Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Post by Kip on Feb 3, 2008 4:29:53 GMT -5
Oh no. Zander voted for my Spy partner, I must now change my vote. If I vote Zander though, he may get "suspicious" of me for something. Hrmm, let's see. I'll vote for Lloyd.
Oh wait, maybe that's what Zander wants. If I change my vote he'll think I'm trying to protect Adelaide. Ah fuck it, he's just a tool anyway.
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
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Post by Singe on Feb 3, 2008 5:58:03 GMT -5
Lloyd
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
Posts: 280
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 8:14:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's Lloyd, he said he wasn't able for the pressure of being a spy in my game so I don't think he is this game (no offense meant in any way just pointing a fact out!)
Also my PM is right, everybody has at least contributed something to the random vote discussion. Everyone except Abrams (who seems inactive so far) and Singe who just said "hai" and "Lloyd".
Since when does computer programme making, long burg posting and constant evaluating Singe say nothing? A biy spyish?
At the same time Singe in Spies 4 was very quiet while he observed behaviour.
Still my vote is for Singe.
And Zander I realise that my PM is scummy if you look at a possible me-Kip pairing, but as WIFOM as it sounds, would a spy do something like that on Day 1? (WIFOM I know)
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 8:15:03 GMT -5
I don't think it's Lloyd, he said he wasn't able for the pressure of being a spy in my game so I don't think he is this game (no offense meant in any way just pointing a fact out!)
To elaborate, he quit my game because of the presurres of being a spy which he couldn't handle at the time AFAIK. Correct me if Im wrong
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
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Post by Singe on Feb 3, 2008 8:25:59 GMT -5
vote: Addy
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 10:01:15 GMT -5
Now you're doing OMGUS. Why are you just one word posting Singe? I don't get it
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
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Post by Singe on Feb 3, 2008 10:18:19 GMT -5
It's not OMGUS. Your vote showed less than careful analysis of gamestate, and I therefore believe you're a strong candidate for mafia. I also duly note your protection of Lloyd, who I voted first. Why not let HIM answer my vote?
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Hannah
Hannah
The Carb Catcher
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Post by Hannah on Feb 3, 2008 10:51:27 GMT -5
It's not OMGUS. Your vote showed less than careful analysis of gamestate, and I therefore believe you're a strong candidate for mafia. I also duly note your protection of Lloyd, who I voted first. Why not let HIM answer my vote? Thats an interesting point, although i do relate a little to Addy, cos in spies 4 sometimes i would stand up for ppl i trusted, and was a citizen. But how can one trust anyone at this early stage of the game? so i'll agree, VOTE ADELAIDE
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Post by Masaki on Feb 3, 2008 11:13:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind lynching Adelaide for her mail to Zander alone, especially given the short deadline.
For now, I'll Vote : Abrams, because he hasn't said or done anything as far as I can tell.
Bad.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Feb 3, 2008 12:45:48 GMT -5
To address both Adelaide and Kip, I am only intrigued because the PM I was sent makes little sense.
"Keep faux-fighting" was the title of the PM. First off I was never faux-fighting. So I feel like she addressed it to the wrong person and in the title alone it sounds scummy.
Then she told me that once Abrams posts I should stop faux-fighting.
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Why is she telling me, if she is a citizen, what to do in regards to "trapping" and attacking another player that has been silent? It takes a lot of balls for her to 1. Tell me this in the first place and 2. Tell me this not knowing my alignment...
I just can't fathom a citizen sending something like that to me randomly. I feel like it was misguided and sent to someone else. Which is why my vote for Adelaide is one I find justified and sensible. The PM doesn't just seem scummy, it doesn't really make sense.
I love how personal Kip continues to get "Zander is a tool."... Last time I played a mafia game with someone and called them out on being a mafia quite early on, they spent the whole rest of the game trying to insult my intelligence...
I was right.
So your name-calling is only hurting you in the long run, Kip. Though the PM is what in my mind damns you right now... Who else did Adelaide want to send that to?
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Post by Kip on Feb 3, 2008 12:58:57 GMT -5
I don't actually thing you're a tool buddy. I'm just messing around. Think what you will, I can't defend myself against your suspicions right now, as nothing has happened, except that I received a hit by the Mafia. As did you. I can't reason that out yet, as it could very well be the Mafia just picked us because we were arguing, or your a Spy, and you're taking the risk of losing a life to maybe frame me? I don't know.
