Zander's Government File

[Cain]

Please post all evidence about Zander here.

[Judge Sam]

Zander if you have a problem with someone do not get personal or name calling eg. calling me a douchebag. Just tell them the problem. You criiticse people who self preserve and dont contribute yet go ape at people. Do no be constantly set to away and if you feel people dont talk enough initiate conversations yourself.

[Judge Sam]

Zander if you have a problem with someone do not get personal or name calling eg. calling me a douchebag. Just tell them the problem. You criiticse people who self preserve and dont contribute yet go ape at Adelaide. Do no be constantly set to away and if you feel people dont talk enough initiate conversations yourself.

[Judge Sam]

I personally think u are an awesome player and are very smart, however in order for other ppl to listen and respond to ur clever theories and ideas its important that u come off a little less abrasively. I know some ppl have said that they have had conflicts with u , and i think this hurts us as citizens, and i am pretty sure u are a citizen, as then u are likely to have less influence with them. It would also be great if u posted a bit more frequently. Otherwise, good job overall.

[Judge Sam]

I think you are pretty intelligent, but I also think you are just letting that part show. This either means you are a very smart player, or a good spy. Seems like the revelations just not started coming, when they should have been coming a long time ago. I do think you present topics well, with good information...maybe just a bit much sometimes.

[Judge Sam]

I think you're capable of a lot more than you've shown, which leads me to believe you could possibly be a spy lying low. Consider not fence sitting so much and taking more bold independent stands. Use your talents.

[Kip]

spies4kip (1:38:36 PM): Question #1: What is your opinion on last night?
spies4Zander (1:40:19 PM): I was a complete drunken mess but I stand by everything I (remember that I) said. And I don't understand why Masaki has yet to post the chat... Though he did block me!
spies4kip (1:41:50 PM): I was refering to the Johan Imprisonment, and the backlash that occured following it.
spies4Zander (1:42:45 PM): oh sorry lol
spies4kip (1:43:34 PM): lol
spies4Zander (1:44:00 PM): Well, I also said last night that I have a gut feeling the person who imprisoned Johan wasn't someone Johan told about his role. Either a random Imprisonment or perhaps transfer of information from somewhere. I'm also not a big fan of getting dragged into the situation when, as I posted in the chat, Johan told me the most limited things about himself as possible and I was under the impression it was a gift, not a role
spies4kip (1:45:22 PM): So you don't buy into the "Singe or Candy! One is a Spy" talk?
spies4Zander (1:46:11 PM): Not really because obviously I feel like I can trust Candy and I'm really not sure on where Singe lies. I still have neither one in my Top 3 and Johan's Imprisonment, in my eyes, shouldn't really change that
spies4kip (1:46:24 PM): Alright.
spies4Zander (1:46:33 PM): Keep in mind Gordy is bcak and Gordy loves spreading info where he shouldn't
spies4kip (1:46:38 PM): Question #2: Do you think Gordy is doing a good job on his return to the Burg?
spies4Zander (1:46:49 PM): also keep in mind Johan could have told other people about his role vaguely. Something like this needs to be looked into more
spies4Zander (1:47:26 PM): I think Gordy is doing a good job of spreading information that we did not before know about. But he's leaving soon and has yet to really accomplish anything big. All we know is Loser's Lounge suspects Singe and that the spies keep imprisoning people with roles... I want to learn more
spies4Zander (1:47:44 PM): I also don't think he ever came out and said who he suspects
spies4Zander (1:47:52 PM): And to me, that doesn't make sense. He should be the voice of reason here
spies4kip (1:48:02 PM): I agree.
spies4kip (1:48:21 PM): Question #3: Is there any one person that makes most of the decisions for the Burg? Is it even possible for one person to lead all the others?
