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Post by Cain on Oct 12, 2007 16:55:19 GMT -5
Please post all evidence about Masaki here.
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Candy
Candy
MVP! Winner of Spies 4!!!
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Post by Candy on Nov 2, 2007 0:40:47 GMT -5
SURE THING CAIN
So exile 5:
Mistaki thinks that I'm telling the truth when I say Bev is a spy. That an investigation PROVES that Bev is a spy.
But he STILL votes for Naomi.
Why the FUCK would he do that?
spies4Masaki: Because I think Naomi is a Spy just as strongly as I think Bev is
ORTHODOXY SPY WITH INFO ON NAOMI LIKE ANGELICA SAID, MAYBE?
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Post by Masaki on Nov 2, 2007 0:48:40 GMT -5
You're twisting my words, Candy.
I said I believed you got a guilty result. Beverly's role claim does _____NOT_____ contradict that at all. Her claim states that she WOULD have come up guilty.
My point was that the very fact that Beverly even posted a roleclaim was proof enough that you were not lying.
What I do not understand is how you still do not understand this.
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Candy
Candy
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Post by Candy on Nov 2, 2007 1:23:36 GMT -5
That's not what I commented on.
You voted for Naomi because you were as sure she was a spy as you were sure about Beverly.
An investigation confirmed Beverly.
Did Angelica's investigation confirm Naomi for you? Hmmmm?
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Nov 2, 2007 6:21:36 GMT -5
Not taking sides here BUT Angelica's role could be BS because:
-She said it took place in 4 rounds. -Masaki/Naomi said that woasn't possible cos of the twist. -She said it took 2 rounds and that Naomi is a spy. -Then she tells me on AIM that it took place in 4 rounds after all that!
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Post by Masaki on Nov 2, 2007 9:19:40 GMT -5
An investigation confirmed Beverly. Beverly claimed a role that made it possible that, while you were telling the truth, she could have been a Citizen. No, that wasn't the case, but it is inherently different than Angelica who laid down and died.
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Leon
Leon
Coincidence Catcher
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Post by Leon on Nov 2, 2007 16:02:48 GMT -5
I side with Masaki here.
Beverly and Naomi were possibly, almost positivily spies. But should Bev be telling the truth, we would've been wrong. Since Naomi was a sure bet too, there was no truth or lie to decipher. And could just go with her to make sure we're right.
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Candy
Candy
MVP! Winner of Spies 4!!!
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Post by Candy on Nov 2, 2007 16:53:37 GMT -5
A sure bet is an investigated spy. And Angelica implied that her group investigated Naomi. I voted with the investigation I was sure of and I think Mistaki did too.
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Post by Masaki on Nov 2, 2007 17:26:31 GMT -5
A sure bet is an investigated spy. And Angelica implied that her group investigated Naomi. I voted with the investigation I was sure of and I think Mistaki did too. Like I said, I wanted more time because you revealed your result so close to the exile. I had made my intentions clear to numerous people before hand that I would vote Naomi. I told you I would vote Beverly next episode. I'm truly sorry you find it necessary to cuss me out over AIM as a result of my unwillingness to appease you at the last minute.
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Post by Judge Sam on Nov 3, 2007 17:07:28 GMT -5
Wow. What can I say about Masaki? His quietness makes him a target, I believe. I don't know how many times I've tried talking to him and gotten little or no response. His character seems forced and he tries to shrug up really talking to people, at least in any serious manner. This worries me about him. He needs to start acting in a more believable, helpful, and pleasant manner if he's a citizen who wants to stick around.
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Post by Judge Sam on Nov 4, 2007 17:04:05 GMT -5
Who are you? Everyone in the Burg seems to think that you're difficult to talk to, yet you're not at all inactive or a lurker. Could it be that you're difficult to talk to because you're a spy and don't want to say anything suspicious, or are you a citizen afraid of giving important information to spies? You need to be more open and willing to talk.
