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:41 PM): Damn.
spies4Naomi (3:58:51 PM): he'll be back I'm sure
Spies4 Jeremiah (3:58:56 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:38 PM): Then explain it to me.
spies4Naomi (4:18:49 PM): Alright
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:18:46 PM): Why Beverly, and not Cain.
spies4Naomi (4:19:01 PM): Let's think a moment
spies4Naomi (4:19:23 PM): Beverly is acting...hmm...very noticable.
spies4Naomi (4:19:26 PM): right?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:19:25 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:19:31 PM): and cain, not so mcuh
spies4Naomi (4:19:34 PM): *much
spies4Naomi (4:19:46 PM): so with just that on hand, right cain would be perfect!
spies4Naomi (4:19:55 PM): but lets analyze further
spies4Naomi (4:20:13 PM): beverly set herself up to be able to hide something in plain sight.
spies4Naomi (4:20:25 PM): not a very citizen like move
spies4Naomi (4:21:12 PM): cain, is doing one of two things, he is either a spy who thinks it's best to remove himself, or a citizen who doesn't have a chance to participate yet.
spies4Naomi (4:21:23 PM): either way, you could put that one off
spies4Naomi (4:21:38 PM): because it's not like he's swaying anyone's opinion
spies4Naomi (4:21:46 PM): save it for later you know?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:21:47 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:22:05 PM): But with beverly, look how much influence she's garnered already!
spies4Naomi (4:22:14 PM): just by acting stupid!
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:11 PM): Right.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:22:21 PM): She's managed to get a rather large backing.
spies4Naomi (4:22:26 PM): she's a genius
spies4Naomi (4:22:57 PM): she knew that it would be the last thing to think of, thereby being my first to consider
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:06 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (4:23:37 PM): she is becoming too huge of a person, with too unstable of opinions, and it's not safe for us
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:23:39 PM): I think the whole Abrams making nice thing was to attempt to avoid being offed because of early suspicion.
spies4Naomi (4:23:53 PM): she has a mob now. and they follow her
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:15 PM): And the thing with her telling only a couple people about the Abrams thing was that she wanted to try and stir up the Abrams bandwagon.
spies4Naomi (4:24:32 PM): now do you see my point?
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:43 PM): Indeed.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:24:52 PM): However, I need to remember one thing.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:13 PM): As valid a point as it is, your fear of her could come from you being a spy, and scared of her voting power.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:25:30 PM): I'm not accusing you, just remarking that it's something that could come up.
spies4Naomi (4:26:03 PM): no, that's not what I'm worried about
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:07 PM): No, that's what I'M worried about.
spies4Naomi (4:26:29 PM): what I am concerned for is random spats she has with people, and the war that comes after it
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:26 PM): When random voting is going down, a character like Beverly is a HUGE problem for the spies.
spies4Naomi (4:26:44 PM): I will say this
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:26:54 PM): I think her random fights are her way of trying to figure out personalities.
spies4Naomi (4:27:02 PM): you are right, beverly puts a huge amount of pressure on the spies
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:01 PM): She's trying to get people to slip up.
spies4Naomi (4:27:09 PM): right
spies4Naomi (4:27:12 PM): I do like that
spies4Naomi (4:27:28 PM): but it only furthers my point that SHE'S NOT DUMB
spies4Naomi (4:27:43 PM): and if she's not dumb she's acting, and hiding something
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:27:59 PM): Personally, I thnk we benefit from having her around, at least in the short term
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:28:45 PM): Especially since the "random feuds" she keeps having could make certain people slip up and reveal something.
spies4Naomi (4:29:22 PM): or making innocent people suspicious
spies4Naomi (4:29:29 PM): remember abrams
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:34 PM): But it's day goddamn one.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:43 PM): Of course shit is going to go down that makes people suspicious.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:29:52 PM): But she provokes discussion that can give us clues.
spies4Naomi (4:30:13 PM): anyone can do that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:27 PM): Right, but they aren't.
spies4Naomi (4:30:41 PM): the fact that it's a clear as day suspect isn't helping though
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:30:49 PM): Here's my belief on why her feuds jump around.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:06 PM): Once she has seen or heard enough to clear a person, she moves on.
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:31:23 PM): Once it became semi-clear that Abrams wasn't a spy, she droped that.
spies4Naomi (4:33:37 PM): well, just because of an apology?
spies4Naomi (4:33:44 PM): martha did that as well
spies4Naomi (4:40:00 PM): adelaide has a point
spies4Naomi (4:40:22 PM): it does create separation amongst us as well as pressure on the specific person
Spies4 Jeremiah (4:40:43 PM): Yeah.