spies4Zander (1:49:26 PM): A lot of people like to pass Candy off as the scapegoat for ideas like that
spies4Zander (1:49:31 PM): Singe, in my mind, is just about as guilty
spies4Zander (1:49:46 PM): The problem is not too many people left want to think for themselves, and if anybody besides Candy or Singe presents information, nobody will listen
spies4Zander (1:50:01 PM): It's certainly not possible to win under those conditions, especially if one does turn out to be a spy
spies4kip (1:50:48 PM): Question #4: One thing Gordy did was give us some insight into the fatemakers powers, what do you think about that?
spies4Zander (1:52:05 PM): That's definitely helpful, but the problem lies in if the spies can pick themselves, other spies, or only citizens. And Gordy (I think) has yet to tell us that. When he does, we will have a lot more information to work with
spies4Zander (1:52:17 PM): So basically, yes, it's helpful pending more details
spies4kip (1:54:36 PM): Question #5: On the topic of roles, it seems the last three players Imprisoned all had one. Are the Spies rolehunting? Is it smart for a Citizen to tell anyone a role? How much can you honestly trust someone?
spies4Zander (1:55:53 PM): Well, it all depends on who the information is being shared with. For example, I didn't know Johan had a role. I also didn't know Adelaide had a role. And I only knew Gordy had a role because Beverly, the spy, told me. So in my eyes, information ISN'T being that widely shared but it's still possible there is a spy on the inside.
spies4Zander (1:56:09 PM): So maybe it could be best for people to not share role information anymore or something, unless they have some type of imprisonment safety
spies4Zander (1:56:56 PM): I think ultimately the spies are just going after indirect threats, especially since we're not aware fo who the spies are at this point, this in my eyes is the best method to look at it with
spies4Zander (1:57:11 PM): Gordy was basically a confirmed citizen, and trusted by many people in the burg - clearly a threat
spies4Zander (1:57:34 PM): Everyone was saying Adelaide had a free ride to the endgame. Nobody would ever target here, and maybe some of her cracked out theories were right and the spies had to get rid of her
spies4Zander (1:58:05 PM): Johan was lurking, but the spies must have known he was smart, whether they knew about his role or not. His name did not come up much and I honestly don't think he would have been exiled any time soon
spies4Zander (1:58:41 PM): I think the spies are trying to take out people that don't have many suspicions on them, to make the endgame harder. The problem with that then would be that the spies ARE suspicious people who are still somehow surviving when people like Cain leave, right?
spies4Zander (1:58:57 PM): So I think there needs to be more assessment before we just gladly bandwagon our asses off
spies4kip (1:59:37 PM): Question #6: Are the Spies playing smart then? Or are they getting lucky?
spies4Zander (2:01:08 PM): That's all relative to who the spies are. But I think they're doing a good job at setting other people up. Again one of the reasons why I suspect Masaki. By claiming he thought he was the last trad. but didn't want to exile him to gain more evidence, Masaki got eyes off of himself and onto Cain to a point where Cain could no longer dodge anything
spies4Zander (2:01:14 PM): the move was smart but transparent. It's relative.
spies4kip (2:03:57 PM): Question #7: So who are the Ortho spies?
spies4Zander (2:04:30 PM): If I'm taking it fully from my top 3 suspects, it would be Damon and Leon, since I think Masaki is the trad.
spies4Zander (2:04:39 PM): Although I think any combination of those three could be the orthos.
spies4Zander (2:05:19 PM): I'm still keeping my eyes on people like Singe, you, Faizah, and Summer to a much lesser extent
spies4Zander (2:05:44 PM): but those three are stuck in my mind as spies at the moment
spies4kip (2:06:35 PM): That's it.
spies4kip (2:06:40 PM): Thank you for your time Zander.
spies4Zander (2:06:52 PM): No problem, overly formal Kip