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Post by Judge Sam on Nov 4, 2007 17:10:57 GMT -5
k-k-k-k-komment for you m-m-m-m-masakisan. u always be up in da burg asking dem kwestions n doin that smart stuff in the hizzie. i know it i seen it n i dig it! u so fly. holla! but u gots ta work on the moves bro cuz u trippin. u trippin over the fatemaka! i be da fatemaka cuz i make the fates, i have the moves and my moves are good bro. if u be a spy u know i be da schism maka too. u know it! so good. so smooth. flava flav. so bro tween u n me u be a spy cuz u keep askin da k-k-k-k-k-kwestions n stuff n dey always be da right kwestions bout me n my fate makin n schism makin 2 n the otha stuff i be makin now in da game.
u out for info. i dig it. u want me out n i want u out. we cool. so bro i gonna give advice 2 help u be as fly as urz truly. back offa the fatemaka n we be chill. peace.
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Post by Judge Sam on Nov 4, 2007 17:25:48 GMT -5
Most of your critiques are going to focus on your personality, and rightfully so. You are sullen, withdrawn, secretive, immature, uncaring, and severly lacking a sense of humor. All these are enormous turn-offs and it makes IMing you an unpleasant chore.
My critique, however, will focus on your gameplay instead. Your game style involves a lot of sitting on the fence. With the exception of the obvious Angelica exile, you have voted in the minority every single time. In some of these cases, you voted for someone who obviously was not going to be exiled. And each of your votes is designed to appease two or more groups of people and not offend any of them. (I could refer to your Beverly vote in round 1 to appease anti-Beverly people and the people who insisted an active person be exiled. Or I could refer to your vote for Jeremiah in round 3 where you went back and forth all day to make the Jeremiah voters think you legitimately considered their stance while voting Candy to appease Gordy). Fact of the matter is, you never push for a vote because you're actively avoiding retaliation votes. You aren't looking for spies. You're looking to quietly get through every exile.
You're very likely a spy, Masaki. To survive, you'll need to pretend to care about people and start pretending to play proactively. If, on the off chance that you're a citizen, you're going to need to catch a spy soon on a theory that you put together yourself.
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Post by Judge Sam on Nov 7, 2007 5:19:16 GMT -5
Be more out there, man. You're highly logical and seem to spot patterns in behavior that other people miss. My main suspicions of you come from the fact that I think as a Cit you'd likely be making more of an overt effort to nail bad guys.
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Faizah
Faizah
Accusation Catcher
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Post by Faizah on Nov 14, 2007 20:36:19 GMT -5
spies4Masaki: Question spies4Masaki signed off at 11:08:12 AM. spies4Masaki signed on at 11:33:52 AM. spies4Faizah: hey spies4Faizah: sorry, I was away without a message spies4Faizah: Im about to leave for work spies4Faizah: whats up spies4Masaki: Well if you're about to leave, this doesn't have to be asked now spies4Faizah: ok, I will be back tonight spies4Masaki: alright spies4Masaki signed off at 12:19:54 PM. spies4Masaki signed on at 3:19:12 PM. spies4Masaki signed off at 5:02:29 PM. spies4Masaki signed on at 7:06:45 PM. spies4Faizah: Are you ready for your interview? spies4Masaki: Sure spies4Faizah: So Masaki, I think alot of people are torn on your identity. Could you give a brief description of why you ARENT a spy? Be sure to include the Bev vote reasonings if possible. spies4Masaki: Reasons I am not a spy : I think it's more the absense of legitimate reasons why I _am_ a Spy. You mentioned right there the most incriminating piece of "evidence" people have against me - my vote for Naomi over Beverly in that one exile. Well, people seem to think that I was trying to protect Beverly, yet that makes no sense as I had been pushing Naomi even before that investigation was used. I did not want the wagon to die down in the next episode simply because Beverly came up so suddenly, leaving no time for my own look