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Post by Zander on Jan 4, 2008 19:07:17 GMT -5
Well Singe, to answer your question truthfully, in Spies 3 I pushed for inactives to be voted out first. In the first Exile, I voted for Carrie, one of the two people i had not talked to yet in the game (The other being Tyler). It turned out that Tyler racked up enough self-votes that if I had voted for him (I was torn between the two), he would have gone. Because there was a huge push for Jakub, someone I actually had talked to and trusted, it was futile. Jakub and I were the only Carrie voters that week, and Jakub turned up as a citizen.
In the 2nd week I changed my mind and still wanted Carrie gone, though she was slightly more active but still fluff-posting and not contributing at all. She was the Bandwagon Queen, as we called her. Despite mine and Jess' attempts to make Tyler more active, he self-voted out of the game in Week 2.
There was a Week 3 debacle where I followed Reicheru into voting out Judith since Rei. said she was 100% a spy, and taht was wrong. The following week I severely suspected Jennipher due to her lack of originality and bandwagoning and fluffing, I thought she was playing dumb and so I led the attack on her. I was wrong. In the 2nd exile that week, we finally went after Carrie, and were again, wrong. For basically the same reasons as Jennipher.
Finally my eyes turned to Miles, one of the few remaining Jakub voters at that point (Everyone we exiled besides Tyler had voted for Jakub)... He always laid low and nobody seemed to suspect him at all yet he never really contributed any thoughts to the burg, and then he finally made a roleclaim to me that I couldn't believe.... But I got imprisoned after Trina used her Do or Die so I couldn't exile him.
So yes, in Spies 3 every vote and move I made was for someone who was laying low, fluff-posting, or bandwagoning and not being original. Keep in mind in that game I was a citizen.
Now in Spies 4 as a spy I played a quite different game after the first couple of weeks. For Weeks 1 and 2 I tried to vote for somebody that I hadn't talked to and seemed to be laying low (I didn't talk to Martha until the night she was exiled and thought it would be perfect to use the evidence I had against her so I changed from Kiyoshi to Martha with 10 minutes to go), and Week 2 I hugely suspected Grace and Emma (legitimately).
After that my whole strategy was to try and separate my vote from the other Orthos, without really caring who I suspected. I was going to latch onto someone and basically constantly vote for them (At that point it was Masaki), but then with the 3 spies going in a row, the target became Naomi, then Masaki. Both were traditionalists.
So, basically, as a citizen yes, I always searched for the fluffers and low-layers, and as a spy my strategy was more aimed at keeping on people's goodsides. I basically became what I hunted as a citizen - someone not really putting their own thoughts out there.
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Post by Singe on Jan 4, 2008 20:43:25 GMT -5
Your honor, I'd like the third paragraph of the defendant's above (#89)statement stricken from the record, as it's an appeal to emotion in complete disregard of the facts of this case.
As for your first question, Mr. Zander, no, it's not my job right now to analyze your posts. It's to bring witnesses before the court who may shed some light on the present situation.
Is there a reason, Mr. Zander, why you're averse to Ms. Martha analyzing your post history?
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Post by Zander on Jan 4, 2008 20:57:25 GMT -5
*TOO FORMAL GAH*
No, I'm not at all opposed to Martha analyzing my post history, but I figured since you're the one defending Kip you should be trying to analyze everything in front of you to make me look bad. I didn't know it was the judge's job to defend your client.
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Post by Singe on Jan 4, 2008 22:08:52 GMT -5
The judge has a vote on the jury. Clearly this isn't a typical trial. Your backtracking is noted.
Also, why should I try to make YOU look bad? I'm simply trying to get at the truth here.
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Post by Zander on Jan 4, 2008 22:14:37 GMT -5
Isn't the goal of a lawyer in a type of case like this (Which would really follow a civil suit) to make his client seem more innocent than the accused/accuser? And also if you get rid of me you get a bonus, and if you don't get rid of me, something bad happens to you.
