Working Together - Please Respond

[traditionalist]

I'll be blunt and get right to the point. This is my last
message on this board until both you and I agree to the following :

A... Both teams must reveal themselves to one another to allow for a
better arrangement of communication. Let's face it, this current
arrangement is not benefiting us.

B... Refrain from cross imprisonments until the family system has been
abolished[7 players or fewer]. There's no gain in it for you. There's
no gain in it for me.

C... Work together with shaping the exiles -> The influence we'd carry
would be sufficient to shape these in our favor.

The lack of response I received with regards to the joint decision of
our alternative input to the Fatemaker has made it clear to me that
you're either afraid to trust me, or you do not like my team. If it's
the latter, it's time to move on - we cannot win this alone. My
disadvantage is obvious - I am the lone Traditionalist, while yours
is that I can accidentally hit you with an Imprisonment.

If you fear that I may lie about who I am, then stop worrying, because
I have a way we can do this without deception. Whoever's turn it is to
reveal, will need to put up an away message on their Instant Messenger
account, with a phrase that only the three of us(and Sam, I suppose)
with access to these boards would know about

For example, let us say it is my turn to reveal. Let's say I am
Beverly. You would wait for me, Beverly, to put my away message up at
the time I specify. If you're afraid that I'll be doing this to look
to see who is online, then feel free to set your status to invisible
at the time. Let's say it's 4:00 PM, CST. If my away message reads
exactly what it is that I said it would, then I could not possibly be
someone who is an outsider to these boards.

I'll give you until it is my turn to Imprison to reach a decision. No,
we do NOT have to reveal before the Imprisonment, but the decision
must be reached by then; it's my only requirement, because I feel as
if you're stalling to come to grips with this. I realize you are
afraid that I might imprison one of you, and therefore, for you to
trust me, I will not make that a requirement. However, if the decision
has not been posted here by that point in time, then I will take it as
a clear message from your team to mine that you do not wish to work
together. I'm sorry, but this arrangement is not working out in its
current form.

So if you want a shot of winning this game, let's do this together,
grudges and past aside, and take this for the win.

-Your Friendly Spy Neighbor.[/b]

[orthodoxy]

Okay well work with you. The condition is both teams select who to be imprisoned for every imprisonment until the final 7 then. and well reveal after this next imprisonment?

[traditionalist]

orthodoxy said:

Okay well work with you. The condition is both teams select who to be imprisoned for every imprisonment until the final 7 then. and well reveal after this next imprisonment?

Yes. We could reveal before the imprisonment, but I can understand you wanting to wait. However, if the exile is on Wednesday, we will really really really need to do it ASAP. I am thinking we should do it right after Imprisonment, when most people are bound to be on.

What do you think?[/b]

[orthodoxy]

definitely well do it right after imprisonment.

who do you want to imprison this week then

[traditionalist]

For imprisonment, I am thinking Summer. Something big is going to happen this episode, and getting rid of her is something that has to be done. I can explain it fully once we've revealed ourselves, but if you have a concern with that, please let me know.

Another concern is the order in which we reveal ourselves. I think the most fair order would be :

1) One of you reveals
2) I reveal
3) The second of you reveals

I can't see any other way that'd be fair both ways, but if you do, please let me know.[/b]

[orthodoxy]

we actually like your idea of all of us doing it at the same time like after imprisonment or something via away message. that way nobody screws anyone eover

wed also like more information on why her for imprsionment

[traditionalist]

The problem I see with all of us going at once is that someone still has to put up their away message first. I'm trying to come up with a method where both of our teams don't feel like we'd be cheated, but I can't think of anything that is 100% foolproof. Do you think we should decide on an order, or what? I simply fear we'll all be waiting for the other side to put theirs up first, and we'd never get anywhere. Thoughts?

On the topic of Imprisonment :::: I can't really get into full detail until we reveal, but it has to do with our beloved Fatemaker. No its not that I think Summer is the Fatemaker but it has to do with the Fatemaker still. Who did you have in mind?[/b]

[traditionalist]

Im still willing to hear your thoughts on imprisonment.

Would you like to do the reveale tonight rather than tomorrow? Exile is coming up very shortly after. . .However, I can understand your desire to wait if that is your decision.[/b]

[traditionalist]

what is your response to this? the time is now

[traditionalist]

Why do you think sam posted that announcement about us not being able to imprison eachother, and conveniently at this time? i tried imprisoning one of you, and the request was blocked. and after finding out who you are, i am 95% certain i know who the other is. That's right...

F-A-I-Z-A-H I-S A S-P-Y

your silence is unacceptable. you agreed to this and you have now backed out with cold silence. if you don't wish to cooperate, we are going to lose this game. candy has won points and the ability to win investigative powers. the fatemaker role is out and publicly known, meaning if we don't manipulate it, we're going to be put at even more of a disadvantage.

i am unaware as to whether or not you know my identity. your ignorance to my revelation request indicates that you do. however, recent actions i have witnessed from you two indicate the opposite. i am giving you the opportunity to find out who i am. I have very little to gain from this deal in terms of raw names, so you'd best believe i'm here to benefit us as whole, as screwing you over would be excruiciatingly counter productive. example, why the hell haven't i sold Faizah out by now? Simple answer - it will not benefit me, nor will it benefit you. That is why, if you know who I am, that you have not made moves against me in the slightest.

So what is the final answer? This must happen before the next exile, or i'm taking that as a sign of hostility, and therefore will see no reason to act in the benefit of your group. Your call.[/b]

[orthodoxy]

The plan is still on. We must work together. WE WILL NOT WIN ALONE. If you are Kip, you need to speak up now so we can start working for you to stay, if not, you are toast.

[traditionalist]

I have gone OUT OF MY WAY to make this work between us. I can't work together when you guys aren't cooperating. I had set a date, you agreed to it. WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU? You completely blew me off with the revelation thing. So what the hell do you want from me? I can't do anything MORE to make this work without you doing your share. I don't know who your second member is. The only member who I do know acts like she doesn't even know her own role.

So for my sake I am going to assume Faizah doesn't even read these neutral boards.

I'm not telling you who I am until I know who you are - I've given Faizah what she needs. She either knows, or she's clueless. You tell me who you are. I have 0.0000 reason to trust you after you completely blew me off, and I _know_ as per SAM that FAIZAH IS A SPY and I've not made a single move against her.

Remember, after you imprison someone, there will be 9 players left in the game. At that point, 5 votes is the majority. With 3 of us, we would only need to steal TWO votes in order to swing an exile into our favor. If I work solo, I would have to swing four votes on my own. If you work alone, you'd have to swing three. With both of us fighting for those same votes in order to go our separate ways, we'll never win this game.[/b]

[orthodoxy]

Then you reveal and my partner will reveal. thats what you wanted right, ortho reveal, trad reveal, ortho reveal.

Listen we agree with you, once we know identities we can work together much more closely. But it's your turn to do it. We were only reluctant because we didnt want to be imprisoned. Now we have nothing to hide. And neither do you.

[orthodoxy]

There's only room for one spy group here... Sorry those jerks voted you out though I can't believe Hannah switched!

[Masaki]

It was a nice try, haha.

[Zander]

<3 Jack Attack, </3 Mistaki.