Mercedes Moments

[Judge Sam]

A Mercedes Moment is basically shooting yourself in the foot. In Spies 1, Mercedes, the last Spy, attempted to send an anonymous message to someone claiming to be a "Spy friend" revealing herself.


Are there any in this game? Martha, don't say anything you did.


I would say that Angelica admitting she was a Spy was a Mercedes Moment. It baffles me why anyone would do that... just completely give up. Even if no one believes you as a Spy you still maintain your innocence.

[Lloyd]

Unless they thought that getting there Naomi view out their was more important than taking the rare chance that she could get away from an investigation. Pretty much the only way to get away from an investigation is to kill the source before it yaps or having your beast of an ally win the investigation (<3 Bebe).

In Angelicas case, it was too late to escape barring some miracle. I would much rather give the citz the info to do your dirty work for you than to take the chance that you can pull off the nearly impossible.

[Martha]

lloyd said:

Unless they thought that getting there Naomi view out their was more important than taking the rare chance that she could get away from an investigation. Pretty much the only way to get away from an investigation is to kill the source before it yaps or having your beast of an ally win the investigation (<3 Bebe).

In Angelicas case, it was too late to escape barring some miracle. I would much rather give the citz the info to do your dirty work for you than to take the chance that you can pull off the nearly impossible.

Angelica pegged that the biggest threat to her group of spies was the traditionalists. So she effectively organized for one to be exiled. I don't know why everyone believed her (once again, I suspect a spy was exiled because of stuff that happened over AIM, not in the burg, since there's a LOT that we don't know there methinks) but she can't have been disappointed in the results. One traditionalist left!

[Martha]

admin said:

A Mercedes Moment is basically shooting yourself in the foot. In Spies 1, Mercedes, the last Spy, attempted to send an anonymous message to someone claiming to be a "Spy friend" revealing herself.


Are there any in this game? Martha, don't say anything you did.


I would say that Angelica admitting she was a Spy was a Mercedes Moment. It baffles me why anyone would do that... just completely give up. Even if no one believes you as a Spy you still maintain your innocence.

Partly agree on Angelica, but I think she was busted whatever happened. Her best chance at that point was to give her fellow spies the best possible situation after her exile, which she seems to have done very well if the exile situation is anything to go by! I think Angelica's worst mistakes were made quite early on - most of them when I was still in the game - although I'd like to see what kind of an impact she made on AIM and not in the burg later on.

Don't say anything I did... like trusting Naomi, trusting Bev, not targeting Angelica even though I had her pegged, not sticking to my character so everyone thought I was a hypocrite...? I mean, can anybody name a single thing I did RIGHT in this game?

Despite that, I can now see why the traditionalists took me out. One wonders if Naomi has nightmares about the last time we went up against one another... the orthodoxy spies would obviously want rid of me anyway of course.

Mercedes moments... when I think of Mercedes, I think of the only person in the entire game of Spies 1 who I never actually talked to because she was never online. That sounds like Emma.

Other than that... lemme see... Bev and Angelica got their tactics completely wrong. Bev would've fooled someone like me (and did!) but obviously not someone like Candy. I also think it was inevitable that Bev would be investigated eventually. Angelica was VERY obvious in many respects. In particular she appeared to lie to Bev for very little reason except to gain her confidence, and she (like Emma) joined the bandwagon against me when she really had no reason to. That put me on her scent.

I also think that Angelica and her group should have opposed my exile. I'd told too many people about my suspicions of Angelica, including Gordy (who I'd told to "investigate" her, and who eventually did, although not quite as I foresaw!) If Angelica had supported me, it would have thrown me right off the scent, and I was vocal enough about my opinions to lead others off it as well. Instead she might have confirmed a few fermenting suspicions when she helped to take me out. You HAVE to think long-term in this game. Taking out one person who's suspicious of you might benefit you in the short term, but it can only harm you later on if people remember it.

Naomi was a long-term thinker who got unlucky when Angelica accused her. I think she could easily have won if it wasn't for that. Her Beverly vote in the very first round was genius and put me right off her scent. I honestly believed Naomi would come up "citizen" at the exile last night.

[Sherri]

I'm with Lloyd and Martha on Angelica. I still think she did a good last ditch effort on increasing suspicion on Naomi which actually saved her team an Imprisonment.

It was not really a bad choice (revealing herself, revealing she had a role, and revealing a spy), so I guess it doesn't really qualify as a Mercedes moment, although she could have done better.

[Martha]

For the record, I still don't believe that Angelica's "role" WAS Angelica's role. I think it's one of the other two Orthodox spies, and Angelica was given an extra vote to use at exile instead. She didn't use it at her own exile because it was obvious she was gone and she didn't want to give too much away.

[Judge Sam]

I like your input, that makes sense.

