Plans for Exile III?

[Judge Sam]

Spill.

[Naomi]

Well my little ralphie is toast for his group. Mwah ha ha...but I'm still getting info out of him. So I can't voice my suspicions yet. Second: There's no one in our group I really suspect! I guess I can join a gordy wagon, but thats about it.

[Beverly]

I think our main focus should be this investigation. We should all give each other our points. Try talk to everyone for a good amount of time. We need these points!

[Masaki]

I'll give you some juice, Sam, as I know that's what you're looking for.

I've posted all conversations relating to this in my confessional if you want to see the specifics, but this is pretty much how everything went down and how we plan on having things work for tonight:

First, whoever chose these groups, put all four of us Spies in one group in such a beautiful manner. This gives us 1/3 of the sway in this next vote. Of course, families play a part, but that person can be forced not to participate in a potential runner-up wagon. What this means is that if we, the Spies, want to exile someone, we only need six votes if one of us is not going to participate, because we can trash our vote, preventing the other wagon from also receiving six votes and giving Gordy the opportunity to use the tiebreaker. More on this later...

All this drama stems from Ralph : He claimed he had some sort of role called the mirrorman to Lloyd, and claimed he had no idea why he was given such a role until the twist was revealed. Lloyd didn't buy it, because the role not only forces Ralph to sacrifice himself by losing the game(Ralph claims the mirrorman role will execute one of the Spies in the group that imprisoned him, but will not save him from imprisonment). Lloyd shortly after was imprisoned.

Ralph, in his own defense, claimed he knew who picked the two groups for the exile. He refused to tell Jeremiah or me who it was while the three of us were in the chatroom that Lloyd had just left from when he was imprisoned. The next day I spoke with Gordy, who, in a panic because he was split from his family and paranoid about being exiled, told me that Ralph spoke with him and made it sound like he(Gordy) was the one who picked the groups. Gordy denied this, and I told this to Jeremiah, who all of a sudden had some sort of "brilliant" plan to initiate some kind of "covert investigation," which somehow involved Gordy and Zander, and did not influence his suspicion over Ralph.

This is sketchy, because he later decides that he has 100% trust in Gordy's citizenship, refuses to tell me why, and refuses to tell me what his covert investigation is. Perfect juice for getting a not-so-liked yet dangerously vocal Jeremiah exiled.

But just to be sure, I talked with people, as I'm sure the others did. Candy told me the following :

[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:46:28 PM] spies4Candy: Spies4 Jeremiah: You're lucky that I'm telling you. I've only been telling my current allies.
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:46:38 PM] spies4Masaki: Heh
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:46:43 PM] spies4Masaki: What'd he tell you?
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:47:12 PM] spies4Candy: I have to make sure I didn't tell him I wouldn't tell
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:47:15 PM] spies4Candy: 1 sec lemme reread
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:47:25 PM] spies4Candy: Because if I give my word, I don't break it
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:48:20 PM] spies4Candy: Okay
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:48:21 PM] spies4Candy: Spies4 Jeremiah: Unlike Ralph, who told me, I won't spill.
Spies4 Jeremiah: I hold my trust and honor as rather paramount.
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:48:35 PM] spies4Candy: Later
[Thursday, 10-18-2007, 23:48:36 PM] spies4Candy: Spies4 Jeremiah: Except he didn't tell Ralph his role.

So not only does Jeremiah imply that Gordy has a role, he is telling this to someone who he is near certain is a Spy....! Even more damning evidence to use against Jeremiah. Yet in reality, it's fairly obvious he's setting someone up to take a fall. I went to talk to Gordy again last night, and he made it sound like he trusted Jeremiah only slightly more than he trusted Candy, and claimed he had no role. Whether or not it's true, if he claims he doesn't have a role, then it becomes apparent that Jeremiah is a liar and only casts more of a shadow of doubt on his sketchy behavior.

But what's REALLY going on here?

I think there are three possibilities :

1) Jeremiah doesn't trust Gordy one bit, and is setting him up to take a hit from imprisonment by pouring his "full trust" into him. Yet, Jeremiah wants this to happen because he suspects Gordy.

2) Gordy really does have a role that Jeremiah is impressed by, and Jeremiah really does trust Gordy. Gordy is playing dumb and pretending not to have a role.

3) Gordy is the mirrorman and Jeremiah is setting the Spies up. For some reason, Gordy is willing to have himself sacrificed. For some reason also, Jeremiah now believes this is the case in Gordy's case but not Ralph's. Perhaps this is the reason why he believes Ralph to be a Spy, still.

