Post by Hannah on Oct 8, 2007 8:26:48 GMT -5
well i chatted with kip:
(2:08:12 PM) spies4hannah: hi, u are up early
(2:08:29 PM) spies4kip: Not exactly...
(2:08:39 PM) spies4kip: I don't live in American timezone.
(2:08:46 PM) spies4hannah: oh okay, where do u live?
(2:08:55 PM) spies4kip: India.
(2:09:29 PM) spies4kip: What do you think of the lynch the inactives part?
(2:09:55 PM) spies4hannah: um, i think we need to give it a bit more time before determining who is inactive
(2:10:08 PM) spies4kip: Yes
(2:10:10 PM) spies4kip: I know...
(2:10:16 PM) spies4kip: But, i meant the general principle
(2:10:24 PM) spies4hannah: also, i think that if people ARE inactive, they are not really as much of a threat as the active spies
(2:10:25 PM) spies4kip: Which the majority seems to support at the moment
(2:10:34 PM) spies4kip: Yes
(2:10:35 PM) spies4hannah: so i am not sure i agree
(2:10:55 PM) spies4hannah: my cat was sick so i missed the live opening
(2:10:59 PM) spies4kip: However, inactive people can be purposefully inactive on the other hand
(2:11:07 PM) spies4kip: I was sleeping through the live opening
(2:11:12 PM) spies4hannah: oh...
(2:11:19 PM) spies4kip: But, I managed to talk to a lot of people before that
(2:11:30 PM) spies4kip: That was before we got the roles
(2:11:45 PM) spies4hannah: but if someone is being purposefully inactive then would they still be a threat?
(2:12:07 PM) spies4kip: Because, the spies don't need discussions
(2:12:31 PM) spies4kip: See, it is a myth that spies win by spreading misinformation
(2:12:33 PM) spies4kip: They don't
(2:12:40 PM) spies4kip: They win by not giving any information at all
(2:12:55 PM) spies4kip: So, in an ideal world, only spies should be inactive and all citizens should be active
(2:13:00 PM) spies4kip: hOwever, this almost never happens
(2:13:08 PM) spies4hannah: what kind of misinformation would they be giving exactly? mostly just that other ppl are suspicious
(2:13:30 PM) spies4hannah: i think that some of the ppl who have been talking alot are quite suspicious
(2:13:52 PM) spies4kip: Why do you think they are suspicious?
(2:14:33 PM) spies4hannah: well, talking too much and drawing attention to other ppl
(2:15:14 PM) spies4hannah: especially those who are already accusing and fighting with others
(2:15:23 PM) spies4kip: Yeah...
(2:15:34 PM) spies4kip: But, that provides a good opportunity to start the game
(2:15:42 PM) spies4hannah: yes i suppose so
(2:15:51 PM) spies4kip: Because if you don't accuse anyone, then the game doesn't actually start
(2:16:19 PM) spies4hannah: hmmm, yes
(2:16:24 PM) spies4hannah: that is tru i suppose
(2:16:44 PM) spies4hannah: so whos family are u in?
(2:16:48 PM) spies4kip: Also, ALL the people talking right now can't be spies
(2:16:54 PM) spies4kip: Not decided yet...
(2:17:13 PM) spies4kip: I'd rather it was randomized for me
(2:17:43 PM) spies4hannah: really?
(2:17:44 PM) spies4hannah: why?
(2:17:48 PM) spies4kip: Why not?
(2:18:08 PM) spies4hannah: well choosing means u can pick ppl who are similar to u
(2:18:25 PM) spies4hannah: randomising means u mite be stuck with someone u really want to vote out, but cant
(2:18:40 PM) spies4kip: I don't want to vote out anyone particular at the moment
(2:19:27 PM) spies4hannah: and do u foresee any clashes with particualr ppl tho?
(2:19:30 PM) spies4kip: BTW, don't leak my location around. I know there are a few people around who I know from other sites and might recognise who I really am if they get to know my location
(2:19:52 PM) spies4kip: Not at the moment
(2:19:55 PM) spies4kip: Difficult to say
(2:20:08 PM) spies4kip: Because it is just yesterday that the game actually starte
(2:20:15 PM) spies4kip: started*
(2:20:22 PM) spies4kip: I am not used to play it this fast
(2:20:28 PM) spies4kip: Well...
(2:20:37 PM) spies4kip: I don't think the game IS going as fast as people seem to think
(2:20:40 PM) spies4hannah: i can assure u i will not leak ur location
(2:20:58 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:21:22 PM) spies4kip: I think I already recognise a few of those people
(2:21:32 PM) spies4kip: I need to guess their allignment correctly
(2:21:42 PM) spies4kip: If they are spies, I'll just accuse them
(2:21:48 PM) spies4hannah: u do? from where? u mean sites like myspace or the like?
