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Post by Martha on Jan 8, 2008 13:33:33 GMT -5
F--K! I switched my second choice vote from Damon to Kip... Don't they say you should always go with your first instinct? I suck at this game. Nice job Ralph. And I will prevote RALPH as judge right now.
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Zander
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Post by Zander on Jan 8, 2008 13:45:48 GMT -5
I don't see a reason why Ralph shouldn't be elected Judge, so RalphJust do me a favor and don't make me Damon's lawyer lol
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Post by Zander on Jan 8, 2008 13:48:40 GMT -5
F--K! I switched my second choice vote from Damon to Kip... Don't they say you should always go with your first instinct? I suck at this game. Nice job Ralph. And I will prevote RALPH as judge right now. Yeah but your first instinct also said I was a wolf lol. If you had gone with your first instinct above all the other ones, I wouldn't be here right now. Besides I think if Damon was put up on the block he probably would have put up a strong defense and stuck around anyway, and would have avoided investigation. It's probably a good thing Kip went up anyway (We got rid of an inactive and caught a spy all on the same day)
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Post by Martha on Jan 8, 2008 13:58:15 GMT -5
OK, I'm going to post more after I know who's been imprisoned, but I think we should do everything possible to make sure that Damon's defence lawyer is the other mafia. I'll post my thoughts on that one after imprisonment.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 8, 2008 14:48:38 GMT -5
MARTHA PM ME WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IN CASE YOU ARE IMPRISONED PLEASE~
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Post by Martha on Jan 8, 2008 15:57:15 GMT -5
MARTHA PM ME WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY IN CASE YOU ARE IMPRISONED PLEASE~ I'M IMMUNE! I CAN'T BE IMPRISONED! I CAN'T PM YOU BECAUSE SAM WILL SEE WHAT I'M WRITING! LESS CAPS LOCK PLEASE!
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Post by Zander on Jan 8, 2008 16:03:01 GMT -5
lmao... Oh man I just laughed so hard.
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 8, 2008 16:11:28 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]DAWN[/glow]After sweet dreams about Candy and sunny dreams about Summer and BIG DREAMS ABOUT BEVERLY everyone awoke to a loud scream. "OMG!!11 L153 IS D3AD!!!!" said a very leet Martha. Thats right the Guilty claimed another Lise LEADERBOARD: Lloyd - QUIT DAY 2Kip - LYNCHED INNOCENT DAY 5Lise - KILLED INNOCENT NIGHT 5Remaining:Zander Singe Ralph Martha Damon Sam Please elect another Judge by 3PM CST Wednesday
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Post by Zander on Jan 8, 2008 16:20:42 GMT -5
Lise Just in case we have to vote after that statement, Ralph
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Post by Zander on Jan 8, 2008 16:23:32 GMT -5
Also, thoughts on Spypairings:
Singe & Damon Sam & Damon (I'm going with this one for the moment)
I know Singe has been above and beyond on my spydar for a while, but I think that Sam and Damon would make more likely spypartners at this point. I'm basically going to throw Martha completely out the window at this point, I don't see her being teamed with Damon (though it's possible but for a while they were the only two talking anything relevant about this game).
I severely doubt Ralph would out his own spy partner (though it is slightly curious that he wasn't killed), and I know I'm innocent, so that's what I'm looking at right now.
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Post by Singe on Jan 8, 2008 16:39:44 GMT -5
Ralph 4 lyfe
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Post by Ralph on Jan 8, 2008 17:01:59 GMT -5
sorry martha i am at work and we put all our parts information in caps lock i work at a car dealership i jsut didnt atke it off,,, i sowwy mother
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Post by Ralph on Jan 8, 2008 17:02:51 GMT -5
Sorry to see Lise go...
