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Post by spies3tenchi on Sept 23, 2007 17:54:15 GMT -5
Which citizens do you want to see as Spies in this series? How about Spies as Citizens? Who do you think would have a return chance of being a Spy or Citizen again? SPY POWER!!!
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Post by spies3anneliese on Sept 23, 2007 18:02:10 GMT -5
I would definitely love to see Jess be a citizen because she was so good at imitating one. I also want to play as a citizen alongside Bebe, cause she seems like a smart cookie . I think Belle definitely deserves a shot at being a spy, but might not take it if offered to her. I would also like to see Carrie play as a spy, I think she'd do phenomenal. *All of these are from Spies 3 because it's the only season I truly followed. However I did look at the other 2 seasons and I really like Caroline or whatever from Spies 1 and would like to play as a citizen alongside her*
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Post by spies3matthew on Sept 23, 2007 18:09:16 GMT -5
I would love to see Anneliese as a spy. *giggles*. Just because if i thought she was one again, I'd be right this time =D!
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Post by spies3anneliese on Sept 23, 2007 20:12:47 GMT -5
somehow I knew you would say that! Lol... But then again, you'd have to figure out which character I was first
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Post by spies3miles on Sept 24, 2007 18:37:31 GMT -5
I think Anneliese and Arthur would make wicked spies.
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Post by spies3anneliese on Sept 24, 2007 22:27:41 GMT -5
Because we hate each other?
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Post by spies1caro on Sept 25, 2007 7:31:14 GMT -5
Where's all the Season 1 people!?
I loved the group from Spies 1 and I hope some of them show up here again. Loved watching Spies 2.. sadly missed out on Spies 3 though. But back again for 4. Can't miss watching a game that Sam hosts <3
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Post by spies2karl on Sept 25, 2007 7:38:16 GMT -5
Please, Spies 2 was clearly the best in the series so far. I'd have liked to see how Tiffany would have been as a Spy or Leo as a Citizen.
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Post by spies2tyyyyyyson on Sept 25, 2007 16:22:28 GMT -5
As someone who's been in all three Spies games so far, Spies 2 was clearly the worst so far - although I don't blame you for taking the opposite view, considering you won it, and got eliminated first in S3! The one I've enjoyed most was Spies 1, despite the fact that it's the only one I've been eliminated in before the end. Fantastic people like Sage and Soraya - best citizens ever, easily - made it worth it, besides the fact that the citizens in that game just kicked spy butt the whole way through. Spies 2 was for me "the one where it got personal". Winston's exile was stupid and senseless, as I think both of us tried to get people to recognise (very few people did). Everyone targeting Rodney and Anna was just dumb. Everyone targeting Davoni... ugh. Just ugh. Spies 3 was somewhere in the middle. I thought it was a great game technically, awbeit somewhat one-sided. I wish there'd been as many active citizens as in Spies 1 to combat the superb cast of spies that there were, and it's never fun losing that badly. That said, I still prefer it to Spies 2. And FTR, if Sam offered me another spot of spydom alongside Allison, Bebe, Claire, Tenchi and Jessica, I probably wouldn't say no... And - to any new players reading this - the worst of Sam's Spies games are still better than 90% of any other ORGs I've played. They reward active play and good strategy. If you can't tell, these games are so good, we're still debating them months after they're over.
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Post by spies3matthew on Sept 25, 2007 21:30:38 GMT -5
Yeah, these games are pretty good =P.
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Post by spies1caro on Sept 26, 2007 3:47:32 GMT -5
Months after they're over? Spies 1 was over a year ago!
That's the nature of Sam's games. He puts so much into them and the cast does too. They're completely memorable. There's a great ratio of participation, of intrigue and drama without going over that invisilbe line of 'too much' drama. You can't beat a Sam hosted game. I can promise you that. (And I've played for him 3 times!)
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Post by spies3jessica on Sept 26, 2007 18:26:20 GMT -5
I definitely agree that the spies series is the most memorable ORG I have ever played. I've played over 30 werewolf games and none of them I remember as clearly as spies 3. I don't think I'll ever forget the feeling I had when I was trying to get Jenn to post the bunker word without telling Anneliese that I told her it. I was shaking so much I could barely type. Oh, and how can I forget doing the nonagon (or whetever) challenge on the back of a pizza box. So many great memories.... I'll shut up now....
