Mini Game 2 - Townsville (Day Three)

[Zander]

The whole point of the vigilante coming to me was to make sure we started getting rid of people asap. As Lloyd pointed out, that is the citizen's best bet because it will reveal alignment.

I'm completely sold on the idea that the mafia hit myself, Singe, and Kip knowing one of us was a spy and to try to send us on a chase to figure out who.

The problem was that the frenzy idea could split the votes three ways and result in a no-lynch scenario.


The vigilante will kill Singe tonight if he has 1 life left. This will reveal Singe's alignment. If Singe is a citizen then I'm basically sold that Kip isn't (I obviously know I am and the vig. trusted me enough to tell me about their power).

So basically if there aren't enough votes on ANYONE, we're just waiting our time. Someone needs 4 votes and the only person the vig. can kill tonight is Singe, Kip, or myself. Currently Singe has the most votes towards that happening, and we don't want the vig. just nicking off more lives when we could actually kill someone off.


It's the most valuable information we will be able to work with.

[Kip]

Seems, no one remembers that we can vote two players to the total of 4 votes, and remove lives from two players at once. As for Zander and his "Vigilante" business. If there really is a power like that, and Singe dies, and is a Citizen, then Zander is the Mafia (assuming the Mafia hurt someone).

Zander has been running around targetting Adelaide and myself for using what he calls "flawed logic, when he hasn't done any better, then on a whim he changes his vote to Singe. Why? Because someone told him they had a role? You kidding me? In Spies 4, Zander was one of the, if not THE, biggest player to follow his own stride and vote, and didn't waiver at all. Now he's willing to just because someone claims to have a role. I don't buy Zander's reaction. There may be a role out there as he claims, but Zander himself should not be trusted with anything right now.

[Zander]

There's no way in hell we will be able to unite 2 sets of 4 votes by the deadline today - Especially not with people like Ralph holding like glue to ABRAMS.

Also keep in mind in Spies 4 I was a spy trying to prove I was so independent that I couldn't possibly be a citizen. Sure it makes sense that if I'm a spy this time around I should change up my gameplay, but I think people can attest to the fact that as a citizen, I'm usually not as stalwart as I was in Spies 4 as a spy.


I changed my vote to Singe, not on a whim, but because it needs to be done. Like Lloyd said, people remaining in the game is exactly what the mafia want.

Resistance to people getting out of the game so we can use alignment for our advantage is more suspicious than changing my mind.

I'm not targeting anyone for using flawed logic, either, I've never even used the freakin term in my life until this point. I'm targeting the two of you because nothing about that PM makes sense, and you two didn't get your stories together until you both had time to work it out.


I'm still not doubting that you two are the spies, but Singe is a huge suspect and getting him out practically confirms that you and Adelaide are the spies. Which is exactly why I don't expect either one of you to be supportive of this endeavor.

[Lloyd]

Just to re-iterate this point...

When a player loses all three lives, they are removed and cardflipped.
When a player is cardflipped, we receive valuable information.

Conclusion: When a player loses all three lives, we gain valuable information.


Unless you can defeat this logic, there is no reason for you to not vote for one of the three injured. Since Singe would take the least additional votes to lynch, its only logical to go for him first.

[Adelaide]

Singe. Lloyd check your PM

[Ralph]

based on Zanders info i agree we need mroe evidence to conduct a better search for mafia and the best way to do that is get rid of a contestant so i will cast my vote for SINGE

[Ralph]

sorry i didnt realize about the vigilante or however u spell it at first......i guess you can say i didnt understand it until the twist LMAO

[Adelaide]

And Zander my reluctance to do this plan at first came from the fact that one minute you are against me and then suddenly you say we MUST vote Singe. How is anyone supposed to react to that? It took 4 posts then Lloyd's to understand what was going on!

[Lloyd]

That makes 4, now shall we stack some on Kip/Zander?

[Hannah]

I dont understand how a vigilante works, will someone explain it pls? and how will getting enough votes on singe help?

[Hannah]

wait, had only read up to page 3 of this thread, i understnad about the vigilante now. But couldnt this be a ploy to get singe out the game because he will most probably be an asset to the citizens?

[Zander]

Saving all personal feelings about KING SINGE, I think for us to attribute one person as an asset to the citizens is foolish.