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Post by Martha on Jan 8, 2008 21:03:58 GMT -5
Yeah, that "survive two days after the first exile" thing really does get her down, doesn't it? Ralph - I was kidding. But you know that. OK, assuming Ralph isn't lying / suicidal, here's my immediate thoughts on his revelation. First off, here's what I said about Damon earlier on: He was in my top three suspects. That said, he's pointed fingers at me and Sam. While Sam could be a spy, it's an odd thing to do this early on, especially given what happened with the Traditionalists. I know I'm not mafia, so let's look at the evidence. NB - have replaced "Sherri" with "Damon". Ugh... One thing - If Zander did indeed make the same mistake as I did, thinking Kate was Sherri, then he's far less likely: 1) because it would be one hell of a strategy to forget his fellow mafia's name, and 2) because he indicated that Sherri was a prime suspect. Here's the problem. The four Kip votors are Martha (cit), Ralph (cit), Zander (likely cit) and Sam. The mafia chose not to imprison Ralph and chose, of all people, Lise. Well, at least it appears I was right about my two citizens on that list. If Zander isn't mafia, he was suspicious of Sherri (who I for one mistook for Damon, I think Zander did too, and he'd hardly mistake the name of his own spypartner unless it was an IMMENSELY clever spy plot - and after the whole Kip/Singe thing I'm done with people overthinking spy plots, thanks!) and Sam. Obviously the spies wouldn't want him to get the investigation if he was going to investigate Damon. The thing is, Zander didn't SAY Damon - he said Sherri. Ralph looked suspicious for defending Zander, which is a good reason to keep him around. Lise didn't look suspicious at all. But what if there was more to it? What if the spies were worried about Zander investigating one of them? They MIGHT have been worried about Damon, sure. But they had a lot more reason to be worried about Sam. Next point: the obvious mafia move is for one person and only one person to vote Kip. Damon stayed under the radar, Sam agreed with Ralph and voted Kip off (in a way that would make Zander look guilty if Sam were to be exiled later on). Third point: I surmised that because Damon was targeting the vocal ones, if he was a spy then his partner would most likely be fairly UTR. In spite of his OTT Judge push, Sam has been that quiet. Incidental point: if I had to choose who Adelaide would have picked as the mafia, it would have been Sam (because everybody picks Sam as mafia / Mole / wolf anyway - Jeremiah did in the first minigame Sam was in, remember?) and either Damon or Lise (some UTR citizen who hasn't been mafia yet). Weird... MAJOR POINT AGAINST THIS THEORY: Damon suggested that both Sam and I were targets. While I appreciate that spies accuse each other, Damon would have seen how badly that worked out for the Traditionalists. Would he be that obvious? Sam, also, knows what works and what doesn't work spy-wise. A few of his actions have seemed spyish to me. Now I have a pretty good read on Sam (I was the only person to identify him as the Mole early on in OMC4, where he did a phenomenal job BTW) and that might be influencing my judgement here. It does seem as though he's made the kind of mistakes that he'd know better than anybody else to avoid. Nonetheless, I'd like to see what everyone else thinks about the Sam theory. (Zander obviously agrees.) If I'm right, I owe the Zand man some major apologies here. If he could only have got his names right he'd have pegged both mafia in the first round. Oh well, c'est la vie...
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Post by Martha on Jan 8, 2008 21:07:12 GMT -5
Oh, and I vote RALPH as Judge. Again. Just to make sure it counts. Not because it keeps him safe (eliminated cits win, remember?) but because I think he's earnt it.
My advice, assuming the second prize is also an investigation or citizen power:
- Vote up the second most obvious citizen with Damon - whoever you think that is. - Make that person's defence lawyer the most likely citizen - whoever you think that is. - Put the most likely mafia candidate as Damon's defence lawyer - whoever you think that is.
That way, the likelihood is that a citizen gets the next investigation whatever happens. If the person who defends Damon's co-suspect gets imprisoned, the next most likely citizen gets the investigation instead.
DON'T vote up another likely mafia candidate against Damon. Don't forget that if the successful defence lawyer gets imprisoned, the person who he defended gets the investigation instead. It's vital that since Damon is a confirned mafia (unless Ralph is lying, in which case both he and we are screwed anyway) neither the person put up against him or their defence lawyer is mafia.
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Post by Lise on Jan 8, 2008 21:42:40 GMT -5
Interesting choice Mafia. I guess all of these games find me so threatening.
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Post by Zander on Jan 8, 2008 22:07:55 GMT -5
I don't think I got Sherri confused with Damon, per se, but going back through everything I said, it could have also applied largely to Lise or Damon. Since Sherri's name was fresh in my mind and I saw her posting more OT than the others, she was the one that really struck me, but if I had known she wasn't in the game, I probably would have suspected someone like Lise in her place. Now that Lise is gone, Damon is basically the next one down the line.
I think both mafia would be playing different types of game and Sam has been doing a great job of laying fairly low and not really offering up too many opinions to the game, while Damon spoke a good deal about strategy and analysis early on and that has been his stronger point, though he didn't vote (I'm sure there are extenuating reasons so I won't hold that against him). So they really are playing from two sides of the field, and that seems suspicious to me.
