Sherri
Sherri
MILF (also featured on Girls Gone Wild 1986!)
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Post by Sherri on Feb 4, 2008 21:59:35 GMT -5
Also, you may discuss via AIM. However, some people rarely check their AIM these days, so it may be unfair, or difficult to get a balanced account.
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Sherri
Sherri
MILF (also featured on Girls Gone Wild 1986!)
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Post by Sherri on Feb 4, 2008 22:35:37 GMT -5
Abrams has disappeared... Welcome Kerry! (She will be using Elaine's photo from Spies 2) And no, she will not be disappearing after the first night. Kerry will be a real player who will be granted an Immunity from getting hurt by the Spies for Night One (to catch up). Other than that, she will be playing with us for as long as she can... until her side wins or until she gets eliminated.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 4, 2008 22:49:49 GMT -5
welcome kerry
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Kerry
New Member
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Post by Kerry on Feb 4, 2008 22:57:02 GMT -5
thanks for the welcome. i'm still reading over the rules and learning the concept of the game so be patient with me please. aim: Dazedlilmonkey9
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Lloyd
Lloyd
FREEZE! Drama poilce
Posts: 306
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Post by Lloyd on Feb 4, 2008 23:19:21 GMT -5
To Singe.
Yes, if I was a mafia, I would have wanted to have one of my mafia or I to be hurt on the first night. As I explained before, its the most advantageous to the maf, IMO.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
Posts: 451
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Post by Zander on Feb 5, 2008 0:04:24 GMT -5
Okay I really don't want to insult anybody so I'll select what I say carefully.
What just happened doesn't make sense.
"I am sticking to my vote with Singe.
Wait unvote.
Wait revote.
Wait unvote."
Great conviction.
But beyond that, the spies succeeded. All hopes of finding out someone's alignment were COMPLETELY quashed last minute.
And by whom? Adelaide.
The spies have to pick people to collectively lose 4 lives. Which basically means there's a strong chance either I'm not surviving tonight or that they'll peg a ton of us down to one life left.
In either case, we're basically screwed. Bravo everyone, for managing to no lynch. Regardless of whose reasoning you believed, that was the absolute DUMBEST move you could have let happen.
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
Posts: 196
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Post by Kip on Feb 5, 2008 2:37:58 GMT -5
*rolls eyes*
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
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Post by Singe on Feb 5, 2008 6:24:16 GMT -5
BOOM, now I'm pissed. I was hoping to play mellow and avoid being targeted by the Spies, but it's obvious my days are limited. Plus, little boy Zander insists on relentlessly insulting my play. Here's my analysis to work with in case I'm gone in the morning. (WTF with the rule change that unfairly puts certain players directly at risk? Was this really necessary?)
lloyd offers his vote to anyone, says someone told him to vote ralph so he does. (reckless? permitting quick 2 votes on ralph? fishing for a cop?)
someone sent Zander a PM after I checked into the game with a "hai" at 4am. this person told Zander to bandwagon me for inactivity, and he claimed to suspect them for mis-sending a message.
addy admits i started the S4 and Minigame quietly as a cit, but votes me anyhow. defends lloyd for shaky metagame reasons.
addy reveals that the message to zander to ATTACK ME FOR INACTIVITY was from her. (why did zander choose to trust addy? is this analytical, scumhunting thinking for early D1?)
addy claims to have hatched a plan to trap me, but that it wasn't intended to eliminate me. (although the inevitable result if it worked was my elimination.)
Lloyd hypothesizes that ralph is mafia and thus ralph's partner is trying to get lloyd out ASAP, totally ignoring the fact that Lloyd curiously didn't get hit at night. Lloyd also fake-hints at copness, this is TWO distinct dishonest ploys to avoid D1 votes.
Lloyd finds Adelaide most Citty because two people who took hits overnight PLUS hannah find her suspicious. WTF? TERRIBLE logic here, bordering on protection of Addy, who looks the most vulnerable at this point.
Masaki piles on Addy. 4 votes--lynch.
Lloyd--terrible logic again: "I guarantee you that the mafia will try to bring down everyone's life at the same rate." This makes no sense considering Mafia benefits from a) eliminating Cit roles and b) eliminating Cit votes. It makes more sense for Mafia to kill people off entirely rather than spread out votes, and Lloyd is disguising this plain-as-day fact.