(2:21:56 PM) spies4kip: MafiaScum
(2:22:11 PM) spies4kip: www.mafiascum.net
(2:22:50 PM) spies4hannah: oh. dont recognise that website
(2:23:11 PM) spies4kip: It's the no 1 place to play Mafia
(2:23:19 PM) spies4kip: Which is what Spies is basically based on
(2:23:30 PM) spies4hannah: yeah i play a lot of online mafia, but not there
(2:24:37 PM) spies4kip: Try playing there
(2:24:45 PM) spies4kip: Which sites do you play on?
(2:25:00 PM) spies4kip: mafiascum is supposed to be the biggest one of them all...
(2:25:01 PM) spies4hannah: facebook mafia, but dont tell others my location either pls
(2:25:16 PM) spies4kip: Ah... ok
(2:25:16 PM) spies4kip: I tried facebook mafia once
(2:25:21 PM) spies4kip: not particularly fond of it
(2:25:46 PM) spies4hannah: really? i like it
(2:26:00 PM) spies4kip: The thing is...
(2:26:07 PM) spies4kip: That people no lynch a lot
(2:26:16 PM) spies4kip: And, depend on the cop to nail the scum
(2:26:37 PM) spies4kip: And, it leaves out the opportunity to make funny claims
(2:27:02 PM) spies4hannah: true, bu since advanced games have been added ppl tend to rely less on the cop
(2:30:24 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:30:32 PM) spies4kip: I'm yet to see the more advance games
(2:31:01 PM) spies4hannah: yes it changes the aspect bit
(2:31:13 PM) spies4hannah: because being completely role reliant can be annoying
(2:33:21 PM) spies4kip: And, are all the roles known?
(2:33:33 PM) spies4kip: Or do you have a closed game too?
(2:34:05 PM) spies4hannah: how do u mean?
(2:34:15 PM) spies4kip: You know...
(2:34:24 PM) spies4kip: In an open game, you know which roles are present in the game
(2:34:35 PM) spies4kip: in a closed game, you don't know which roles are present before hand
(2:34:46 PM) spies4hannah: oh, no its an open game
(2:34:53 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:38:46 PM) spies4hannah: so how many spies do u think there are?
(2:39:12 PM) spies4kip: I don't know how Sam balances the game
(2:39:22 PM) spies4kip: But I would expect about 4-5
(2:39:28 PM) spies4kip: In a 29 player game
(2:44:16 PM) spies4kip: What do you think of Gordy's post on the "I know it hasn't been done before but..." thread?
(2:44:48 PM) spies4hannah: let me go have a look at it
(2:47:50 PM) spies4hannah: it seems as tho he was leading the conversation towards voting inactives, as sherri didnt actually say that...
(2:48:26 PM) spies4kip: Wait... yes, she did not say that!
(2:48:29 PM) spies4kip: I missed that point
(2:48:43 PM) spies4kip: I think we have our first spy there
(2:49:04 PM) spies4hannah: well i defintely suspect him now
(2:49:20 PM) spies4hannah: because he definitely was leading the conversation
(2:49:27 PM) spies4hannah: away from voting actives, which he is....
(2:49:46 PM) spies4kip: I did not like the entire post
(2:49:56 PM) spies4kip: The answer to first line is obvious
(2:50:03 PM) spies4kip: People WERE suggesting it
(2:50:11 PM) spies4kip: So, that makes first line filler line
(2:50:14 PM) spies4hannah: yes
(2:50:25 PM) spies4hannah: unless he really just interpreted it tha way
(2:50:26 PM) spies4kip: Second line, he tries to put words in Sherri's mouth
(2:50:31 PM) spies4hannah: *that way
(2:50:56 PM) spies4kip: And, goes on about inactives being "rewarded" for their inactivity for not being eliminated
(2:51:00 PM) spies4kip: Which is pure bad
(2:51:03 PM) spies4hannah: to be honest sherri said something that rang alarm bells to me too...
(2:51:06 PM) spies4hannah: hang on i'[ll get it
(2:51:10 PM) spies4kip: and then the comment about double edged sword
(2:51:17 PM) spies4kip: Which I do not like
(2:54:06 PM) spies4hannah: (2:36:29 PM) spies4Sherri: Well who have you met so far hon?