In the last mini mafia game, Singe was almost detrimental to the citizens, and even though he claimed he knew Ralph was the last mafia, he voted for Martha to give the win to Ralph - clearly not a helpful move.

Of the two games I've played with Singe, he used shaky logic in one and his role empowered him through the other...

That's generally how people who have roles play anyway, and it's nothing against him.



I think there are other citizen assets that are much greater, like Lloyd.

[Lloyd]

I don't believe in people being assets unless they have roles. But I do believe in liabilities. *glares at Abrams*

[Adelaide]

hannah said:

wait, had only read up to page 3 of this thread, i understnad about the vigilante now. But couldnt this be a ploy to get singe out the game because he will most probably be an asset to the citizens?

A vigilante is a role in which the roleholder gets to kill one person at any night during the game. THey can only use the role once in the entire game. In this game they must be only able to use it on the players harmed at night (Kip, Singe, Zander). They are a citizen.

[Zander]

adelaide said:

hannah said:

wait, had only read up to page 3 of this thread, i understnad about the vigilante now. But couldnt this be a ploy to get singe out the game because he will most probably be an asset to the citizens?

A vigilante is a role in which the roleholder gets to kill one person at any night during the game. THey can only use the role once in the entire game. In this game they must be only able to use it on the players harmed at night (Kip, Singe, Zander). They are a citizen.

Adelaide I think what the vig. meant was that they would only use their powers on one of those three so that one person's alignment would definitely be cardflipped come Day 2

[Singe]

zander said:

Saving all personal feelings about KING SINGE, I think for us to attribute one person as an asset to the citizens is foolish.

In the last mini mafia game, Singe was almost detrimental to the citizens, and even though he claimed he knew Ralph was the last mafia, he voted for Martha to give the win to Ralph - clearly not a helpful move.

Of the two games I've played with Singe, he used shaky logic in one and his role empowered him through the other...

That's generally how people who have roles play anyway, and it's nothing against him.

Fuck off, snotwad. The King Singe thing is SO 2007. My role sucked--it didn't help me in the least. It was designed as a martyr role, dumbass. And as for me being detrimental to the citizens in Addy's minigame, I just voted on behalf of the dead--all of you suspected Martha and cleared Ralph. Ralph deserved to win, and I voted as such.

You guys are being retarded. Let's vote Singe cause he has the most votes. If this is the level of sophomoric bs this game amounts to, I'd rather sit it out, thanks. Good luck finding the Spies on your own. Any "vigilante" who claims I'm scum is full of shit--burn them at the stake tomorrow. Are you really so naive as to think a vig knows jack shit about anyone's alignment?

[Zander]

LOLWUT.

Singe you are clearly the best mafia that MafiaScum has ever seen!

In fact you are so good that you have to resort to name calling and whining and being a personal attacker just to try to survive one day! Bravo, sir!

[Adelaide]

Singe may have a point. Because of the Vig? Unvote:Singe for the moment, FOR THE MOMENT

[Zander]

Also, I cleared Martha before I cleared Ralph there, buddy boy

[Zander]

adelaide said:

Singe may have a point. Because of the Vig? Unvote:Singe for the moment, FOR THE MOMENT

Adelaide, don't give in based on his over-the-top reaction! The vig. is deadset on eliminating Singe so they will either do it tonight or tomorrow night - and honestly, do we really want a mafia sticking around 2 nights longer than they need to when the mafia can apparently bomb 3 of us each night?


I certainly didn't think so.


No, a vig. doesn't know anything about someone's alignment, but they are the best way for us to find out. HEY OH!

[Adelaide]

No I made a decision and I'm sticking with it. Singe. THats it no more mind changing

[Kip]

Zander

[Masaki]

Who is to say the Vigilante knows any better than we do that Singe is scum?

And why are they so dead-set on Singe and ignoring both Zander, and Kip?

I will vote Singe if only to prevent a no-lynch, but if he flips town, I'm going to be very tempted to gun for you relentlessly, Zander.

Singe's reaction doesn't seem to be one I'd expect from him, but the thing is, the Vigilante can prove their own existence(I think), based on how the night kills play out tonight. Zander, do us a favor and get confirmation on exactly HOW that role works so we know what to look for.

And in the mean time, tell me why the vigilante wants Singe dead and neither you nor Kip.