[Leon]

spies4Leon: Hey Zander
spies4Zander: Yo yo!
spies4Zander: how's it going Leon?
spies4Leon: Good, do you have enough time for the interview?
spies4Zander: surely
spies4Leon: Awesome
spies4Leon: So lets see..some questions...
spies4Leon: Last round you were a driving force against Masaki, will you be trying that again this round?
spies4Zander: Honestly at this point, I am not too sure
spies4Zander: I greatly suspect two people right now, and Masaki is one of them
spies4Leon: Who is the other?
spies4Zander: I always vote of my own accord, and so it will ultimately be whom I suspect the most
spies4Zander: Singe
spies4Zander: But there is a strong chance I might vote for Masaki so I don't want to say yes or no right now when I'm not sure
spies4Leon: Now, Kip is going to be a major target this round, have you taken the evidence against him in consideration?
spies4Zander: I wouldn't even call it evidence
spies4Zander: It's more of a request, or an invoice
spies4Leon: well, the statements
spies4Zander: I just don't see the logic in voting for someone just because it might tell us something. Risking a citizen to confirm another, instead of eliminating someone I really think is a spy, is foolish
spies4Leon: I see. Now, the numbers in the game are slowly decreasing. How confident are you that you will be among the last few remaining people?
spies4Zander: Not at all
spies4Zander: But the more I get dragged into the "suspicious spectrum", the more I would I'm safe from Imprisonment
spies4Zander: While I don't think I deserve to be brought into the Johan drama with his Imprisonment, the suspicion it brings me makes me feel a little safer from the spies imprisoning me
spies4Zander: So if the citizens realize I'm genuine but the spies think I could be exiled, then yes, I might make it to the end... But that's a longshot
spies4Leon: So, if you don't make it further, how do you think you'll be eliminated?
spies4Zander: At this point, exile, just because of the attention that's been brought onto me lately
spies4Zander: Which is a severe contrast from the last few weeks when I seriously thought I'd be Imprisoned
spies4Leon: Okay. Now there has been a lot of talk about Candy, do you think she truly is the fatemaker?
spies4Zander: Yes
spies4Zander: I've suspected Candy for weeks on end
spies4Zander: er
spies4Zander: trusted
spies4Zander: lmao
spies4Zander: FREUDIAN SLIP :-P
spies4Zander: No but seriously I've trusted Candy for so long at this point
spies4Zander: and I never knew she was the fatemaker, but I always knew I could trust her
spies4Zander: so this just confirms it even more
spies4Leon: I see, now, you mentioned before that Singe was a major suspect of yours
spies4Leon: may I ask what your reasoning behind that is?
spies4Zander: Sure
spies4Zander: This week, specifically yesterday he tried to separate me and Candy
spies4Zander: knowing that we were very close
spies4Zander: he literally spent the whole day trying to get me to questione verything Candy and I have talked about and why I trust her
spies4Zander: and then later that night she reveals she's the fatemaker
spies4Zander: he's also pushing people to think I'm a spy based on the Johan Imprisonment, when I was under the impression Johan got a gift and nothing more (confirmed in my poll thread)
spies4Zander: He's trying too hard to stay the center of attention and take all suspicions off of him and onto the other most vocal people
spies4Zander: it's basically about the sketchiest move I've seen this week, trying to pull me and Candy apart
spies4Zander: he has no reason to try to do that
spies4Zander: unless he thinks that us working together is a threat
spies4Leon: I see
spies4Leon: Well, lets move back to citizens. Besides Candy, who are you most sure of to be a citizen?
spies4Zander: most sure of? Nobody, but there are people I and more than 50% of the way thinking are citizens at this point
spies4Zander: Hannah, Summer, Bunni, Kip...
spies4Zander: I'm not certain but they all strike me as citizens
spies4Leon: I see, and to finish it off, there has been some word that someone being inactive is a sure citizen, do you believe this philosophy?
spies4Zander: Absolutely not. Emma was inactive and was a spy - my theory is that as we get to the later parts of the game, *like starting two weeks ago*, spies will absolutely take themselves out of the spotlight
spies4Zander: And why? Because it takes them to the endgame when we listen to Singe and target the more vocal people
spies4Zander: The Johan Imprisonment pitted the three most vocal people in the game against each other as exile targets, basically. Somehow you and Masaki became the real exile targets though until more "information" was gathered
spies4Zander: This is not to say you are a spy, I just don't think that's guaranteed info one way or another
spies4Zander: there's much better stuff to work with than someone being unable to be here for two days
spies4Leon: Okay, that reminds me, last exile, would you say you are glad or dissapointed of how the turnout was?
spies4Zander: Very disappointed, for many reasons
spies4Zander: I didn't think you would get self-votes, and I was disappointed about that
spies4Zander: I also didn't expect Candy Hannah and Gordy to ACCUSE Masaki
spies4Zander: I've known his identity basically all game and never had to resort to that
spies4Leon: ok, well its been good talking to you
spies4Leon: Good luck at the exile
spies4Zander: Do you know how you're voting?
spies4Leon: Yes
spies4Zander: Well, WHO?! :-P
spies4Leon: Kip
spies4Zander: *sigh*
spies4Leon: Im sorry, but how he turns out will tell us a lot
spies4Zander: Not if he turns out spy, it really doesn't tell us anything...
spies4Zander: I understand your reasoning, but what my mind is telling me is this
spies4Leon: sorry
spies4Leon: i meant to say help
spies4Leon: not tell
spies4Zander: Exile Masaki, which there is FINALLY a good chance of doing lol.., an in my mind clear spy.
spies4Zander: or Exile Kip who might be a spy, just to confirm a citizen
spies4Zander: we're losing a citizen for a citizen, potentially, instead of eliminating a spy.
spies4Leon: Do you think Masaki will be exiled?
spies4Zander: I think he coudl be

[Zander]

admin said:

I think you're capable of a lot more than you've shown, which leads me to believe you could possibly be a spy lying low. Consider not fence sitting so much and taking more bold independent stands. Use your talents.

This one interests me a lot... Did Kip send it?

[Kip]

No. At least I don't think I did...

[Summer]

Singe did.