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Spies4 Jeremiah (9:17:25 PM): You're the Tiebreaker, correct?
spies4Naomi (9:17:38 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:17:41 PM): Who'd you vote?
spies4Naomi (9:18:07 PM): beverly
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:06 PM): I'm just trying to get a sense, just because I don't want Martha going down in a tie, when there's no need for it to happen.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:08 PM): Oh, okay.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:27 PM): If it came down to Martha and Kiyoshi, who would you cast your vote for?
spies4Naomi (9:18:38 PM): ouch
spies4Naomi (9:18:40 PM): martha
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:18:38 PM): Why?
spies4Naomi (9:19:00 PM): because she has said really really spy-sounding things
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:19:00 PM): Honestly, we need to be able to remove the inactives, so that we have the full power of our voting for the next days.
spies4Naomi (9:19:09 PM): let me get back to you
spies4Naomi (9:23:22 PM): Ok
spies4Naomi (9:23:42 PM): the way sam has this little game rigged...inactives will clear themselves
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:23:45 PM): No.
spies4Naomi (9:23:51 PM): the vote on inactive is a waste
spies4Naomi (9:24:00 PM): how not?
spies4Naomi (9:24:05 PM): now I will give you this
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:05 PM): They get SELF-VOTES.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:23 PM): Meaning that the round in which an inactive ejects himself is a wasted exile day due to being voted out by himself.
spies4Naomi (9:24:41 PM): if kiyoshi voted! And did NOT recieve self votes, then he is my biggest suspect
spies4Naomi (9:24:43 PM): no no no
spies4Naomi (9:24:49 PM): well, kinda
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:24:48 PM): Yes.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:25:11 PM): Self votes will destroy our voting power in later days until he is removed.
spies4Naomi (9:25:23 PM): look, the goal then is to get more votes on someone else for that exile then, and remember after the third one, they just get removed
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:25:35 PM): No, did you read what sam said in the inactive penalties.
spies4Naomi (9:25:58 PM): "No I completely ignored that~?~" OF COURSE I DID
spies4Naomi (9:26:06 PM): we just see it differently
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:06 PM): they would get 5,000 self-votes at the next Exile and be eliminated then.
spies4Naomi (9:26:20 PM): *sigh*
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:16 PM): See, only one person gets voted out in an exile.
spies4Naomi (9:26:26 PM): you're not understanding
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:26:27 PM): No, I am.
spies4Naomi (9:26:39 PM): at the third time they don't vote, they're simply removed
spies4Naomi (9:26:46 PM): no wasted exile
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:00 PM): There's no chance it'll get to that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:13 PM): The second day that he does nothing, he gets fourteen self-votes.
spies4Naomi (9:27:24 PM): what?
spies4Naomi (9:27:24 PM): no
spies4Naomi (9:27:28 PM): he gets 10
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:27:34 PM): Plus the four for not posting conversations.
spies4Naomi (9:27:46 PM): hmm
spies4Naomi (9:27:50 PM): that's true...
spies4Naomi (9:27:52 PM): ok jere
spies4Naomi (9:27:59 PM): this is what I'll do
spies4Naomi (9:28:06 PM): you bring up a good point
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:03 PM): Honestly, if it wasn't like this, I wouldn't be pushing for his removal.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:08 PM): I don't like voting inactives.
spies4Naomi (9:28:20 PM): but I really think that we can wait until after this exile
spies4Naomi (9:28:24 PM): then we'll do his
spies4Naomi (9:28:31 PM): there's no reason for it now
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:28:27 PM): But when they have the ability to ruin later votes, they become huge problems.
spies4Naomi (9:28:51 PM): He's only got that one exile to ruin votes
spies4Naomi (9:28:55 PM): after that he's gone
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:29:08 PM): Yes, but that's still one more exile than I care to waste.
spies4Naomi (9:30:50 PM): why waste this one?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:30:58 PM): We have dick for evidence right now.
spies4Naomi (9:31:18 PM): *sigh* turue
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:15 PM): First Votes are always wasted.
spies4Naomi (9:31:20 PM): *true
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:22 PM): Why waste a second one when we can help it?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:42 PM): Besides, either he voted, in which case WTF, he's done, or he gets eight self-votes and is fucked.
spies4Naomi (9:31:50 PM): I honestly think kiyoshi can just be replaced.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:31:57 PM): Probably not going to happen.