By the way, if I call you a tool, or idiot in the future, don't take it personal. If I wanted to name-call, I'd do it on AIM.
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 13:05:17 GMT -5
It was sent to Kip and Zander. From playing Facebook Mafia all last week (don't ask) I've come accustomed to this style of play where inane comments = mafia. And Singe is full of inane comments. I decided to hatch a plan to try catch Abrams and anyone else out (Singe obviously).
If this was a vote to eliminate you totally Singe I wouldn't be doing ANY of this. In fact this is a prime example of how lives affect a game, its lead me to doing things I wouldn't do otherwise because the simple premise of maybe eliminating a potential great citizen would stop me from plotting to catch spies and just lead me to posting inane comments.
And I'm serious about Lloyd. I don't "trust" him per se but I had a personal experience with him being revealed to be Mafia. In fact I sent him a mail saying he was citizen first (check other thread for proof) and then a mail saying he was Mafia. He said he wished he wasnt mafia!
Also my analysis of the gamestate or whatever you called it is alot better than "hai" and "Lloyd".
As they say on (dreadful but addictive) Facebook Mafia, "im cit nd i dont lie".
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 13:06:12 GMT -5
And I'm serious about Lloyd. I don't "trust" him per se but I had a personal experience with him being revealed to be Mafia. In fact I sent him a mail saying he was citizen first (check other thread for proof) and then a mail saying he was Mafia. He said he wished he wasnt mafia!
To elaborate, that happened in my game.
For sam: Using past games as I'm doing now totally sucks so never ever get rid of Aliases in Spies.
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Kip
Kip
The Spy Catcher ~ Prince Kip
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Post by Kip on Feb 3, 2008 13:25:54 GMT -5
This isn't Spies, or a past game in a series. Ross picked everyone from random, so basing it on that is crap. Anyone could be Mafia.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 3, 2008 13:48:15 GMT -5
My vote is going for LLOYD and here is the reasoning.
i aksed lloyd who told him to vote me and him pm response was
Sorry, but you're the only person I can't tell.
i responded why... he said
You'll see in the near future.
this raises lots of suspicion for me for several different reasons.
1)why would he be plainning future actions unless it is set to fram people..... cits normally dont plan thing for future this earl in the game........ 2)since when deos llod the most opinonated besides martha let someone else make up his mind 3) why is holding accusations against me we could use that as evidence later on....
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Post by Ralph on Feb 3, 2008 13:50:02 GMT -5
And I'm serious about Lloyd. I don't "trust" him per se but I had a personal experience with him being revealed to be Mafia. In fact I sent him a mail saying he was citizen first (check other thread for proof) and then a mail saying he was Mafia. He said he wished he wasnt mafia! To elaborate, that happened in my game. For sam: Using past games as I'm doing now totally sucks so never ever get rid of Aliases in Spies. i do not consider this evidence because lood caould ahve been busy with something in RL at that time that he is not incolved with now.............. i think addys covering for him is also very very suspicous
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 14:03:07 GMT -5
OMG do you all actually think I'd be that stupid as a mafia to send PMs and stick up for my Mafia buddies? What I'm saying is Lloyd QUIT last time he was Mafia and hasn't done so yet!! Cut me some slack people as you say in America.
As they say on facebook "go ahead vote for me, go ahead vote 4 a citizen".
If Singe can explain his uncharacteristic inane posting then I'll unvote him. Simple as. If he votes me back and says I'm balringly sticking up for Mafia buddies I'll suspect him more. Simple. As. That.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Feb 3, 2008 14:10:41 GMT -5
Okay here's the deal. That's a strategy Lloyd uses on DDRFreak all the time, and it's incredibly citizen-ish. No, you can't know what he's trying to accomplish because it loses the purpose if the mafia understand what is going on. We talked about this the other evening as well (And we both threatened to Night Kill each other first lmao!)
I highly doubt Lloyd is a mafia and this sudden bandwagon via unsupported reasoning is just odd. His plan has nothing but citizen written all over it. I certainly wouldn't put it past him to try and use that plan as a mafia, especially knowing I'm the only one playing that is used to it, but it really helps out the citizens in the long run.