Regardless, Jeremiah can be exiled very easily this episode.

The people who are definitely on board with the plan and willing to vote AGAINST Jeremiah are :

*) Masaki, Naomi, Beverly, Hannah, and Candy

The people who we suspect we can push on board are :

*) Bunni & Johan

The people who's votes are irrelevant :

*) Emma

The people who will probably go along with Jeremiah's plan :

*) Jeremiah, Gordy, Damon, and Leon


So we're basically a group of eleven, because we can't use Emma against Jeremiah, yet Jeremiah can't use Emma against the others. This means one group needs to get six votes in order to win this exile. We already have five definite people on board, we just need one more, unless something has changed since I signed off last night.

[Masaki]

Ugh - I'm thinking I won't be here tonight for the exile. I'll stay on as late as I can to see that things stay on track, though. So far, things are looking good. There is an abundant amount of support for Jeremiah's exile, even outside of our exile group. Unfortunately, I've yet to see anyone online who is one of our questionable supporters. I'll try and fix that this afternoon.

The other problem is the investigation. It will be risky giving the points to Candy, because Kip and co. are working on giving it to Singe. My question is whether or not we have a problem with giving the investigation to Singe? I know it'd be a risk, but if we support him, I tihnk there's a decent chance we can get him to waste it on someone like Gordy or Madison. Also, Singe suspects Kip more than he does Beverly. I think it might be a safe alternative to consider.

Kip has voiced support for Jeremiah going home, so we don't have to worry about backlash from him.

[Beverly]

Johan and Bunni are not questionable. Definitely on board.

Singe suspects me?

[Masaki]

Ok, if they're definitely on board, then this plan is definitely a go. The only thing I'm worried about is the fallout from if/when Jeremiah is revealed as a Citizen. I think we hare more than enough to justify what we've done.

Also get ready for Jeremiah to fight this like a dog.

[Beverly]

He could be a spy. Although, very unlikely.

Oh, and I spoke with Kip; looks like Singe is investigating Candy, Abrams, or Madison for sure. I'm bringing out the "Abrams made up with me right after exile" thing again.

[Naomi]

just tell me who to give my points to. I think I've got 8 or 9 as of right now.

I am all for jeremiah being exiled. Let me post my convo with him here for you guys.

spies4Naomi (12:48:49 AM): hey
spies4Naomi (12:48:56 AM): what the hell are you doing

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:48:56 AM): Getting bitched out by Ralph.

spies4Naomi (12:49:16 AM): well
spies4Naomi (12:49:24 AM): why do you think that is...?
spies4Naomi (12:49:32 AM): you're doing everything wrong here.
spies4Naomi (12:49:43 AM): if it was a great plan, KEEP IT QUIET
spies4Naomi (12:49:51 AM): hell you didn't even tell em
spies4Naomi (12:49:53 AM): *me
spies4Naomi (12:49:56 AM): and I know about it
spies4Naomi (12:50:29 AM): and if you didn't want zander to know, you might want to think about not telling everyone

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:50:29 AM): I didn't tell anyone.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:50:32 AM): er...
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:50:35 AM): Didn't tell everyone.

spies4Naomi (12:50:44 AM): ...

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:50:46 AM): I told... maybe three people max.

spies4Naomi (12:51:05 AM): you told enough people to let it leak
spies4Naomi (12:51:16 AM): if I know about it...
spies4Naomi (12:51:23 AM): what's to keep it from spreading?
spies4Naomi (12:51:45 AM): I don't know what role gordy has, but it's not worth all of this
spies4Naomi (12:51:53 AM): you're going to get him imprisoned

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:51:48 AM): Good.

spies4Naomi (12:52:01 AM): ...?

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:51:54 AM): I won't tell you why, but good.

spies4Naomi (12:52:14 AM): lol, is gordy the mirrorman?

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:52:13 AM): Nope.

spies4Naomi (12:52:31 AM): jeremiah
spies4Naomi (12:52:38 AM): I'm not going to blindside you
spies4Naomi (12:52:44 AM): you look suspicious as hell
spies4Naomi (12:53:03 AM): ever since exile two you haven't said shit to me
spies4Naomi (12:53:06 AM): and we were cool

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:53:06 AM): Honestly, weird shit went down.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:53:12 AM): Friends had fallouts with friends.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:53:21 AM): I'm working on a Black Belt with Tae Kwon Do
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:53:25 AM): and college.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:53:41 AM): I don't start conversations, and you never sent me anything.

spies4Naomi (12:54:00 AM): well for starters
spies4Naomi (12:54:16 AM): how was it decided that you wouldn't tell me about your plan?