I don't like that last statement of yours, Singe. Too fake.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 5, 2008 3:34:19 GMT -5
if singes is striking things from court record his whole case should be stricken....all he is going on is old games this is the present and needs to be accounted for! then i point out two main things.... 1) Zander said it both singe has given no good reason whatsoever given any defense or reasoning kip is not a spy 2) again where is kip in this mess.....why keep him if he is going to be no good in this game.....we lose the risk of getting rid of a potnentially great citizen
i vote i dont know how to bold it KIP (sorry addy)
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Post by Ralph on Jan 5, 2008 3:38:59 GMT -5
ps thakns for saying i made a good move guys im trying to live up from spies4 LMAO addy go ahead and tell everyone in this game i am MIRRORMAN!!!!
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Post by Singe on Jan 5, 2008 4:07:18 GMT -5
Isn't the goal of a lawyer in a type of case like this (Which would really follow a civil suit) to make his client seem more innocent than the accused/accuser? And also if you get rid of me you get a bonus, and if you don't get rid of me, something bad happens to you. I don't like that last statement of yours, Singe. Too fake: Also, why should I try to make YOU look bad? I'm simply trying to get at the truth here. So what you're saying, Zander, is that if only I would pursue you overzealously and with utter disregard for which of you and Kip is more suspect, THEN you'd find me legitimate. Disingenuous. Your honor, can you please have the bailiff drag Ms. Martha to the stand?
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Post by Sherri on Jan 5, 2008 6:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by Lise on Jan 5, 2008 10:44:14 GMT -5
Is the second defendant going to go, or no?
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Post by Zander on Jan 5, 2008 11:53:54 GMT -5
Isn't the goal of a lawyer in a type of case like this (Which would really follow a civil suit) to make his client seem more innocent than the accused/accuser? And also if you get rid of me you get a bonus, and if you don't get rid of me, something bad happens to you. I don't like that last statement of yours, Singe. Too fake: Also, why should I try to make YOU look bad? I'm simply trying to get at the truth here. So what you're saying, Zander, is that if only I would pursue you overzealously and with utter disregard for which of you and Kip is more suspect, THEN you'd find me legitimate. Disingenuous. Nah dude, what I'm saying is there's a big likelihood that you're a mafia and don't care which of us leaves cause it's not any skin off your back... You actually are pursuing me (though very mildly), and not finding anything to defend Kip with, which I do find interesting. But I just found your last statement very spyish... Something a spy would say to sound like a citizen ("I'm simply trying to get at the truth!" aka "I'm simply trying to catch spies!" aka "I'm only working my hardest jeez!"... Basically we saw all of these things from spies this game, and almost never saw them from citizens. Myself specifically.) And with Ralph's comment about the past, I don't mind him taking a look into how I played in Spies 3 cause that's exactly how I play when I'm a citizen and I didn't even notice the similarities in my playstyle from Spies 3 to this mini-game, so if anything I'm grateful that Singe has made me look like more of a citizen by referring to my typical citizen strategy of going after fluff-posters and UTR players.
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Post by Martha on Jan 5, 2008 14:24:01 GMT -5
And this is what I mean when I say that you have to analyse minituae...
At this point I'm still voting Kip. Singe, why do you want to drag me "to the stand"?
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Post by Singe on Jan 5, 2008 19:10:30 GMT -5
Martha, answer the questions please or I'll ask the judge to run you up for contempt.
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Post by Singe on Jan 5, 2008 19:10:57 GMT -5
Oh, wait.
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Post by Martha on Jan 6, 2008 1:44:15 GMT -5
Maybe I'm just being slow here but am I the only person who has no idea what Singe is talking about?
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Post by Zander on Jan 6, 2008 1:51:56 GMT -5
He's trying to be funny about how the judge should hold you in contempt for not doing what he asked you to do, but since you're the judge you obviously won't hold yourself in contempt. Only it's not really funny and I only keep suspecting him more by his half-hearted efforts and (SURPRISE) fluff posts!
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 6, 2008 10:26:37 GMT -5
Voting closing very soon I have to count the votes and start using pictures in this thread so the results won't be up for another 2 or 3 hours, still time to debate and change votes!
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Post by Singe on Jan 6, 2008 12:00:44 GMT -5
OK, so the goal here was not to prove whether Kip or Zander deserved to stay more, it's obvious Zander does because Kip's not even playing.
The goal was to see how various people reacted to questioning. For example, Martha preferred that the focus stayed on Zander and Kip, and refused to answer questions twice. Ask yourself whether a citizen would behave in that manner or not.