(2:36:51 PM) spies4hannah: i am afraid only Kip, the pianist
(2:36:58 PM) spies4hannah: but i have read up on everyone
(2:37:04 PM) spies4Sherri: Well he seems to be a good person :-)
(2:37:14 PM) spies4hannah: not hugely talkative tho...
(2:37:43 PM) spies4Sherri: Awww :-(
(2:37:52 PM) spies4Sherri: Well, can I give you a tip? ;-)
(2:37:57 PM) spies4hannah: yeah sure?
(2:38:11 PM) spies4Sherri: Give him some opinion on who you think the Spies may be. :-)
(2:38:36 PM) spies4hannah: oh of course, yes, thats a good way to boost a conversation
(2:38:56 PM) spies4Sherri: We need it Hannah. :-)
(2:39:07 PM) spies4Sherri: If you're a Cit, you would do this to help us win.
(2:39:11 PM) spies4Sherri: And you know we need each other to win. :-)
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(2:54:27 PM) spies4hannah: okay the convo is oo long to post
(2:54:31 PM) spies4hannah: *too
(2:54:46 PM) spies4kip: wait...
(2:54:56 PM) spies4kip: don't post the part on Gordy just yet
(2:55:10 PM) spies4kip: I want to observe him some more
(2:55:12 PM) spies4hannah: no i mean Sherri and mine convo
(2:55:25 PM) spies4hannah: that makes her seem suspicious
(2:55:39 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:55:41 PM) spies4hannah: basically it was like her trying to nicely tell me what to do....
(2:55:53 PM) spies4kip: what is she saying you should do?
(2:56:02 PM) spies4hannah: (2:38:11 PM) spies4Sherri: Give him some opinion on who you think the Spies may be. :-)
(2:38:36 PM) spies4hannah: oh of course, yes, thats a good way to boost a conversation
(2:38:56 PM) spies4Sherri: We need it Hannah. :-)
(2:39:07 PM) spies4Sherri: If you're a Cit, you would do this to help us win.
(2:39:11 PM) spies4Sherri: And you know we need each other to win. :-)
(2:56:15 PM) spies4hannah: okay i shortened it
(2:56:30 PM) spies4hannah: its just the last three lines of her post really that seemd a bit odd
(2:56:53 PM) spies4kip: hmm...
(3:00:48 PM) spies4hannah: what do u think?
(3:01:29 PM) spies4kip: The convo doesn't seem to make sense
(2:08:12 PM) spies4hannah: hi, u are up early
(2:08:29 PM) spies4kip: Not exactly...
(2:08:39 PM) spies4kip: I don't live in American timezone.
(2:08:46 PM) spies4hannah: oh okay, where do u live?
(2:08:55 PM) spies4kip: India.
(2:09:29 PM) spies4kip: What do you think of the lynch the inactives part?
(2:09:55 PM) spies4hannah: um, i think we need to give it a bit more time before determining who is inactive
(2:10:08 PM) spies4kip: Yes
(2:10:10 PM) spies4kip: I know...
(2:10:16 PM) spies4kip: But, i meant the general principle
(2:10:24 PM) spies4hannah: also, i think that if people ARE inactive, they are not really as much of a threat as the active spies
(2:10:25 PM) spies4kip: Which the majority seems to support at the moment
(2:10:34 PM) spies4kip: Yes
(2:10:35 PM) spies4hannah: so i am not sure i agree
(2:10:55 PM) spies4hannah: my cat was sick so i missed the live opening
(2:10:59 PM) spies4kip: However, inactive people can be purposefully inactive on the other hand
(2:11:07 PM) spies4kip: I was sleeping through the live opening
(2:11:12 PM) spies4hannah: oh...
(2:11:19 PM) spies4kip: But, I managed to talk to a lot of people before that
(2:11:30 PM) spies4kip: That was before we got the roles
(2:11:45 PM) spies4hannah: but if someone is being purposefully inactive then would they still be a threat?
(2:12:07 PM) spies4kip: Because, the spies don't need discussions
(2:12:31 PM) spies4kip: See, it is a myth that spies win by spreading misinformation
(2:12:33 PM) spies4kip: They don't
(2:12:40 PM) spies4kip: They win by not giving any information at all
(2:12:55 PM) spies4kip: So, in an ideal world, only spies should be inactive and all citizens should be active
(2:13:00 PM) spies4kip: hOwever, this almost never happens
(2:13:08 PM) spies4hannah: what kind of misinformation would they be giving exactly? mostly just that other ppl are suspicious
(2:13:30 PM) spies4hannah: i think that some of the ppl who have been talking alot are quite suspicious
(2:13:52 PM) spies4kip: Why do you think they are suspicious?
