Summer's Government File

[Cain]

Please post all evidence about Summer here.

[Hannah]

She just doesnt seem to make sense. Sherri suspected her on the second day of the game (i have the log if anyone would like it). First accusing Faizah for seemingly no reason, then She led the vote against me, after having NEVER spoken to me, and these were apparently her reasons:

(7:11:22 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:20:18 PM): I think if she's a citizen, she's doing a lot of talking in the wrong places
(7:11:25 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:20:29 PM): I think she's pretending too
(7:11:29 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:21:11 PM): She also tag-teams a lot with someone I find suspicious
(7:11:47 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:22:24 PM): If I really wanted Kiysohi gone last round, for example, I could have voted for him

spies4Summer (5:22:25 PM): Well

spies4Summer (5:22:26 PM): I couldn't have

spies4Summer (5:22:29 PM): Because he was in my family
(7:11:49 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:22:35 PM): But you also have to save the people you trust
(7:12:11 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:22:47 PM): So it's double sided
(7:12:13 AM) spies4Beverly: spies4Summer (5:22:57 PM): Will voting Hannah result in someone I trust leaving this round?
(7:12:20 AM) spies4Beverly: THATS ABOUT IT FROM HER
(7:12:27 AM) spies4Beverly: MOST OF MY DECISION WAS I WAS VOTING
(7:12:29 AM) spies4Beverly: GRACE OR U
(7:12:36 AM) spies4hannah: but who am i apparently tag teaming with?
(7:12:40 AM) spies4Beverly: SHE DIDNT SAY
(7:12:59 AM) spies4hannah: well thats helpful. a lot of talking in the wrong places?
(7:13:08 AM) spies4hannah: that sounds like a made up reason if ive ever heard one

[Beverly]

IT BUGS ME THAT U POSTED THIS WITHOUT MY PERMISSION

U ASKED FOR WHAT SUMMER SAID TO ME ABOUT THE VOTE SO I GAVE IT TO U BUT I DONT KNO WHY U WOULD FLAUNT IT WITHOUT CHECKING WITH ME

[Hannah]

sorry beverly i didnt think it would upset u. I just wanted people to be able to make their own decisions about it.

[Faizah]

Don't worry Bev, as USUAL Summer comes off looking bad....and mis-informed/confused. She trips up alot. Also, this was odd to me in the Grace exile chat:

Sorin the Seeker: The Citizens must eliminate all Spies to win.
Spies4 Jeremiah: How about the Spies?
Spies4 Jeremiah: Didn't answer my question.
spies4Leon: they might think someone is a citizen, but really another spy
Sorin the Seeker: Each group of Spies must have the majority of total votes to win.
spies4Summer: Yeah but when it gets down to say 3 spies in each group, who wins?
Spies4 Jeremiah: Ah.
spies4Lloyd: why do you care summer
spies4Naomi: ooo
spies4hannah: lol
spies4Summer: It's important for strategy
spies4Naomi: spy strategy!
spies4Naomi: lol
Spies4 Jeremiah: Hah!
spies4Lloyd: summer = #1 suspect
spies4Summer: No ...
Spies4 Jeremiah: KNEW IT
Spies4 Jeremiah: Haha.
spies4Faizah: wow.
spies4Leon: one group has to have the majority
spies4Emma has left the room.
spies4Masaki: 7 spies...
Sorin the Seeker: And that is all.

[Beverly]

HANNAH ITS JUST I THINK U SHUD ASK ME FIRST IM NOT GOING TO KILL U THO JUST A MISTAKE BUT PUDGETTE DONT DO IT AGAIN

[Hannah]

okay will ask u next time Bev. Love the Pudgette

[Summer]

1. I didn't lead the vote against Hannah. I didn't know Leon and Bunni voted for Hannah until Beverly mentioned it. Beverly decided to vote for Hannah all on her own. Saying I lead a vote against Hannah when I didn't try to rally any votes up and she received 4 votes out of 26 is completely idiotic.

Posts like those - where Hannah accuses people with poor reasoning - are the reason why I voted for Hannah.

2. The Beverly-Summer transcript is taken out of context. We were discussing voting who you suspect versus voting majority. Beverly thinks you should vote for whoever you suspect. I said that my vote also depends on who will be exiled if I don't vote and make a majority. I worded my argument poorly probably because I was caught up in exile chaos.

