Episode 00 - Hot or Not List

[Beverly]

HOT

Adelaide
Bunni
Cain
Candy
Emma
Faizah
Gordy
Jeremiah
Leon
Lloyd (Because he's my gay bitch, not because he's hot)
Madison
Naomi (But I'd like to put her in Middilian)
Ralph


MIDDILIAN

Angelica
Damon
Lise
Summer


NOT

Abrams
Grace
Hannah
Jonah
Kip
Kiyoshi
Martha
Masaki
Sherri (Last minute move from Middilian; being a bitch to Bev!)
Singe


ELITE

Beverly (DUH)
Zander (I want him out of the hot group, but he's definitely worthy of an invitation)

[Beverly]

You all know you want to be on this list. I can't wait to see everybody praying to make the list as the episodes come out.

Are YOU worthy of an invitiation? BEV'S CALL!!

[Gordy]

I am glad I am hot.

[Masaki]

Come over to house V, bev, and we can discuss my worthiness.

[Beverly]

OH MY FUCKIGNS FGOSH GROSSSSSS

I JUST HURLED

NOT CUZ IM BELEMICCCCCCC

[Summer]

Apologies to the RL person in the pic, but there's no way she belongs on a middle list. The Damon pic was undeniably hot, gotta admit. That's one solid jawline right there.

[Kate (Damon)]

I thought Damon was hot when I got assigned him. Spent a few minutes going "I look goooood."

[Johan]

damon said:

I thought Damon was hot when I got assigned him. Spent a few minutes going "I look goooood."

Someday I've got to play a girl character so I can say that about myself :/

[Kip]

Trey seems to forget Spies 2.

[spies1caro]

kip said:

Trey seems to forget Spies 2.

Well the situation with Tiffany is....

I don't know if Trey ever revealed this....

Tiffany was a real girl he and I knew. Used her pictures and name but elaborated on the personality (How is she btw? I haven't heard from her in ages.) So theoretically he could just stare at Tiff's pictures and go "dang she's hot" and then go up the girl herself and be like "dude, you... me.... behind the woodshed?" and likely get himself a date.

[Lloyd]

It may be by a technicality, but yay for being on the hot list.

And Bev, you need to make a hot list for the people who posted their RL pics.

[Beverly]

Summer was Middilian because she seemed classy. However, as the game progressed, total SUMMER DIET AKA FUGLY worthy.

Bev was smokin', btw.

[Martha]

beverly said:

Summer was Middilian because she seemed classy. However, as the game progressed, total SUMMER DIET AKA FUGLY worthy.

Bev was smokin', btw.

Did you know Summer was DC? Because I didn't have a frikkin' clue...

[Beverly]

I figured that Summer was DC just after Naomi was exiled.

[Lise]

Was it your compulsive lying then that kept assuring me that DC was Adelaide?

[Beverly]

You're stupid if you believed me.

[Candy]

I don't know you and even I can tell you're pulling a Martha-Man. Oh I know this. I knew that for sure. I totally knew about this and everything else that went in the game I just never said it in print.

[Beverly]

Are you on drugs? You're more like "Martha-Man" more than anybody else!

[Summer]

LOL Blake, sorry, but you did think I was Adelaide.

[Beverly]

You know what Candy? That post really pissed me off. I'm one of David (Martha)'s hugest critics on her attitude towards game knowledge, and for you to say that was plain rude as hell.

I'll be the first to admit (on many, many occasions) that when I have an opinion or an idea, it's hard to make me think it's wrong. DC can tell you that first hand. I always think I'm right. Why have an opinion if you think it's wrong? I'm stubborn in that aspect; absolutely. But what David/Martha does (no offense, please) is state how the game went from a completely absurd view. People who were exiled first were the best citizens ever because they weren't around long enough to make mistakes, and people who were strategic idols in games were the worst because they made mistakes in his view most of the time. He makes his opinions based on what he's seen and who he feels treated him in a mannor he disliked. That bugs me, but hey, that's what is so charming about David. There's no one else in the world like him; spies would be pretty dull without his spin on things.

I never (well, at least try to never) make my assumptions on how the game went, who was the best in each aspects, etc. based on how I saw it only. I like to talk to people, see their sides of things, and read confessionals and even some conversations. The last thing I want is a false impression. You know what, yes, I did know some things. Unlike David, I did not NAIL this and NAIL that immediately (which we all know is untrue, but let him have his fun). I made predictions, some correct, some wrong, and then I changed my mind, some to correct, some back to wrong. I have nothing to prove to anyone; I know what I did and didn't accomplish, and to me, if I'm satisfied, then that's all the high I need (no I'm not a druggy, lol).

