Yeah, yeah, Judith being taken out was a tragedy. Sorry, cookies for everyone, etc, etc.
I tell you what though, the plan for that exile (which was prepared before Spies 3 even started BTW) was FREAKING AWESOME. If you'd have been a spy, it would have revealed three or four at least in one fell swoop (that was the whole idea of having Carrie pitted against Judy!) It was a superb plan... such a shame it was wasted on a citizen!
Long post coming up now. First of all, apologies to everyone for going into Spies 1 stuff AGAIN. If you're not Gindi or Monica, skip to the next post.
First... regarding Julian, so many people suspected Julian early on, I don't think anyone can say definitely they were the first to suspect him. The first person I told of my suspicions was Soraya, followed by Sage, and they were both suspicious of him themselves. (Come to think of it, why the hell didn't we target him instead of Damien or Marion... Damien was far too irritating to be a spy, and I'd come up with Marion literally twenty minutes before exile when I was trying my damndest to keep Sage from being taken out! I'm sure the support would've been there.)
Obviously you have to campaign, and I did. Unless getting a lot of people into a chatroom and telling them that X is a spy and should be voted out next doesn't count as "campaigning"...
I don't suspect everyone. In Spies 3 I was strongly against targeting Miles, for example, but Jack wouldn't go for Bebe and Arthur was the only other person online I was fairly confident was a citizen, and he wanted Miles, so Miles it was. What can I say, I was befuddled.
That said, after the first week or so I NEVER seriously suspected (in Spies 3): Arthur, Matthew, Jennipher (I put a target on her back in the first couple of days and spent the next two weeks trying to remove it), Jack or Anneliese. There's five people I got right from very early on.
In Spies 1 however, I was probably one of the most perceptive, just going by confessionals. By the time Dawn was imprisoned, my only suspects were Emma (who I cleared when she targeted Gigi), Monica and DJ (counteragent and investigated player), Julian and Mercedes. When Gigi was exiled, I was fairly certain the spies were:
- Gigi (very little doubt about this one because of Sage's exile),
- Julian (strong preference) or Monica, and
- DJ (strong preference), Mercedes or Caroline (who I'd previously cleared but was having doubts about).
I should have suspected Mercedes more - Sage and Soraya practically told me she was a spy, and I didn't believe them - but she was the only person in the entire game I never had a single conversation with. I seriously thought she'd idle out.
From about the first exile, I NEVER seriously suspected Sage, Frank, Soraya or you. Early on I also believed Caroline was safe, although I had second thoughts later. That's six safes including myself before the first EXILE. I never had anything like that amount of certainty in Spies 3 right through the game, the spies were too good. For most of the game when I was in it, I actually had more "safes" on my list than either of the two counteragents - check the confessionals - and I was never wrong. Wrong about SPIES, yes, but not about safe people. Everyone I marked as a citizen
was a citizen.
As regards the rest, here are some convos with you:
This is from just after Sage was exiled:
(22:27:59) Gerta: Gigi and DJ are "almost definites",
(22:28:07) Gerta: and now that the spies have taken out dawn,
(22:28:15) Gerta: that leaves Julian and Monica herself for the role of third spy.
(22:28:30) Gerta: assuming that the spies have been deliberately not agreeing with each other in votes
(22:28:35) Gerta: there's no other person it could be.
(22:29:04) spies1Gurinder: I've recently been having huge suspicion about Julian
(22:29:08) Gerta: i don't THINK it's monica but i don't know.
(22:29:12) Gerta: yes, i'd say julian.
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(01:57:53) Gerta: it may be enough that frank and marion both suspect me.
(01:57:58) spies1Gurinder: cuz ur a good target for exile - and since your most likely not a spy - its ideal for the spies
(01:58:01) Gerta: (assuming neither is spy)
(01:58:07) spies1Gurinder: frank suspects you?
(01:58:10) spies1Gurinder: he has a brain?? lol
(01:58:13) spies1Gurinder: i figured he was a sheep
(01:58:14) Gerta: sage said he did
(01:58:45) Gerta: and i trusted sage from the first exile even though we never had a coalition or anything
And here's a MAJOR convo with Soraya:
(00:26:24) Gerta: i only told caroline, you, sage, people i didn't suspect.
(00:26:25) spies1Soraya: thats true
(00:26:40) Gerta: which means that Gigi apparently was covering for him while we were discussing him.
(00:26:51) spies1Soraya: wow
(00:26:55) spies1Soraya: yes your right
(00:26:59) spies1Soraya: I mean
(00:27:08) spies1Soraya: I never would have suspected Gigi
(00:27:27) spies1Soraya: i guess the people you suspect are the citizens and the people who don't sus[ect are more likley spies
(00:27:42) Gerta: i wouldve said the same thing four days ago.
(00:28:06) Gerta: but gigi was, in her quiet way, backing marion's elimination 100%
(00:28:29) Gerta: if marion's not a spy, after all, i think the spies would have had to have planted somebody among the marion-haters.
(00:28:30) Gerta: why not her?
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(00:31:17) spies1Soraya: as for Gurinder
(00:31:23) spies1Soraya: I suspect him as well
(00:31:38) spies1Soraya: the other person on my list is Julien
(00:31:45) Gerta: agreed on him.
(00:31:54) Gerta: julian is VERY suspect.
(00:32:06) spies1Soraya: totally
(00:32:07) spies1Soraya: so quiet
(00:32:14) spies1Soraya: and mysterious
(00:32:15) Gerta: but julian, dj and gigi were all going bald-headed after Ginji before the last exile.
(00:32:21) Gerta: i mean, they really wanted him out.
(00:32:30) Gerta: if any of those is a spy, ginji isn't. Period.
DJ-suspicions aside, I wasn't that far off.
Long post over, enjoy the rest of this thread!