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Post by spies3tenchi on Sept 27, 2007 9:48:45 GMT -5
LOL And of course the evil "Hell Race" we all went through. The Spies experience was phenomenal because of the unique dynamics it presents to the players and the variety of dimensions available to create your own strategy: be timid or noisy? be aggressive or passive? be sane or crazy? be truthful or secretive? I would like to see Carrie or Anneliese as a spy. And if I am to play as a Citizen, I wouldn't mind playing alongside Derek or Adrianna. And of course, new players are welcome!
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Post by spies2adriana on Sept 27, 2007 18:02:10 GMT -5
I'd say I'd want to be a citizen against spy Matthew just so I could vote him the fuck out.
Anneliese as a Spy would be deadly. I think I'd like to see Paul (spies2Karl, spies3Jakub) as a citizen one more time just to see what he'd do with his Spies 2 experiences. Dawn would be a fantastic citizen, if she lasted ... not sure how she'd be as a Spy.
After seeing Karl (spies1Mercedes, spies2Antonio) turn into a kickass citizen after his Spy flubs, I think I'd like to see Ross (spies3Tenchi) and Matt (spies2Leo) as citizens just to see what insights they'd bring to the table.
And as always, I'd love to be a citizen with spies1Gurinder/spies2Jenna/spies3Judith <3 We make a great team.
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Post by spies3matthew on Sept 27, 2007 18:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by spies3raphael on Sept 27, 2007 18:59:29 GMT -5
I wish I had time to play this new season and bring out a new personality because I was WAY to "anti-social" in spies3 but it still helped me/the spies get the win! It will be interesting to watch this new season unfold once it begins. I know I am looking forward to it!
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Post by spies2karl on Sept 28, 2007 3:16:02 GMT -5
Gerta/Tyson/Reicheru/Yves/David/Whoever-you-are, I'm sure my placings in S2 and S3 may bias my opinion somewhat, but I still disagree with just about everything you said. Hindsight being 20/20, ok, maybe there were some dumb decisions. But I still hold that the decisions to (attempt to) exile Winston, Rodney, Anna, and Davoni were all helpful, rational, or simply necessary given the circumstances. But knowing you I could write a bloody thesis paper on why that was the case, and you still would have nothing to do with it, so I'm simply going to leave well enough alone and agree to disagree. Tenchi/Ross, "Hell Race"? Dramatic much? LOL And this from the guy who came in 5th. It wasn't that hard! Monica/Adriana/Bebe/DC/Whoever-you-are, LMAO @ the Matthew comment. And although I agree the Karl made an amazingly perceptive Citizen (minus his decision to tell everyone who he was), I think it's a bit of a disservice to Ross to compare the two. Although I do agree, it would be interesting to see Ross as a Citizen. And although I would love to play along side Jenna again, Judith can go choke on her cookies for all I care! lol
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Post by spies3tenchi on Sept 28, 2007 4:25:57 GMT -5
Tenchi/Ross, "Hell Race"? Dramatic much? LOL And this from the guy who came in 5th. It wasn't that hard! It was!!! I mean, two puzzles almost got me to quit, the color one and the "where Elian lives" thing. And hell, I just googled all the possible combinations from that evil puzzle until I got it. I'm still wondering how Bebe finished it in 30 minutes. Oh yeah, if I'm a cit, I would also LOVE to work with Jack. But of course, I'd always take the chance to play this game as a Spy.
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Post by Replying to Karl Paul on Sept 28, 2007 11:14:41 GMT -5
Gerta/Tyson/Reicheru/Yves/David/Whoever-you-are, I'm sure my placings in S2 and S3 may bias my opinion somewhat, but I still disagree with just about everything you said. Hindsight being 20/20, ok, maybe there were some dumb decisions. But I still hold that the decisions to (attempt to) exile Winston, Rodney, Anna, and Davoni were all helpful, rational, or simply necessary given the circumstances. But knowing you I could write a bloody thesis paper on why that was the case, and you still would have nothing to do with it, so I'm simply going to leave well enough alone and agree to disagree. Damn straight. Although I thought you of all people would at least agree with Winston! I'm not going to say who I think would be a good spy, as I said Adriana and Claire last time, Sam made them spies, and they ended up whupping my ass. But I'd definitely like to see what Tenchi, Jessica, Julian, Gigi and maybe Leo and Raphael could do as citizens.