Zander's behavior is somewhat more cittish than Martha's, primarily because he was encouraging me to attack HIM instead of Martha.
Do any of you think there's actually sufficient evidence either way about Kip? He made three useless posts and disappeared. He's this game's Kiyoshi, and several of you were pretty confident Kiyoshi was a Cit last game. So given the choice between Zander and Kip, I'd think that you guys would VOTE Kip but be VERY interested in other people's opinions as well, knowing there's a significant chance Kip's a crappy Cit this game.
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Post by Zander on Jan 6, 2008 13:53:38 GMT -5
Yeah I'm guessing Kip probably wasn't a spy (like I had thought), but I'm not going to complain about being kept around when I know I'll be more helpful. In hopes that nothing drastic changes before Addy posts the results, thank you for keeping me around you guys, and congratulations and thanks to Ralph
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 6, 2008 14:55:28 GMT -5
[glow=yellow,2,300]DUSK[/glow]The votes are in. Kip - 4 Votes. By Martha, Ralph, Sam and Zander. Zander - 0 Votes. "KIP IS TO BE HANGED!" screamed Martha before heading off to a top secret location called the Judge's Lair. Kip was hanged.... KIP WAS INNOCENT! Gone:Lloyd QUIT DAY 2, REPLACED BY RAPLH - DAY 3 Kip HANGED - INNOCENT - DAY 4 IT IS NOW NIGHT TIME! Martha cannot be imprisoned. The Guilty or Spies must email me their choice with an optional AIM conversation transcript to soapsurvivor@gmail.com DO NOT PM ME because Sam has the ability to see PMs. Singe and Ralph, as lawyers you must email me or leave your email address here in this thread so that I can email you your punishment (Singe) and prize (for Ralph). That is all!
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Post by Adelaide on Jan 6, 2008 14:55:59 GMT -5
As it is NIGHT TIME, you may still discuss the game as the players make choices/receive prizes etc.
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Post by Martha on Jan 6, 2008 15:24:29 GMT -5
The goal was to see how various people reacted to questioning. For example, Martha preferred that the focus stayed on Zander and Kip, and refused to answer questions twice. Ask yourself whether a citizen would behave in that manner or not. Zander's behavior is somewhat more cittish than Martha's, primarily because he was encouraging me to attack HIM instead of Martha. 1) Dude, YOU NEVER ASKED ME ANYTHING EXCEPT THIS: "Martha, please analyze Zander's posts, all of them, in exquisite detail. Then please explain why you found him one of your top three candidates for Spy, but changed your mind after Ralph's one paragraph defense." I EXPLAINED THAT BEFORE YOU EVEN POSTED THE QUESTION, AND THEN ANSWERED IT AGAIN AFTERWARDS. I'm the ONLY person who's been 100% frank about who they suspect and why. WHAT - THE - FUCK??!!! *takes chill pill, then continues...* 2) How is Zander's encouraging you to attack him instead of me suggestive that he's a citizen OR a spy? That's as stupid as everybody voting Ralph off because of his role claim. It means nothing. Anybody, citizen or spy, might do what Zander has done. 3) I switched to Kip because I couldn't decide between him, Sam and Damon. If Zander was mafia, it seemed more likely that he'd be partnered (for reasons already given) with Kip than either of the other two. Since Zander was my top suspect (for reasons also already given) I thought I might as well go for two.
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Post by Singe on Jan 6, 2008 17:02:04 GMT -5
1) Dude, YOU NEVER ASKED ME ANYTHING EXCEPT THIS: "Martha, please analyze Zander's posts, all of them, in exquisite detail. Then please explain why you found him one of your top three candidates for Spy, but changed your mind after Ralph's one paragraph defense." I EXPLAINED THAT BEFORE YOU EVEN POSTED THE QUESTION, AND THEN ANSWERED IT AGAIN AFTERWARDS. Please point that recent answer out, then, Martha, because your posts since my question look like total avoidance to me and I see no attempt to address my questions whatsoever. And your "answer" before my question, "Ralph's defense was great" is unsatisfactory. Basically, you need to answer these questions honestly or look significantly suspect for avoiding them.
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Post by Zander on Jan 6, 2008 18:15:05 GMT -5
lmao.