However, as you can see, I'm very protective of how I'm perceived. My characters in the past and present have been completely off who I am outside of character, and I don't want that to reflect how you perceive me. I'm not an arrogant person at all, I'm extremely humble (although DC would never agree, you bitch!). Do these traits about me show online? Absolutely not. Do I try to show them, sure, but I don't have to prove anything, if that makes sense.

Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda I'm not Martha let's be friends. I get it if you're mad about me thinking without your role you wouldn't be nearly as successful as you are, but it wasn't a blind accusation either. I went through that idea that I had felt, and many I've spoken to agree with me. That doesn't make you a bad player; you showed that you're very capable. But perhaps you're best with a role because you feed off that adrenalin and convert it into a strive to succeed. Does this mean without a role you would have done terrible? I don't think you would have made it nearly as far, but hell, it sure is hell is possible that you could have surprised me. We all know you're full of surprises.

So please do not judge me, especially if it's because I don't think you were the best player of Spies4. Fair enough? KISSES FOR BEV CANDYLICIOUS!!!

[Leon]

<-- Hot.

[Kip]

<-- Hot.

[Masaki]

<-- Creepy

[Johan]

<-- Awesome

[Johan]

spies1caro said:

kip said:

Trey seems to forget Spies 2.

Well the situation with Tiffany is....

I don't know if Trey ever revealed this....

Tiffany was a real girl he and I knew. Used her pictures and name but elaborated on the personality (How is she btw? I haven't heard from her in ages.) So theoretically he could just stare at Tiff's pictures and go "dang she's hot" and then go up the girl herself and be like "dude, you... me.... behind the woodshed?" and likely get himself a date.

Jamie lives!!!!!
And yeah Tiffany was a real girl, so it's a little different (She was fine the last time I talked to her, which was a while ago, I try to avoid that these days ;D)

[Martha]

beverly said:

You know what Candy? That post really pissed me off. I'm one of David (Martha)'s hugest critics on her attitude towards game knowledge, and for you to say that was plain rude as hell.

I'll be the first to admit (on many, many occasions) that when I have an opinion or an idea, it's hard to make me think it's wrong. DC can tell you that first hand. I always think I'm right. Why have an opinion if you think it's wrong? I'm stubborn in that aspect; absolutely. But what David/Martha does (no offense, please) is state how the game went from a completely absurd view. People who were exiled first were the best citizens ever because they weren't around long enough to make mistakes, and people who were strategic idols in games were the worst because they made mistakes in his view most of the time. He makes his opinions based on what he's seen and who he feels treated him in a mannor he disliked. That bugs me, but hey, that's what is so charming about David. There's no one else in the world like him; spies would be pretty dull without his spin on things.

I never (well, at least try to never) make my assumptions on how the game went, who was the best in each aspects, etc. based on how I saw it only. I like to talk to people, see their sides of things, and read confessionals and even some conversations. The last thing I want is a false impression. You know what, yes, I did know some things. Unlike David, I did not NAIL this and NAIL that immediately (which we all know is untrue, but let him have his fun). I made predictions, some correct, some wrong, and then I changed my mind, some to correct, some back to wrong. I have nothing to prove to anyone; I know what I did and didn't accomplish, and to me, if I'm satisfied, then that's all the high I need (no I'm not a druggy, lol).

However, as you can see, I'm very protective of how I'm perceived. My characters in the past and present have been completely off who I am outside of character, and I don't want that to reflect how you perceive me. I'm not an arrogant person at all, I'm extremely humble (although DC would never agree, you bitch!). Do these traits about me show online? Absolutely not. Do I try to show them, sure, but I don't have to prove anything, if that makes sense.

Blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda I'm not Martha let's be friends. I get it if you're mad about me thinking without your role you wouldn't be nearly as successful as you are, but it wasn't a blind accusation either. I went through that idea that I had felt, and many I've spoken to agree with me. That doesn't make you a bad player; you showed that you're very capable. But perhaps you're best with a role because you feed off that adrenalin and convert it into a strive to succeed. Does this mean without a role you would have done terrible? I don't think you would have made it nearly as far, but hell, it sure is hell is possible that you could have surprised me. We all know you're full of surprises.

So please do not judge me, especially if it's because I don't think you were the best player of Spies4. Fair enough? KISSES FOR BEV CANDYLICIOUS!!!

Everybody's entitled to their opinion, Blake, the difference between me and most is that I post mine, sometimes at huge and unnecessary length. And I don't edit it afterwards except occasionally for grammar right after I've posted (not that I'm saying you do, I'm just stating a fact here). Everybody can see exactly what I was thinking after the game is up. If you want to take issue with a particular opinion, fine; I wouldn't post it if I didn't expect people to comment on it afterwards.

