Who is the final Spy?

[Judge Sam]

Who is the final Spy?

[Martha]

Oh fucking hell... subtract one vote for Damon and add it to Zander...! HATE these tiny radio buttons, and (unlike text) resizing them doesn't always help.

[Judge Sam]

I'm confused on the sudden mass suspicion on Zander. Where did it come from? A little bandwagoning? I know people have said him before a little, but...


Zander has not gotten a single vote at Exile this entire game. In fact he's the only left not to be voted for.

[Martha]

Yep, he's been trusted all the way through, nobody's seriously suspected him as a spy, and he was absolute bottom of Kip's suspicion list. AND HE'S STILL HERE. He's never been imprisoned. The spies chose ADELAIDE and BUNNI over him. Now while I think Adelaide and (especially) Bunni made some very good points in the Burg, neither of them looked like they were able to rally a group of citizens to vote out a spy. Zander obviously has that potential. So how the heck did it happen that he was left alone while they were taken out?

Add to that a near-perfect voting record in favour of the Orthos, claims of being forward about his suspicions but nothing really to back it up in the burg, no contribution to Adelaide's or Faizah's exiles that I could see, some seriously dubious interrogation techniques when he was questioning me just before my exile (it looked like he was trying to get me to trip up so that he could use the information against me, under the guise of getting more information himself) and you have one seriously shady character. If you accept Hannah as a citizen (well, d'uh!) then there's really more evidence against Zander than anybody else, although Leon also looks seriously bad.


BTW, I'm second-guessing myself over one other person - Summer. I can't help remembering that Naomi and Beverly voted each other very early on. What if Summer and Faizah were trying the same trick? Summer has a near-perfect citizen persona. (Contrast it with Angelica's, for example, when she was obviously running from person to person trying to get them to trust her, and I doubt anybody seriously did. Except Hannah. (And while we're on the subject - Hannah, what the FUCK? If ever there was an obvious spy, it was Angelica! Even Bev had her pegged!)

Also, Angelica only put two people remaining in the game on her "trusted" list (and Angelica being basically a very predictable spy, I'd expect her to put one of her colleagues, but only one, on it.) Hannah's just gone. That leaves only Summer.

So - from the person who's said Summer is one of the best citizen minds in the burg since episode three, comes the question: could Summer be the last Ortho? If she is, I think she deserves this win possibly more than any other single spy (although for a team of Spies, I doubt anybody will come close to S3!)

[Martha]

admin said:

Zander has not gotten a single vote at Exile this entire game. In fact he's the only left not to be voted for.

Also I have a vague recollection of another spy in Spies 2 not picking up any real suspicion for eight exiles, and not receiving a single vote against him for nine... some spies really are that good.

The only thing is, I think the final two citizens, whoever they are, will have to ask themselves how he survived so long (assuming he's the spy and makes the final three). And however you look at it, Zander comes out looking seriously suspicious. If he's the spy I would anticipate an endgame of something like this: Kip/Candy imprisoned, Leon exiled, Candy/Kip imprisoned (the other one obviously), leaving (as Singe said) Damon and Summer for the final three. Assuming they're both cits, both of them have shown themselves to be fairly perceptive. I just can't see Zander fooling them... but he's pulled off a few miracles so far so good luck to him.

[Singe]

I have suspected Zander somewhat all game, but Candy really did a great sell job on Zander = Cit. In my last post in my confessional I posted 5% chance of Zander being a Spy. But that's not correct at all... for the first half of the game he did jack shit, then he caught Masaki which is not the least bit incompatible with being an Ortho. He's been manipulative and occasionally lurked. VERY similar play to Summer, but she worked harder to nail Faizah so I think she's in the clear. Zander's managed his image, almost obsessively. Spy tactic.

It's Zander, Leon or Damon, in that order.

[Ralph]

i suspected zander!!!!!1

[Gordy]

OMG Ralphypoo!

[Candy]

I'm tempted to vote for me.

[Summer]

LOL Zander pwnt.

[Zander]

I disagree with a lot of things posted in here

Specifically Singe saying I occasionally lurked. I was always very active but of course I couldn't post openly about everything I wanted to do! Look what happened to Beverly and Naomi

I knew the whole time that (as Martha said) people would eventually be suspicious of me not being imprisoned. So that's when I realized it was time to lay back a little and try to feign slight inactivity. Specifically towards Faizah's exile and Hannah's. It came back to bite me in the butt when there were TWO exiles I wasn't vocal at... Needless to say I'm not happy that the other 4 in the Final 5 from what I caught, weren't vocal at many exiles and "evidence" against me was that I backed off from a couple

But still these are all great reads... Eventually there was only so much I could do to back away from some of the suspicious stuff, but the LL definitely caught onto what I was trying to do.

[Singe]

You were at your best when you were trying hand and angsty about who the Spies were. You're a passionate person, and whenever you let off on the pedal, you looked a little fishy.

When I say you did "jack shit" I was way exaggerating. You were around a lot and contributed a lot of your thoughts and feelings, but I definitely felt like based on your capabilities you were underperforming. Holding back, kinda like Summer.