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Post by spies3anneliese on Sept 28, 2007 12:08:12 GMT -5
Since Jack is like my favorite citizen ever, even though he tried to throw me under the bus, I really hope he comes back this season. It would be so interesting to see him as a spy, just to see how he would handle it.
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Post by Rei that was on Sept 28, 2007 15:36:01 GMT -5
Jack's fatal flaw was indecisiveness. He was offhand when we needed to be stuck into the game, deadly serious when there was time for lighter character moments, and kept changing his mind at critical junctures. Still one helluva citizen though.
Still, can you have an indecisive spy? I'm doubtful... My worst mistakes as a spy were all made on the spur of the moment when I wasn't sure where I was positioned (in terms of others' suspicions, gameplan etc). When I had a plan and stuck to it, it always seemed to work out well. That takes planning in advance, sometimes two or even three episodes ahead (as Tenchi and Jessica as well as myself demonstrated very well). Somehow I can't see Jack doing it. I could be wrong...
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Post by spies3anneliese on Sept 28, 2007 15:45:58 GMT -5
I don't think it's impossible to have an indecisive yet successful spy. That's why the spies work as a team most of the time... Although with this theme "The Schism", who knows how that could work... Maybe they will be split into small groups or something.
Still, I think it's okay to be indecisive because most people that play the game aren't really that fully conclusive all the time... Something tells me that if Jack knew he wasn't hunting for spies, it wouldn't be hard for him at all to make decisions. His problem was he had you and I screaming at him about what to believe, while at the same time he wanted to trust Tenchi for a while, but then he knew that his "closest friend" could be a spy and he probably just had to analyze a lot of the stuff...
I think it's better that Jack was less vocal with his pondering than people like you and I. It's probably what made him so good in the first place.
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Post by 1gindi2jenna3judith on Sept 28, 2007 18:54:24 GMT -5
Yves, not to burst your praise bubble, but Sage/Soraya were not that good... Soraya wanted me/Monica to take out citizens just to make the game last longer (LOL) ... not to sound arrogant because that isn't how I am, Monica dominated Spies1 head to toe with me as her 2nd person in command. Soraya was probably 3rd, but there is a clear gap.
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Post by Rei not of this world on Sept 29, 2007 4:48:57 GMT -5
MONICA dominated?!! Are you kidding?!!!!!
Monica did little enough in the first three rounds for me to strongly suspect her as a spy. (See also: DJ. Yep, great guy, but HUGE suspect in my eyes. Apart from entering the anti-Gigi chatroom AFTER EVERYTHING HAD ALREADY BEEN DECIDED and being presented with pretty much a fait-accompli, I don't know what he's supposed to have done.)
What I didn't know about Monica then was that she actively campaigned against Gigi. That said, if she was really serious, she missed out on a few obvious allies, including me! She was in an alliance to Soraya and Marion who I'd been dealing with for most of that round, she MUST have known how much I wanted Gigi and Julian out. She also must have known that - not knowing she was a counteragent - I had strong suspicions of her. And quite honestly, the Soraya - Caroline - Marion - Gerta - and (late on) Gindi alliance would have got Gigi out whatever Monica did.
I mean, Soraya and I started campaigning against Gigi literally half an hour after Sage was exiled. And Monica's supposed to have prompted this? How, exactly?
Julian's exile... come off it. Is there anybody in the entire game who WOULDN'T have voted for Julian at that point? No campaigning needed there. Hell, I pretty much told Soraya, Marion and Caroline that either he or Monica was a spy right before I was imprisoned, and they knew about Monica. Also he narrowly escaped being taken out the round before.
In the last round, Monica's confessionals suggest she SUSPECTED Soraya - which is IMO insane, but Monica's always seen threats in other aggressive citizens. (See also: Sage, Nicole, Davoni.) Soraya nailed Mercedes without her or anyone else's help, and then pretty much got together an anti-Mercedes alliance from scratch. My point is, even though I wasn't there, the confessionals make it pretty clear who was responsible for that - and it sure as hell wasn't Monica.
I don't want to belittle Monica's role here, especially in regards to Gigi's exile. I think she was a superb choice for counteragent and a bloody good citizen. Also, although I didn't know it then, she was a very helpful ally to what was essentially Soraya's and my own campaign. But she'd suspected Gigi from the start and not done much about it until round three (rather like I'd suspected Julian and not done much there either). So sorry, but I'm not buying her in the role of mastermind behind the scenes. Julian was doomed anyway, and she suspected Soraya more than Mercedes in the final round.