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Adelaide
Adelaide
Heroin Addict Pink Elephant Catcher
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Post by Adelaide on Feb 3, 2008 14:27:22 GMT -5
Nobody take offense to the way I talk. Im such an overdefensive ass when I play mafia. we're all friends outside the game! I got no PM off Lloyd but it looks like Im not the only one with a plan.
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Post by Ralph on Feb 3, 2008 14:37:34 GMT -5
all these plans im getting confused lol!
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Lloyd
Lloyd
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Post by Lloyd on Feb 3, 2008 19:15:56 GMT -5
Sorry for being away for the whole day thus far. I was working on the last case in Phoenix Wright.
To address Adelaide's point about me quitting. I didn't quit because I was a spy last game, I quit because I was at my mother's place for the holidays and no internet plus an internet hog of a brother = limited activity.
As for the strategy about the vote for Ralph, I have done it once before (another time I pulled a similar strategy) and I decided to take it hear since it only works once in a specific playgroup.
Just like the other time I attempted this strategy, no one PMed me, as expected. Mafia wont risk it being a trap, and citz have nothing to gain. So I just randomly chose a name, and in my drunken stupor, that random name landed on Ralph. The most VITAL point to this strategy is the next phase.
I asked anyone who wants to know who the person (who asked me to vote Ralph) was to PM me to find out. You will always get a PM from the random target (Ralph). Mafia will NEVER message you asking as it just reeks of wolf trap. MOST citz won't bother it as it doesn't concern them, but you get the occasional batshit insane cit who will go to you (it happened last time I used the strategy). So this plan is basically a citizen trap.
Unfortunately, we don't have any citizens batshit enough to ask me who wanted Ralph gone.
However there is a third part to the plan. This part only works if my random target ends up being a mafia. In a game with mystery roles, the mafia will panic as to how I managed to nail a mafia, especially when I have claim non-existant behind the scenes info.
In this panic, the mafia will attempt to off me ASAP. For that reason, it would make the mafia jump at the chance to get me exiled. So basically, the only conclusion I have drawn from this is that If Ralph is a mafia, the other is likely one of the people who voted for me.
I know that this is not solid evidence at all as it only points towards a mafia combo and not even a single mafia, but I felt it was more useful than getting in a pointless argument, or throwing my vote around randomly.
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Sherri
Sherri
MILF (also featured on Girls Gone Wild 1986!)
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Post by Sherri on Feb 3, 2008 20:42:45 GMT -5
Current Vote Tally (if yours is not here, you forgot to bold your vote)
Abrams --> Abrams Adelaide --> Singe Lloyd --> Ralph Ralph --> Lloyd Kip --> Lloyd Masaki --> Abrams Hannah --> Adelaide Singe --> Adelaide Zander --> Adelaide
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Lloyd
Lloyd
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Post by Lloyd on Feb 3, 2008 21:20:20 GMT -5
I think I'm gonna venture against the tide here and side with Adelaide to vote for Singe.
My reason?
Looking at the people who got hurt in the explosion, 2 of them are voting for Adelaide. My theory is that the mafia would want to hurt 1 of their own in the explosion. If they hurt all citz and we come to the conclusion that we should trust the three, they are screwed. If they hurt two, they are sinking 33% of their lives into something that we may not even analayze. I think 1 would be the safest best.
Since 2/3 of those three are voting Adelaide, she seems most trustworthy to me ATM (barring maf-on-maf violence).
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Singe
Singe
Roadkill
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Post by Singe on Feb 3, 2008 21:28:45 GMT -5
If Singe can explain his uncharacteristic inane posting then I'll unvote him. Simple as. Addy, I've contributed significant analysis in this game, it just so happens that you don't like my conclusions. Which I can understand whether or not you're mafia. What you have to decide if you're a Cit is whether or not my REASONING is sound. Oddly, you're not doing that. Which is probably why you have three votes on you.
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Zander
Zander
The MISTAKI Catcher
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Post by Zander on Feb 3, 2008 22:37:24 GMT -5
Ross's post CLEARLY states that the game started during night and the Spies chose who to attack. So any reasoning regarding people voting for Adelaide and then being attacked by the spies after that are moot - this decision to take hits on Singe, Kip, and myself was done far before any talk began.