Lloyd pleads for my lynch and cardflippage.
I rebut and attack Lloyd for pushing my lynch, and he lies/forgets about his reasoning for wanting me dead, which implies he doesn't really believe the reasoning:
Singe: "* Lloyd parrots Adelaide's claim that I've posted nothing of substance, when actually I posted a relevant attack on Addy, which he entirely ignores."
Lloyd: "I did? I don't remember accusing you of posting nothing of substance."
Liar:
Lloyd, 12 hrs earlier re Singe: "blah blah blah, lets not discuss anything instead"
Addy TOTALLY disagrees with Lloyd's logic for voting me, and yet DOESN'T CALL HIM ON IT:
"The chance to see if you are night killed with 1 life left, if you aren't then you look very scummy"
Lloyd: "the spies would want to keep him in this and pan out everyones lives"
Lloyd claims he wasn't hinting at copness, then admits he pulled a stunt to make people think he might be a cop. Effective way to deter D1 votes on him, easily explainable later as "strategy".
Lloyd lies AGAIN about his reasoning for voting for me!
Lloyd: "Voting for Addy was one of the smaller reasons I suspect you."
Lloyd, when placing his vote on me:
"I think I'm gonna venture against the tide here and side with Adelaide to vote for Singe.
My reason?
Looking at the people who got hurt in the explosion, 2 of them are voting for Adelaide."
Bottom line, Lloyd, you can't keep your stories straight and I think you're scum. If not, you're flopping around worse than Martha last game and distracting people from the real Mafia.
Lloyd changes his main reason for voting me a THIRD time:
Lloyd: "To reiterate, my main reason is It is advantageous for us to finish someone off. Lets put aside all that "we are losing a valuable player" BS. Have confidence in your own skill. I guarantee you there are at least 3 other players that could do just as well as Singe."
Specifically trying to minimize the effect my death would have on town. "Oh, it's ok, I'll save you if we're wrong, as will person X and Y." Specifically trying to finish ME off, someone with their eye and their vote on who? LLOYD.
At this point Lloyd has not evaluated anyone else in the game besides Addy and Singe, and shows nearly no curiosity about anyone else. He just wants a dead Cit by morning.
Zander pledges not to move his vote off of Addy, who has had 4 votes.
Zander and Addy have an argument, Zander expresses that Addy is his top suspicion.
Zander: "We need someone to lose all 3 lives immediately. I'm willing to push my biggest suspicion aside for the time being to accomplish that. Vote Singe" (WTF?! Why not addy?)
Zander claims to know who the vig is and claims to know how their role works, claims to be the only person the vigilante has contacted (why?) and claims the vig asked him to recruit votes on Singe. (!!!)
Zander implores Ralph to switch his vote to:
Zander: "your vote going to either Singe or Adelaide would help the humans with revealing alignment "
Why did Zander just show preference for Addy? He could have had her lynched, but switched over to me. Also, is he lying about being "recruited" to vote for Singe? He was voting Addy until moments ago? Sounds like a bogus reason for a voteflip to a safer vote.
note: Zander has completely forgotten that he mistrusted Addy on page 2 for sending him a bizarro "mis-addressed" PM. Was his original "outrage" phony?
Zander says our goal is to "make sure we start getting rid of people asap." This sounds VERY anti-town, as town's goal is to gather information rapidly, not kill rapidly. Mafia's goal is to kill before town roles have time to work their magic.
Kip expresses suspicion of Zander for Z's TERRIBLE logic and bizarre trust of a whispered roleclaim.
WHOA HOLY SHIT:
Zander: "I'm still not doubting that you two are the spies, but Singe is a huge suspect and getting him out practically confirms that you(Kip) and Adelaide are the spies."
Zander's sentence structure here basically assumes Singe is a Citizen! And then leaps to conclusions about Kip and Addy being mafia when Singe comes up Cit!!! How does that logically follow? Zander showing strong Mafia signs.
Addy and Ralph sheep onto Lloyd's and Zander's bizarro-world psycho-killer logic. Ralph = silent partner?
Addy recognizes Zander's willy-nilly panic to KILL SOMEONE:
"And Zander my reluctance to do this plan at first came from the fact that one minute you are against me and then suddenly you say we MUST vote Singe."