As for Sage - he didn't trust Gigi and had both Mercedes and Julian nailed. He didn't fall in with the absurd Frank suspicions and he was confident I was a citizen. Apart from Soraya he was the biggest campaigner, even though it killed him in the end. If Soraya wasn't around he'd definitely get my vote for best player of Spies 1, just as Judith would be my vote for best player of Spies 3.
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Post by And furthermore on Sept 29, 2007 7:26:45 GMT -5
... And before anyone points out the extremely obvious, this is ADRIANA we're talking about. If Adriana wanted to get Gigi out before Soraya and I did (eg in Round 2), she sure as hell wouldn't have had any problems doing it!
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Post by gindi on Sept 29, 2007 16:48:22 GMT -5
Soraya was not that good at all. Mercedes was my idea; I convinced Monica to target her, who helped me campaign. Soraya had nothing to do with Merecedes going. She thought JOSH was the last spy, but we told her Josh was voting for her so she had no choice but to vote for Mercedes if she wanted to stay. Julian, like you said, was fairly collective. With Gigi we all knew she was a spy too. We knew Julian/Gigi were spies. Soraya may have suspected her earlier but that does not make her the best citizen. I've even spoken to Soraya ABOUT this stuff, and she agrees that Monica played the best, then me, then her. Sorry Reicheru, but you is wrong . I'm not arguing anymore =].
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Post by spies1monica on Sept 29, 2007 18:45:46 GMT -5
David/Yves, I've always said that every time we talk about Spies 1, it's like we're talking about entirely different games. I just see things so differently from you. In my point of view, Soraya, Gindi, and I totally dominated Spies 1. Emma, Marion, and DJ were important minor players. Caroline and Gerta were dragged along for the ride.
Kisses, DC
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Post by Oooooooh on Sept 29, 2007 19:00:04 GMT -5
Not once you've had the last word, you're not. In Soraya's defence - and not going over any previous points here, since we're plainly not going to agree - I will at least insist that Soraya's "Mercedes trap", when she tempted Mercedes into imprisoning DJ instead of Monica, was the single best citizen move in any Spies game yet. That was inspired play. Are you CERTAIN Soraya admitted she wasn't the best? Frankly that doesn't sound like Soraya... nor Monica / Adriana... nor me or you, come to that! In her favour, MONICA was definitely the first "active" to suspect Gigi seriously. I think I was the first one to nail Julian, although that was pretty much unanimous by the time Gigi went! Sage and Soraya had Mercedes nailed, as far as I know, before anyone else - both of them were seriously suggesting targeting her when Sage went. Unfortunately Gigi was online at the time, and pretty much talked us out of it. I'm pretty sure of my facts, and I think it's easier to "judge" a game when you're not part of it. I read all of the confessions from everyone after I'd been imprisoned - the daft Frank suspicions, Monica suspecting Soraya, Soraya suspecting Marion, the whole kaboodle.
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Post by Oooooooh x2 on Sept 29, 2007 19:08:37 GMT -5
David/Yves, I've always said that every time we talk about Spies 1, it's like we're talking about entirely different games. I just see things so differently from you. In my point of view, Soraya, Gindi, and I totally dominated Spies 1. Emma, Marion, and DJ were important minor players. Caroline and Gerta were dragged along for the ride. Kisses, DC DC, you and I practically never talked (probably because we suspected each other too much!) I'm not going to argue with Soraya, you and Gindi dominating the game though. Gerta was NOT dragged along for the ride! Who started the whole anti-Marion thing in the first place? Who got seven or eight people (can't remember who now) into a chatroom to get rid of Marion? Who then, immediately after Sage was exiled, got Caroline, Gindi, Soraya and Gigi into a chatroom - and then, thirty minutes later, got Caroline, Soraya, Marion and Gindi into ANOTHER chatroom to propose that we get rid of Gigi? I was the queen of chatrooms! Check your convos if you please, before ever saying I was "along for the ride"!
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Post by spies3anneliese on Sept 29, 2007 19:16:30 GMT -5
*Laughs that "Creating chatrooms" is apparently an indicator of productivity* Okay I'm done now, promise
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