3. I was curious what would happen if each spy group reached a point where they outnumbered citizens and had equal numbers. It will influence how the spy groups target each other if a stalemate is considered a win. I'm smart enough to know to ask the question to Sam in the spy headquarters if I was a spy. But I'm not a spy and I was curious, so I asked in chat.

[Faizah]

Posts like those - where Hannah accuses people with poor reasoning - are the reason why I voted for Hannah.

Then why give weak reasons when YOU accuse people? Saying I was a spy because errbody else in my family wasnt capable of doing it, so by default it was me?

That right there is some major hypocrisy.

[Hannah]

summer said:

Posts like those - where Hannah accuses people with poor reasoning - are the reason why I voted for Hannah.

Well i hate to be the one to point it out, but at least i MAKE posts stating my suspicions, whther u think my reasoning is poor or not.

[Hannah]

oh and "I didn't know Leon and Bunni voted for Hannah until Beverly mentioned it."?

They both posted that they suspected me on the boards, so are u admitting u dont read the boards now?

[Summer]

Oh look it's the anti-Summer brigade come to gang up on me once again. 3 posts in 10 minutes. You guys are efficient.

Faizah: It makes sense to me that there is a spy in the diva group and that whoever it is would want to be low-key and on good terms with everyone. In my opinion, you're on great terms with everyone. I think that Lloyd, Beverly, and Bunni would all make capable spies, but I think you'd make the best one.

Some people obviously don't agree. That's fine. They perceive things differently and have reached different conclusions. I'm stating my suspicions and I still stand by them.

Hannah - I don't remember every single post that 26 people make. I do read the boards but I didn't remember Leon or Bunni saying they were voting for you. I'm sure they did, but it didn't affect my decision at all.

And you do make quite a number of posts accusing people and changing your mind on logic that doesn't hold water with me.

Edited for grammar.

[Faizah]

Well, if you were on AIM instead of just ghostin' the board.....

And Summer, couldnt the reasoning you used on me/the DIVA family be used on ANY family? That is why I think you are wack about that one.

[Summer]

I was on AIM for several hours tonight. You missed me. It's superlate and I'm finishing up homework, so I'm not going to sign on. I'll try and catch you tomorrow.

Sure, you could look at any family and try to ask yourself who is the most suspicious. But you have to admit: Beverly pulls a LOT of attention to herself. I stated my opinion on the divas family first because I think a spy would want to be close to the most vocal person in the game. When Beverly speaks, people hear her (whether they actually listen is another story).

[Faizah]

WE WERE A FAMILY WAY BEFORE ROLES WERE EVEN GIVEN OUT!!!!! How can you possibly not know that by now???

shew, I am so done tonight....I am way too tired.

[Beverly]

SUMMER TO CLEAR THE AIR HANNAH ASKED FOR WAHT U SAID SO I ONLY SHOWED HER THE PARTS WHERE U SPOKE ABOUT VOTING FOR HER THE OTHER STUFF WAS NONE OF HER BUSINESS PLUS ITS NONE OF HER BUSINESS TO POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACEWITHOUT CHECKING ME ALTHO I GUESS ID IDNT CLEAR THAT WITH HER

SUMMER FOR THE RECORD I AM NOT STARTING A BRIGADE AGAISNT U CUZ I DONT EVNE HAVE A READ ON WHO U R (SPY OR CIT) SO DONT EVEN GET ME STARTING SAYING 3 POSTERS IN 10 MINUTES U CAN SAY 2 POSTERS BUT NOT 3

[Summer]

I said 3 posts ... not posters ...

Beverly, I get why you showed it to her. In Hannah's defense, the only defined rule regarding what you can and can't post is you can't post multiple conversations. Everything else is technically legal and it's Sam's call on deciding when Hannah's posted too much. I have nothing to hide, so I'm fine with it. There isn't anything I can do but be cautious anyway.

And in response to Faizah, okay, that's good to know.

[Judge Sam]

My feelings on you consistently bobble, but overall they are fading once more... While I never really talk to you, I would be very surprised if you did not have genuine intentions, at least at this point. It depends on how the rest of the game goes, but you don't seem to really have any ill intentions.

I do think, however, that you are smart, so whether you are a spy or a citizen (I'm leaning towards citizen right now) you are a very good player and I commend you on that.

[Judge Sam]

You play well when you apply yourself, but you're another person I think is laying a little too low, which stinks of self-preservation. If you're a cit you should be posting and attacking possible spies more stridently. Your demeanor with Candy's level of attack would be a deadly combo. Don't be afraid to make an enemy or two in the name of good.