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:54:15 AM): My plan?

spies4Naomi (12:54:24 AM): you know I'm cool with gordy
spies4Naomi (12:54:45 AM): your master plan you told "Three people max" about

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:55:53 AM): Oh, I had no master plan.

spies4Naomi (12:56:30 AM): ...

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:56:31 AM): Just, whenever people were saying GORDY IS A COWARD and GORDY IS A SPY.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:56:34 AM): I said No, he isn't.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:56:41 AM): I won't tell you why, but he isn't.

spies4Naomi (12:57:01 AM): that's the thing
spies4Naomi (12:57:10 AM): you tell people these things
spies4Naomi (12:57:21 AM): that you KNOW he's 100% cit

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:57:15 AM): From what I hear, good things happen if Gordy gets imprisoned.

spies4Naomi (12:57:46 AM): and theres only two things that could explain you knowing
spies4Naomi (12:57:52 AM): and both get YOU imprisoned too

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:57:48 AM): Good.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:57:51 AM): I have no role.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:58:00 AM): If I get imprisoned, that's a real role that doesn't get imprisoned.

spies4Naomi (12:58:26 AM): you don't make any sense

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:58:30 AM): I don't care if I draw the attention of the Spies.

spies4Naomi (12:58:53 AM): you're getting reckless

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:58:50 AM): I am.

spies4Naomi (12:59:01 AM): why?

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:58:57 AM): Because I'm rushed.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:59:09 AM): Shit going down in my life, and I never have enough time to think things through.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:59:14 AM): It's why I've been away so much.

spies4Naomi (12:59:36 AM): *sigh*
spies4Naomi (12:59:39 AM): you're playing like shit
spies4Naomi (12:59:43 AM): and I hate that

Spies4 Jeremiah (12:59:39 AM): I'm sorry about that.
Spies4 Jeremiah (12:59:48 AM): Honestly, I'm pissed that Lloyd got imprisoned.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:00:01 AM): By the way, Ralph told me that Gordy told him to leak me the role.

spies4Naomi (1:00:25 AM): ralph tells all

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:00:20 AM): Yeah.

spies4Naomi (1:00:31 AM): i know that

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:00:35 AM): But he says that it was an intent for the information to get out.

spies4Naomi (1:01:04 AM): not to everyone
spies4Naomi (1:01:07 AM): just you
spies4Naomi (1:01:14 AM): and now everyone knows

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:01:08 AM): Bah, whatever.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:01:16 AM): If everyone knows, it's because other people said it.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:01:20 AM): I put trust in the wrong people.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:01:23 AM): And that was my mistake.

spies4Naomi (1:01:37 AM): what if gordy got imprisoned?
spies4Naomi (1:01:40 AM): er
spies4Naomi (1:01:42 AM): exiled?
spies4Naomi (1:01:46 AM): then

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:01:40 AM): I doubt it.

spies4Naomi (1:01:56 AM): all that wouldn't amount to anything

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:01:51 AM): I've been trying to avoid him getting exiled.

spies4Naomi (1:02:43 AM): you're acting way too giddy about it

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:02:43 AM): I have.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:02:45 AM): I know.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:02:50 AM): I've been playing shitty today.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:02:58 AM): I don't know why, though.

spies4Naomi (1:03:08 AM): well it compromised a lot.
spies4Naomi (1:03:21 AM): first, we know he has a role
spies4Naomi (1:03:35 AM): that shouldn't have ever even left the three of you
spies4Naomi (1:04:11 AM): if he chose to let ralph and you know, fine
spies4Naomi (1:04:21 AM): but now a lot of people know

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:04:21 AM): Once again, I put trust in the wrong people.

spies4Naomi (1:04:46 AM): yeah
spies4Naomi (1:05:19 AM): and your being coy about it makes you look even worse

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:05:15 AM): I know.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:05:22 AM): I've only been this way to you, though.

spies4Naomi (1:05:49 AM): oh THAT'S comforting...

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:05:42 AM): I don't know what happened...

spies4Naomi (1:06:08 AM): you forgot that spies are still here.