(2:14:33 PM) spies4hannah: well, talking too much and drawing attention to other ppl
(2:15:14 PM) spies4hannah: especially those who are already accusing and fighting with others
(2:15:23 PM) spies4kip: Yeah...
(2:15:34 PM) spies4kip: But, that provides a good opportunity to start the game
(2:15:42 PM) spies4hannah: yes i suppose so
(2:15:51 PM) spies4kip: Because if you don't accuse anyone, then the game doesn't actually start
(2:16:19 PM) spies4hannah: hmmm, yes
(2:16:24 PM) spies4hannah: that is tru i suppose
(2:16:44 PM) spies4hannah: so whos family are u in?
(2:16:48 PM) spies4kip: Also, ALL the people talking right now can't be spies
(2:16:54 PM) spies4kip: Not decided yet...
(2:17:13 PM) spies4kip: I'd rather it was randomized for me
(2:17:43 PM) spies4hannah: really?
(2:17:44 PM) spies4hannah: why?
(2:17:48 PM) spies4kip: Why not?
(2:18:08 PM) spies4hannah: well choosing means u can pick ppl who are similar to u
(2:18:25 PM) spies4hannah: randomising means u mite be stuck with someone u really want to vote out, but cant
(2:18:40 PM) spies4kip: I don't want to vote out anyone particular at the moment
(2:19:27 PM) spies4hannah: and do u foresee any clashes with particualr ppl tho?
(2:19:30 PM) spies4kip: BTW, don't leak my location around. I know there are a few people around who I know from other sites and might recognise who I really am if they get to know my location
(2:19:52 PM) spies4kip: Not at the moment
(2:19:55 PM) spies4kip: Difficult to say
(2:20:08 PM) spies4kip: Because it is just yesterday that the game actually starte
(2:20:15 PM) spies4kip: started*
(2:20:22 PM) spies4kip: I am not used to play it this fast
(2:20:28 PM) spies4kip: Well...
(2:20:37 PM) spies4kip: I don't think the game IS going as fast as people seem to think
(2:20:40 PM) spies4hannah: i can assure u i will not leak ur location
(2:20:58 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:21:22 PM) spies4kip: I think I already recognise a few of those people
(2:21:32 PM) spies4kip: I need to guess their allignment correctly
(2:21:42 PM) spies4kip: If they are spies, I'll just accuse them
(2:21:48 PM) spies4hannah: u do? from where? u mean sites like myspace or the like?
(2:21:56 PM) spies4kip: MafiaScum
(2:22:11 PM) spies4kip: www.mafiascum.net
(2:22:50 PM) spies4hannah: oh. dont recognise that website
(2:23:11 PM) spies4kip: It's the no 1 place to play Mafia
(2:23:19 PM) spies4kip: Which is what Spies is basically based on
(2:23:30 PM) spies4hannah: yeah i play a lot of online mafia, but not there
(2:24:37 PM) spies4kip: Try playing there
(2:24:45 PM) spies4kip: Which sites do you play on?
(2:25:00 PM) spies4kip: mafiascum is supposed to be the biggest one of them all...
(2:25:01 PM) spies4hannah: facebook mafia, but dont tell others my location either pls
(2:25:16 PM) spies4kip: Ah... ok
(2:25:16 PM) spies4kip: I tried facebook mafia once
(2:25:21 PM) spies4kip: not particularly fond of it
(2:25:46 PM) spies4hannah: really? i like it
(2:26:00 PM) spies4kip: The thing is...
(2:26:07 PM) spies4kip: That people no lynch a lot
(2:26:16 PM) spies4kip: And, depend on the cop to nail the scum
(2:26:37 PM) spies4kip: And, it leaves out the opportunity to make funny claims
(2:27:02 PM) spies4hannah: true, bu since advanced games have been added ppl tend to rely less on the cop
(2:30:24 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:30:32 PM) spies4kip: I'm yet to see the more advance games
(2:31:01 PM) spies4hannah: yes it changes the aspect bit
(2:31:13 PM) spies4hannah: because being completely role reliant can be annoying
(2:33:21 PM) spies4kip: And, are all the roles known?
(2:33:33 PM) spies4kip: Or do you have a closed game too?
(2:34:05 PM) spies4hannah: how do u mean?
(2:34:15 PM) spies4kip: You know...
(2:34:24 PM) spies4kip: In an open game, you know which roles are present in the game
(2:34:35 PM) spies4kip: in a closed game, you don't know which roles are present before hand
(2:34:46 PM) spies4hannah: oh, no its an open game
(2:34:53 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:38:46 PM) spies4hannah: so how many spies do u think there are?