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Masaki
Masaki
One Sexy Spy
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Post by Masaki on Feb 4, 2008 0:20:44 GMT -5
im here at midnight on aim youre not on survivor quinn sherri? Noted Ralph. ... All night actions must be sent over AIM.(Game started at night. Spies were asked to select three different people to lose one life each. They may select themselves. ........ Mildly suspicious of Singe because of his vote tossing. The main thing about Adelaide is that PM. First, why did she send it to Zander and not to Kip? Second, why did she want to hang back and let the embers burn "until Abrams posts?" Lloyd's "trap" is not necessarily a bad one in my eyes, therefore I am not suspicious of him for his supposed allowance of others to direct his vote. His WIFOM vote on Singe raises a slight red flag. Vote : Adelaide
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Post by Ralph on Feb 4, 2008 0:59:54 GMT -5
i understand lloyds trap now but not sure who to change m vote to just yet why did abrams vote himself? ?
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Sherri
Sherri
MILF (also featured on Girls Gone Wild 1986!)
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Post by Sherri on Feb 4, 2008 1:05:20 GMT -5
Abrams has not posted a vote (or even any game related material for the matter). If you don't vote, that is one vote against yourself. (I should've made it bigger though.)
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Lloyd
Lloyd
FREEZE! Drama poilce
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Post by Lloyd on Feb 4, 2008 7:31:54 GMT -5
Sorry, I didn't notice the mafia got 3 targets each night. Now I understand why there are 2 mafia instead of 3.
Regardless of when it was done and what it is, I still think the mafia would target one of themselves. It's not that these people were targetted because of their votes, I am just looking at the votes who came from those people.
You can cry WIFOM till the cows come home but its only logical for the mafia to target one of themselves. Since I believe this, I also believe that there is a 2/3 chance that Adelaide is being voted by a mafia, meaning that I don't plan on voting for her.
Now let me present a case against Singe, since I see more and more that he is more likely to be a mafia.
1) He was hurt during the night. blah blah blah WIFOM blah blah blah, lets not discuss anything instead
2) He voted for me in what could have been an attempt to take out a potential cop role (as explained when I explained my mafia trap.
3) He has already been hurt. I guarantee you that the mafia will try to bring down everyone's life at the same rate. People dying means people getting cardflipped means knowing if we are going down the right track. Why not combat this strategy by taking out people during the day. For example, if Singe is a mafia, I am 99% sure that Ralph is the other maf. But if Singe never gets killed (or does later in the game) we won't receive that vital info until later
I rest my case on Singe and hope that others agree with me, because if we dont get some cardflippage, we will be throwing away lives that could be put to use more effectively later on in the game.
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Singe
Singe
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Post by Singe on Feb 4, 2008 8:31:28 GMT -5
Couple things:
1) It smells to me like Lloyd and his partner (or Addy and her partner) decided to make a push to get me out early this game. Go back and read the post history and tell me if:
a) Adelaide's attack on me is proportionate? I made one post confirming that I was in the game at 4am Friday ("hai") and one post at 4am on Saturday voting Lloyd with no explanation. In between those two posts of mine I was hit by the Mafia. Read the post history--it looks like Adelaide's press on me is contrived. I don't think her actions can in any way be responsibly derived from the game situation, and I also believe her vote is either intent to put me out or reckless, as a second ding on me will allow the mafia to finish me off tonight.
b) Is Lloyd's "case" on me the product of sound reasoning or an attempt to get my scumhunting ass out of the game ASAP? I am the only person who the Mafia hit who is currently being voted for. They want me out ASAP--days are short, they thought they could pull a fast one. Which of Addy's/Lloyd's votes looks more suspect?
facts: * Lloyd parrots Adelaide's claim that I've posted nothing of substance, when actually I posted a relevant attack on Addy, which he entirely ignores. * Lloyd and Addy are the center of some PMing nonsense which appears designed to make Lloyd look more Cittish. * Lloyd's hinting at copness in an attempt to intimidate myself and others from voting him. * Lloyd says that I'm MORE likely to be mafia because I got clipped last night. Welcome to Fantasyland.
And here's a bigger one:
* Lloyd wants me cardflipped. I won't rant about scumhunting ability, but I will suggest that his play is either reckless or VERY suspicious.
And the really interesting clincher: * Masaki just lynched Addy with a pretty hasty 4th vote, and it looks like Lloyd didn't attack Masaki for it. Something doesn't smell right here. At all. And the stench is coming from at least one of Lloyd/Masaki/Addy.
vote: Lloyd
And Masaki, what's with the quicklynch?
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