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:06:03 AM): Yeah.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:06:20 AM): By the way, both on and off topic, Candy is my current suspicion still.

spies4Naomi (1:06:38 AM): ok

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:07:19 AM): She's been the one saying I've been telling everyone.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:07:31 AM): Ralph confirmed it.

spies4Naomi (1:07:50 AM): um...
spies4Naomi (1:07:53 AM): RALPH
spies4Naomi (1:07:56 AM): confirmed
spies4Naomi (1:07:57 AM): it

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:07:50 AM): Conversation.

spies4Naomi (1:08:12 AM): not the point. The point is its ralph

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:08:16 AM): The point is that Candy has been spreading word that I said something.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:08:21 AM): Ralph is not the point here.

spies4Naomi (1:08:36 AM): ok
spies4Naomi (1:08:41 AM): let me ask you this then
spies4Naomi (1:08:43 AM): why
spies4Naomi (1:08:46 AM): IN HELL
spies4Naomi (1:09:04 AM): WOULD YOU TELL CANDY, YOUR #1 SUSPECT THAT GORDY HAS A ROLE!?!?

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:09:18 AM): He informed me that his "mission" involved him getting imprisoned.

spies4Naomi (1:09:49 AM): that's going to get him exiled like ralph

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:09:44 AM): you.

spies4Gordy (6:30:11 PM): hmmm good plan Jer. But I may try pulling a Lloyd and call random peopel out

spies4Gordy (6:30:15 PM): go apeshit and all

spies4Gordy (6:30:22 PM): and get myself imprisoned

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:10:03 AM): Not exactly.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:10:09 AM): Ralph told role details.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:10:13 AM): (about himself)
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:10:19 AM): That were heavily suspicious.

spies4Naomi (1:10:32 AM): right

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:10:35 AM): Nothing of the sorts happened to Gordy.

spies4Naomi (1:10:51 AM): the point is
spies4Naomi (1:10:56 AM): people know
spies4Naomi (1:11:05 AM): that he needs to be imprisoned for his role

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:11:05 AM): No.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:11:07 AM): Nobody knows.

spies4Naomi (1:11:19 AM): and the general consensus is that that doesn't make any sense
spies4Naomi (1:11:22 AM): what?

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:11:14 AM): I made sure not to tell anyone that.

spies4Naomi (1:11:27 AM): ...
spies4Naomi (1:11:28 AM): wow
spies4Naomi (1:11:32 AM): you're not useless

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:11:41 AM): I figured I'd tell Candy that Gordy "may have a role"
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:11:45 AM): Spies imprison him.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:11:47 AM): Good shit goes down.

spies4Naomi (1:12:18 AM): i'm thinking
spies4Naomi (1:12:29 AM): that it's unlikely
spies4Naomi (1:12:41 AM): maybe if gordy had followed his plan
spies4Naomi (1:12:45 AM): instead of talking
spies4Naomi (1:12:52 AM): now though, it's a maybe

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:12:55 AM): His plan was kinda stupid, though.

spies4Naomi (1:13:12 AM): better than talking

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:13:14 AM): Here's the thing. If the Candy is a Major spy, Roles point to Minor spy.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:13:25 AM): If Candy is a Minor spy, Roles point to special Citizen.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:13:39 AM): Both sides would view it as a major target for imprisonment.

spies4Naomi (1:14:15 AM): what if candy isn't a spy?

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:14:16 AM): Personally, highly unlikely.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:14:31 AM): And if so, apparently she's telling everyone.

spies4Naomi (1:15:27 AM): I don't know man
spies4Naomi (1:15:40 AM): I just know roles should stick with who they belong
spies4Naomi (1:16:06 AM): and it getting out like this isn't a good thing

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:16:30 AM): Meh, technically his role doesn't come into play until he gets Imprisoned, so I thought hinting at it to Candy would increase the chances of that happening.

spies4Naomi (1:17:05 AM): actually I think you just pissed her off
spies4Naomi (1:17:14 AM): whether or not she's a spy

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:17:11 AM): I don't really care.

spies4Naomi (1:17:30 AM): great
spies4Naomi (1:17:42 AM): that's the attitude of winners...

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:17:47 AM): I'm convinced about Candy right now... so I don't care what she thinks.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:17:56 AM): She gives me a reason to care, and I will.

spies4Naomi (1:18:54 AM): ok
spies4Naomi (1:19:23 AM): I don't know if you're thinking this all through though

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:19:41 AM): I figure what's done is done.

spies4Naomi (1:20:01 AM): ok
spies4Naomi (1:20:10 AM): I have to go to bed
spies4Naomi (1:20:17 AM): goodnight jeremiah

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:20:15 AM): Night.
Spies4 Jeremiah (1:20:20 AM): Sorry about weird shit going down.

spies4Naomi (1:20:50 AM): it's fine

Spies4 Jeremiah (1:20:48 AM): I do it with good intentions.

[Masaki]

The height of our reign.

...And then the dominoes began to fall!