I name the possibility of Damon + Singe because they are also playing two different types of games, and besides Sam, Singe is my only other suspect at this point and I won't rule him out.
Not like I have much of a say but I'm going to ask to be nominated against Damon, or have Martha nominated against Damon and allow me to serve as her lawyer. I'm sure I'm not the most trusted citizen left, but I really don't want to be Damon's lawyer and lose that "Judge = Safe from Imprisonment" power if I'm elected, and since I wouldn't want my other top suspects (Sam + Singe) to win an investigation, I think Martha or myself can be the most trusted with it (In the event that whomever the lawyer is, is killed before they can go public with the investigation result).
So I would just ask that some combination of her and I are on the same side of the trial. Like I said you don't have to take this recommendation but I know I would (and probably Martha) feel the most comfortable in being able to pull off a win from this setup.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jan 8, 2008 23:11:57 GMT -5
Okay time for a long series of posts! I've been really busy lately plus I didn't want to make any concrete statements during nighttime so I don't give a reason for Damon/Spy#2 to kill me. Actually, though I love the posts during night, am a little suspicious of people who would make bold statements like that during nighttime because as a citizen that's scary.
First, I'll vote for Ralph for Judge. I think Damon is a Spy and think we should vote her/him off next.
Now I'm going to look back at the last few pages and add thoughts.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 8, 2008 23:58:48 GMT -5
looking forward to youre thoughts sam...and my night posts.....i just was so excited i did something good i am makig steps up form last games and its making me HAPYY LOL
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Post by Judge Sam on Jan 9, 2008 0:34:19 GMT -5
Martha Zander Singe are my remaining suspects. I'm taking a leap of faith on Ralph. Thankfully all three of you have posted way too many words so hopefully I can glean something! vote: Sam primarily for strategic purposes, secondarily because I like him I don't want the responsibility. I'll support anyone who bakes me brownies. The brownies got burnt in the oven so I'm giving you brownie points instead! Also please note that 2 out of the 3 people who didn't vote for me as Judge are no longer with us... better get a padlock for that door Martha. Even this early, SOMEBODY must have a definite idea. Hmm... no, I frequently don't have definite ideas even at the end of Mafia games, let alone a half-day into them. Alright.. the way I see it I can't get much of a read yet since there haven't been a lot of posts. The two people who, obviously, stood out so far are you (Martha) and Sam for both wanting to be Judge. The way I see it this could be a method for one of the scum to play the 'over the top' role and I've seen it done before so it obviously makes me think FoS. Damon really suspected Martha. So maybe it's not Martha. Martha keeps saying Zander is acting "UTR" at the start of the game... and I don't see that at all. Don't know where that's coming from, Zander was posting more than me at the start at least. jesus this is so looooong haha.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jan 9, 2008 0:51:56 GMT -5
In the Zander VS. Singe arguments on Page 4, I'm leaning towards Zander for the winner of that debate. I am also worried about Martha's avoiding of the question. It's hard that we have so few votes... after this Damon vote we're at the final four right? That's the last chance to vote? With everyone voting Kip, there goes the voting evidence. =( Oh wait, if Ralph is lying and we Damon is innocent we lose right? That's silly, 3 chances to catch 2 mafia? I'm blaming the # of people if that happens not my analysis lol. Sherri isn't playing, and if Zander recommended his partner... I don't think he's that dumb lol. Okay for those reasons and my general feelings I am declaring Zander a not-Spy. That means it's either Martha or Singe. I say we eliminate one next time, or, should the Spy be so kind, they could night kill one of those two and make my decision that much easier! Well, no offense to anyone, but this isn't like the Olympics of mafia playing or something haha. I'm playing to have fun and enjoy myself. Even if I was a Spy I wouldn't dedicate 100 hours to crafting the ultimate scheme. If I ever got a chance to play like an intense forum game of mafia (with 16+ players) I'd be inputting more. Then again I probably wouldn't input as much at this stage of the game either, because in the first 2 days I don't like to be the star, but with this game the first 2 days are like 66% of the whole game so I better speak up sometime. ;D Not that this matters any anyway since I believe Damon is going next and speaking this only helps the Spy craft their next Imprisonment and setting up the final exile, but there it is.