into things. I didn't particularly believe Beverly, but I didn't disbelieve her either - I didn't have the time to make my own decision because I never got to talk to her myself until right before the exile. spies4Masaki: <continues> spies4Masaki: On the other hand, I've done plenty to help the Burg as opposed to many of the other players in this game. While players like Abrams & Leon are able to sit back and watch others fight, hopping on whatever bandwagon they please, those of us who do things that go unnoticed are taking the hits. So what have I done that is for the good of the Burg? A few things that come to mind : I gave Singe an idea on how to keep the investigation from episode 3 a secret should he find a Citizen(http://spies4.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=theburg88ajv&action=display&thread=1193004303), I exposed Angelica's lie(http://spies4.proboards52.com/index.cgi?board=theburg88ajv&action=display&thread=1193189912), I've gone after Spies relentlessly, and I've been actively contributing to the game. I can't even count the number of people who have not done a fraction of those things on both my hands. spies4Masaki: <done> spies4Faizah: Do you think that players like Abrams should be exiled, or another person with little to no evidence, givne the choice, who would you choose and why? spies4Masaki: I think we are at the point where his contribution level is unacceptable. Should he be exiled? I'm afraid he would have to be in the event that he does not shape up. I think Singe did a wonderful job getting Damon to realize that he was slipping a little too far, and I'd be more than happy to listen ot Abrams if he were to decide to participate himself, yet I would not throw away the suspicion over why he has layed so low for this long. What we cannot do is leave whatever Citizens remain in the game later on with their only options as people with no background in the game. spies4Masaki: <done> spies4Faizah: In your opinion (giving names is optional) do you feel you know anyone 100% to be citizen OR spy? Why? spies4Masaki: 100% Citizen? Gordy is an obvious answer. If I know of anyone else who is fully confirmed, I wouldn't be offering their name up unless their exile became inevitable -- the price would be their imprisonment. As for Spy, once again, no. I don't peg 100% unless they are confirmed by something in-game like an investigation. There are people I am fairly happy with, but what happens if we dwindle down to a final 3? I'd have to reconsider them, and therefore, I do not consider them 100% confirmed anything, because I realize that is a possibility. spies4Masaki: <done> spies4Faizah: What should we as citizens aim for when exiling people? Is the current method working overall, or does it need tweaking? What would be the ideal situation (without investigations taken into consideration) spies4Masaki: I think we're doing a _decent_ job so far. Cases are being made public, but I feel as if there remains a level of secrecy behind these exiles. Cain's was a perfect case, where he was given plenty of time to formulate a defense, and people were able to formulate their opinions. I think an improvement would be to go back to how we did things earlier on, where we'd post who we were voting for in advance. In addition, I think we should have people post their reasons. This eliminates the secrecy, and we are able to better tell what people's intentions are. spies4Masaki: <done> spies4Faizah: What has your basic gameplan been throughout the game? (you dont have to go until crazy detail, just a summary) spies4Masaki: Basically the same as any mafia game - talk to people, take notes, and follow up on the things that do not click. spies4Faizah: Who do you think will be imprisoned tonight? Why? spies4Masaki: I have no clue. It depends on a great number of things. Depends on who the Traditionalist is, what their position is, and what they're trying to achieve. Are they trying to throw us off and look in another direction? Trying to set someone up? Trying to put themself in a better position? I don't know. Do you? spies4Masaki: <done> spies4Faizah: Ok spies4Faizah: Thanks Mistaki! spies4Masaki: <3 spies4Faizah: <3 spies4Masaki: <3 <3 spies4Masaki: spies4Faizah: <3<3<3 spies4Masaki: Ok you win! spies4Faizah: always.