spies4Naomi (9:32:08 PM): sam wouldn't screw the cits like that!
spies4Naomi (9:32:18 PM): he'll try at least
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:32:25 PM): Given the large number of players, and the fact that Sherri had to take an early imprisonment, I'd say that there aren't any replacements around.
spies4Naomi (9:32:35 PM): and I think that's better than a dead citizen...because chances are that he is
spies4Naomi (9:33:00 PM): ah...this sucks
spies4Naomi (9:33:04 PM): I'm gonna have to say
spies4Naomi (9:33:26 PM): ok, I see your logic, but I'm watching those on that wagon carefully
spies4Naomi (9:33:39 PM): kiyoshi is the easiest vote right now
spies4Naomi (9:33:46 PM): and a wagon will form
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:45:52 PM): Down to you, girl.
spies4Naomi (9:46:12 PM): oh.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:46:13 PM): Martha is the bandwagon right now, and Kiyoshi was my plan to get her saved.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:46:20 PM): Emma voted for Kiyoshi.
spies4Naomi (9:47:21 PM): my stomach hurts...
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:47:33 PM): Holy shit.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:47:37 PM): HO
spies4Naomi (9:56:50 PM): ugh...
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:56:54 PM): You guys screwed the pooch.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:56:56 PM): Big time.
spies4Naomi (9:57:04 PM): I would've gone kiyoshi
spies4Naomi (9:57:07 PM): had it been a tie
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:12 PM): Yes, but that doesn't matter.
spies4Naomi (9:57:19 PM): you convinced me there
spies4Naomi (9:57:27 PM): it was close jere, very
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:41 PM): IT SHOULDN'T BE CLOSE WHEN SOMEONE RACKS UP SEVEN GOD DAMN SELF VOTES.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:57:59 PM): Especially when someone made the mistake of telling someone that he didn't trust them.
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:11 PM): In all honesty, this is Beverly's fault.
spies4Naomi (9:58:40 PM): what?
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:58:38 PM): She blew this the hell up, and she is the reason we offed a citizen.
spies4Naomi (9:59:20 PM): well...I told you that she creates that rift
spies4Naomi (9:59:25 PM): but forget it
spies4Naomi (9:59:31 PM): it wouldn't have mattered
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:37 PM): Nah, I understand.
spies4Naomi (9:59:48 PM): that really stressed me out
Spies4 Jeremiah (9:59:56 PM): I fucked up in that sense, but there's no way we could have offed Beverly today.
spies4Naomi (10:00:05 PM): it's just a game, yet I am having trouble breathing...
spies4Naomi (10:00:14 PM): yeah
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:00:25 PM): Now we have to beat god damn twelve to fourteen self votes just to actually get a decent god damn exile.
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:00:31 PM): Tomorrow is fucked.
spies4Naomi (10:00:39 PM): no no
spies4Naomi (10:00:50 PM): let's put our heads together on something
spies4Naomi (10:00:55 PM): we'll find something, ok?
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:01:09 PM): I'm going to petition sam to instantly remove Kiyoshi without self-votes if he doesn't vote tomorrow.
spies4Naomi (10:01:49 PM): if we find evidence on someone, very incriminating evidence, then those votes won't matter
spies4Naomi (10:02:10 PM): and we'll have the first spies game to beat the second time around self votes
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:02:09 PM): But if shit gets fractured, then Kiyo gets to control the vote through inactivity.
spies4Naomi (10:02:34 PM): I can see this happening; we won't let it fracture
spies4Naomi (10:02:44 PM): I'll work something up ok jere? You with me?
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:02:53 PM): Yeah.
spies4Naomi (10:03:18 PM): ok
spies4Naomi (10:03:24 PM): I'll think of something
spies4Naomi (10:03:32 PM): we need unity to get through the next exile
spies4Naomi (10:03:37 PM): and I got just the idea
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:03:39 PM): Yeah?
spies4Naomi (10:04:12 PM): remember Sherri. She said we have to stick together. I can use her dying words to fix this
spies4Naomi (10:04:30 PM): she obviously knew something, she had a deal with the moderator
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:04:28 PM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:04:53 PM): In the meantime, I'm going to try to talk to Sam and see if he can help us prevent a ruined vote by inactivity.
spies4Naomi (10:05:08 PM): ok jere
spies4Naomi (10:05:22 PM): I think we can get through the next one man
Spies4 Jeremiah (10:05:24 PM): Yeah.