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Post by Martha on Jan 9, 2008 3:40:46 GMT -5
Well, no offense to anyone, but this isn't like the Olympics of mafia playing or something haha. I'm playing to have fun and enjoy myself. Even if I was a Spy I wouldn't dedicate 100 hours to crafting the ultimate scheme. Really? I would. (And did, for Spies 2... but that's ancient, ancient history now.) My main point against the Sam-Damon theory is that it requires both of them to have related to each other in a way that really doesn't make much sense, especially given recent history. Quite simply, I think they're both too smart for it. Ralph has taken out a fellow spy in this game, which makes no sense whatsoever given the investigations. I don't see Ralph doing it (even given his "roleclaim"!) or Damon standing for it. Singe didn't vote, and I rather think Damon would have done, but it might have been a clever ploy on their part to avoid vote-splitting. I don't like Sam's point about "imprisonment". In this case the only obvious imprisonment target I can see is Ralph, and if we can get Damon and the other mafia out in the next two rounds (assuming Ralph is made the judge) then they won't get a chance to imprison him anyway. All four of the rest of us are under some major suspicion, and one of us has to go. Besides, don't the imprisoned players win in mafia anyway? If the remaining mafia isn't Sam, AFAICS it's gotta be either Zander or Singe. Ralph is the judge, Damon presumably is mafia, and I'm a citizen but only I know that for certain. All of which leaves us with one helluva problem. The defence lawyer on the side of whoever is put up against Damon presumably will get an investigation. That person can't be Ralph, can't be Damon, and I really don't want to see Zander or Singe in the position. I don't think either Sam or myself is trusted enough. That leaves... erm... nobody. Unless Ralph has ideas that I don't have that would exonerate one of my three suspects or me. Ralph, I hope your mafiadar is working well this time!
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Post by Ralph on Jan 9, 2008 10:34:32 GMT -5
i am in the proces of thinking that one through also
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Post by Zander on Jan 9, 2008 12:47:17 GMT -5
Okay, well, our problem is that a clusterfuck of us are slightly exonerating someone but nobody else is exonerating that person.
Sam has basically exonerated me. I've exonerated Martha. I don't think Singe has exonerated anyone. Martha has exonerated Sam. And Damon is unreliable.
Ralph, especially since you're safe, who do YOU trust the most at this point in time?
Obviously everyone trusts Ralph the most since we're making him judge, but it's a 3 way tie between Zander-Martha-Sam for 2nd most trusted at this point, then your opinion is obviously going to be the way we go with this.
Like I said I would prefer to see some combination of Martha and myself as Defendant/Lawyer because I trust her the most out of the remaining suspects, and think the people I trust the most should be given the investigation.
If I'm made defense lawyer I can basically promise that I will investigate Singe, who is one of my final two suspects. I feel like I narrowed down my suspects first and am really certain about the last spy being among Singe and Sam. If it's not Singe, it's Sam, and allowing me to be the defending lawyer and use the investigation on Singe will tell us that.
I think Sam makes excellent points on my behalf, but I'm not going to clear him for it. In fact, if I know anything about Sam, he knows that I fall for it head over heels when people try to defend me or stick up for me, and usually blindly clear them. So I can't rule him out just based on what he said...
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Post by Ralph on Jan 9, 2008 13:18:52 GMT -5
well i think at this point i have decided i am giving the defendant lawyers poisitoin and the investigation to Martha still trying to figure out the rest and this is not completly confirmed i would like to talk to Martha about it a little bit maby on aim this evening!
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Post by Martha on Jan 9, 2008 14:52:17 GMT -5
Alright, I'll try to be online at midnight (7PM EST / 6PM CST). If you can make it online, great. I'll stay on for a while but obviously I can't stay up for too long.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 9, 2008 16:35:39 GMT -5
OK i will try to be on then but my main question for you is if u were givent he investigation how would u use it? i think my best bet is to give the investagation to who i think would use it the wisest to catch a spy and make sure it dosent end up in the other spies hand cause then its game over.....I CANT LET A SPY WIN THIS INVESTIGATION!
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Post by Martha on Jan 9, 2008 19:14:00 GMT -5
I think there's one person who clearly should be investigated. If that person turns up innocent, it gives us a way to go. If that person turns up guilty... well, two mafia down in three rounds isn't so bad!
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Post by Singe on Jan 9, 2008 23:17:05 GMT -5
Directing the cop--bad.
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Post by Zander on Jan 10, 2008 0:14:24 GMT -5
Okay, Broken Record, I think we get the hint. Meanwhile "directing the cop" when there isn't a cop and nobody has been given an investigation yet is pretty much harmless. Beyond that, we're pooling information, something I firmly believe to be one of the biggest helps to citizens in games.
Is your problem with it that there's a powerful feeling that you should be investigated? Cause that's the vibe I get from you.
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