Lloyd, satisfied with Singe-blood, wants to pile votes now on Zander and Kip.
Zander trashes my gameplay across three games in an attempt to seal my death, says specifically that LLOYD is a much greater asset. EVEN THOUGH LLOYD JUST CALLED FOR ZANDER'S DEATH!!!!!!! Is Zander even reading the game critically? Very suspicious.
Addy unvotes me, votes me.
Kip votes Zander, showing outstanding judgment.
Masaki rightly asks why Zander, Lloyd and the "vig" are deadset on killing Singe and not Zander or Kip.
Addy unvotes Singe just before dealine, unquestionably saving me from death tonight. Very unlikely that she is Mafia.
Zander berates Addy for not lynching me, ignoring the fact that any of 4 other people could have chosen to finish me off but didn't. Particularly Kip, who was on Zander like flies on shit. Also, Zander hopped off Addy at a time when she was lynchable, coincidentally right after Lloyd hinted that Singe was a tastier target. Going for the safer of two mislynches but got neither? Appeasing Cit-Lloyd or following the evil mastermind blindly? tsk tsk.
Conclusion: Zander and Lloyd look really bad. At least one of them appears to be the strongarming mafia partner pressing Cits towards a reckless strategy of offing Cits as quickly as possible. I doubt both of them would be vocal, bloodthirsty scum, but it DEFINITELY makes sense that one would. Here's the difference in strategy between Lloyd's plan and what I personally see as smart Cit play:
N0: 2-3 cit hits D1: 1-2 cit hits, 0-1 spy hits N1: 4-5 cit hits, 0-1 spy hits D2: 2-3 cit hits, 0-1 spy hits N2: 4-5 cit hits, 0-1 spy hits
13-18 cit hits before D3. 0-4 spy hits
Lloyd's plan (GROUP HITS, KILL ASAP) ==================================== Average scenario: 5 dead Cits, 0 dead Spies leaving 2 spies 3 cits.
Singe's plan (Don't group hits, evaluate behavior) ================================================== Average scenario: 1 dead Cit, 0 dead Spies leaving 2 spies, 6 cits.
Lloyd's plan is TERRIBLE for Cits. What sane Cit would propose such a plan?
And who is the silent partner? Ralph? Hannah?
If the "vig" and/or/aka mafia take me out tonight, kill Zander tomorrow if you thirst for a body--he looks dirtiest. And get the rest of the town talking--an endeavor much more valuable than a blind bloodthirsty pursuit of one Cit. The failure to tag anyone today is as much due to Lloyd's and Zander's singleminded divisiveness as anything. Strongarming = fail. Proportionality and common sense = win.
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Post by Masaki on Feb 5, 2008 9:53:34 GMT -5
Couple of things...
I was under the impression that once 4 votes was reached that a lynch would occur immediately after, regardless of unvotes. Apparently I was wrong.
Fortunately, I am finding Adelaide to be less, well, scummy(especially considering Kip also received that PM), and to be fitting her insane personality from Spies 4. This does NOT clear her(I am thoroughly convinced there is scum somewhere between the troublesome Zander, Lloyd, Singe, and Adelaide - it's a matter of fingering which one/two).
I'm not sure what to think of Singe, honestly. The guy has a natural born Citizenish aura about him and thinking of him as scum makes my stomach churn. However, I think he's dead on about the flawed logic behind the "KILL FIRST, REGRET LATER" plan. My problem is this : We get 2 lynches MAX per day. Our lynches are NOT accurate and are influenced by the mafia/spies/scum/clowns. The scum get 3 kills per NIGHT, and their hits are 100% accurate(never hitting their own if they so desire). We are at an immediate disadvantage.
Lloyd, before you bring up that theory of yours, just remember that they can now off people FULLY. And this is where my being troubled with this comes in... I found your theory of them hitting one of their own at night to be plausible if their only option was to hit 3 separate people at a maximum of 1 life loss. However, I am imagining what I would do as Mafia, and I come to the realization that I would begin to target the offset that(supposedly) is the best bet we have at winning right now.