[Kate (Damon)]

Summer's Interview by Damon

1. Do you see the Burg as divided and as such how do you see it split?

I do see the burg divided.

On the most macro level, there's the divide of spies against citizens. The last 3 imprisonments were all citizens with roles - the last 4 if you include the imprisonment that didn't work. Taking out a citizen whose role was "I can receive messages" but was fairly inactive pales in comparison to removing a solid threat. But the spies have made it clear they are playing against the citizens and not each other.

I'm not sure how divided the spies are within their groups or of citizen divisions. I'd like to say there aren't solid cliques, but that might be naivity.


2. There's been a lot of accusations flying around in the Burg. What accusation do you think holds the most merit and who do you personaly think is the most suspicious?

Three people seem to be perpetually accused: Masaki, Leon, and Candy. There are solid cases to make for all 3 of them but I personally think, looking at my own evidence, that Leon is the most suspicious.

3. What have you discerned from the ranking Activity of Round XIII and the reactions of the Burg together?

(Round VIII Damon )

No one considers the inactives to be genuine, and the inactives are perceived as self-preservationists.

"Do you ever see (the inactives) really participating in laying down the suspicious behavior of other players, or do they tend to go along with the flow and never offer an alternative?" was an interesting comment. It seems to describe the behavior of the remaining spies.

Singe repeated his comment that I'm holding back and hiding but the rankings disagree. I have noticed that in general, I perceive things very differently from Singe.


4. What is your view of Alliances and their place in a Mafia game?

Alliances are natural. People value trust and will group themselves with those they trust. The key is to be aware that you may be trusting a spy, and act accordingly.


5. How do you think the twist has effected the way we, as the Burg, have been strategizing?

I think there's a more important question here: Why hasn't the twist affected the way the spies strategize? The last imprisonment was the Traditionalist's turn but she or he imprisoned someone who wasn't an active threat to their personal survival. As the lone spy, personal survival should be the top priority. But it indicates the Traditionalist isn't playing a spy v. spy game, and that brings up the question of WHY?


(And sorry about the XIII vs. VIII. I never was good at roman numerals.)

[Leon]

spies4Summer: Hi Leon
spies4Summer: Sorry, I was away for a few minutes
spies4Leon: Its no problem, do you have time for a few questions? (interview)
spies4Summer: Well ... I guess so
spies4Leon: it shouldnt take too too long just 4 of em
spies4Leon: Regarding Candy, do you believe she's the fatemaker? Or a spy claiming it?
spies4Summer: Of course I believe she's the Fatemaker. As of the beginning of this round, we knew the Fatemaker was alive and talking to Gordy. No one has countered Candy's claim. Her explanation of the Beverly investigation explains many things. Furthermore, no one has tried harder than her to catch the spies. I would have believed any claim that labeled her as a citizen.
spies4Leon: Good, good, Now, this exile should be a close one between Kip and Masaki, however the points are very different. Do you think its more important to find a spy or confirm a citizen?
spies4Summer: I don't see this exile as a tradeoff between finding a spy or confirming a citizen. I'm choosing between exiling a spy suspect or reducing my list of spy suspects.
spies4Leon: So who would you be exiling then?
spies4Summer: My vote, unless it changes in the next half hour, will be for Kip.
spies4Summer: The vote saddens me because I like him quite a lot
spies4Leon: Finally, it has been said that inactives or penalty recievers are most likely citizens, do you find this assumption to be true?
spies4Summer: I find any assumption dangerous. I thought it was very reckless of you, Leon, to not have any conversations and not vote, especially when you had been warned before, but in retrospect Emma was an inactive and a penalty receiver.
spies4Leon: Well that was out of my control, but I was just seeing your take on it, so thanks for your answers, and good luck in the exile.

[Singe]

spies4Summer: We saw with Gordy what happens to confirmed citizens
spies4Summer: Unfortunately
spies4Singe: How was he confirmed?
spies4Summer: He went around for a while saying he had a role
spies4Summer: Then he got chummy with a spyu
spies4Summer: Who imprisoned him
spies4Singe: so he could have been an ortho
spies4Singe: with a role
spies4Singe: but somehow you knew he was a cit
spies4Summer: Yes I know because Sam said he was
spies4Summer: I questioned it a little beforehand
spies4Singe: that's not what you said
spies4Singe: "spies4Summer: We saw with Gordy what happens to confirmed citizens"
spies4Singe: past tense