Okay first off MarthaMan, you never answered Singeyboy's questions after he asked them. You fluff-avoided them. Then Singe fluff-retaliated and we had a nice little fluff-fest where the only one actually saying anything relevant were myself and Ralph.
And you're not the only one who's been 100% straightforward about your suspects you *#%*(#&$(#*$@*$&(#*&$(*#&$(*@$, I HAVE BEEN AS WELL. Get over yourself and stop just reading what you want to read.
I also don't remember seeing why I'd be most likely partnered with Kip than any of the other two if I were a spy, I think I just recall you randomly nominating Kip last second. But I'll go back and reread that anyway.
If we're really going to complain about people not answering things MarthaMan, I'M the only one who's been 100% straightforward on every question brought up, and several other people (Like Ralph and Singe) have answered everything that's been asked of them. A bunch of other people haven't really said diddly cause, well, nobody has asked them to.
I certainly hope a judge can't be elected two days in a row cause if you are, we're all screwed. The way you're talking basically sounds like you are going to eternally nominate me since you can't seem to analyze anything one way or another. Shouldn't we have someone leading us that doesn't emphasize a situation of neutrality and is less fickle in their nominations? I'm not really a big fan of voicing my opinion and then being nominated and having the people I suspect fully overlooked WITHOUT (hah, go figure) ANY explanation as to why. For most of those people the only relevant thing you said was "I can't nominate them cause I gave them a cookie 4 weeks ago and they liked it so I want my cookie back cause maybe it will taste good"... AKA irrelevant.
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Post by Singe on Jan 6, 2008 19:26:05 GMT -5
So Zander and I seem to agree Martha is avoiding addressing her odd vote-swing.
Anyone else care to weigh in on Martha?
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Post by Martha on Jan 6, 2008 20:14:53 GMT -5
OK... I'm going to go through this point by point.
Let's start with me answering SInge's question - now that he's finally got around to confirming what it is - again.
Ralph made the point that Zander, IF he's a citizen, would be a more helpful one than Kip. Everybody and his dog has made the point that there's practically no evidence right now (or there wasn't until the vote - although half the people didn't even take part in this.) Ralph pointed this out and said Zander would be a more helpful CITIZEN, Sam made his vote for Kip on those grounds, and I agreed with him. ALL OF THIS IS PUBLICLY POSTED AND ON RECORD.
What part of that hasn't been crystal clear for the last two days? And aren't my posts long-winded enough without me having to repeat myself over and over again? It seems to me that Singe has been making a huge deal of the fact that I've not been answering his "questions" without actually specifying what they were. Which is both irrational and suspicious.
On the Zander / Kip vote:
I would point out that of the four people who actually voted, Sam and I are the only ones without an "agenda" in gameplay terms: Ralph is Zander's lawyer and Zander will obviously vote for his only competition. What happened to the others? Kip, Sherri, Lise, Singe? I can kind of understand Singe not voting Zander if he didn't believe he was a spy, but that hardly looks to be the case here.
And since I can't be imprisoned this round anyway, let's look at a few possibilities for that one.
1) One mafia voted Kip, one didn't. That's the obvious one. If this is the case then it says nothing about what Zander is, although if he's a mafia then myself, Sam and Ralph obviously are not. If he isn't, there are nine possibilities (since Kip is out) - Sam, myself or Ralph along with Singe, Sherri or Lise. Everybody bar Zander could narrow that down to six, since each of them bar the mafia knows that they aren't chavscum.
2) Zander is mafia, the other mafia wanted to keep him in the game and voted with him. This seems unlikely because it would mean that Sam, myself or Ralph is the other mafia. Ralph seems genuine, I know I'm not (and there'd be no need to put my partner in jeopardy by nominating him this early on if I was) and Sam was quick to jump on the Kip bandwagon. Personally I think Zander and Sam is more likely than Zander and Ralph, but who can say.
3) Zander is a civ, and the mafia wanted to make it look like someone was defending him. In which case we have a wide open field. Sam is an obvious possibility, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it looks a bit too obvious. I think Sam would avoid making the mistakes he's accused the Spies of Spies 4 of making...