What might that be? Ah, yes, the Vigilante. Why the hell would I waste time trying to conceal myself when I could just as easily win the game by killing off the Vigilante? And what might the best way of going about that be? Well, of course, 100% killing everyone. The sooner the vigilante is dead, the sooner scum are at a huge advantage. They could waste their time spreading the kills amongst 3 people, requiring 3 days to kill the Vigilante, and giving them 3 days of killing on behalf of the Town. Or they could take a 1/8 chance and off once per night, potentially clipping him soon enough to get rid of that very bad night killing capability.
So basically I think the game's in the hand of the Vigilante for the most part. They need to really stop listening to Zander or whoever the hell else is talking to them(you're a giant fool, whoever you are, if you honestly told Zander about your role), and do what you think is right based on what is going on in the game thread. Anyone directly contacting you may or may not have an agenda. Make your own decisions, because you're our largest asset.
I have reason to favor Lloyd in this situation. As a result, I plan to gun for Zander tomorrow. If I die tonight, kill him please.
Thanks.
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Lloyd
Lloyd
FREEZE! Drama poilce
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Post by Lloyd on Feb 5, 2008 10:43:49 GMT -5
lloyd offers his vote to anyone, says someone told him to vote ralph so he does. (reckless? permitting quick 2 votes on ralph? fishing for a cop?) I have no idea how you drew these conclusions. It wasn't reckless, I planned it out and used it LONG before this game. What do you mean permitting 2 quick votes? And how the hell is that fishing for a cop. If you read my posts and thought about it, the only people who are supposed to conclude I am cop, is the maf, and only if Ralph is a maf. Again, read my posts, the reason I gave for the Maf wanting me out came AFTER the first night kills were submitted. Hinting at copness in a way only spies will see is in no way a bad thing. It wont attract any counter claims from a real cop, and it will unnerve spies. Most cittish AT THE TIME. Which is not saying too much that early in the game. As I said before, if the Maf knew anyone with a role, yes, they would try to eliminate them, but shooting into the crowd to find roles doesn't seem logical because its more helpful to have a lot of players to hide behind. And Cit votes? What the hell, yes... taking out ONE of many votes is soooo worth losing a player to hide behind. Yes, this is suspicious how? That wasn't directed at you. that was directed at how retarded crying WIFOM is. And which of my posts did you misinterpret to infer that I wasn't hinting at copness? I had said in the post I made before the one you quoted, that one that I suspected anyone who voted for me. The reasoning you quoted, was what me me vote you OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAD VOTED ME. Bottom line, Singe, you can't interpret any of my posts correctly. That or you are putting words in my mouth on purpose' Uggh... What the hell is your obsession with "my main reason". Does it change the magnitude of the evidence if I give it a different number? Not to mention that you're trying to point out contradictions by looking at something that did (and usually does change). What the hell is the point of analyzing people you don't suspect? You analyze them... if you suspect them. Unless I have other suspects.. I don't intend on analyzing them. IMO, analyzing everyone just leads to having people you dont really suspect bitch at you for reasons that you didn't intend on voting for them in the first place. And.... As I have previously stated, IT IS ADVANTAGEOUS TO REMOVE PEOPLE QUICKLY. WE NEED CARDFLIP. HAHAHA.... Are you retarded? Obviously you are not, so oyu are maligning my plan with no evidence whatsoever. So how on earth is my plan guaranteed to not hit any spies? And let me guess, everyone at this time will have 1 life. Meaning the spies kill 2 people , we can lynch 2, but if we lynch a cit we lose because the spies will just get two more kills the next night. Not to mention that we will only have 1 cardflip at the time, and the next two are whoever the spies want it to be. So we have minimal objective evidence, and we NEED to hit all spies. Excellent plan. Do you have proof or are you just gonna post numbers that pull out of your head? Again... WTF. So the no lynch is because people were trying to lead? So if we all sit back and cast our own votes by our own logic (which has been proven already, that everyone's is different) THAT IS HOW WE GET LYNCHES. You have done nothing but spew faulty logic, which is very uncharacteristic of you.