But there are 16 people and only 3 Spies, along with some amazing Citizens, Citizen roles, and 29 days of evidence / information on the 3 remaining Spies, who aren't even competing as one group so there's another huge disadvantage.

Personally I feel Angelica revealing Naomi was a major shot in the foot and basically cut the chances of ANY Spy group winning majorly, possibly completely.

[Gordy]

I know, if Angie turned up to be a citizen I could have framed Candy or Abrams so easily. But that was IF Angie's inv came up as cit. I was so ready to frame Abrams it wasn't funny and watch him spazz out.

[Jeremiah]

Naomi and Angelica are opposing spies, though, and Angelica figured the best way she could help her Orthodoxy teammates was to give them a free day-pass (by throwing Naomi under the truck).

Lloyd is right, she did the only remaining thing that she could do- Wound the opposing Spy team.

[Lloyd]

That's the reason why dueling factions are very balanced for the good team to win. In order for it to be balanced it would have to be like 4 vs 5 vs 19. But then if the spies work together, its a huge blow-out. That's why dueling factions games are really one sided. It all comes down to if the spies wanna find eachother and work together until they collectively outnumber the citz, or do they wanna kill eachother ASAP.

[Jeremiah]

Yeah.

The Spies can't work together under normal means, because the larger team will win almost 100% of the time, then. However, unless they work together, the Cits have the advantage of numbers WAY more, and the spies are pretty much sunk.

In other news, get on AIM, Lloyd. I wanna chat with you.

[Martha]

admin said:

I like your input, that makes sense.

But there are 16 people and only 3 Spies, along with some amazing Citizens, Citizen roles, and 29 days of evidence / information on the 3 remaining Spies, who aren't even competing as one group so there's another huge disadvantage.

Personally I feel Angelica revealing Naomi was a major shot in the foot and basically cut the chances of ANY Spy group winning majorly, possibly completely.

I actually feel really, really sorry for the one remaining traditionalist. I'm not even going to try and guess who it might be (let's face it, I'm one for one with the orthodoxy, zero for three with the traditionalists, so my record isn't exactly great there!) but he or she has gotta be crapping themselves right now.

On the other hand, if Hannah really is an Orthodox spy (which seems likely), and Candy isn't (which also seems quite likely), Gordy's given the Orthos one hell of an advantage to work with. If Candy is exiled and a citizen, and she tells anybody about Hannah, she (Hannah) practically has a free pass to the win.

[Candy]

OK the Mercedes moment was Naomi voting Damon so Beverly had 1 less vote. Everyone knew she was a Traditionalist protecting Beverly. SPY SPY SPY SPY SPY IT WAS SO OBVIOUS.

[Martha]

Erm... why though? This made so little sense that I actually thought Naomi for some reason wasn't ALLOWED to vote for a fellow spy (then I realised that Bev had voted for her that same round!) Beverly had been investigated by an obvious citizen, whereas Angelica's word couldn't be trusted. If they were going to sacrifice anybody, Bev would be it.

[Candy]

OK so on the one hand you have Angelica going "Naomi's a spy" and Naomi's going "Oh shit"

Then on the other hand you have Candy going "Bev's a spy" and Bev's going "Nuh uh fake role I'm a victim"

Exile Naomi. Cut your losses. Bev stands a chance for survival and Naomi doesn't.

So Mistaki and Bev voted Naomi and Naomi threw away her vote.

And that was the only way it could have made sense.

Hannah back me up here. Martha go read the burg. Everyone saw it coming.

[Hannah]

Yeah and Naomi was all like "i just wanted to make sure u all knew i suspected damon before i was exiled" and its like, if we dont know that by now after the 700 posts u made about ur suspicions of him, well then hell we must be Abrams.

[Johan]

hannah said:

Yeah and Naomi was all like "i just wanted to make sure u all knew i suspected damon before i was exiled" and its like, if we dont know that by now after the 700 posts u made about ur suspicions of him, well then hell we must be Abrams.

You have garnered my utmost respect for the Abrams comment

[Adelaide]

In Adelaide's planet Angelica was lieing and just trying to throw Naomi under the bus! But I guess since Sam sort of confirmed she was investigated it makes my planet less credible

And Naomi voting Damon was hella stupid. As was Cain passing the tiebreaker, I still think Cain's a spy.

[Martha]

adelaide said:

In Adelaide's planet Angelica was lieing and just trying to throw Naomi under the bus! But I guess since Sam sort of confirmed she was investigated it makes my planet less credible

And Naomi voting Damon was hella stupid. As was Cain passing the tiebreaker, I still think Cain's a spy.

I never thought that seriously, although the tiebreaker thing made me have one or two doubts when Naomi was revealed. It did look as though the spies had worked more openly together than they normally would in a game like this. Plainly the strategy didn't work very well...