ACCUSATIONS poll

[Candy]

beverly said:

And I agree that the system should be changed. If you accuse, show (maybe a script from a conversation where they revealed to you) proof of it.

Candy, I had to go out of character because then I could actually appear like a helpful citizen from then on and it would have been way too difficult to campaign as Bev. She'd be too overbearing and most people would just get turned off by her arguement to keep her. Plus it was the #1 way for me to show that I was acting because of my role.

Beverly is living proof of why the accusation system needs to stay the way it is. She's so slippery and slimy that she thinks she can get away with telling people her identity to gain allies and everyone will keep their mouth shut. Players were covering for her cheating all game ("Candy, don't post this in your confessional okay?"). The accusation system now lets you reveal cheaters without feeling like a complete tattletale.



spies4Zander: As you know the night before Bev was exiled she and I had a very long talk
spies4Zander: and she tried to tell me as much info as she could, to try to prove herself to be a citizen
spies4Zander: she mentioned something to me about Gordy having a role
spies4Zander: She also revealed who she actually was (like real identity) and that was something that made me trust her... It may have been false and it was sure ballsy but that alone made me want to believe that she wasn't BSing
spies4Zander: These are all things I haven't told anyone yet because revealing your ID to someone is against game rules, and I'm not sure if she was telling the truth but it was smart if she wanted to gain my trust
spies4Zander: That's honestly one of the main reasons why I believed her
spies4Candy: It is against game rules
spies4Candy: She was that desperate to stay
spies4Candy: I hate her for it
spies4Candy: You don't cheat to stay
spies4Candy: I'm getting imprisoned and she almost stayed because she cheated
spies4Candy: Do you know how mad this makes me?
spies4Zander: Candy I apologize that I even believed or listened to her, but this is something I had no control over
spies4Zander: I even said "If you say anything that breaks game rules this doesn't reflect on me because I do not want to be disqualified because of you"
spies4Candy: Who was she anyway? If she wasn't a past player though I won't know her
spies4Candy: I can look that up
spies4Candy: But I play in different game circles
spies4Zander: She was a past player, but maybe spreading this information further just makes me a breaker of the rules as well
spies4Candy: I'm out of the game anyway
spies4Candy: Does it even matter?
spies4Zander: What are you talking about?
spies4Candy: Hello
spies4Candy: I got a traditionalist spy out
spies4Candy: It's their turn to imprison
spies4Candy: Bye bye Candy tomorrow
spies4Zander: I've given up in the past too. Don't give up. The moment you give up is the moment you stop helping us learn more and giving us more of a chance to win
spies4Candy: Does it look like I'm giving up?
spies4Zander: YES
spies4Candy: Am I still posting my suspicions?
spies4Candy: Am I still talking to people about who's a spy?
spies4Zander: spies4Candy: I'm out of the game anyway
spies4Candy: Does it even matter?
spies4Candy: I meant why protect Bev's ID
spies4Candy: She's otu and I'm out next
spies4Zander: JUDITH, is what she told me
spies4Candy: Oh hence JUDYOWNAGE
spies4Zander: AKA Belle, Gurinder
spies4Zander: For ANY Spies veteran, the moment you HEAR that name you assume citizen. So I'm sorry that my vote that meant I believed Bev more seems so suspicious and odd but that's a huge reason why...

[Repentant Reicheru]

The thing is, Candy, in Spies 3 I blatantly used the accusations system AGAINST Beverly - Judith as she was then - to make up the votes against her. Basically I told Anneliese to tell as many people as necessary who Judith was so that we could be sure of getting her out. Looking back now, I still feel like I violated the ethics, if not the rules, of the game by doing that. Even if Judith had turned out to be a spy I would still feel that way. It was a shameful thing to do and the memory of it might have affected how Bev acted in this game. IMO that changes things a lot.

That said, bear in mind that if there's only Zander's word for what Bev did, he might have been lying to look more convincing as a citizen. Hell, I guarantee Tyson (my spy character) would have done it in a heartbeat.

(BTW in Spies 2 Allison did the same thing with Antonio, partly helped by me; but he had really abused the system himself, telling people he was an ex-spy in order to gain conviction as a citizen, so I think it was justified. Judith hadn't done that or revealed her alias, ever, even though she and I knew who we were from the start.)

[Zander]

Lol I so made that up so that Candy would clear me. Just like I lied about being an ex-spy (I never saw Antonio do that, hah) so that Gordy would trust me more. Turns out that in the end he kinda did, and that, not this Bev = Belle thing I invented, cleared me for a while.

Sorry Candy that I made you think Bev gave me her ID lol. I knew it once she revealed she wasn't stupid, and figured it'd be something to run with

[Zander]

Many Canadians use the optional "u" spellings, like "flavour" and "colour"... Just for the record. So there is a language difference (Another big reason why if you get rid of your time stamps it's less noticeable).

As far as roleplaying, I think at least a couple of us really feel like Roleplaying this coming season. I really wanted to this season if I wasn't a spy, but that kinda just made me feel like it would've been too much to roleplay for the first time and be a spy at the same time. Also if Zander had been named Balthier like he was supposed to be ( Sam)... I would've so RPed regardless lol.

[Beverly]

I'm not that stupid Candy. There was a 1-vote different chance that I was going to stay. Would I really risk accusations?

Idiot.

[Judge Sam]

As I see it, if there's no roleplaying then the entire game becomes pointless because what's left?

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The game is mafia, not dress-up, if you don't like playing mafia, don't play Spies. The costumes are means to an end, not the end itself.

[Judge Sam]

Also, what Candy posted is exactly the reason why I can't investigate every claim to see if someone actually did reveal themselves. When I read Candy's post up above, even now, I thought for a second maybe Beverly did do that haha. You can see how that would be a disaster if I started looking into that during the game. Mme figuring out who's lying, candy figuring out zander might be lying, or beverly might be lying, people not sure who is telling the truth, myself not sure who is telling the truth...

So much work, and time, and drama, and junk, just to make things worse than they were lol.

[Zander]

<3 Sam eternally.

Can you start hosting "Dress-Up" when you're done with the Spies series?


*dies laughing*

[Martha]

admin said:

As I see it, if there's no roleplaying then the entire game becomes pointless because what's left?

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The game is mafia, not dress-up, if you don't like playing mafia, don't play Spies. The costumes are means to an end, not the end itself.

Now it's Sam's turn to miss my point. Like I said before, from my POV the satisfying part is catching the spies. The fun part is the role-playing and character interactions. People can't use their own characters (obviously) and it would be kinda sad if none of them came up with an alternative. Wouldn't everybody just talk and act the same, except in the purest strategic sense? You have to have SOME role-playing!

Speaking personally, I don't fancy a competition, no matter how purely competitive it is, with twenty-seven robots!

Def. agree with Zander on the "dress-up" idea though. At least I'd be in with a chance of winning that one!