Conclusion - at this point the mafia's likely actions depend completely on whether or not Zander is one of them. If he's not, I'd incline to the view that they'd deliberately not vote together, which means that Sherri, Lise or Singe is mafia along with Sam or Ralph.
Who should be the judge? - I don't know. It's got to be somebody fairly active, but I doubt there are two inactive mafia. The only active person I have no suspicions of is myself, and I was the judge last time around. I'm scared stiff of giving the position to a mafia...
Oh, and to answer Zander's last question (as to why I didn't take his suggestion) - obviously, since you were my #1 suspect when I made my choices, it was that much less likely that the two people (Sherri and Sam) you'd named as your suspects actually were mafia. Certainly Sam who'd drawn a bit of attention, less so Sherri (who really wasn't in any danger anyway - see Bev.) Since I was going to nominate you anyway, I wanted a second person who looked to be a likely partner for you. At the time Kip fitted the bill better than most.
Or, to put it another way, it would have been downright daft to nom two people who I thought probably weren't mafia together. It would mean I'd have a maximum of one mafia nommed, and quite probably none at all.
A lot of people CLAIM to have been 100% straightforward. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Even with the limited information that you have, Zander, I can't believe that you don't have more than some nebulous suspicions of Sherri and Sam. The same goes for everybody else. Given that you don't have to survive to win, I don't see why citizens are hiding their thoughts, but I'm certain that they are. I guess it's the Spies instincts coming out. In my case it's different because - I guess - I'm immune from imprisonment this round, and therefore have that much more impetus to put all of my thoughts out there. That changes your perspective a lot.
And Zander, I asked EVERYONE to post their thoughts. Not everybody's been as forthcoming as you and Singe these past couple of days! The only time I EVER held anything back was when I didn't name my first suspect because I wanted other people's unbiased views. I said so, and named him later on anyway once I had a few of 'em. There's no ambiguity and no "fluff"; and if you say there is, you've either not read my posts properly, or you're mafia.
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Post by Zander on Jan 6, 2008 20:22:08 GMT -5
"And this is what I mean when I say that you have to analyse minituae...
At this point I'm still voting Kip. Singe, why do you want to drag me "to the stand"?"
"Maybe I'm just being slow here but am I the only person who has no idea what Singe is talking about?"
- Martha.
Those are fluff, and if you don't think so then... Well, I don't know how. They really have nothing to do with the game.
Beyond that Martha, I'm still not sure I even buy your initial suspicion on me and beyond that, I have been straightforward in the very least with ANSWERING everything. I even went back for Singe and analyzed how I played Spies 3 and Spies 4 and YOU of all people should be able to see the similarities between how I played Spies 3 and how I started playing this game (In other words, hunting for lurkers/inactives). Unless I fully planned out to play that way as a mafia, which I didn't, for you in the least it should check out as me being a citizen.
Unless you're a scum, which, quite frankly, I think you are.
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Post by Martha on Jan 6, 2008 21:44:13 GMT -5
I DID say you have to analyze minituae, I DIDN'T know what Singe was on about, and I've contributed about a hundredth as much fluff as you have in the last ten or so posts that you've made.
Zander, you're making me more and more certain that you're scum. IF you were a genuine citizen, you'd know for certain now that I'd put two citizens up for elimination last round. To anybody who believed you were a citizen, this would be pretty damning evidence, no? AND YET YOU'VE NEVER POINTED THIS OUT. NOT ONCE. I don't think it ever occurred to you to do so because you're not thinking like a citizen. You're not thinking "I'm innocent and so was Kip, so that means Martha put up two innocent people for exile. That's suspicious." It never even occured to you to say something like that because you're NOT innocent. If you were, I think you would have pointed it out. Hell, given how suspicious of me you claim to be, I think you would have yelled it from the rooftops.
I'm not buying your act, any of it. I didn't buy your suspicions when you wrote them, not that there's much there to buy. I don't buy that you're trying to be helpful because I just don't see how you have been. I've been analyzing everybody's reactions from day one and I've posted the whole damn lot. Aside from the Sherri / Sam thing I haven't seen anything like that from you. You haven't tried to analyze votes. You haven't tried to find the spies. You've been too busy justifying yourself. Well, fair dos in the first round when you were up for elimination, but it's two days later and I STILL haven't seen anything from you that could constructively help us to find the spies other than weak, unjustified, nonsensical suspicions of me.