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Hannah
Hannah
The Carb Catcher
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Post by Hannah on Feb 5, 2008 11:25:11 GMT -5
Not wanting to get day one votes doesnt necessarily make one a mafia, i mean no one wants to be voted out the game, but i agree that we should have killed one person yesterday, i just have issues with the way Zander and Lloyd went about trying to get Singe out, especially since we know from spies 4 how cleverly manipulative zander can be, and therefore i cant tell whether its clever logic or total manipulation to make it look like its clever logic. The only person who is making sense to me right now is Singe i'm afraid, and to be honest i dont suspect addy so much anymore, cos she was just as flipfloppy in spies 4 and was a cit.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Feb 5, 2008 12:04:09 GMT -5
Singe, I think you misinterpreted everything that happened with the PM.
I never targeted you from the PM that Adelaide sent me, I targeted her and Kip because of it. So you are not really following everything in this thread that well. I targeted you because of the vig.
Anyway, the evidence of that PM and withheld information about Kip receiving it STANDS and I DON'T understand how people are just walking around oblivious to it.
And then Adelaide successfully causes a no-lynch last minute? Doesn't add up. At all.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
Posts: 451
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Post by Zander on Feb 5, 2008 12:38:05 GMT -5
Not wanting to get day one votes doesnt necessarily make one a mafia, i mean no one wants to be voted out the game, but i agree that we should have killed one person yesterday, i just have issues with the way Zander and Lloyd went about trying to get Singe out, especially since we know from spies 4 how cleverly manipulative zander can be, and therefore i cant tell whether its clever logic or total manipulation to make it look like its clever logic. The only person who is making sense to me right now is Singe i'm afraid, and to be honest i dont suspect addy so much anymore, cos she was just as flipfloppy in spies 4 and was a cit. To respond to this, the only time that I actually manipulated votes was after Ralph already said he wanted to switch to Martha, and then with Masaki (though that took what, 3 exiles?) If you look at Spies 3 I also manipulated votes to try to get my biggest suspects out, like Jennipher, and after my Imprisonment, Miles. So I guess if we're being fair I'm normally manipulative? It doesn't depend on my alignment. That's certainly not a good quality to have
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Martha
Martha
Rabbit Catcher
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Post by Martha on Feb 5, 2008 16:03:01 GMT -5
I just want to pop in and say this: LEAVE MARTHA ALONE! SHE IS NOT NECESSARILY THE EXACT ANTITHESIS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOOD ABOUT CITIZENHOOD!!! PS - just for that, I'm not telling you all who the spies are in your game.
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 5, 2008 16:36:36 GMT -5
Zander I always do things last minute aka. voting Beverly. I flip flop alot. Somethign I gotta watch out wont give me away Spies 6 (since i mightn't make spies 5 cos i dont know if there's wireless where im going (fucking middle of nowhere as part of college placement)).
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
Posts: 196
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Post by Kip on Feb 5, 2008 17:03:35 GMT -5
At least when Adelaide flipped at the last minute she had a reason, unlike your "I'll vote Singe, even though I don't suspect him the most" bullshit.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
Posts: 451
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Post by Zander on Feb 5, 2008 17:14:49 GMT -5
*LAUGHS* How many times did EVERY CITIZEN vote for who they didn't suspect the most in Spies 4?!?!
I rest my case.
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
Posts: 196
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Post by Kip on Feb 5, 2008 18:12:34 GMT -5
How many times did you? Call it strategy or whatever you want, but your actions in this game are not consistent with that game.
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Sherri
Sherri
MILF (also featured on Girls Gone Wild 1986!)
Posts: 249
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Post by Sherri on Feb 5, 2008 23:25:44 GMT -5
W have a new player so please minimize the past Spies references. :-) Consider it some a preparation for Spies 5.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Feb 6, 2008 0:29:58 GMT -5
How many times did you? Call it strategy or whatever you want, but your actions in this game are not consistent with that game. I was a spy!!! How can you even try to use that as evidence?!
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Post by Kip on Feb 6, 2008 0:47:34 GMT -5
Then stop using the fact that Citizens did it in Spies 4. It means nothing if it doesn't apply to everyone.
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Zander
Zander
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Post by Zander on Feb 6, 2008 0:56:51 GMT -5
Then stop using the fact that Citizens did it in Spies 4. It means nothing if it doesn't apply to everyone. It most certainly means something when you guys try to say "LOL SPY FOR VOTING FOR WHO YOU DIDN'T SUSPECT MOST" and I can clearly point at that all throughout Spies 4 (and every game in the Spies series, and every mafia game ever invented) citizens do NOT always vote for who they suspect the most. In fact, they often DON'T vote for who they suspect the most. It is neither evidence in favor or against spydom, and therefore it shouldn't be used against ME to begin with. You are basically proving the point that I made when I disproved Singe's point.