(2:39:12 PM) spies4kip: I don't know how Sam balances the game
(2:39:22 PM) spies4kip: But I would expect about 4-5
(2:39:28 PM) spies4kip: In a 29 player game
(2:44:16 PM) spies4kip: What do you think of Gordy's post on the "I know it hasn't been done before but..." thread?
(2:44:48 PM) spies4hannah: let me go have a look at it
(2:47:50 PM) spies4hannah: it seems as tho he was leading the conversation towards voting inactives, as sherri didnt actually say that...
(2:48:26 PM) spies4kip: Wait... yes, she did not say that!
(2:48:29 PM) spies4kip: I missed that point
(2:48:43 PM) spies4kip: I think we have our first spy there
(2:49:04 PM) spies4hannah: well i defintely suspect him now
(2:49:20 PM) spies4hannah: because he definitely was leading the conversation
(2:49:27 PM) spies4hannah: away from voting actives, which he is....
(2:49:46 PM) spies4kip: I did not like the entire post
(2:49:56 PM) spies4kip: The answer to first line is obvious
(2:50:03 PM) spies4kip: People WERE suggesting it
(2:50:11 PM) spies4kip: So, that makes first line filler line
(2:50:14 PM) spies4hannah: yes
(2:50:25 PM) spies4hannah: unless he really just interpreted it tha way
(2:50:26 PM) spies4kip: Second line, he tries to put words in Sherri's mouth
(2:50:31 PM) spies4hannah: *that way
(2:50:56 PM) spies4kip: And, goes on about inactives being "rewarded" for their inactivity for not being eliminated
(2:51:00 PM) spies4kip: Which is pure bad
(2:51:03 PM) spies4hannah: to be honest sherri said something that rang alarm bells to me too...
(2:51:06 PM) spies4hannah: hang on i'[ll get it
(2:51:10 PM) spies4kip: and then the comment about double edged sword
(2:51:17 PM) spies4kip: Which I do not like
(2:54:06 PM) spies4hannah: (2:36:29 PM) spies4Sherri: Well who have you met so far hon?
(2:36:51 PM) spies4hannah: i am afraid only Kip, the pianist
(2:36:58 PM) spies4hannah: but i have read up on everyone
(2:37:04 PM) spies4Sherri: Well he seems to be a good person :-)
(2:37:14 PM) spies4hannah: not hugely talkative tho...
(2:37:43 PM) spies4Sherri: Awww :-(
(2:37:52 PM) spies4Sherri: Well, can I give you a tip? ;-)
(2:37:57 PM) spies4hannah: yeah sure?
(2:38:11 PM) spies4Sherri: Give him some opinion on who you think the Spies may be. :-)
(2:38:36 PM) spies4hannah: oh of course, yes, thats a good way to boost a conversation
(2:38:56 PM) spies4Sherri: We need it Hannah. :-)
(2:39:07 PM) spies4Sherri: If you're a Cit, you would do this to help us win.
(2:39:11 PM) spies4Sherri: And you know we need each other to win. :-)
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(2:54:27 PM) spies4hannah: okay the convo is oo long to post
(2:54:31 PM) spies4hannah: *too
(2:54:46 PM) spies4kip: wait...
(2:54:56 PM) spies4kip: don't post the part on Gordy just yet
(2:55:10 PM) spies4kip: I want to observe him some more
(2:55:12 PM) spies4hannah: no i mean Sherri and mine convo
(2:55:25 PM) spies4hannah: that makes her seem suspicious
(2:55:39 PM) spies4kip: Ok
(2:55:41 PM) spies4hannah: basically it was like her trying to nicely tell me what to do....
(2:55:53 PM) spies4kip: what is she saying you should do?
(2:56:02 PM) spies4hannah: (2:38:11 PM) spies4Sherri: Give him some opinion on who you think the Spies may be. :-)
(2:38:36 PM) spies4hannah: oh of course, yes, thats a good way to boost a conversation
(2:38:56 PM) spies4Sherri: We need it Hannah. :-)
(2:39:07 PM) spies4Sherri: If you're a Cit, you would do this to help us win.
(2:39:11 PM) spies4Sherri: And you know we need each other to win. :-)
(2:56:15 PM) spies4hannah: okay i shortened it
(2:56:30 PM) spies4hannah: its just the last three lines of her post really that seemd a bit odd
(2:56:53 PM) spies4kip: hmm...
(3:00:48 PM) spies4hannah: what do u think?
(3:01:29 PM) spies4kip: The convo doesn't seem to make sense