You sound like a cross between Faizah and Angie. Well I had them pegged from very, very early on, and I think I've got you pegged now. You're mafia.
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Post by Zander on Jan 6, 2008 22:52:29 GMT -5
I DID say you have to analyze minituae, I DIDN'T know what Singe was on about, Okay and regardless neither of those things answers anything that was brought up to you and neither one needed to be said and was just filler. Am I wrong here? Don't really think so. Completely false, and all I need to do to prove it is just point at everything I've typed. Everything is an answer to the questions I've been asked, everything is relevant to the game and in no way is fluff or even avoiding anything. I've been fully straightforward and the funniest part is I already see you grabbing at straws, MarthaMan. Exactly how I would expect someone to react after me saying I suspect them. Especially if you're a mafia. Of course you'll try to defend your initial (and completely nonsensical, random, and unsupported) suspicion of me when I call you out. Classic tactic. And I do and I said it before Kip was even revealed as a citizen. You're selectively reading again. YOU'RE the one that put up two citizens, why are you trying to damn me now? Pretty damning evidence on whom? Me? For not saying anything about Kip turning up Innocent? I've already said before I thought you nominated two citizens, I didn't know I had to run around reiterating my points all the time. Again, for about the third time in this statement, I've already said on how I felt about Kip being innocent. Him turning up innocent shouldn't prompt me to be ridiculous about my former thoughts, that's not how I play and you know it's not. You're right but I'm not obnoxious like you David, that's the difference in our playstyles. But I guess that's irrelevant to this game, huh? Oh, wait, we already brought up Spies 3 before and it basically proved that I'm playing the same citizen agenda I did then. Which is funny since it's not an act and you'll eventually have to see that whether you kill me or tonight or I eventualyl get exiled. And when that happens I'll laugh my way to the funny farm seeing you follow suit. Well I didn't have much time to say anything, did I? And yet you're more critical of me than anyone else for some completely odd reason. I have thrown myself out there, which is exactly what a mafia would want. I've been completely vocal, and I've given up my opinions cause I don't have a hidden agenda. And immediately after I did that I got thrown onto the chopping block, so no, I didn't have much time to focus on other people, did I? Don't blame me for you nominating me and me having to answer questions and prove my innocence. WHAT VOTES? ARE YOU INSANE? The 4 votes that just happened? What is there to analyze, Kip was useless and I didn't want to leave so I voted for him. Ralph thought I was innocent or at least wanted to win prizes, so he voted for Kip. When there are 4 votes, including yours and Sam and I ALREADY said I was suspicious about the two of you and there wasn't much backing to either of those votes to analyze, WHAT DO YOU WANT? Should I analyze every no vote? Right cause when you asked for suspicions and I said them you overlooked it. Then I spent a while grilling Singe but I guess you overlooked that too. Cause clearly by me actually posting my opinion I'm being the least helpful player here. You are seriously so full of it sometimes dude. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT WHEN I'M SUPPOSED TO DEFEND AND JUSTIFY MYSELF TO SAVE MYSELF CAUSE YOU NOMINATE ME AND WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO GO ON IN THE FIRST WEEK. I seriously want to smack you with something heavy right now. Of course you would find my suspicion of you to be that, because deconstructing my argument as early as possible prevents you from leaving for even longer. I actually think that I've done enough to not only clear myself (though clearly you can't even see that), but to point out at least 3 very strong spy suspects and 2 very possible spy pairs, just from posting I've seen. Singe & Sherri or You & Singe are my biggest ideas right now, in case you couldn't get that one. Please David, you never had me properly pegged while you were still in Spies 4 and you don't have me properly pegged now. If you're trying to make up for that, then you're doing a mediocre job. You're panicking and embellishing so many things, and overlooking clear facts like how I had to answer questions asked to me and explain MYSELF rather than hunt for spies while you failed to do the exact same thing but failed to answer any questions. It's Day 1 and you're expecting the world from me, and the only reason I can imagine why is because you're trying to set me up as the perfect frame.
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Post by Ralph on Jan 7, 2008 0:15:18 GMT -5
wow.....my email actr1@sbcglobal.net
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