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Post by Kip on Feb 6, 2008 0:58:28 GMT -5
But when you're vocal about your top choice, then change on the spur of the moment on a shitty plan? That should be looked at.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
Posts: 451
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Post by Zander on Feb 6, 2008 1:05:24 GMT -5
So you're basically saying this is Candy Part II when she targeted you even though she clearly said she suspected Masaki more?
Anyway, I don't think it was a shitty plan to change to one of my top suspects knowing that he had the most clear potential to be eliminated and therefore would be clear cardflipped evidence for us to work with. In my mind, there was no way Adelaide would be fully killed off by tomorrow, and I do indeed believe that cardflip is the absolute best evidence we have to use (cause clearly none of us can agree on shit - Adelaide seems the most goddamn scummish person ever by causing a no lynch and people are writing her off as innocent). I knew that you would not accumulate enough votes in time, and since both you and Singe had the same amount of lives, it made sense for me to go to my suspect next down the line. No I didn't expect to get a huge following but a NO LYNCH? Absolute BS, and I'm most certainly not going to take responsibility for it or let Adelaide get away with pulling it off.
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Hannah
Hannah
The Carb Catcher
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Post by Hannah on Feb 6, 2008 3:25:24 GMT -5
I think its misleading to say that adelaide alone is responsible for the no lynch....
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
Posts: 250
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Post by Singe on Feb 6, 2008 5:14:38 GMT -5
Okay I really don't want to insult anybody so I'll select what I say carefully. Bravo everyone, for managing to no lynch. Regardless of whose reasoning you believed, that was the absolute DUMBEST move you could have let happen. OK, reviewing Zander's play: (Addy has 4 votes at this time) (1:07 PM) Adelaide...Kip... SPY SPY SPY SPY SPY SPY SPY. I won't let this go. (Zander claims to be very sure Addy is a Spy based on her PM. He will NOT let her off the hook!) (1:27 PM) The title alone (of Addy's message) is the most damning evidence one needs. And there is no justification in sending it to me unless you accidentally sent it to me. (He believes the PM indicts Addy. Addy still has 4 votes) (1:47 PM) Singe. We need someone to lose all 3 lives immediately. I'm willing to push my biggest suspicion aside for the time being to accomplish that. We need 4 votes on Singe and we need them asap. (Zander has unvoted Addy, voted Singe, and now there is a no-lynch situation.) Okay I really don't want to insult anybody so I'll select what I say carefully. Bravo everyone, for managing to no lynch. Regardless of whose reasoning you believed, that was the absolute DUMBEST move you could have let happen. (Zander calls the person responsible for the no-lynch a dumbass retard frat boy.) I don't think it was a shitty plan to change to one of my top suspects... I didn't expect to get a huge following but a NO LYNCH? Absolute BS, and I'm most certainly not going to take responsibility for it or let Adelaide get away with pulling it off. (Zander accepts zero responsibility for the no-lynch.) ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU DID HAHA
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
Posts: 451
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Post by Zander on Feb 6, 2008 11:35:39 GMT -5
I think its misleading to say that adelaide alone is responsible for the no lynch.... No, she's not responsible alone for the no-lynch, but she is the ultimate reason why there wasn't one. We can also blame it on people who voted for candidates that clearly were not going to be lynched, or those who didn't vote at all.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
Posts: 451
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Post by Zander on Feb 6, 2008 11:47:24 GMT -5
Singe, I understand what you are trying to do, and it's not working. I'm not going to let you get to me personally.
Try to understand something - the only comment I made on your gameplay was from you personally attacking people. I said that you were clearly NOT the best mafia ever, as you had boasted over and over and over again in Spies 4. Does that mean you're a grand mafia? You might be. You might not even be a mafia right now.
But you reacted violently to that and ever since have been attacking my intelligence, my character (and I don't mean Zander, I mean real life character), and my attitude, which honestly are irrelevant to this game.