[Masaki]

In fact, I am going to demand some very convincing reasons for why we should go for Singe instead of Kip/Zander.

[Masaki]

Vote : Kip

First he's considerably skeptical of the plan, then he flips around and votes Singe without further reason presented.

Please do tell.

[Masaki]

God damn I can't read.

Unvote

He voted Zander, not Singe.

[Singe]

zander said:

LOLWUT.

Singe you are clearly the best mafia that MafiaScum has ever seen!

In fact you are so good that you have to resort to name calling and whining and being a personal attacker just to try to survive one day! Bravo, sir!

Personal attacker? You little @#$%@#$%, I haven't attacked your play at all, pretty much ever, and you take little snipes at my play every chance you get. Seriously, fuck off. And I mean that in the Dutch way, which is rather casual, more like "get bent".

masaki said:

Singe's reaction doesn't seem to be one I'd expect from him

Think about it a sec, you sign up for a game, the Mafia hits you N1, and a bunch of nitwits decide that you should be sacrificed so the town can narrow down their number of mafia suspects to 2. Oh wait, no they can't narrow jack shit, because there's no guarantee at all that mafia tagged themselves last night.

So I'm being sacrificed for the sake of killing someone ASAP. Whose idea was this anyway? Lloyd's? Lloyd, if you're a Cit, this is retarded. IF you're Mafia, DIE.

Basically, this is me throwing my hands in the air and saying, if you guys want to play recklessly, great. I also think this is a natural consequence of a game with short days, so whoop-de-doo for that. If I want inanity, I'll play scumchat.

[Adelaide]

Okay I unvote:singe

As a cit I can't outright say what's going on here except that everyone should try figure this out for themselves.

I'm not voting anyone because the line between Cits-on-a-dangerous-mission and Mafia is thin.

Zander, you really did suddenly change your plan and it took many people to get the reasoning out of you.

Secondly a vig in this game just needs to out themself and it would take them 3 nights to die, never be lynched and make it to the end of the game. It's so obvious that the vig is after Singe anyway.

However Zander going along with this plan means he can direct the vig and have someone to trust him til endgame.

Im not voting Zander just pointing out other possibilities. I dont mind having a no lynch this round or next round. I think I'm getting a life lost this round.

Actually I'll give Abrams a vote. This plan is too early and too easy for spies to latch on if Singe is cit.

[Singe]

Thank god for common sense...

Addy didn't say it explicitly, but it looks like she's getting around to realizing that there are three or more people trading PMs who cannot possibly have good reason to trust each other. There's a "vig" who is acting more like Mafia, and who should be gassed immediately if they are responsible for my death. There's Zander, who admits to putting his vote and his faith in the hands of this dubious "vig". Also fishy. And there's Lloyd, who is playing RIDICULOUSLY recklessly, at least from my perspective.

Answer me this, Lloyd. If you are/were mafia, and I'm sure you considered this before the game, would you have tagged yourself and your partner with one hit apiece? Why or why not?

There's no way Masaki and Addy are mafia together at this point, so whichever one of you is a Cit please ream these retards a few new orifices for me if I get gassed tonight. With great vengeance and furious anger. And if I survive tonight, Mafia, I will lay my vengeance upon thee, those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers and sisters.

[Sherri]

DAY ONE - Final Vote Count

Abrams --> Abrams
Adelaide --> Abrams

Hannah --> Adelaide

Ralph --> Singe
Lloyd --> Singe
Zander --> Singe

Singe --> Lloyd

Kip --> Zander

Masaki --> Masaki

Day One, nobody was hurt...

Spies, select people who will collectively lose FOUR LIVES.
Night One Deadline: February 6, 8:00 CST
Send night choices via AIM.


IMPORTANT: Rule Changes and Triggered Events

• Not voting merits TWO VOTES for yourself instead of one.
  
• From this point on, Spies will not be limited in their kills. For instance, instead of selecting three different people, they may select one person to lose three lives or two people to lose one life and the other, two lives.
  
• Any Day Lynches not used will go to the Spies. Unity is important.
  
• From this point on, it will only take three votes to lynch somebody during the day.
  

Abrams will either be replaced or modkilled, depending if the replacement actually plays. Latest we will know will be start of Day Two.