That said, it's both hypocritical and condescending to say my point of view is "absurd" when essentially you were attacking me not so long ago for stating an opinion about your gameplay in Spies 2, an opinion I feel is backed up by all the evidence I've seen from conversations and confessionals in that game. That despite the fact that I've often and repeatedly said that we would have had a far better chance to win Spies 3 if Judith hadn't been exiled, and that Gindi was one of the best citizens in Spies 1, quite possibly one of the best ever. I don't see you taking issue with my positive comments about you, only my negative ones. And frankly I don't see many other people caring about what I say about them. Which is fine because at the end of the day MY OPINION IS MY OPINION. However I phrase it - and I'm not going to put "I think" in front of every sentence just to look less "arrogant" - everybody's free to agree or disagree.

As to how much I "nailed", again, my unedited comments are there in the Loser's Lounge and in my confessionals. I got a lot right and a lot wrong. I suspected Singe and Leon too much, I didn't suspect Bev at all, I backed off Naomi, I backed off Angelica, and to a certain extent I backed off Faizah. I was never 100% sure of a spy. I made plenty of suspect lists - judge for yourself when they appear. But on two comments of yours:

"People who were exiled first were the best citizens ever because they weren't around long enough to make mistakes"

This can only apply to Judith or Sage. Sage was awesome when he was in the game but I've never said he was the "best" player. As for Judith - you wanted Bebe gone, you wanted Raphael gone, and from your confessionals it looked like you were starting to be sold on Jessica. Unlike most of the (few) citizens in that game who got it right - and I'm the first to admit I wasn't one of them for the most part - you had the strategic nouse and aggression to do something about it. In other words, you had the support, the aggressiveness and the judgement to have been able to get a spy out if I, prompted by a spy (Tenchi), hadn't ruined it for you. Maybe calling you the "best" player is a stretch but I still think you were the biggest threat to the spies in that game. That's why they wanted you out.

"People who were strategic idols in games were the worst because they made mistakes in his view most of the time. "

No, people who drive the citizens apart are the worst. It's got nothing to do with strategy, except in the sense that in the long term causing conflict between citizens is generally poor strategy in itself. And plainly our opinion on what constitutes a "strategic idol" is VERY different.

But again, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. We've posted what we've thought, and we've disagreed. I have no problem with that. Despite all the bandwagonning evidence to the contrary, I generally find that people have minds of their own and can decide what they think is right themselves.

[Beverly]

I disagree that Gindi was a good citizen.

I disagree that Jenna was a bad citizen.

I agree that Judith was right most of the time.

I disagree that Judith was helpful.

I disagree that Beverly was a terrible spy.

There.

[Singe]

No, people who drive the citizens apart are the worst.

This is kind of a bizarre, meaningless statement. I believe that in every game, spies have gotten very close to influential cits, and it's a huge priority to break up those "alliances" and make the cit question whether they're right or not about their beloved Spyfriend. How do you know whether you're breaking up two Cits or a Spy and a Cit? You don't, but the process of TRYING to break them up is incredibly informational.

For example, I saw that Candy and Zander had an irrational trust going. I tried to convince both of them that they needed to reevaluate. Candy stepped back and reevaluated. Zander continued to hug Candy tight. That should tell you something about whether their trust is reason-based or need-based.

So yeah, in my opinion, breaking up groups of people, or at least putting severe stress on their relationships, is what Spyhunting is all about.

[Martha]

singe said:

No, people who drive the citizens apart are the worst.

This is kind of a bizarre, meaningless statement. I believe that in every game, spies have gotten very close to influential cits, and it's a huge priority to break up those "alliances" and make the cit question whether they're right or not about their beloved Spyfriend. How do you know whether you're breaking up two Cits or a Spy and a Cit? You don't, but the process of TRYING to break them up is incredibly informational.

For example, I saw that Candy and Zander had an irrational trust going. I tried to convince both of them that they needed to reevaluate. Candy stepped back and reevaluated. Zander continued to hug Candy tight. That should tell you something about whether their trust is reason-based or need-based.

So yeah, in my opinion, breaking up groups of people, or at least putting severe stress on their relationships, is what Spyhunting is all about.

Actually I'd agree with that - especially with groups that spies have infiltrated. But if there are genuine citizen groups out there that haven't been infected with spies (and there were in Spies 1 and Spies 2), you don't want to drive a rift into them. Spies 1 was all about citizen trust groups - at the end I don't think there was a citizen who wasn't in one. (Except perhaps Frank.) And there was a little clique called the EVIL MUTANT PANCAKES in Spies 2... I'm still pissed I never got an invite into that one.

[Beverly]

MEP... worst alliance ever! All they did was target people they didn't like, including confirmed citizens by SAM. Basically.