If you are trying to get kicks out of it, then I don't understand why you need to do things like that to do it. If you are purposely trying to be judgmental and make people feel like shit, I am not surprised - your clique in Spies 4 seems very good at it. In fact you and Candy are like twins, to be honest - she should have been in your group too.
Am I wrong in saying that a lynch is the citizens #1 tool? No. Am I right in saying that it is clearly dumb to force a no lynch? Yes.
So I'm just going to plead that once and for all you and your little personal-attack gremlins cut it out. I've honestly had enough and it's not going to get you anywhere one way or another, in this game or in real life. All it proves is that you people are acting judgmental for pretty much no reason.
Most people I meet online or in person don't judge me when I tell them I'm in a fraternity because they know what kind of person I am, and it's not anything like what the typical 90s frat guys are. Nobody is like Animal House. Nobody is like Old School.
Fraternities are organized. They have intense leadership (of which on the executive board I have held two of the most responsible and time-demanding positions) requirements, they are required more so than any university students to spend hours doing community service and donate money for philanthropy, and they attend about 20 summits a semester to discuss how to be responsible and change the image that so many ignorant people have of them.
There are about 10 rotten chapters in the entire U.S. that ruin it for all of us. But that doesn't mean the rest of us are going to stop trying to be upstanding.
I don't judge every German person I meet based on Adolf Hitler (or Kate, thank God.). I most certainly don't run around talking to people about my opinions on other people's personal lives.
To anyone and everyone who insists on trying to personally attack me when you can't take it back after you have ALREADY dished it out, please, stop trying to attack my life. You need to find a new hobby.
I have played this game twice now and I have never had to insult how someone actually lives their life or anything. I've never had to do that on the internet at all. If you have to do that to get by, perhaps you need to spend less time on it.
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
Posts: 250
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Post by Singe on Feb 6, 2008 11:52:26 GMT -5
Saving all personal feelings about KING SINGE, I think for us to attribute one person as an asset to the citizens is foolish. In the last mini mafia game, Singe was almost detrimental to the citizens, and even though he claimed he knew Ralph was the last mafia, he voted for Martha to give the win to Ralph - clearly not a helpful move. Of the two games I've played with Singe, he used shaky logic in one and his role empowered him through the other... That's generally how people who have roles play anyway, and it's nothing against him. I think there are other citizen assets that are much greater, like Lloyd. I defy you to find anything negative I said about you in this game before this post of yours in which you namecalled and generally talked shit about my mad skillz. You started it, and I smacked you for it. Grow up, and quit whining about other people starting the shit that you actually started yourself. If you want peace and harmony, quit being a dick.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Feb 6, 2008 12:00:15 GMT -5
Saving all personal feelings about KING SINGE, I think for us to attribute one person as an asset to the citizens is foolish. In the last mini mafia game, Singe was almost detrimental to the citizens, and even though he claimed he knew Ralph was the last mafia, he voted for Martha to give the win to Ralph - clearly not a helpful move. Of the two games I've played with Singe, he used shaky logic in one and his role empowered him through the other... That's generally how people who have roles play anyway, and it's nothing against him. I think there are other citizen assets that are much greater, like Lloyd. I defy you to find anything negative I said about you in this game before this post of yours in which you namecalled and generally talked shit about my mad skillz. You started it, and I smacked you for it. Grow up, and quit whining about other people starting the shit that you actually started yourself. If you want peace and harmony, quit being a dick. Are you kidding me? All I did was call you KING SINGE. That's not namecalling, that's like me calling someone Zannederliese or Jessicloyd, or calling Ralph "ROLLBOY". It's called a nickname and I certainly didn't expect you to be so sour about it. Dear God. I'm also not attacking your gameplay, I'm analyzing what you did in the last game - you were almost detrimental to the citizens and you did hand over the game to Ralph. I don't think I'm wrong there and it's certainly not judgmental. You did use shaky logic in the last game. And my role was a martyr role in Spies 3, but you still use it to your advantage. I got a citizen coalition together because of it. You prevented the Spies from Imprisoning massive players at a critical time, and when it really mattered (because Kip was about to be eliminated), you role worked to your advantage and saved him. So yes, your role DID empower you to be more vocal and more helpful to the citizens. I think you're misinterpreting everything I am trying to say in that post, which is basically that we cannot just idolize one person playing the game. I wasn't being a dick, and I still don't see how you can think I was.
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