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Post by Kip on Nov 15, 2007 14:15:24 GMT -5
spies4kip (1:33:29 PM): Question #1: What is your opinion on last night? spies4Masaki (1:35:46 PM): I find it oddly coincidental that Johan was taken out right after he slips up to many people about his role. However, it's still in the realm of possibility that there's more to it. For example, we still do not know what powers the Orthodoxy possess, and as a result, it's possible they somehow were able to figure out Johan's role, and tell the Traditionalist through their method of communication. As far as we know, only Singe, Zander, Candy, Johan, and Gordy knew about Johan's role, but did one of them tell someone else? That's what we need to find out. spies4kip (1:36:27 PM): So you don't think one of Singe, Candy or Zander is a for sure Spy? spies4kip (1:38:40 PM): Masaki? spies4Masaki (1:39:19 PM): No spies4Masaki (1:39:48 PM): We don't know if the information got leaked to someone else, so until we hear from everyone who we do know that knew, I'm not willing to be 100% certain of anything based on this. spies4kip (1:41:27 PM): Question #2: Do you think Gordy is doing a good job on his return to the Burg? spies4Masaki (1:43:56 PM): He's doing a good job of passing messages along and keeping people informed, but he needs to think based on his own analysis instead of that from others. Also, I find it a bit upsetting that he wasn't able to get us Adelaide's list of suspects, as I think that would have really helped us out. Things he needs to do is help us address this new Singe/Johan issue. He claims Singe altered some of those messages, so if he in fact did do so, he should stop saying it, and start showing us that it is indeed true. spies4kip (1:45:55 PM): Question #3: Is there any one person that makes most of the decisions for the Burg? spies4kip (1:48:34 PM): Is it even possible for one person to lead all the others? spies4Masaki (1:49:58 PM): Not any one person. There are a number of them. Candy and Singe, obviously, are the top two influences right now. With Gordy back, he's also up there with them. spies4kip (1:50:58 PM): Question #4: One thing Gordy did was give us some insight into the fatemakers powers, what do you think about that? spies4Masaki (1:57:44 PM): I think it's a very beneficial role, and I'm glad that it hasn't been eliminated from the game(to our knowledge). Though unfortunately it's not one we can control to full extent, because Spies are able to control which names go to the Fatemaker, it could cause us some problems if bad names are inserted on a constant basis, and the wrong people receive the beneficial gifts. spies4kip (1:58:45 PM): Question #5: On the topic of roles, it seems the last three players Imprisoned all had one. Are the Spies rolehunting? Is it smart for a Citizen to tell anyone a role? How much can you honestly trust someone? spies4Masaki (2:05:17 PM): I find it odd that they'd rolehunt - especially the Traditionalist who probably should be focusing more on taking out the Orthodoxy. But, they may be looking for the Fatemaker, or fear an investigative role. In Gordy's case, I think it's obvious he was taken out for having a role. The fact he was imprisoned twice in a row is the indication of that.
As for trust, I think we've seen what trust can do to you. Yet, I think it's a matter of trusting wisely. Someone like Gordy is the only person you know you can trust, because their alignment can be proven. spies4kip (2:06:48 PM): Question #6: Are the Spies playing smart then? Or are they getting lucky? spies4Masaki (2:08:50 PM): Hard to tell in Johan's case, but I think they're probably cooperating to hunt down the roles. Again, Gordy's case makes it seem almost impossible that that is not the case. With the other two, it's harder to say without knowing who knew what - but we're at least working on that in Johan's case. spies4kip (2:09:22 PM): Question #7: So who are the Ortho spies? spies4Masaki (2:13:02 PM): Don't we all wish we knew? I think it's just a matter of looking at people who are carrying out an Orthodoxy agenda, and since we only eliminated one of them early on in the game, it'll be harder to make that call until we eliminate another one. spies4kip (2:13:25 PM): So no names? spies4Masaki (2:14:45 PM): I could see Leon being an Orthodoxy because of his interactions with Angelica. I could also see Faizah being Orthodoxy because of her voting pattern, or Candy because of her focuses, but these are all little things without much of a foundation. spies4kip (2:15:00 PM): Alright. spies4kip (2:15:05 PM): Thanks you Masaki. spies4kip (2:15:12 PM): You can go about your business.
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